eBay chatboard archive: Dec-03-07 to Dec-09-07 week

Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-09-07 at 20:44:47 PST   Listings
Buddah threadies:

Okay, but let's make sure all our third i's are dotted before we go and Buy Buddah Now.

I think I'm going to email ebay and ask for the credit card with the 21 mil spending limit before they can pull the offer.

Manhattan Katrina

Posted by jaywild   ( 1029 ) on Dec-09-07 at 19:46:34 PST   Listings
What remains unexplained is how Boo-Boo will give the store over to the buyer yet still retain control over where its income is distributed.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1029 ) on Dec-09-07 at 19:33:46 PST   Listings
io—wrd3—manhattan… You didn’t read the whole lot description. You not only get the Buddha but:
Boo Boo's Bargain Shop is included with the sale of this sacred Buddha. I shall remain the CEO and will contribute 10% of all net earnings to the Buyers favorite charity. A workshop for the developmentally disabled shall be employed. This hand carved Buddha will be hand delivered to the Buyer.
So you get the whole store as part of the deal, and Koo Koo (er—I mean Boo Boo) will hand-deliver the Buddha to you personally. The $888.88 will cover her airfare etc. to your doorstep. She’ll be there next time they have “field trip day” at the funny farm.



Jim
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Dec-09-07 at 19:07:44 PST   Listings
manhattanconcepts if you do decide to bid on the Buddah, I suggest you try to find something else from the same seller ... you can save up to $2.00 on shipping when you buy another item from the same seller. That will take some of the sting out of $888.88 shipping costs.

I assume the seller somehow entered the wrong value ...... in a quick check through his other auctions I didn't see anything that out of line.

Bill D.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-09-07 at 19:02:34 PST   Listings
manhattan

I wouldn't bet on it when the seller can't spell view.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3644 ) on Dec-09-07 at 18:44:09 PST   Listings
Brermomo,

John Denune's Christmas Seal site

John is the King of the Christmas Seal.

Matt in Arizona

Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-09-07 at 18:42:17 PST   Listings
breffington,

It is tempting to buy the Buddah, especially if one uses the ebay mastercard to get the 25 dollars back. The price drops to $20,888,863.00.

Hey wait, does this mean we can charge up to 21 million on an ebay credit card??? The listing says we can charge it.

K
Posted by jaywild   ( 1029 ) on Dec-09-07 at 18:26:33 PST   Listings
Milenko… Correction—the surface letter rate applies to at least 5 oz but less than 6 oz.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1029 ) on Dec-09-07 at 18:21:06 PST   Listings
Milenko… Regarding the $5 solo, it seems to have been sent surface rate, since there are no markings on the cover such as AIR MAIL or PRINTED MATTER. If it weighed 6 oz or over but less than 7, the rate would have been $4.97—first oz 37¢, each add’l 20¢, registration $3.60.

PRINTED MATTER would have been an exact rate. 8 but less than 10 oz $1.40, registration $3.60, total $5. The problem is that there is no notation on the cover stating printed matter, although apparently it is not required by law. I have items that went printed matter overseas with no notation on them whatever.

AIRMAIL rates don’t even come close.

I know someone who collects Americana issues on cover. He might be interested in this item.

Jim
Posted by breffington   ( 387 ) on Dec-09-07 at 18:09:53 PST   Listings
Hi, guys, How about a change of collecting focus and maybe acquire a buddha for serenity purposes. I looked at this one but thought the price was just too cheap. See what you think:250196044454? Frank
Posted by afeht   ( 1194 ) on Dec-09-07 at 15:46:06 PST   Listings
infla-alec,

English spelling of the addressee's last name, I think, is "Heath," but this kind of name poses problems for Russians, it doesn't fit Russian phonetic usage, so they transliterated his name as "Get" (Russians tend to replace "h" sound with "g", making "Gerz" out of "Herz," etc.).

The original address was Anitchkov Palace in St. Petersburg -- very, very uppety place to live!
Posted by brermomo   ( 23 ) on Dec-09-07 at 15:37:10 PST   Listings
I would like to have pictures of all the US Christmas Stamps as far back as possible. I know the US Postal Service has nice sites with photos from the last few years, but I'd like to find them further back.

I stumbled onto a site a few months ago that had all the love stamps, but I can't remember where I found it.

Does anyone here know of an online site where I could see a good collection of Christmas stamps? Thanks!
Posted by afeht   ( 1194 ) on Dec-09-07 at 15:37:08 PST   Listings
knuden, malolo, it suffices to check "worldwide" field in the search options on the left side of the search results page, and search again, or to do Advance Search with "Wroldwide" option chosen. Then the search will encompass all eBay sites, Switzerland, UK, France, and Deutschland included.
Posted by afeht   ( 1194 ) on Dec-09-07 at 15:32:46 PST   Listings
infla-alec,

Red writing on your GB-Russia cover is "to Peterhof." Peterhof (Petrodvorets) is a suburban complex of parks and palaces, founded by Peter the Great, with a nearby town of the same name, just south of St. Petersburg, on the shore of the Gulf of Finland.

Backside postmarks:
Top right and bottom right: St. Petersburg 7, 24 June 1885 (Gregorian calendar)
Top left (as far as I can read it): Peterhof Office [Petergofskaya Kontora] of St. Petersburg Province [S. P. Gub.], 24 June 1885 (Gregorian calendar)
Bottom left: TRAIN 3

Label front:
"Mr. Get [Heth, Hett?] has left for Peterhof town, to Kamenniye Kavaleriyskiye Domiki ["Stone Cavalry Cottages"] No. 5 - Receipt signed by Sokolov, June 22"

Label back:
"Second receipt according to the first. Receipt signed by [signature illegible], 22 June"
[There is a second illegible signature vertically]
Postmark: St. Petersburg 4, 22 June 1985 (Gregorian calendar)

Posted by dbenson   ( 8758 ) on Dec-09-07 at 14:52:38 PST   Listings
Roger, it is not Ebay's fault, it is his fault in listing incorrectly.

David B.
Posted by malolo   ( 870 ) on Dec-09-07 at 14:48:15 PST   Listings
Thanks everyone. I have emailed him and suggested he change to world-wide selling. One of eBay's dirty little default secrets!

Roger
Posted by dbenson   ( 8758 ) on Dec-09-07 at 14:31:49 PST   Listings
Roger, his current items are listed for sale to Switzerland only. You should contact him and tell him (pun intended) change to worldwide for his philatelic items. He listed some other material and most probably forgot to change the local delivery only,

David B.
Posted by lloydstamps   ( 600 ) on Dec-09-07 at 14:30:16 PST   Listings
AFDCS Chooses Northern Virginia For Americover 2008 Convention


http://www.dragoncards.biz/art/AFDCS4.gif" ALIGN="RIGHT">Tucson, Dec. 10, 2007 — Fresh off the success of its 2007 edition, the American First Day Cover Society, the world's oldest and largest non-profit organization for FDC collectors, has chosen Falls Church, Va., just outside Washington, DC, for its Americover 2007 show and convention.



The three-day World Series of Philately show will be held August 22-24 at the Fairview Park Marriott Hotel, and will feature a large mostly-FDC bourse, cachetmakers bourse, top exhibits, a banquet, meetings, seminars, youth booth, pre-show area tour and post-show dinner event. A first day of issue ceremony and a forum by postal officials involved with first day covers is also likely.



Americover is one of three WSP shows that move to different locations around the country each year. (The other two are the American Philatelic Society's Stampshow and the American Topical Association's National Topical Stamp Show.) The Washington DC area is home to one of the AFDCS' most-active chapters, but collectors from all over the country attend Americover annually, no matter where it is held. The Robert C. Graebner Chapter #17 will host the show's hospitality suite.



The special Americover room rate at the Fairview Park Marriott is $104.



The American First Day Cover Society, with more than 2300 members worldwide, was founded in 1955. It is an affiliate of the APS, and itself has more than 48 chapters in the U.S. and Australia. Besides its annual convention, the AFDCS publishes handbooks, produces first day covers, holds several auctions each year, and publishes the award-winning journal First Days eight times a year.



For more information on Americover 2008 and the AFDCS, contact the AFDCS at P.O. Box 16277, Tucson, Arizona 85732-6277, or showinfo@afdcs.org.
Posted by knuden   ( 2399 ) on Dec-09-07 at 14:29:09 PST   Listings
Malolo - Aloha Roger.
Look here.
As it's a seller from Switzerland, you have to go to eBay Switzerland to find your seller. I have the same problem with some of my German sellers. They don't show up at eBay.com but if I go to eBay.de, then I find them. :O)

K.E  I'm a catalog king, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!


Posted by dbenson   ( 8758 ) on Dec-09-07 at 14:28:54 PST   Listings
roger, strangely when I check for current items it draws a blank but when searching for completed then completed and current items show,

David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-09-07 at 14:28:11 PST   Listings
Roger

I get 117 auctions for him.

Maybe Mac is at fault?
Posted by dbenson   ( 8758 ) on Dec-09-07 at 14:27:00 PST   Listings
roger,

his items show up here OK

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=kurtangelo&sort=3&page=2&rows=50&since=30&rdir=0

David B.
Posted by malolo   ( 870 ) on Dec-09-07 at 14:17:22 PST   Listings
Aloha -
This is a problem I'm having with search.
I recently bought from a seller in Switzerland. No problems, and I'm interested in viewing his future auctions on a continuing basis. Here is the strange part - I see four auctions at the top of the auction page that is finished and they are his auctions, BUT if I click on "Seller's other auctions" link, nothing appears. If I use Advanced Search I can find nothing for this seller. I originally found this seller's auction in my generic Swiss search, but no longer can I find items for sale by him. The name of the seller is - kurtangelo. This is neither a recommendtion, nor a sales pitch, but I don't see how I can get help solving the problem if I don't post the seller's ID.

Thanks for any findings.

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels
Posted by lluehhhb   ( 323 ) on Dec-09-07 at 14:00:38 PST   Listings
Bjorn Thank you for the information.

Jaywild (or someone else)
I found two covers with the $5 stamp from the USA Americana series, and one is a solo usage. Could you check if the rates are OK? thanks!

Solo usage
Mixed usage
Posted by malolo   ( 870 ) on Dec-09-07 at 13:30:24 PST   Listings
Jim -
Time to bite on an Apple. )'>)
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1446 ) on Dec-09-07 at 12:42:31 PST   Listings
Home computer's down, will have to see lcal expert tomorrow. Windows XP won't start.
Posted by malolo   ( 870 ) on Dec-09-07 at 12:15:18 PST   Listings
Swiss emboidered blocks -
http://cgi.ebay.com/Schweiz-Stickerei-Klbg-2000-tadellos-postfrisch_W0QQitemZ370004099534
http://cgi.ebay.com/Schweiz-Stickerei-Klbg-2000-tadellos-gestempelt_W0QQitemZ370004099492
http://cgi.ebay.com/Schweiz-Stickereikleinbogen-postfrisch_W0QQitemZ130181520503
FDC
http://cgi.ebay.com/Schweiz-Stickereikleinbogen-Ersttagssonderstempel_W0QQitemZ130181520499
Posted by dbenson   ( 8758 ) on Dec-09-07 at 12:03:15 PST   Listings
bjorn, the London cancel is JU for June, July is JY,

David B.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-09-07 at 11:54:47 PST   Listings
Speaking of Germans and certificates: I think this "cracked plate" went too high (to a German bidder). 40% of CV is too much for a stamp with only one good margin and a thin which, according to the certificate, is still visible from the front despite repair.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-09-07 at 11:54:33 PST   Listings
No I hadn't forgotten, that's why it might have been sent very early in July and arrived June 24.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8758 ) on Dec-09-07 at 11:47:41 PST   Listings
bjorn, don't forget the difference between the Gregorian and the Julian calender, Russia hadn't changed yet,

David B.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-09-07 at 11:40:39 PST   Listings
Alec, I think the red writing simply says "S.Peterburg". The cancels on the back are also from S.PETERBURG 24 IYON 85, I guess IYON is the same as JUN. As for the "3 ..." I don't know, and in the third cancel I think I can read the letters "KONTOR" which I think means "OFFICE".

Is the LONDON cancel from JUN or JUL? If early in JUL this letter went fast (but not back in time!), if JUN it was rather slow...
Posted by dbenson   ( 8758 ) on Dec-09-07 at 10:27:19 PST   Listings
sungwonyh,

in my opinion it is the fault of three parties, firstly and primarily Ebay for allowing modern reproductions to be sold whether they be printed, photo copied or zeroxed they should all be banned from Ebay but because they allow them if they are described as reproductions they can be sold. Secondly it is the seller for selling that type of material primarily aimed at the buyer who does not read the descriptions properly or who has language difficulties in understanding what the various terms mean and lastly you who fell for the trap of buying them. If Ebay had a manager of the stamps section who knew anything about stamps then that type of material would be banned but until then it is a problem.

David B.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-09-07 at 10:12:52 PST   Listings
GB - Russia Looking through the mass of material I have lying around I came across a cover from GB - St Petersburg. Now I have several questions.
1. Is the red writing a redirection and if so to where ?
The reverse has several transit cancels and what appears to be some sort of label. I'd appreciate it if anyone can read the transit cancels and dates and possibly read what the label says . A close of of the label front and reverse I hope are clear enough.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1029 ) on Dec-09-07 at 09:35:02 PST   Listings
sungwonyh… Yep, have to agree with everyone here. Number 1: Look before you leap. Number 2: If someone has (in your opinion) treated you unfairly the only sensible course is to ask that person why, not this board.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1029 ) on Dec-09-07 at 09:30:48 PST   Listings
NOIP… I watched Zodiac last night, an intense and powerful movie. It was excellent throughout, and even at three hours it held my attention every second. Brilliant performances by all, even the minor characters. The brutality was kept to a minimum, and was not overplayed. (It is about a serial killer, after all.) No car chases or crashes, no gratuitous explosions, no idiotic, unnecessary special effects, no goofy swooping cinematography to distract from the story, just a riveting tale told expertly. It is not merely the outline of murders and possible suspects, it is about obsession as well, and how destructive it can be even when the object is honorable.

I highly recommended it.

Jim
Posted by afeht   ( 1194 ) on Dec-09-07 at 09:26:17 PST   Listings
sungwonyh,

The seller explained SIX TIMES IN GERMAN AND IN ENGLISH that what he sells are FALSIFICATIONS, REPRINTS, FALSCHUNGEN. You should be angry at yourself: read the description carefully before you buy anything.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-09-07 at 09:00:40 PST   Listings
Alec

I'm missing lots of Ecuador stamps, particularly almost anything that depicts the Galapagos Islands.
Posted by 22028   ( 1668 ) on Dec-09-07 at 08:43:09 PST   Listings
sungwonyh, I feel sorry for you but we do not know why the seller refunded not all the money, this question only the seller can answer.
But, why where you bidding on this junk in the first place?
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-09-07 at 08:40:00 PST   Listings
Sungwonyh Seller clearly states that he is selling reprints . It is your responsibilty as the buyer to know what a seller is saying, especially when the description is in a foreign language.
I can understand why you are angry. Have you returned the stamps to the seller ? If yes then I think you should get all your money back. But how and if Paypal or ebay can help I do not know.
Hopefully some of the others here may be able to offer you better advice.
Posted by sungwonyh   ( 23 ) on Dec-09-07 at 08:30:49 PST   Listings
Hello, eBay community!
I am very angry. I bought the stamps on Oct-08-07 07:04:23 PDT item number 180167423996,180167341734,180167424041, 180167422643.
But its not real. It's fake, but he explained real.
He explained " ~ rare and decorative Falsifications, re-print, Replicated Perforierung auf dem Papier gedruckt, perforation is printed on the paper."
So I bought it. But I knew that it's fake or copy stamps when I received it.
I am very angry, so I claim strongly and demands refund.
Lately the seller(wiesengrab) changed the stamps explains
"I only sell fakes reprints, reproductions as well as wrong imprint."
I send the stamps all, but he refund partly. So I send the email to seller.
==========================================================
Why not refund all? I bought item no 180167423996(US $39), 180167341734(US $39),180167424041(AU $39), 180167422643(AU $39). It's total price is US $78 and AU $78. But you refund only AU $84.
When are you refund remainder? I want to do many good businesses with you. So I hope you can fix this problem quickly and correctly.I hope your business go well. I am expecting the courtesy of a prompt reply.
===========================================================

Why he not refund all?
Posted by mendelbrot   ( 45 ) on Dec-09-07 at 07:55:03 PST   Listings
Greetings to you all

Michel



Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-09-07 at 07:18:14 PST   Listings
RAINER ---Nice guide ,will help many who purchase Tibet stamps .
Posted by 22028   ( 1668 ) on Dec-09-07 at 07:08:22 PST   Listings
Bill, thanks for the hint.., already corrected. A typical German - English error..., in German we only have skrupellos... which means unscrupulous
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Dec-09-07 at 07:01:13 PST   Listings
Rainer I think you have a typo in your guide. You write "quickly came into the hands of scrupulous auction houses", but I believe you meant to write "quickly came into the hands of unscrupulous auction houses". Valuable information - thank you for sharing with us.

Bill D.
Posted by 22028   ( 1668 ) on Dec-09-07 at 06:55:41 PST   Listings
Today again a seller had offered a reprint of a Tibet sheet of 24 stamps..., but has withdrawn it after my intervention. So I found needful to write a guide clearing the Myths about the Tibet sheets with 24 stamps.
http://reviews.ebay.com/Tibet-24-stamps-sheets-the-truth-and-background_W0QQugidZ10000000004811423

I hope this is clear for all...
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Dec-09-07 at 06:54:19 PST   Listings
2681213 as stamps 12345 says, they are semi-postal stamps. These are stamps that are sold at a higher price than required for the service the cover. The extra money is used for a specified charity. In the US, for example, there has been a semi-postal issued to support breast cancer research. The wikipedia article link above has a very brief description of semi-postal stamps. I believe in some (many?) countries they are called charity stamps, not semi-postals.

Bill D.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-09-07 at 06:46:29 PST   Listings
2681213---They are semi-postals ,thats the rugby player green stamp
Posted by 2681213   ( private ) on Dec-09-07 at 06:40:58 PST   Listings
hello
anyone can help me about fiji stamps
there is 2 prices on the stamp 1-health 2- postage
what is the difference


thanks
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-09-07 at 01:19:49 PST   Listings
Milenko, yes MiF in the Michel cover catalogue is for Mischfrankatur or mixed franking. Which is always priced lower (often much lower) than pure single or multiple frankings. Single franking of the 505A is 1200 Euros.
Posted by philaweb   ( 352 ) on Dec-09-07 at 01:13:20 PST   Listings
Good Morning/Day/Afternoon/Evening!
Posted by 0410e   ( 152 ) on Dec-09-07 at 00:54:17 PST   Listings
Oops. "Never know who you might meet...."

jeff
Posted by 0410e   ( 152 ) on Dec-09-07 at 00:52:21 PST   Listings
afeht.

Not only do I collect vintage erotica & stamps (not in combination....although perhaps I should), I also run a vintage erotica site. To be fair the vintage collection is virtual, it being impossible to build sets otherwise.

Never know who you might in these places

jeff
Posted by 22028   ( 1668 ) on Dec-08-07 at 23:56:29 PST   Listings
afeht, why these two things are incompatible?
If you ask anyone..., they will and would and never have bought something like that..., so for whom these things are produced? Well, maybe for coin collectors?
Posted by afeht   ( 1194 ) on Dec-08-07 at 23:08:42 PST   Listings
lluehhb,

That's the first ting I did, too, as soon as I saw that "Feedback to others" page. Well, for the sake of fairness I must note that some seller he left a negative feedback are "no more registered users" -- perhaps, they were bad eggs.

What is most surprising to me is his combination of hobbies. Never before I've seen a stamp collector avidly interested in porno magazines. Somehow, these two things are incompatible -- at least, in my mind...
Posted by lluehhhb   ( 323 ) on Dec-08-07 at 22:57:47 PST   Listings
what a terrible bidder! I've just included him/her in my blocked bidders list just in case.

(if someone is unaware of that feature, here it is:
http://pages.ebay.com/services/buyandsell/biddermanagement.html)

Sometimes I'd wish to have a blocked sellers list. At least I can put them in the search filters.
Posted by afeht   ( 1194 ) on Dec-08-07 at 22:55:19 PST   Listings
Linda,

And he buys mostly old porno magazines, too. What would he do with my beautiful Swiss coats-of-arms semi-postals? Ich werde entsetzt, um mich vorzustellen...
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 547 ) on Dec-08-07 at 22:48:32 PST   Listings
Oh gosh, Alex, that buyer has received over three and a half thousand positive feedbacks, (only 7 negs), and has about 200 won auctions in last 30 days. In 4 years of buying he has only ever left 46 feedbacks for his sellers, .. every one of them a Negative!!
mmm... strange buyer!
Posted by dbenson   ( 8758 ) on Dec-08-07 at 22:27:45 PST   Listings
no Paul I haven't got it wrong, you insisted that the type of overprint was wrong as it varied from your comparison with the type used on New Caledonia, you didn't even know what the genuine type looked like.

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-08-07 at 22:17:28 PST   Listings
DAVID B. ------You got that wrong it was the blurred overprint that was questionable not the different print type .Scott catalog does show the overprint in the correct font ,so does the album page that im using so it doesn't make sense for me to say it should be a different font .

Also i've been watching and priceing that set over a few years and made my own idea whats its worth and the true value .Also the set used was sold about a year ago and I was out bid .

WRD3 -----You got me mistaken some how with other bidders ,I don't nickel and dime my bids and my attitude to bidding is if your going to beat me your going to "bled" doing it because what you see is not my top bid and my hand doesn't go up and down at auctions it goes up and stays until my price is hit.Im not a one tick bidder or run if there is three or four bidders .Im buying because I like the item not what some one else thinks its worth or its resale value .Im buying entertaiment and relaxation .There are many stamp lots that im outbid on every year and then im thinking about them all summer how nice it would to have that lot .....right now im sorry I didn't bid higher on a Iceland stockbook which was loaded with interesting material but so be it ,theres always next year .....paul

Posted by afeht   ( 1194 ) on Dec-08-07 at 22:00:55 PST   Listings
Ladies and Gentlemen,

A buyer who calls himself bibi9152002 won one of my smaller lots on November 17th. He hasn't paid yet. If you would look at the feedback this buyer leaves for others, you will immediately see my problem.

I opened an "unpaid" dispute with him, hoping that he won't answer, and his bid will be canceled -- because, apparently, there is no other way to get rid of this person.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 413 ) on Dec-08-07 at 21:51:22 PST   Listings
Alec WHenever I see a nice SCADTA Germany I think of you.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8758 ) on Dec-08-07 at 20:54:26 PST   Listings
wrd,

you comment

" the catalog value of the lot is irrelevant. Knowledge of the "true" value of a lot is what's important "

is most probably the most important aspect of anyone bidding whether Ebay or elsewhere as those who use catalogue value to base their bids on is fooling themselves,

David B.
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Dec-08-07 at 20:18:19 PST   Listings
dbenson actually, for the discussion of bidding on eBay, the catalog value of the lot is irrelevant. Knowledge of the "true" value of a lot is what's important. I was just trying to make a point that sniping is the best approach for an informed bidder. A knowledgeable bidder who places a high proxy bid early is only hurting himself, at least on eBay. He may still win the lot, if his bid is the highest, but may well end up paying more than if he sniped the lot at the very end.

Bill D.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8758 ) on Dec-08-07 at 20:03:23 PST   Listings
I just checked Gibbons, the mint set cats. at 150 Pounds whilst used cats. at almost 800 Pounds. The chances of finding a genuine used set is about the same chances of me winning the lottery today without a ticket. Occasionally a few odd values genuinely used will be offered but forget about a complete genuinely used set,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8758 ) on Dec-08-07 at 19:50:19 PST   Listings
That seller has 3 mint sets up for sale.

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8758 ) on Dec-08-07 at 19:43:22 PST   Listings
for the new collector and those who haven't got a clue what we are discussing,

http://cgi.ebay.fr/WALLIS-ET-FUTUNA-TAXE-Y-T-24-36-SERIE-COMPLETE-NEUFS_W0QQitemZ280176154065QQihZ018QQcategoryZ68005QQcmdZViewItem

hope that helps,

David B
Posted by dbenson   ( 8758 ) on Dec-08-07 at 19:41:35 PST   Listings
wrd, the important aspect of the discussion should be what catalogue is being referenced and what the past realisations have been. French Colonies of that period are extremely popular and it would be easy to check recent realisations in France to get a feel of the current market, then an informed valuation of todays market value should be the guide.

David B.
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Dec-08-07 at 19:32:38 PST   Listings
stamps12345 your example of the overprinted postage due stamps is a textbook example of why anyone who "knows" the value of that set would be foolish to bid early. If, for example, two people are interested in such a lot - one person who valued the set at $200 over catalog, and you, who were going by catalog value.

Imagine two scenarios: first, if the other person put in an early proxy bid $200 over catalog, they might find themselves being bid up over catalog value (or even losing the lot) to you, if you chose to nibble away until you found their max. If they bid their max in a snipe bid, then you would bid at catalog value and they would bid over catalog value, and you would lose.

Alternatively, if you put in a proxy bid at catalog value, as long as the other person held their bid until a last second snipe, they would win the lot, beating your proxy in a last second bid.

In either case, the best situation for a person who "knows" the "true" value of a lot is if that person snipes at the end. This doesn't give another "less informed" person a chance to reconsider and increase their bid.

Bill D.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 547 ) on Dec-08-07 at 19:17:52 PST   Listings
exptmircle one thing I would mention in the description is the Statue of Liberty (people out there collect SOL), AND that the postmark is for the OPENING OF THE USA EXHIBITION in VIENNA.

good luck, and for more hints and tips a quick read of the links in the big Yellow Box, posted here last at 00:57:19 may be a help.

Linda
Posted by dbenson   ( 8758 ) on Dec-08-07 at 19:09:08 PST   Listings
Paul, your have forgotten what the " discussion " was about, it had nothing to do with value but it was how to recognise forged overprints. You insisted that the set up for sale on Ebay was forged as it varied from the design in the catalogue and then you were comparing the overprint on New Caledonia with that of Wallis & Futuna and as they varied you thought they were forgeries but of course you never realised that they used different fonts.

David B.

Posted by afeht   ( 1194 ) on Dec-08-07 at 19:00:24 PST   Listings
#5=$5
Posted by afeht   ( 1194 ) on Dec-08-07 at 18:59:20 PST   Listings
exptmircle,

What you got there on the scan is a nice Austrian philatelic cover from the earliest years after WWII. Since you already know how to scan and how to sell on eBay, just list it in Stamps-Austria category, call it something like "Nice 1950s Cover with Blocks of 4", and guess your starting bid at the minimum you won't regret parting with it (say, #5). If it is worth it, it will attract bidders and find its price. Always use gallery picture, and chose your timing carefully (I would list it when it is something like 7 pm in Austria).

Good luck!
Posted by jaywild   ( 1029 ) on Dec-08-07 at 17:49:04 PST   Listings
0410e… I figured out how much I was willing to pay for the Winfield Scott cover, and entered it as a snipe bid. Sometimes this wins me the lot I am interested in, sometimes someone else wants it more, but in that case, he pays more than I was willing to pay. I have no regrets over the lots I lose.

The is only one instance when I enter a bid early, and that’s on an auction that has a Buy-It-Now. Say it starts at 99¢ with a B-I-N of $40, but I don’t want to pay $40. I enter a bid for 99¢, which causes the B-I-N to go away, effectively turning it into a “real” auction. I then decide how much I would be willing to pay, enter a snipe bid for that amount, and forget about the lot until I hear whether I won it or not.

With the exception of the example above, bidding before the last ten seconds of an eBay auction serves only to drive the price up needlessly. Period. And it is utterly amazing to me to see people who have been on eBay for years engaging in silly, days-long bidding wars.

Jim
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-08-07 at 17:42:40 PST   Listings
should of added that I'll purchase it MNH or postally used not with first day cancels
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-08-07 at 17:29:08 PST   Listings
THE MISSING FACTOR IN BIDDING All the dicussions here about bidding and sniping or 10 second bids or increments is missing a important factor .

I GOTTA HAVE IT ----is something that ignores what most of you talk about "when bidders know the value" means something different to each one of us. How do you put a value on something like a $10.00 item that you been looking for for years .Are you going to lose it for $12.00 or $20.00.Bid it up higher and let the pureist cry about it ,but your happy the day it comes in the mail and you add it to your collection ,what is the value to your joy?

Here is my story -----A few year ago David B. and I had a discussion about the postage due set of stamps of WALLIS and FUTUNA ISLAND with the "FRANCE LIBRE" overprints ,twice since that time I tried to purchase that set mint but it when higher than the stated catalog price of $300.00 and last year the set appeared someplace used again it went for over the used catalog of $300.00 .I detemined the set is extremely hard to find used and there is a strong demand for it,so the next time I'll bid a few hundred over catalog ,so what is its value to me or to some block head who looks in the catalog for price and will tell me what the true value is .

Posted by lluehhhb   ( 323 ) on Dec-08-07 at 16:56:19 PST   Listings
Thank you Alec. I think I got a bargain.

What is MIF? mixed franking maybe?
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-08-07 at 16:51:03 PST   Listings
Milenko Michel Briefe states MIF for the 505A as €400
Posted by exptmircle   ( 1177 ) on Dec-08-07 at 16:44:06 PST   Listings
Hello,
Let me introduce myself before I start asking questions. I usually post to the book board. I grew up with a stamp collector and dabbled myself when younger with collecting but I gave it up some where along the line. Now I have my Grandfather’s collection and I am doing my best to learn as much as I can about what I have. I would like to sell some of it here on eBay. I have a gazillion questions about listing stamps so I have come to the experts. I have spent several days being confused and overwhelmed reading this board and I do not expect to be an expert ever but more importantly for me is to write an honest and accurate listing. I have listed a few stamps over the past few weeks (just to get my feet wet) but I know the listings were not a good as I would have liked and I am sure I am leaving out important data. I have Scott’s checked out from the library and have spent hours going blind looking up stamps. That is my story. So now…

I have come across this Austriacover in Grandpa’s collection and wonder how to list something like this. I know the basics like the cat. #, etc., but I am lost as to what to say about the cancellation or if there is anything to say about it. Looks like the Statue of Liberty to me, which may or may not be important. I pulled this one out of the collection, as it looked like as good a place for me to begin as any.

Another area that baffles me falls under what I consider glossary terms. If you have a block of stamps is that just four? Yes. So if I have a block plus extras (connected to that original block) is that simply called multiples or is it referred to in another way?

Thank you in advance for your assistance.
Posted by lluehhhb   ( 323 ) on Dec-08-07 at 16:40:48 PST   Listings
by the way, far as I know there is a special Michel catalog with values of stamps on cover (it's not the regular spacialized catalog). If so, can someone look for the value of the 505A?
Posted by lluehhhb   ( 323 ) on Dec-08-07 at 16:37:08 PST   Listings
Since today theme is German philately, I'd like to share an item I received yesterday.

I collect postal history with the German 1933 Nothilfe issue (Wagner operas). I think the stamps are beautiful, also I like semipostals and it's easy to find them commercially used.

Front and Back.

Registerd cover sent from München (dec 12, 1933) to Chicago, USA. Commercial communication between Graphite minning companies. Franking is correct: 70pf (40pf for international letter >20g-40g plus 30pf for registration).

Even better, the 20pf stamp is the rare perf 14x13 (michel 505A), which is the scarcest value of the set!
I think the cover is a real beauty.

I was getting quite nervous before receivng this one. About a month passed since it was mailed from Canada without news. Considering that december is a difficult month for the mail system (many stolen/lost items), it was a real possibility. I tought I had paid for registration, but the seller sent it just insured with a nice label stating $100 value! (cover costed me $115) and in a large yellow envelope franked with a lot of old stamps. It was a "please steal me" one! Fortunately all ended OK.
Posted by malolo   ( 870 ) on Dec-08-07 at 15:53:38 PST   Listings
As a side note -
The Second Chance Offer is unfair to the underbidder, because eBay's system sends out an email suggesting the offer be one increment under the winning bid. The offer should be one increment over the third place bidder.. If there is no third place bidder (just the "winner" and yourself) you should only pay the opening bid. For example. Auction opens at $1 , winner's bid = $21, your bid =$20.50. ebay offers to you for your $20.50 when it should be offered at $1. You are in effectthe only bidder after the winner was "disqualified" for some reason.

I'm off to work. Today's theme songs are "Blowin' in the Wind", and "Rainy Day Woman"

Roger
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-08-07 at 15:51:17 PST   Listings
infla,

I sent you an email.

Katrina
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-08-07 at 15:49:57 PST   Listings
io/Jim If memory serves you are missing some stamps from Ecuador depicting Volacanoes. If correct can you please restate the year of issue and the design ? I have a friend in Turkey who has a contact in Ecuador and another in Germany whose wife is from Ecuador so they may just be able to locate the items you are missing. Or maybe the country I'm thinking of isn't even Ecuador.
Posted by malolo   ( 870 ) on Dec-08-07 at 15:44:33 PST   Listings
0410e -
The point is that when a bidder sits on the side line and waits to bid within the final 10 seconds nobody, that's nobody, even knows there will be a bid. Therefore, there is a mis-sense of "safety" that early bidders seem to take for granted. To be interested in an auction and re-up the over bid the highest showing bid each time during the week proves nothing except a lack of understanding the process. Nobody wins anything by placing the most bids in $10 increments each time someone else bids! The only winner is the one who ends up with the highest last bid. Bidding wars prove nothing!
Sniping in and of itself proves nothing. It is just a means of not having a less knowledgeable buyer bid one up. Many times I've participated in auctions where I don't win with my snipe. Sometimes I'm sad, sometimes, surprised at the winning bid when my snipe doesn't go through as being too low. Most often I'm surprised at how close my bid is to others. I know my max, they don't and have no way of finding it. To place a $56 bid early in the week and watch a couple of bidders chip away at the high initial bid is plain stupid. If the other bidders really have no sense of the value, the sniper will invariably win. When bidders know the true value of an item, one sees auctions where there are 3 bids and the item is at $56 when it started at $1. No incremental bidder, they were left behind. This is seen but a rare occurance.

I'm more than happy to refine my answer, if you still don't get the snipe concept. )'>)

Roger
Posted by dbenson   ( 8758 ) on Dec-08-07 at 15:37:18 PST   Listings
I love snipes, there should be more of them,

David B.
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Dec-08-07 at 15:36:14 PST   Listings
0410e the answer to winning an auction on eBay is to bid at least one bid increment higher than anyone else, regardless of when the bid is placed. : - )

In the case of the lot malolo linked, if the underbidder's snipe amount was established independently of the ongoing action in the auction, then the early proxy bid by the winner had no effect on the outcome of the auction. If both he and the underbidder had both placed their maximum bid as a last second snipe, the result would have been the same, but without the second underbidder nibbling away. But if the underbidder's maximum snipe bid was influenced by the higher current bid, then the early proxy bid by the winner did cause him to pay more than he would have with a true snipe bid.

We'll never know.

Bill D
Posted by keleofa   ( 3644 ) on Dec-08-07 at 15:27:16 PST   Listings
Jeff (0410),

Of course Sellers would rather not have sniping. Sellers want bidding wars. The way eBay wrote the bidding software encourages sniping. Nothing else makes sense. I use eSnipe as soon as I spot something I want and I usually get it for a lot less than my max.... but then again I am usually buying crap.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by 0410e   ( 152 ) on Dec-08-07 at 15:01:30 PST   Listings
jaywild/iomoon/malolo

Your 1861 loss & malolo's swiss loss shows that a 10 sec bid isn't always the answer either.

In malolo's case the winner got his item at a price he was willing to pay (maybe not so happy to pay), but he got his item. If he had waited for a 10sec bid, then it would have been with his initial bid capped at $50.00 & malolo would have sniped him.
Hence the question

Debating the benefits (to a buyer) of waiting till 10sec to bid,would probably just be a case of each telling the other what we already know.
I have it in my mind that full time sellers would prefer not to have snipes? Or does that cross into no-man's-land?

jeff
Posted by 1covers   ( 1371 ) on Dec-08-07 at 14:35:32 PST   Listings
Sangre De Christo snow report - none in Taos - bright sun and snow on the peaks only. Pretty to look at ....
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-08-07 at 14:28:09 PST   Listings
Well, here's what I did with snow on Monday when I had I day off, I went skiing. The area is within the city limits, accessible by tram and bus.

View from the highest point, freshly prepared tracks. You can see my shadow, the sun is low even though it was only 1:07 PM.
Posted by afeht   ( 1194 ) on Dec-08-07 at 14:09:40 PST   Listings
Here in San Juans heavy snow comes down the fourth day in a row. We had a 7-hour county-wide power outage yesterday, because a high voltage line tower broke under snow. I have to clean off snow from my sat dish with a special brush with a long handle to get email or to post a message here. Then the link works for an hour or so, until it gets clogged with snow again.
Posted by malolo   ( 870 ) on Dec-08-07 at 13:40:44 PST   Listings
David -

We just got wet. Kailua on Oahu and other areas on that island were without power becasue the power poles came down. It is very interesting to see a whole road with poles broken 2-3" above the ground. I often think they are rotten and come down together becasue they were put in at the same time.
Kailua-Kona, on the other hand, is on the island of Hawaii and doesn't have any major highways. LOL that would impact the commute. We can have traffic stopped just because a single car hits one pole and brings it down.

Roger.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Dec-08-07 at 13:10:33 PST   Listings
roger...Kailua was without power and phone service for a little over 2 days. From what I've heard you had a worse time of it than they did.
Posted by malolo   ( 870 ) on Dec-08-07 at 13:06:29 PST   Listings
jaywild -
We had a littl esquall come thorugh last night. Most people boarding Northwest and waiting for American airlines got a thorough going away cleaning. An outdoor airport in the ropics is not necessarily the place to be during winter storms. It wasn't cold, just nasty
Scroll down to 9:45pm - during the next 8 minutes we had .64 inches of rain. It would be interesting to know why there is no 10pm measurement reported! )'>)

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels


Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-08-07 at 12:30:17 PST   Listings
Katrina I'm quite happy to pay for a domain name as I don't want a site full of advertising. Just a plain site where I can host images and describe my collection would be great. With pages where ones can post also see helpful guides on German philately in both English and German. Your offer of help is much appreciated and accepted. I sometimes anser questions assuming someone knows what I'm talking about so please holler if somethung said isn't 100% clear. I'd rather answer something ten times than have someone go off more confused than before the answer was given.

I just hope you are prepared to answer a lot of DAU, (Dumb A** User) questions when it comes to maintaining a site. You have my e-mail so pleae contact me with the steps necessary to start the ball rolling. Perhaps you have msn messenger and we can discuss this in real time 1-1 ? My msn address I would need to mail you. It is not the same as my usual e-mail.

Yes the stamp I'm refering to is blue and with a black dienstmarke overprint. It is important that the cover bear only one example of the stamp and be dated sometime in December 1923. That is critical. So Bjorn if you have such a cover I'd love to see it.

I have to go offline for a few hours so catch up again later.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1713 ) on Dec-08-07 at 12:19:21 PST   Listings
Based upon the seller's answer to my question about how this will be protected in the mail, apparently it won't receive any special handling outside of being Registered.

http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250194306401&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

My concern will be with the USPS.
My impression is that many non-US mail services are more "collector conscious" than the US.

Looks like I pay my money and take my chances.

Posted by jaywild   ( 1029 ) on Dec-08-07 at 11:57:33 PST   Listings
NOIP… Here is a nifty item I was outbid on, bearing a genuine signature of Winfield Scott, head of the United States Army. If the 1861 year date is correct, this cover was sent 3 days prior to the firing on Fort Sumter.

Jim
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-08-07 at 11:45:47 PST   Listings
I might add that 20pf was the rate for domestic letters between 20 and 100 grams (or printed matter 250-500g), so it should be relatively common. I might even have one myself, but my foreign covers are currently on huge unsorted piles. :-(
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-08-07 at 11:40:09 PST   Listings
Single franking means there's only one stamp on the cover.
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-08-07 at 11:19:02 PST   Listings
infla,

um, i have a few of the blue 20 with the diensmarke diagonal. The 20 is kind of darker than the pattern background? Diensmarke is in black? Does single franking mean only hit once? or does it mean the whole cancel showing?
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-08-07 at 11:13:11 PST   Listings
manhattan

Keep going, maybe we can browbeat Alec into setting up a web site.
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-08-07 at 10:59:16 PST   Listings
Oh sorry Iomoon, I did not see your offer of help with infla's website. I will step back.
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-08-07 at 10:55:37 PST   Listings
infla-alec

I'll respond to your response later.

But, as offered earlier, I would be glad to help you with your website. I can get you set up with the new fire/ftp tool for uploading. So cool! Also, you will need a hosting service, I like Powweb, and a domain name, I like, Go Daddy, but those are the only costs and are minimal. Much more professional to not be on a free server with someone else's name all over it.

The design depends upon what you want to accomplish but for you, gratis. The only problem would be all my questions about your stuff. Might not be worth it. :/
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-08-07 at 10:53:08 PST   Listings
figmente

Not surprising.
Getting complete sets of modern US stamps in used condition is not easy (unless people send themselves FDC's and then soak them).
Complete sets of the 50 stamp sets, like the flags or greetings from America, are very difficult to obtain.
Posted by figmente   ( 905 ) on Dec-08-07 at 10:41:40 PST   Listings
Looks like modern US used is worth about double mint
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-08-07 at 10:16:25 PST   Listings
Alec

Uploading material is a breeze with an FTP (file transfer protocol) program.
I use "Cute", but there are plenty of freebies available on the web.
Designing a web site is an ongoing process as browsers change and access to the web changes. Back in the days when everyone had telephone connections, web sites were designed with few images so they would load quickly. With the arrival of DSL it became possible to make sites with multiple images.

With a WYSIWYG html compiler it is pretty easy to do a simple web site.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-08-07 at 10:04:35 PST   Listings
Katrina Yes sometimes rubber cancels were used as emergency cancellations. Sometimes covers can be found with stamps literally all over the front and back of a cover. If the stamps on the cover were not cancelled completely then the sorting office used these rubber type obliterators to ensure the stamps could not be re-used and so meet postal regulations of the time that all stamps be cancelled. The rubber cancels often appear as just black smudged ink lines but occassionally in a pattern shape. Though sometimes covers do appear that missed all efforts to spot such mistakes.

The known dates of use of some cancels are kept secret by the Prüfers (expertizers) to prevent forgers adding cancels to what is already a big problem. It is the prüfers that keep accurate records of virtually every rare inflation stamp ever signed and expertized. There was at one time a register of , "seltenheit" (scarcity) kept by the Arge Infla-Berlin but that was destroyed during the war. But thankfully the expertizers of today have records of most of the rare items in existence today. With the occassional new discovery being added to their records.

How rare some things are remains to be seen. But it sure is fun for me working together with other experts and collectors alike of my area gathering and sharing the information. It's like a jigsaw at times , putting all the pieces back together.

Whilst posting here again I'd like to ask if anyone has a single franking of the 20 Pfennig Blue official stamp issued in December 1923.It's the new currency stamp with a diagonal "Dienstmarke" wavy overprint. Michel # 102. Sorry I don't know the Scott #. But if anyone does have an example I'd be interested in seeing a scan. Michel lists the catalogue value for a single franking as €5 but I won't say why yet just exactly why I have an interest. Let's just wait and see if anyone turns up an example.

To try and understand the rules of the BPP go to google and copy and paste into the search box "Bundes Philatelistischer Prüfer" then click the translate this page button. That will give you the gist of what the BPP does and how it works.

When the local German collectors have finished trying to get you the information that you now already know please do share what I have told you with them. It is only by sharing such knowledge that most collectors be made aware of the dangers of buying what appears to be a good item when in fact all they are doing is throwing their hard earned cash onto the dung heap.

IO/Jim It's the actual design of a website and how to upload images that I don't comprehend. I know how to scan & compress images so at least that's a start. :-)
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-08-07 at 09:44:36 PST   Listings
"One day time permitting and I can learn some computer skills as to how to create a website and update it I will eventually show my collection in its entirity and perhaps include tips on what to look out for when collecting German material."

Alec

It's actually quite easy.
The only things to avoid are not linking pages backward, making pages too big, and uploading two images with the same name.
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-08-07 at 09:24:03 PST   Listings

Why doesn't my boldface html work like everyone else's.?

Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-08-07 at 09:23:14 PST   Listings
Paul Expertisation costs for cheaper stamps to members of the Arge Infla-Berlin are €0,50 for cancel and €0,50 for colour variations. Bear in mind though there is usually a minimum fee involved also. So it pays to send material in bulk and pay the minimum fee the once.
For the more expensive items there are three levels of certificate. Kurz Befund, Befund and Attest ranked in that order. I forget which catalogue value any particular stamp has that can detremine what level of certificate is given. But it should be remembered that expensive stamps can cost 4% of cstalogue value or 4% of the retail value + cost of Attest + postage fees. Expertized examples with Attest generally fetch better prices when sold. Though actual costs are sometimes negotiable depending on who the Prüfer is and how well he knows you. Sometimes you find the really rare material cheap such as the example on my "me" page and the cost of the Attest costs more than I paid for the cover. But without the Attest that particular item would not sell well at all. Nor would it be one of the highlights of my collection based on just my say so. I hasten to add that it will hopefully never be sold in my lifetime !!!

One day time permitting and I can learn some computer skills as to how to create a website and update it I will eventually show my collection in its entirity and perhaps include tips on what to look out for when collecting German material. That would be a fun project for me but don't hold your breath waiting though because after 5 years of using a computer I can still only do the basics.

Website design looks easy but for me I find it very difficult to understand. Once I know how to do something and have done it a few times I'm not so bad but it's getting to that stage of the lesson which for me is the hard part.

By chance does anyone here specialize in the Bahamas ? I ask because I have a cover sent from Bahamas on Oct 6 1911 to Bremen, registered mail but franked with 58 copies of the 1/2d King Edward stamp.My question simply being is the rate correct ? I can scsn and link an image if need be.
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-08-07 at 09:18:44 PST   Listings
infla-alec

I am thrilled to have a stamp that is worth your valuable "homework" time and I really appreciate your explanation. Unfortunately for you, it raises more questions in my mind. I'm glad you don't mind the depth.

First of all, you may have missed the three others (the red ones I posted last night and the new scan of the 800/500) because of your wallpaper tasks. I know the reds are not rare but I put them up because of the bluish tinge to the cancels? And wondered why anyone would bother forging a cancel on such common stamps. Now I know.

You said."Important not to confuse the rubber type emergency cancellers sometimes found on used inflation stamps with the dated cancellers."

Does this mean that rubber cancels were sometimes used authentically?

What do you mean "kept secret"? From whom? And why? To prevent Forgeries? Who decided to keep them secret? This is fascinating! Can you even answer these questions? Will the CIA come to my door? lol?

You said, "That stamp is also very scarce yet most examples known all have forged cancels."

Is there some society that keeps track of this kind of information numerically?

I am on the board of an old, and very good, local stamp club. I printed them a copy of the 800/500 and now the "two German collector boys" are on it. I am sure they will come to the same conclusion as infla-alec, but at the time I did not have his excellent explanation. I'm NEVER going to tell them how I know so much. :/

afeht: It is disheartening to know that my "forgers" were not even good at their chosen profession, as it were, ripping the perfs badly and stamping on hard surfaces. What the heck was wrong with them?????????? :/


Chaswilly: My question to you was "supposed" to mean would you help me understand how to use the infla-prufer's website link you kindly provided. My German is virtually non existent. What did my German actually say???


stamps12345, My red stamps DO have low value... I only posted them because they also have bluish cancels and I wanted to compare them to the green 800/500 being discussed previously. Apologies for any confusion.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-08-07 at 08:47:59 PST   Listings
ALEC Agree with your postings and what you said about only the German groups can expertize the inflation issues .Didn't know they would charge so little ,surprising to me .Im sure most of us think in the terms of paying a $20.00 fee as members of a society or as much as $40.00 for a expert certificate .

As you and everybody else knows im a worldwide collector and don't get into the highly specialized fields or studies but that doesn't mean I can't identify simple forgeries .Such as wrong color cancels ,all hand roller cancels ,the "V" {vormittag}and "N"{nachmittag} ,all ring cancels with gutters and modern types that were not introduced before 1929.My references and inventory of proper cancels can give me a good idea of whats right and wrong but not as perfect as the German experts ......paul

Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-08-07 at 06:46:27 PST   Listings
Paul Just a quick coffee break but in reply expertization of even the cheaper inflation stamps is something which was and is still regularly done. To explain why, there are often one or more colours of a particular stamp. So when someone sends in a stamp to be expertized it is looked at by the Prüfer for first genuine cancellation and also colour type. Costs involved are only a few cents. Not anything like as expensive as say sending something into the Royal PS for a certificate.

Besides German collectors are of the opinion that if not expertized then the stamp is only worth the usually mint catalogue value. I don't know how much expertization costs in the US but I doubt any system of expertization outside of Germany is so cheap and highly regarded. The BPP provide a service to collectors and I for you happily have everything I own geprüft, not because I fear something is not genuine but because i know that when the time comes for me to sell or pass on my collection , if ever sold it will only be seriously accepted as being genuine with such experts certificates and signatures.
I'm not saying the BPP system is perfect , it isn't or that other expertization services be they in USA or elsewhere are not worthwhile. I mean for the stamps & covers of Germany the BPP is one all serious collectors will know and trust far and above anything said by anyone else.

Yes there is a minimum fee to be paid when submitting German material to the BPP which is why people tend to send in larger batches than single stamps. Singles are usually only sent in if someone is already pretty sure it is one of the expensive stamps and the chances are good it will come back with an Attest (certificate).

Katrina Going back to your 800/500 I've been doing my homework and I really am sure your copy is a forgery. Ok now you want to know why. Firstly the blue cancel made me very suspicious. Hyper-inflation cancels in the blue or bluish colour are always forged. But you stated the cncel does not appear so blue and could be just a scanner/ computer misrepresentation. A few dated circular cancels are known to exist in violet but these are extremely rare.
So I had to research a little deeper. Secondly hard to be 100% certain from the scan but the cancel on your example appears to be a rubber made cancellation. That being so rubber circular date stamps did not exist during the hyper-inflation period and so must be a later privately made one. Hyper-inflation cancels were always made of steel. Most were destroyed as the types of cancellers used in Germany changed. Ownership of such cancellers in Germany is I believe to this day still illegal. Important not to confuse the rubber type emergency cancellers sometimes found on used inflation stamps with the dated cancellers.
Thirdly I've spoken before about dates on stamps and how some information is kept secret. However I can reveal that the date on your stamp 7 Oct is far too early for that stamps known period of use in the München area. Yes Michel list the dates of issue for some stamps but believe me they are not all correct. Michel also does not list the known dates of use for stamps in certain areas. A perfect example being the 1921 Dienst (official) stamp 10 Pfennig , orange. That stamp is also very scarce yet most examples known all have forged cancels.So sorry to confirm the bad news but don't let that stop you asking questions or showing items.
If possible can you post links to some of the inflation period covers (if any). I enjoy looking at postal history far more than I do stamps. That said I have enjoyed being able to answer some questions here for a change.


Posted by dcderoo   ( 1711 ) on Dec-08-07 at 06:23:09 PST   Listings
22028, thanks for pointing out the two listings for the Swiss sheetlets.
I don't search the non-US sites, so I never would have know otherwise.
Now I'll have to work (with Babal Fish) to see if I can understand all the auction conditions.

infla-alec, thanks for the listing showing the two varieties.
I'm not sure I'll go that far, but it's worth keeping in mind.
And if I fail miserably at my translation effort I'll probably come back to you to take advantage of your offer of help.

Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-08-07 at 06:18:46 PST   Listings
chaswilly… Your post of 22:23 December 7 made no sense to me either.

Jim
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3831 ) on Dec-08-07 at 05:58:50 PST   Listings

afeht - I liked your forensic evaluation of faked postmarks below and hope I can remember them when the need arises.

In the Canada small queen issue there was a gaggle of faked so-called fancy cancels some 20 years ago applied to unused (no gum) 3c values. A telltale sign of these was how the ink bled thru the paper to show up on the reverse side. Also they lacked the proper pigmentation.

There was also an episode of likely-fradulently cancelled Quebec Tercentenary stamps which appeared in one or more Stolow Gold Medal mail sales that bore postmarks with the country name of Lichtenstein !! (sp?)

And there is a current Canada auction catalog with copies of Jubilees and Quebecs with "post contemporary cancellations" some which are identified as such. These 2 examples of efforts which take unused stamps without gum and of little value as such and trying to give them value as nicely cancelled used stamps.

CSI-raff

Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-08-07 at 05:37:04 PST   Listings
PETER Good to see you posting and have a safe trip home .
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 83 ) on Dec-08-07 at 05:22:49 PST   Listings
Hi Paul Don't worry I am getting lost as well trying to catch up with the board and understand some of the postings? On my travels at the moment after a week in HK now in Singapore for 3 days, first time I have been able to log in properly for sometime! Looking forward to the Xmas break when I can spend some time with my stamps and family (is that the right order:-))
cheers
Peter
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-08-07 at 05:11:52 PST   Listings
IM LOST Can someone here explain why you need a stamp that catalogs 20 cents unused and $1.25 used ,that you would need a expert certification ?-----
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1443 ) on Dec-08-07 at 03:42:52 PST   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Jim L.


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Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-08-07 at 00:45:34 PST   Listings
Chaswilly I'm sorry but I don't understand your post at 22:23. To whom or what am I supposed to be offering undying support ?

Dcderoo Are you aware that there are two types of the Swiss, St Gallen embroidery minature sheet ? Pretty good explanation of the two types shown here.

If you are still having difficulty obtaining an example let me know and I can ask friends in Switzerland if they can locate one at a reasonable price. I've no idea why that sheet does seem to be selling so highly. Limited numbers printed perhaps ? Nice idea for a present though.

Katrina It's not just used inflation stamps that have forged cancels. Just about every country and area of collecting worldwide has had their fair share of forgeries. The decision wether to send for expertisation or not is one you must make yourself. Sure it is best to get the opinions of other Infla collectors "before" submitting material. Of course it is impossible to be 100% sure about any cancel purely from a scan unless someone really does see known forged characteristics. I don't profess myself to be any kind of expert on every Infla cancel. Very few people can claim that distinction. If you care to mail me the scan of the 800/500 I can ask others in Germany for their opinions also. As Rainer knows also there are several Infla Prüfers who frequent the German speaking chat boards. Some will give an opinion privately if something appears to be genuine.
Many of the forged cancels listed in the Infla literature can also have genuine usage. Which I admit can be like entering a minefield and stamping your feet down hard to try and clear a path. So how does one know when they have a genuine usage of a known forged cancel type ? Simply it must be sent to a competant prüfer. They have a secret database giving the dates of the known forged cancels. In other words if you had a cover for example with a date after or before that of which the known forged cancels have then the chances are your cover is genuine. That information is not public knowledge because if it was then the modern day forgers could quite easily start a new spate of forged cancels.

Despite your inherited collection being so old and untouched for decades it does not surprise me that it contains forgeries. Pretty soon after it became known that some stamps were scarce used the forgers were producing cancels to fool the collectors. Bear in mind many originated in the 1930's and at that time very little was published or even known about forged cancels. Your average collector didn't have access to stamp clubs or specialist societies. That period also saw a boom in the number of collectors worldwide. Many wanting examples of each stamp so you can see why so many forgeries exist.I'm not just refering to Infla stamps either. For what exists philatelically in the forged market there are many here who can give thousands of examples.

Last weekend was redecorating and silly me thought that would be the end of it. I should have realised new wallpaper means new curtains, new lampshades etc. Oh well I'll hopefully read back on the days posts in a few hours time.

Afeht So far as I know there is no Michel guide to Inflation period postmarks. The only information available all comes from the Arge Infla-Berlin, German philatelic magazines or in articles published by the GPS / Inflation study group.
Regarding your previous breach of ebay rules for posting on this board, the one time offence is not something to worry about. I wasn't trying to be rude but there are some who often try self promotion here and ebay do take action against repeat offenders. You stated you were unaware of the rules and that is fair enough. We all make mistakes at times.
Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-07-07 at 22:57:07 PST   Listings

Katrina,

How does one know? It's in those little things. I've seen thousands upon thousands of these stamps, singles, on covers and on pieces, I've looked at them through magnifiers, I smelled them, I slept (OK, had no sleep) with them.

As a rule, the paper Germans used to make covers and postcards in this particular period transfered to the paper of many genuinely used stamps a kind of very pale yellowish-ocher tinge, barely noticeable but distinct.

Also, a postmark applied to a stamp already affixed to the letter, apart from not being bluish-gray, has a distinct deepness in the middle of its lines, and fuzziness on the edges of its lines. If a postmark is applied on the stamp lying on a hard surface or on a single sheet of paper on the table, it loses these characteristics.

Most fakers were canceling sheets manually, striking frequently and similarly each time, after which then separated the stamps also in a hurry, without bending along the perf line. This also affects the distribution of ink and the form of perf ends in subtle ways.

Washing off the gum in warm water usually lightens up the color of the stamps a bit, and the presence of dissolved gum in the water often gives the fake used stamp a slightly dull, lusterless appearance, it loses its initial burnish (probably, as a result of sum mild chemical reaction between the color ink and the dissolved gum). These things usually don't happen to genuinely used Inflation stamps.

Finally, many genuinely used stamps retain something of the cover surface on their back sides: threads of paper stuck to little patches of remaining gum, or just a faint texture reflecting the texture of cover paper.

If you want to go ahead by yourself without expertizing, start with buying a Michel guide to Inflation period postmarks. I think you won't even need a dictionary.

Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-07-07 at 22:36:13 PST   Listings
Katrina,

IMNHO:

The 2 mil on 20o mark on your scan has normal postmark ink color; it's a contemporary fake anyway (real cliche applied by a dealer after December 1923).

The other stamp, 250 thousand on 200 mark, is a later fake with the bluish ink.
Posted by chaswilly   ( 1674 ) on Dec-07-07 at 22:23:18 PST   Listings
manhattanconcepts,, Katrina, true, but according to jaywild, infla-alec and stamps/ad nauseuem are the only people on this board that have his fledgling, undying support.
Posted by 22028   ( 1668 ) on Dec-07-07 at 21:18:23 PST   Listings
dcderoo
Where are the Problems???
http://cgi.ebay.de/Schweiz-4Block-Stickerei-1726-gest-20-Sfr-Postpreis_W0QQitemZ260190577018
http://cgi.ebay.de/SCHWEIZ-2000-1726KB-STICKEREI-gest-M2822b_W0QQitemZ310003145888
Posted by cosmo41dogs   ( 498 ) on Dec-07-07 at 20:55:06 PST   Listings
What do you think of this guys stamp collection for ten thousand ? go to www.utube "canadian stamps for you "
Buyer beware,!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its Mr.Bower.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3638 ) on Dec-07-07 at 20:39:46 PST   Listings
PostalHysteria,

Jeff - I don't remember any 3rd class PSE covers but I'll go back through it and check.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by spirit_helper   ( 1665 ) on Dec-07-07 at 20:26:46 PST   Listings
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1711 ) on Dec-07-07 at 19:48:25 PST   Listings
Got to figure out how to frame it so my wife can hang it in her sewing room.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1711 ) on Dec-07-07 at 19:45:36 PST   Listings
I managed to get a single of the Swiss stamp I was looking for.
Haven't found the 4 stamp sheetlet yet.
Big stamp.

Embroidered stamp from Switzerland (2000)

Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-07-07 at 19:08:04 PST   Listings
Or this one! Not a rare combo of stamp, surprint and cancel but look how bluish. Fake as well?

Not mine
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-07-07 at 18:58:44 PST   Listings
I am putting up another inflation stamp, not a hottie like the last one but, look, it seems this one also has a blue green tinge to the thinner portions of the cancel ink.

2mill_on_200M


Could anyone tell me about this cancel. I would appreciate it.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-07-07 at 17:55:12 PST   Listings
Roger… I was under the impression that, in terms of eBaySpeak, all bids are proxy bids, no matter when they are placed.

No question, the bidder you showed was a dummy, and for exactly the reason you state, but I don’t think the term “proxy bidding” defines the mistake.

Jim
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-07-07 at 17:01:15 PST   Listings
Not Roger, but I'll answer.

The winning bidder made a bid on he 4th and then decided it wasn't enough so bid again on the 5th.

y*** then realized that the winning bidder had bid more than their lowest bid and decided to push the issue. Going up in rather strange increments normally indicative of a shill bidder.

At the end, the winning bidder thought their highest bid was insufficient and so bid again.

If they had waited till the last 10 seconds they could probably have gotten the item for a fraction of what they ended up paying.
Posted by squidwillow   ( 1059 ) on Dec-07-07 at 16:55:22 PST   Listings
Re the Swiss item - but hey, for the winning bidder, it may have been worth it to him/her!
Posted by 0410e   ( 152 ) on Dec-07-07 at 16:34:58 PST   Listings
Malolo,

Why do you blame the proxy bid?

jeff
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-07-07 at 15:19:23 PST   Listings
chaswilly,

Thanks for posting that link to the infla prufers... aber leider aller ist es auf Deutsch und ich weiß nicht, wo man beginnt.

Katrina
Posted by malolo   ( 870 ) on Dec-07-07 at 15:18:07 PST   Listings
Aloha -
Another reason for not placing eBay proxy bids. Can't say, "when will people learn?", when they have only one feedback!
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=200180339893

It would have fit very nicely into a Swiss hotel collection. )'>)

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-07-07 at 14:13:42 PST   Listings
Yipee!!!

Classes are now completed for 2007.

Just finals and commencement to go.
Posted by lluehhhb   ( 318 ) on Dec-07-07 at 12:18:40 PST   Listings
Checking other items from that seller, I found the lot 190121503552

I really wonder how it was given a perfect grade... the top perforations are at least somewhat rough in my opinion
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6481 ) on Dec-07-07 at 12:10:53 PST   Listings
Anyone have any money for the "finest #388 coil in existance" ? 190181195567 :)
Posted by lloydstamps   ( 600 ) on Dec-07-07 at 11:21:59 PST   Listings
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Posted by 220man   ( 164 ) on Dec-07-07 at 10:37:20 PST   Listings
parrotsnpalms: Huh?
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Dec-07-07 at 08:26:08 PST   Listings
NOIP Anyone need Christmas ideas for the hard-to-shoop-for person in their life? I'm looking for ideas for my wife, but think I'll pass.

News article
Auctions for those who want to bid.

Bill D.
Posted by parrotsnpalms   ( 255 ) on Dec-07-07 at 08:15:03 PST   Listings
Which snobby person reported the post about the Cottam family? Couldn't you take one moment to offer condolences, I'm sure one day you'll experience some sort of grief and who will you turn to... The Giving Board of course because that's where the heart is. It's not your board is moving much. Thanks.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3831 ) on Dec-07-07 at 07:23:01 PST   Listings

matt-in-AZ

In that recent lot of covers from your club, are there any 3c PSEs from 1958 - 1963 that are conceivably third class use?

thirdclass-raff

Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1443 ) on Dec-07-07 at 01:15:56 PST   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Jim L.


member
Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-06-07 at 23:09:11 PST   Listings
Katrins,

Jolly good scan. One can easily read "Fünfhundert" now. Still, as I said before, this stamp is much too light compared to normal green stamps of this issue -- this can be caused by intensive sunlight or by washing off the gum in hot water. And, as I said before, the shade and the distribution of gray ink on this Bavarian postmark seem wrong. I am not sure 100% (who ever is?), and it is "je ne sais quoi" issue of experience and comparison, but I would bet $100 that BPP would not sign it.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 544 ) on Dec-06-07 at 22:50:16 PST   Listings
Awwwww. come on MITCH only boring people get bored.
you surely just mean you aren't interested in inflation items, or stolen / misplaced collections, or catalogue vs. retail/wholesale prices of stamps, or Jeff-raff's attempts at humour (good one Jeff-Jeff!).

Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-06-07 at 22:35:14 PST   Listings
Katrina… It might be best to follow up on the advice to send it to an expertizer, although I am highly disinclined to doubt infla-alec’s word. Follow the links posted earlier and then send the stamp off, and if you do, please come back and share the results with us. I have been very interested in the entire discussion.

Jim
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 664 ) on Dec-06-07 at 21:34:00 PST   Listings
YAWN................., I think, that perhaps, I would rather be kicked in the head than read this bored anymore, much less contribute anything. There is only one expert on anything and everything Philatelic and we all know who it is.
I'm also having and have had (for many years), the "holier than thou" attitude of many of the posters. Their are certainly a lot of Saints here. I've oftened wondered what
publicly visible Saints do, when there is no one around to hear or see?
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-06-07 at 20:25:41 PST   Listings
I have humbly learned a few lessons about scanning stamps so here it is again. Notice how the cancel is not really blue, just blue-black compared to the deep-black surprint. I guess I will take it somewhere to check it out, what the heck.

Same Better Scan


Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-06-07 at 19:04:11 PST   Listings
What our German friends call "Himmelsfahrt"...
Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-06-07 at 18:59:28 PST   Listings
Yeah, the smell is still in the air...
Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-06-07 at 18:47:04 PST   Listings
Jeff-laff-raff… That was a good one.



Jim
Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-06-07 at 18:40:18 PST   Listings
Looks like you need one of them barbed-wire crosses to clear off your plumbing, dunc.
Posted by duncan_doenitz   ( 128 ) on Dec-06-07 at 18:33:17 PST   Listings
Oh oh, looks like a double flusher.
Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-06-07 at 17:55:05 PST   Listings
postalhysteria,

No wonder you make barbed-wire crosses in your sleep.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3831 ) on Dec-06-07 at 17:30:51 PST   Listings

... and away goes trouble down the drein

(reference to old Roto-Rooter jingle)

laff-raff

Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-06-07 at 17:17:44 PST   Listings
OK, I see that it's time to pinch my nose and leave this board. Thanks to David, Knud-Eric, and Paul for civil conversation, and good night.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-06-07 at 16:24:09 PST   Listings
Lindy… I didn’t even think to look at the bottom for “fünfhundert”. I will accept my lashes with equanimity.



But Paul should get some too, because he thinks “drein” is three and “fünfh” is five.

Just kidding!!!

On another note, sounds like someone’s going off his pills again…

Jim
Posted by 1covers   ( 1370 ) on Dec-06-07 at 16:12:03 PST   Listings
David,

I think you know that I am not a bid fan of either catalog valuers or estimaters. However, I have no trouble with people listing catalog values on collection lots or singles. Those stupid enough to bid based on catalog value will die by the same swift sword.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8752 ) on Dec-06-07 at 15:56:31 PST   Listings
Alex,

thanks for your remarks, like I said I think you will do better selling mixed lots without catalogue value in the title as it frightens many potential buyers however there is nothing immoral or wrong in quoting catalogue value for specialised varieties such as the Swiss items you were selling a few weeks ago as the potential buyers might not have the current specialised catalogues although presumably they would have an outdated one which they were using,

David B.
Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-06-07 at 15:47:56 PST   Listings
knud,

In a nutshell, the problem with any catalog values is that they are misleading every beginner collector for many years, thus creating a huge pool of additional income for all of us weasther-beaten sages burdened with sad wisdom. Is it good or bad? I refuse to judge. At least, I've never done what hundreds of dealers do: sell garbage to children and simpletons for 75%-100% cat. These people are deeply immoral. Fortunately, Internet trade wipes them off the face of the Earth.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-06-07 at 15:41:43 PST   Listings
"something dear" that is my wife and girls

"less value" isn't a phrase I understand .

Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-06-07 at 15:39:57 PST   Listings
D. Benson,

I admit that your advice on mixed lots is probably correct. I've been thinking along the same lines lately. I already decided (yesterday!) not to quote CV in title lines. I will leave CV in descriptions, though, because I know that these numbers help me to evaluate the real price of the lot, so they will help others, too.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8752 ) on Dec-06-07 at 15:24:30 PST   Listings
Paul,

I never said that and please don't put words in my mouth,

I said catalogue value on mixed lots, nothing else,

and this where you are 100% wrong,

" Guess David doesn't like the implication that they are getting something cheap and has more value "

It is because they are getting something dear and that has less value,

David B.
Posted by knuden   ( 2399 ) on Dec-06-07 at 15:24:15 PST   Listings
Alex - The problem with catalog values is, that in many catalogs the catalog value is for stamps in good condition, in some for perfect conditions and in some for average conditions.
As long the bidder hasn't a clue of what condition the catalog value refer too, quoting catalog values can be misleading.
You see it clearly with sellers quoting values from SG catalog and when you look at the stamp(s), they are stamps with only a fraction of the value quoted.

K.E  I'm a catalog king, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!


Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-06-07 at 15:22:35 PST   Listings
My favorite sales trick is to find which catalog quotes the highest value and then convert that to U.S. dollars and---- ZOWIE---- YOU ARE SELLING HIGHER CATALOG stamps -----a big e-bay selling has been using this method for years and makes thousands of sales each month .
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-06-07 at 15:20:14 PST   Listings
stamps12345

So it's a THREE AND a FIVE? lol.

bottom feeders and kidding aside, clearly a FIVE, right?

omg, i am only allowed FIVE posts more today because I only have NINE stars. It's a mystical coincidence. (I bet you all will be happy when I'm ebay gagged for the evening)

K
Posted by dbenson   ( 8752 ) on Dec-06-07 at 15:14:22 PST   Listings
Alex,

you I do believe some sellers are immoral that list catalogue value on mixed lots and that includes some Auction Houses as well. Experienced coillectors ignore them but many newbies and naive buyers are suckered in by low percentages of catalogue value. Reliable sellers shouldn't use that practice,

p.s. nothing personal but you would most probably get a higher realisation if you left out the catalogue values on your mixed lots.

There is nothing wrong with quoting catalogue value for single items or small lots where all items are perfect which is what a lot of the Auction Houses do,

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-06-07 at 15:11:48 PST   Listings
ALEX and DAVID B. ------Most buyers don't have catalogs or recent catalogs {my 2008 cost over $250.00 }so giving a price/value is not really a bad thing.Guess David doesn't like the implication that they are getting something cheap and has more value .
Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-06-07 at 15:03:16 PST   Listings
Infla_Alec,

I didn't know one cannot link to one's active actions here. Thank you for your reminder. However, my interest is purely philatelic, not mercantile. I just wonder if I missed some rare perforation or variety that I wasn't aware of, that's all.

David B.,

What is wrong in creating interest among potential buyers? Is there a rule in any philatelic society that would forbid to quote catalog values? How am I different from zillions of sellers and auctioneers who do quote catalog values? Are they all immoral exploiters of poor naive "bottom feeders"?

Are you trying to create an impression that stating a catalog value of the stamps offered for sale is somehow immoral? I guess it would be immoral if one would try to deceive anyone. But everyone can see the condition of accurately scanned stamps, and everyone can decide for themselves if this condition satisfies their criteria.

I deal with others the way they deal with me. No more, no less. As long as quoting catalog values is a widespread, popular practice, I don't see anythiong shameful in it. On the other hand, I regard altruistic admonitions with suspicion: most of the time they disguise self-serving attempts at mental manipulation.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-06-07 at 14:55:16 PST   Listings
NEW READERS and COLLECTORS -----Here are the two stamps the 300 overprinted 800 and the 500 overprinted 800 ,also the wording can be seen at the bottom with side examples . SAMPLES OF BOTH .....paul
Posted by dbenson   ( 8752 ) on Dec-06-07 at 14:38:11 PST   Listings
Alex,

then why do you quote catalogue values on your mixed lots which include variable condition items. To me sellers who quote catalogue value on mixed lots do so to create interest amongst the bottom feeders.

David B.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-06-07 at 14:34:55 PST   Listings
Katrina, I've seen fake cancels on cheaper infla stamps too, as well as others like the last issues of Bavaria. I guess it may have taken some time after the infla period before it became known which particular stamps were rare used. So those who did the fake cancels just cancelled whatever they had, since ALL stamps were less common used. Just my 20 billion marks... :-)

Posted by chaswilly   ( 1674 ) on Dec-06-07 at 14:30:36 PST   Listings
manhattanconcepts loose stamps of the inflation period are rife with back dated forged or faked cancellations. Most with clear partial corner cancels are just that, forged or fake. After re-examining your scan, the only sensible thing to do would be to have it examined by an Infla prüfer to determine if it is genuine used. You can find several here: http://bpp.de/
Posted by philaweb   ( 351 ) on Dec-06-07 at 14:23:52 PST   Listings
Good Morning/Day/Afternoon/Evening!
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-06-07 at 14:19:47 PST   Listings
ALEX---feel better now ,thanks
Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-06-07 at 14:16:09 PST   Listings
Here: Paul was right!
Didn't read your post, sorry.
(And you are double right, because one has to pinch one's nose quite often in public places. We can't summarily execute all cookie pushers and blustering scammers on this planet, can we?)

D. Benson,

Yes, I am somewhat fixated on catalog values -- not because I believe in them or rely on them but because it is amazing how irrelevant and out of touch with reality they are.
Posted by smudger_the_ink   ( 1 ) on Dec-06-07 at 14:09:54 PST   Listings
stamps12345 AKA as AS-IS

Paul, you are never right. You just get lucky sometimes.

Larry
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-06-07 at 14:01:13 PST   Listings
WHY I LIKE THIS BOARD --------DARN ITS HARD FOR PEOPLE TO SAY PAUL IS RIGHT if you go back to my post at dec 5 07 at 20:47 the information given on that 800 over 500 was correct and it seems everyone needed to state the same without acknowledgeing my posting ......love this place ....lol...
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-06-07 at 14:00:11 PST   Listings
Infla-alec

Thanks so much for your remarks. I suspected as much as per my link named "FAKE". Not sad.

However, upon looking at the stamp and the scan more closely on different computers, I realize that it is not actually all as blue as it appears on the screen. Color in cyberspace is not to be trusted. I know because it is what I do for a living. I put color in cyberspace.

The actually cancel is a black that leans deep navy in the thinly stamped places. So, if it is the intense blue that is throwing off the diagnosis, I would like to retract that and apologize for any confusion. The green itself is very true to the stamp but most colors on screens lie. You can adjust your monitor's color specs to see what I mean. Everyone sees stuff differently.

That being said, and I am certain that the blue is not part of your reasoning, so would you be kind enough, and only when you have time, to nutshell why it is a forged cancel in spite of the blue/black thing. I seem to have another that looks a lot like this cancel but on a issue that is not rare, according to Scott. (100 on 100 purple)

I guess I am wondering why anyone would bother? Who would have access to such a cancel stamp which seems to be accurate in date and time period. A postman? And if so, and it was some postal nutcase stamping everything left over in the drawers after the period was over, how the heck did he know that these stamps, when canceled, were going to end up being rare? And if the postal guy did stamp them all, would he not bother to do it so the rsult looked real and professional? Or did he do it so no one else could use them for postage which means they are not forged but hand canceled? Shrug?

And then, the big question. Where did my father get the forgery. He did not buy stamps, nor did his father as far as I know. They took them off envelopes mailed to the house. I believe this because I found many letters they did not yet have time to soak. On the other hand, there are quite a few foreign stamps but his father was high in some international engineering firm so maybe they got them through business.

Fortunate that they were not all soaked because some of the covers are quite old and gorgeous.

But, the inflations probably were not precious to them because they were not pretty. Besides, this stamp is on the bottom of a stained page with many other old inflation stamps. Not held out as special. Isn't that odd to you?

I am not arguing against your expertise. Just raising a few questions that will help me understand how this happened and how I ended up with it. I believe understanding stamp lineage is the only thing that will save this dying passion for all of us now that forgeries are mainstream on worldwide auctions.

afeht: I just offered it "as is" to my son for a $1.50. I think he'll bite. :/ Besides, I don't wanna stand naked anywhere right now except a Bahama Beach.

K
Posted by knuden   ( 2399 ) on Dec-06-07 at 13:59:31 PST   Listings
Alex - As I have seen similar stamps in the same quality as yours sell in Europe for $75, I'm not surpriced at the price of yours. If you look, you will see the high bidder at the moment is a Dutchman.

K.E  I'm a catalog king, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!


Posted by mini*lindy   ( 544 ) on Dec-06-07 at 13:47:15 PST   Listings
Well all the questions and pinpointing the upward and downward strokes of the 5 v. 3 is fine, but under the magnification of JayWild's scan I can clearly see the f and ü of fünf = 5 not drei=3

Linda
Posted by dbenson   ( 8752 ) on Dec-06-07 at 13:41:27 PST   Listings
Alex,

you seem to have a fixation with catalogue value and the actual value and worry when some items sell for a small percentage of catalogue value whilst others sell for a high percentage of catalogue value. In that case most of the stamps were worth a high proportion of catalogue value and also that the Scott's catalogue value is most probably not relevant either as the bidders are using Dutch price guides and not catalogues. You are not the only regular here with the catalogue value fixation it seems to be a very common trait,

David B.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-06-07 at 13:23:15 PST   Listings
Afeht Linking to your own current auctions is against ebay rules. Ask again once the auction has ended.
Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-06-07 at 13:06:05 PST   Listings
To All:

I wonder if anybody has any idea, why people are so excited about this particular lot? Am I missing something?
Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-06-07 at 12:56:31 PST   Listings
Katrina,

Groping with mysteries in the dark can be fun but, when the time comes to sell, we all stand naked before the blinding light of truth... and then "no certificate = no money."

Try to sell it "as is": I doubt you'd get $1.

Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-06-07 at 12:30:14 PST   Listings
infla-alec… Thanks for the information, and also the illustrations. Those two items are exquisite! Thanks to Danny and Dunc too.

Jim
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-06-07 at 12:21:07 PST   Listings
Jim An example of a typical Bavarian two circle Cancel and a One ring cancel<.a>
Posted by duncan_doenitz   ( 128 ) on Dec-06-07 at 12:17:52 PST   Listings
To manhattanconcepts...

About the 800,000 over 500 - the number beneath the 8 looks like a 5 and not a 3, so you seem to have the stamp identified correctly.

Compare the lower loop of a 5 and a 3 of that series.

Looking at a 3, the top of the loop (where it meets the diagonal stroke) does not reach to the left, past the 12:00 position, and does not descend downward on the left. It stops at 12:00.

The same midpoint on a 5 does sweep left and descends, and also reaches further to the left. That downward slope can be seen on your stamp.

The upper right part of the 5 ends in two points, forming a notch. The 3 ends in a single point in the upper right. You can see both points on your stamp, if you look closely, not quite concealed by the 8.

However, there is a long history of faked cancels so advice from experts would be needed before seeking a cert - brown tinted cancels might be genuine, but blue? Not likely.

http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/germany/turm2023.html

That link was posted here by Mitch about three months ago and has a lot of ineresting information about the period.

-Dunc
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-06-07 at 12:13:12 PST   Listings
Re the 800/500 It is often mistaken for one of the other 800 Thousand Mark overprinted stamps. Namely the 800/300. Same colour and very similar looking. But there are two very distinct differences.
1. The forked ends as Jim has arrowed on the original 500 Marks stamp always face to the right. On the 800/300 the forks are to the left.
2. But also look carefully at the wording of the original value at the base of the stamp. Quite simply the lower inscription will say "funfhundert" (500)or "dreihundert"(300). The German style of writing a F or D is very distinct. Unfortunately I don't have any scans to show the comparison.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-06-07 at 12:03:53 PST   Listings
Danny… Thanks, I didn’t know that about Munich and Bavaria. Perhaps Paul has some 1920s examples of Bavaria or Munich cancels to show us.

Jim
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-06-07 at 12:03:23 PST   Listings
Katrina I was a member of the GPS but their recent decision to increase dues for overseas members to $75 made me decide not to renew my membership.An increase of $35 in one year to me did not seem reasonable. However I still remain a member of the Inflation Study Group in the USA which is a study Chapter of the GPS. In addition I am a member of the Arge (Study group) Infla-Berlin in Germany. I also am working in conjuction with one of the Infla expertizers in Germany with a study on the area I specialize in. That is a long term project which one day we hope will see our information published in both English and German.

As to your 800/500 it has already been correctly stated that yours sadly is not genuine. Forged cancels are known to have appeared very shortly after the inflation period ended in December 1923. So it is not surprising that even old time collections untouched for decades contain forgeries. That said there are many genuine copies around though and yes even today genuine examples can be found amongst general collections.

Knowing what is a genuine cancel from the Inflation period takes a little bit of detective work and also having the relevant literature. Unfortunately most of the literature is in German but even non German speakers can soon pick up the basics. Firstly learn when certain stamps were issued and their period of use. Some were only ever used in certain districts. Others were only ever in use for very short periods of time.So you should always look for complete dates on used stamps. Preferably with the place name cancel also complete.

You asked about the postal rates. These are listed in the Michel Deutschland Spezial Band 1 catalogue. But a booklet is also available in English which gives non German speakers a very good understanding of the inflation era in general and gives all the rates in Michel and many more which are not. This booklet is available from the author directly. I must admit I helped in translating it from German into English , but even so I can highly recommend it to anyone remotely interested in inflation postal history. Cost wise it comes in at approximately $26 or so + postage. So not expensive and if interested I can put you in direct contact with the author. He is German but can communicate in pretty good English.

Meanwhile please feel free to post as many questions and scanned links as you like. Should you have anything worth having expertized I and others can soon tell you with some degree of certainty if it is worth sending away for expertization. I can even put you in touch with a recognised expertizer in Germany who speaks English and can even accept payment via Paypal if need be.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-06-07 at 11:54:01 PST   Listings
Roger… Glad you made it safe through the storm!!

Katrina... The date of the cancel is 7 October 1923. The hyper-inflation period in Germany ended officially on 1 December 1923 when the old marks were converted to the Rentenmark on the basis of 1 billion old marks to one Rentenpfennig.

As far as I am aware, the color of your stamp seems correct. Also, it is 800 Tausend over 500—see here. The two blue arrows point to tag ends of the horizontal stroke of a 5. Also the downstroke from the horizontal (at left) can just barely be seen under the “8” of 800. I have a bunch of German stamps around here somewhere, but would have to dig for some time to find them. I was hoping to show a copy of your stamp in mint condition.

In my view, it is also significant that the cancel is smudgy and unclear. Fakers, as a rule, opt to make their cancels more easily readable. This however is evidence of a very circumstantial nature, and only suggests the cancel may be authentic. I would put my money on infla-alec’s opinion, and if he gives the OK, then definitely send the stamp to a competent inflation expertizer.

By the way, the program I used to outline that date is plain old MS Paint. Very easy to use.

Jim
Posted by deh3   ( 1944 ) on Dec-06-07 at 11:48:07 PST   Listings
Re: German 800 000m inflation stamp

The postmark is "Muenchen2" (Munich 2), the largest city and capital of Bavaria, a state which used different styles from the rest of Germany.

Danny
Posted by malolo   ( 870 ) on Dec-06-07 at 11:19:04 PST   Listings
Aloha All -

Survived a real storm. Wind out of the south for three days then heavy rain and wind that went bonkers. Glad I had the two days off, it must have been real nasty at the airport in the open ar conditions of the check point.

bjorn -
No need t bid for me, thank you. I do collect “refuse” items, but not enough to go out of my way.

Rainer -
During the week of October 22, I had two “non-deliveries” from Switzerland. One a $20 item another about $65. The money concerns me, but the items were of particular cancel interest and not much use to a crook!!

I don’t get the signature requirement for Paypal auctions. It is supposed to allow tracking of the item. So what? The delivery person isn’t required to have the signature of a resident, they can sign themselves that the item was delivered to the address, in my case a mail box at the street. That is my understanding of the process. And registration is a whole different silly scam. The US tracking mechanism is only valid within the US!!@@!!, so what’s the point of registering an item for overseas delivery, especially for $10 each and an indemnity limit of $40.

manhattanconcepts -
The compelling reason for a cetificate is to confirm you have a rare item. If the collection history is correct, maybe there are other covers/cards from the same period in your collection that can help confirm the authenticiy prior to your sending it off for a certificate. If good, then you reseach the best auction ouse in Germany to sell your card, thus realizing enough to finance your collecting for a few years! I went through this process with an item I found on eBay a few years ago and realized $3500 for a postal card. (see my Me page)

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-06-07 at 10:59:44 PST   Listings
Stamps12345. Thanks for posting those inflation stamps with the black cancels.

K
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-06-07 at 10:39:09 PST   Listings
Afeht,

Respectfully, nah. The fun lies in the mystery. Clearly from my mere nine, yet proud, ebay stars at 100%, I am not a dealer. (Only mild offense intended to those of you are) I am merely the proud possessor of a whole mess of stamps and covers that I find fascinating. Is there any compelling reason to have it expertised that I'm not understanding?

Jwild, That thing you did with the pink ink... I never thought to trace a blurred cancel. How the heck did you do that? In photoshop with the pencil tool? What was the period you are speaking about. Is it from the 23 to the 27th Nov?

Bjonmu, You said, "At the time of the cancel, it was the correct postage for a domestic letter under 20g." 800 on 500 was correct??? This is astonishing. Where I can find that kind of information?

Sorry to be the biggest blabber on the board today.

K
Posted by oggilby   ( 1242 ) on Dec-06-07 at 09:44:56 PST   Listings
Greetings to all from Winter Wonderland, otherwise known as Central Maryland. Our "dusting" turned into a five inch storm, Alberta Clipper, leaving the roads in a mess this morning. But it's beautiful now with everything cover in snow.
Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-06-07 at 09:39:46 PST   Listings
Katrina,

There is only one way to be reasonably sure about any used Inflation-period German stamp if there are any doubts: go through the motions, and expertise it. Our opinions here, based on scans and personal experience, cannot replace an opinion of an expert holding this stamp in his tongues, and having access to genuine copies for comparison, not to mention reference literature on postmarks. Even then, experts' opinions sometimes differ! It's a jungle out there.
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-06-07 at 08:57:21 PST   Listings
German collectors, Thank you for responding to my question.

If this stamp were a fake, would you happen to know when the fakers would have begun faking it. Because this stamp was in my father's and grandfather's collection, a childhood past time in Nurmberg and another home in some wine area to the west near the Black forest, Bavaria, during the depression. (Born 1920) He had not opened this book since 1938 as he was rather busy with a fabulous career in the states. No one ever saw these stamps until I found this collection in his closet in 2003 after he passed away. It is on a page with many other inflation stamps. Many glued down as he was not a professional collector, just loved them I guess. Would it be safe to post the whole page here? I would be very interested in hearing more about these the rest of them, several with very clear cancels.

Katrina
Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-06-07 at 08:04:22 PST   Listings
NOIP… My guess is that the package was stolen by someone who has no knowledge of stamps. (Not many criminals are stamp collectors.) If there was an invoice in the parcel the thief might still not be aware of its value. Not all crooks can read, and among those who can a “euro” might mean nothing whatever.

The best approach I think would be to check stamp/coin dealers and pawnshops in the area where the theft occurred, and if the stamps don’t turn up then the likelihood of finding them is pretty slim. I’ve lost three stamp/cover shipments from eBay sellers, one of which was valuable (over US $500) and two of which were not. I am pretty sure all three ended up in trash bins.

Still, I hope for the sake of your friend those stamps are found.

Jim
Posted by 22028   ( 1668 ) on Dec-06-07 at 07:49:20 PST   Listings
Paul, if the stamps were dumped then they are lost..., in case they are stolen and the thief's more or less know what they have the might appear sooner or later..., we just like to spread the message...
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-06-07 at 07:12:08 PST   Listings
RAINER ----To find the PERSIAN stamps ,there are a few things to know .First what city and what area of that town was the package sent .Second is there a police report filed . Was it clear the stamps were left on the door step ,then its a local crime . Then flyers need to be printed up and a cash reward with no questions asked and no police present .The danager is, that someone got to move fast or that package could already be in a trash dumpster behind a store .The theifs most likely are not sure what they got and it can be purchased for a six pack of beer or something like that .

My business friend who lost $10,000 in diamond tip concrete dilling bits from his concrete cutting business purchase his stuff back for $600.00 dollars no questions asked .....paul

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Posted by 22028   ( 1668 ) on Dec-06-07 at 06:49:42 PST   Listings
Paul, thanks..., but I do not have a use for that cover...
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-06-07 at 06:44:51 PST   Listings
here is it ,try again
Posted by 22028   ( 1668 ) on Dec-06-07 at 06:43:07 PST   Listings
Paul, I can not view the image..., will send my addy thru ebay
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-06-07 at 06:40:54 PST   Listings
RAINER ------Here is the cover which I purchased for a dollar at FLOREX in Florida . If you could use it in your Iraq railroad study ,e-mail your address .

The return address inside with the return order form to purchase packets of stamps is ARSHAK MOVSESSIAN B.R. N. BAGHDAD-IRAQ . or just scan it for your records . Stamp dealer at the railroad station .....paul

Posted by 22028   ( 1668 ) on Dec-06-07 at 06:32:08 PST   Listings
As part of the campaign to find the disappeared classic Iran stamps i mentioned yesterday I have created a guide on ebay:
http://reviews.ebay.com/Disappeared-stolen-Iran-Classic-stamps_W0QQugidZ10000000004763291

Any help would be appreciated.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 544 ) on Dec-06-07 at 03:06:15 PST   Listings
well bwebam before we go clicking on links from unknown strangers, perhaps you would like to tell us who ''we'' are, and introduce yourself properly. -- as an ebay seller I see you only have a few dubious 1penny auctions.
clicking on strange ''off-ebay'' links can be very dangerous.

Linda
Posted by xzephyr   ( 994 ) on Dec-06-07 at 02:06:13 PST   Listings
Thanks Linda

I live and learn!

Actually, I would never buy a ring anyway!!!

Colin the skinflint

Posted by putney32   ( 1789 ) on Dec-06-07 at 01:58:13 PST   Listings
Colin there is such a thing as Mutually Agree to Withdraw Feedback, (there used to be a fee involved), eBay only remove the red negative, and adjust the feedback numbers, but the comment left remains for always!. Unless there is profane language used, in which case eBay remove it. So, sometimes you look at a feedback and see a scathing remark with NOTHING next to it. no green + / no red - That is a mutually withdrawn feedback.

Linda
Posted by xzephyr   ( 994 ) on Dec-06-07 at 01:51:47 PST   Listings
Watchdog story HERE
Posted by xzephyr   ( 994 ) on Dec-06-07 at 01:37:02 PST   Listings
A & S

Here in the UK we have a BBC TV programme “Watchdog” which takes up any dodgy sellers/workers etc on behalf of the aggrieved party. A couple of weeks ago it was the Inland Revenue sending the details of one person to another of the same name – I think IR had given them the same National Insurance number too! And a week later it transpired that the IR had sent the full details of all 25 million, yes 25 million families who received child benefit, including their bank details to their auditor on CD’s by post, not once, not twice, but three times by post, unregistered, and all 3 lots had got lost somewhere!!!

But that is just background to show that this TV programme is taken notice of. Last night they were examining an eBay transaction by a jewellery firm with 3,000 = feedback, 98% positive. The complainant had paid over £1,000 for a ring and was dissatisfied when it arrived and left negative feedback. The firm offered to upgrade the ring if they sent another £1,000 + but said they would only give a refund if the complainant removed their negative feedback.

”Watchdog” had eBay UK’s Trust and Safety manager there and interestingly he was on the side of the complainant and said the firm had been suspended from eBay. I can’t remember all the details but I think the complainant got his money back.

So what value feedback if the baddies insist they will only give money back if you remove negatives? (I didn’t know this could be done) Does the USA have a similar programme that monitors bad transactions? Certainly the complainant got better treatment once eBay safety was criticized on TV! Actually, I would never buy a ring at that price, unseen over the Internet!

Colin the Cautious

Posted by dbenson   ( 8752 ) on Dec-06-07 at 00:56:21 PST   Listings
bjorn, if you check the history of the buyer and underbidder you won't be able to find any evidence that they were after cancels on any of their purchases, mainly 19th. Century classics in poor condition,

David B.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-05-07 at 23:32:12 PST   Listings
Well, it could be that one of the cancels is very rare? You would need special reference literature to know.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8752 ) on Dec-05-07 at 22:58:18 PST   Listings
alex, there are no better cancels in that mixture, the seller was lucky, found two bidders who should have known better,

David B.
Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-05-07 at 22:39:59 PST   Listings
Rainer,

Maybe it has to do with the cancels; gros chiffres and the one on the left are a little bit more desirable than the most usual ones but I don't see any colonial use there, and, first and foremost, the stamps are damaged! Even if I were collecting postmarks, which I don't, I would never pay a penny for stamps in this terrible condition.

I just got a message today from a customer in Switzerland who bought $900 CV worth of classic Swiss stamps for $45 (that is, for 5%), and he complains that one of the stamps has a short perf! I offered to refund him 5% of that stamp's CV. Not that I am happy about it but that's a philatelist there, not a garbage collector.
Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-05-07 at 22:31:52 PST   Listings
About the 800,000 on 500: even if it isn't 800,000 on 300, which is impossible to ascertain from the scan, the stamp looks all wrong to me. It is pale, compared to thousands of green stamps from this issue that I have seen; it seems that somebody discolored it while removing the gum. Also, the cancel is all wrong: at that time, bridge-type postmarks were used almost exclusively all over Germany, except Stuttgart and some Bavarian villages. The bluish-gray tinge of the cancellation ink is also more reminiscent of the ink used much later in BRD. During inflation years the ink was almost always blak or dark gray, with bronze tinge sometimes appearing after many years. Paper seems to be too fresh for a ganuinely used stamp. I'll bet the back of this stamp is clean and whitish, too. I am almost certain this is a fake.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-05-07 at 22:22:24 PST   Listings
About the 800,000 on 500 being discussed: Michel does give a price of 7,500 Euros for a single on cover, so some must exist. At the time of the cancel, it was the correct postage for a domestic letter under 20g.

As to whether this type cancel was in use at the time, I don't know...
Posted by 22028   ( 1668 ) on Dec-05-07 at 22:17:24 PST   Listings
well, maybe the value lies in the cancels...
Posted by afeht   ( 1191 ) on Dec-05-07 at 21:58:02 PST   Listings
How is it possible that people bid $23 for this?

I'll never understand eBay. They ignore perfectly sound stamps, and fight over garbage.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-05-07 at 21:56:00 PST   Listings
JAY-----I thought you were going to thank me for giving the correct information and putting up scans so others can see what was discussed . But you disappointed me ,right now im working on early Mauritius and my desk is full ...sorry
Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-05-07 at 21:49:27 PST   Listings
Paul… Thanks for the German cancel tutorial, but could you expand on it? You showed several different types—where (city, province) and in what time frame were each used?

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-05-07 at 21:43:42 PST   Listings
Rainer… Well, that makes sense. When I get packages from UPS and I’m not home, they just leave the parcel by the door. I’ll never understand why they do that—they must think they’re living in heaven, where no one would dream of stealing anything.



Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-05-07 at 21:40:10 PST   Listings
Katrina… If I can toss in my 2 pfennig on your 800 tausend stamp’s cancel. The date looks like 7 OKT 23, so it would fit easily into the hyper inflation period. (See here. The bottom image contains a pink overlay showing the date.) But my Michel 1981 catalog shows that stamp with a value of 2100 DM used, so the potential for mischief is there. I would have to defer to the inflation experts as to whether or not that cancel is genuine. I don’t think I’ve seen a cancel of that color in that period, but admittedly my experience of such things is limited.

Jim
Posted by 22028   ( 1668 ) on Dec-05-07 at 21:34:31 PST   Listings
stamps12345, I only have posted what I was being told..., i know that a courier service needs the delivery countersigned..., however, ones i had a TNT shipment with stamps to Switzerland and the delivery courier had it signed by "someone in the building of the receiver" and TNT rejected any responsibility..
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-05-07 at 21:25:00 PST   Listings
MANHATTEN--------Let me answer your question this way -----God doesn't give a person knownledge about stamps over a card game .

Experts and serious collectors get their knowledge by handling hundreds if not thousands of those inflation stamps and having books about forgeries and bad dates {bad meaning--- both fakes and stamps cancelled outside of the postal useage dates .}

NEW COLLECTORS AND NEW READERS ---Here are samples of correct cancels during that time period . GERMAN CANCELS ....paul

Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-05-07 at 21:09:17 PST   Listings
Chaswilly,

I was mistaken about the "not put in use" thing. Scott is referring to the same stamp in red orange. It is not clear but I think this is what they meant. So I actually think, unless you know differently, that it was put in use. I guess you are both saying "when" is the question? What was the end date on this 1923 set of surprinted stamps.

Katrina

Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-05-07 at 21:00:55 PST   Listings
stamps12345

You can actually see a time period? Impressive. What time period is the cancel for? What does all that blue say and where? Is it a real cancel? I know for a fact that this stamp last saw the light of day in 1938, Nuremberg.

Katrina
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-05-07 at 21:00:05 PST   Listings
22028-----Something is wrong with the story ,valueable packages are shipped with the requirement that a sign signature is required or was it put into the system wrong by the auction house .To save a few dollars ?
Posted by chaswilly   ( 1674 ) on Dec-05-07 at 20:55:52 PST   Listings
manhattanconcepts, your stamp (on piece even) could probably not be certified because the cancellation is not readable. This stamp was not "put in use", not because it was not properly authorized, but because it saw little use from the date of issue and the date it was no longer valid. On cover, it was mostly used in conjuction with other stamps from the period. There are a few multiple frankings (rare), but no known single frankings.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-05-07 at 20:47:42 PST   Listings
MANHATTANCONCEPTS -----The cancelations on your stamp is wrong for that time period .You got the right stamp but the value of those inflation stamps used is that first the cancelation is verifiable and that, the stamp was used in the right time period ....paul
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-05-07 at 20:33:37 PST   Listings
infla alec

I just "got" your alias. Clever me.

I will join the GPS. Thanks for reminding me. I have been meaning to do that for two years now. Are you a member? And I do have that guide book somewhere although I never had a Michel catalog. Go figure. And thanks for saying I won't be a pain if I ask Ph questions. Nice of you all to share the knowledge.

Okay, here is another question, one in your arena. Scott says that a certain inflation stamp, (scott #267) 800m on 500m lt.green, from 1923 is worth having "used" because they were not put into use. Are they wrong about that too? I think mine must be a fake or else it is not actually a 500. Difficult to see behind the surprint. Would you take a look? Fake?
Posted by 22028   ( 1668 ) on Dec-05-07 at 20:32:22 PST   Listings
Jim, the shipment was "lost" in USA, the DHL delivery guy left the consignment just at the house door since no one was at home to receive it and countersign for the recieve.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-05-07 at 20:24:07 PST   Listings
Rainer… From where in Germany were those stamps sent? I lost stamps coming from Frankfurt a couple years ago, and the seller told me nothing was safe that was sent from there, even registered mail.

Jim
Posted by 22028   ( 1668 ) on Dec-05-07 at 20:03:40 PST   Listings
A warning message about a disappeared Euro 17000 stamp shipment to USA... No, I was not the owner of the stamps, I just help to spread the warning message......
http://fuchs-online.com/iran
Posted by djs127   ( 634 ) on Dec-05-07 at 15:35:49 PST   Listings
Thanks to all who wished me happy birthday on Sunday.
Got money as usual from family as no one knows what stamp related items to buy me. I will just put the money in my paypal account and bid on some supplies and collections on Ebay.
David Snyder
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-05-07 at 14:26:10 PST   Listings
Katrina If seriously wanting to collect the German States then you do need to learn how to use the Michel catalogue. In my opinion they are the only catalogue with accurate information. Forget what Scott or Gibbons say. For any specialist country the best catalogues are nearly always those published by the country in question.

As Bjorn mentioned there is an English guide book which explains a lot of the terms used by Michel. I know I posted a link here a long time ago to a free online pdf file download of this pamphlet. But I can't remember where I saved that link. Perhaps someone else here has it and can post it again ?

You should also consider joining the Germany Philatelic Society. They I'm sure have a specialist study groups for some areas of the old States. Plus they will have a library with much information published in English which US resident members can borrow.

Meanwhile don't be afraid to ask any questions here. I assure you no one will ridicule you for asking anything philatelic in nature. We all have had to learn at some point and what better way than with lessons learnt from those us who have spent years studying certain areas.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-05-07 at 13:49:42 PST   Listings
Roger malolo, would you be interested in these two Swiss returned/due items I've found? The first is mailed from Germany to St. Moritz in 1928, franked with 10pf (clearly too little) and a pair of Swiss stamps, properly cancelled UNGÜLTIG. It was not collected.

The second one is mailed from Bavaria in 1905, franked with 10pf which should be correct for a postcard (yes GAUTING is in Bavaria), but for some reason it has 25c of postage due applied. No razor cancel...

Both items have bids of around $10. No it's no on eBay so I'd have to buy them for you...
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 544 ) on Dec-05-07 at 13:24:19 PST   Listings
Thursday bookmark. :o)
Lindy
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-05-07 at 13:04:33 PST   Listings
JAY----The 1.5 billion was the boast to their capital .Guess their banking unit as you said was in trouble with sub-prime loans .

Just as a note I think the whole state of Florida is up for sale or at least thats what the realty broker was offering .Housing there was bad real bad .{over-built ,over sold to Northern carpet -baggers who used paper to purchase their investments }

Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-05-07 at 12:40:27 PST   Listings
Paul… A life-preserver was thrown to E*TRADE by Citadel of Chicago at the end of last month, providing cash and ridding them of their sub-prime liabilities (at a loss of 1.5 billion +) in exchange for an 18% stake in the company and a seat on the board. Haven’t heard anything regarding a move to Chicago, at any rate that wouldn’t affect their online site or the ability to access them by phone. It would be unusual that so small a stake would result in the kind of control you are talking about, but I’m willing to wait and see.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-05-07 at 12:32:55 PST   Listings
NOIP… Here is what may or may not be an interesting item. On October 16, 1859, John Brown and several followers seized the Federal arsenal at Harpers Ferry VA. The next day, October 17, the US Government sent a force of Marines under a colonel by the name of Robert E. Lee to suppress this rebellion. Among the troops Lee commanded were J.E.B. Stuart and Thomas (later Stonewall) Jackson.

Brown, along with those of his followers who had not been killed, was captured on the 18th. He was tried for treason against Virginia, convicted and hanged on December 2. Before he died he said—
"I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood."
Sixteen months later the State of South Carolina fired on Fort Sumter in Charleston harbor, igniting the American Civil War.

Herman Melville referred to John Brown as “the meteor of the War”. (Meteors and other unexplained phenomena were frequently taken as omens and portents in the 19th Century.)

manhattan concepts... Thanks, I will keep trying E*TRADE.

Jim
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-05-07 at 12:25:01 PST   Listings
JAY------E-TRADE is transfering its trading desk operations to a Chicago firm ,who infused funds into the firm .Can't discuss more because info has'not been released yet.More later when public
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-05-07 at 12:16:06 PST   Listings
Katrina, Michel does have an English version of Volume 1 of the Deutschland Spezial, but alas, that does *not* include the states. :-( They also have an 80 page "Catalogue Introduction" in English, French, Italian and Spanish (combined) which explains many terms, colours, country names etc. See their Catalogue list.

I don't know if SG has anything comprehensive.
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-05-07 at 11:40:27 PST   Listings
NOIP: I am logged into etrade watching stocks. Odd you can't get on.

bjourmu: What would you suggest for someone who does not read German but loves these moldy, little state stamps. Scott seems to be completely incorrect on the blue from all that you have told me. Are there any Michel specialized translations? (even an older one would do at this point)
I sure don't want to bug the German collectors here every time I get confused, which is about once an hour.

Katrina
Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-05-07 at 11:07:47 PST   Listings
NOIP… Anybody hear any news about E*TRADE brokerage today? I haven’t been able to log in online, and their phone and fax numbers are not working.

I know they’ve been having financial trouble, so I’m wondering if the management all packed their carpetbags and skipped town…



Jim
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Dec-05-07 at 08:51:27 PST   Listings
( DC,
CYE
Paolo)
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1711 ) on Dec-05-07 at 07:50:12 PST   Listings
smolcott, thanks. I'll give him a try.
Posted by smolcott   ( 231 ) on Dec-05-07 at 07:40:32 PST   Listings
DC- Try Walter Fuerst in Murten, Switzerland. I've had good results dealing with them. Wwbsite is www.walterfuerst.ch
Steve
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1711 ) on Dec-05-07 at 06:21:15 PST   Listings
I need a bit of help.

I'm trying to purchase a Switzerland 5fr mini-sheet of the 2000 embroidered stamp (Sc# 1075a).
I can't seem to locate any dealers of Swiss stamps who I might be able to purchase one from.
I can find a few singles, but no sheetlets.

My wife does a LOT of embroidery and I thought this might be an item of interest to her.

Would someone point me to a dealer of Swiss stamps, please.

Posted by oggilby   ( 1242 ) on Dec-05-07 at 05:38:29 PST   Listings
Greetings from a snowy Central Maryland, where the cars are crawling, glad I have the train to get me to work. Less than 1 inch of the white stuff deadlocks this area!
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1443 ) on Dec-05-07 at 05:11:58 PST   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Jim L.


member
PS Thanks to all who've answered about the Boston cancel.
Posted by sheryll*net   ( 91 ) on Dec-05-07 at 02:57:12 PST   Listings
Tom - Thanks for your concern! 8-) All is well here. A bit of wind and some high water on the roads, but nothing like the flooding at Tillamook. Billsey was stuck here in Hillsboro last night due to road closures, but I expect he made it over to the coast today.

S2
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-04-07 at 23:36:10 PST   Listings
Katrina, Michel has two types of the 3kr blue: #2-I from 1849 in either (vivid) preussian blue (in shades) or (dark) blue, and #2-II in four different plates from Sep 1850 onwards, in (gray-)blue to greenish blue. Only 2-I is listed with double horizontal lines between groups of 45, so presumably #2-II didn't have them.

There's a similar case with #4 (6kr brown).

Looking at my own copes of the Squares, it looks like all had a line in the margins between stamps, but the thickness seems to vary. I can't see that Michel mentions them.
Posted by postalviews   ( 4376 ) on Dec-04-07 at 23:25:33 PST   Listings
My dancing Bijan trio failed to show, thus proving that my html skills are rusting. :(

Hence will leave it at that.
Posted by postalviews   ( 4376 ) on Dec-04-07 at 23:20:39 PST   Listings
balkania05 We can't know whether your old cover lot purchase was worth $750 without knowing how many covers were in it or without seeing them all. I'd pay about $80-$90 for what you showed us. If there were 500 such covers in that lot, you did very well. If what you showed us is everything, you did very poorly.

Among those:

Condition is not good on most but some are nice.

Most cancels are from large cities, which is not good where value is concerned, but some of those appear to be somewhat unusual and worth more than the usual ones encountered.

There are some better cancels but I did not detect any rare ones. However, I don't know them all either, nor does anyone else.

The locals on cover are interesting and they always sell well when authentic. However, prices for such are lower than what the uninitiated might initially think.

The final, CSA cover would benefit greatly from a professional restoration and sold as such. It could fetch $100 or so after paying for the restoration, which would likely cost $75 or more.

If you do not know the covers and have little interest in learning about them, I would suggest selling it as a lot. If you try to sell these one by one without knowing them, you will fare poorly unless you get lucky at some point. If you learn about the covers you will do much better, at cost of much learning time. However, that learning time greatly benefits the next similar purchase.

If you want to learn about these covers, you will need to start by acquiring the American Stampless Cover Catalog.

Best of success to you with these covers.

P.S. I have vastly overpaid for much better cover lots than this one, as some in here could attest if willing to do so.

Tom

Was in here looking for word from Sheryll, whose present territory in NW Oregon is under water. I did warn her about that place!

Posted by abelstamps   ( 1558 ) on Dec-04-07 at 22:22:05 PST   Listings
Bill D.
That is fantastic! Thank you very much. I appreciate the help.
Dennis
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Dec-04-07 at 21:11:12 PST   Listings
abelstamps I was able to upload the images referenced in the previous post.

Type I and II.
Type I varieties.

Bill D.
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Dec-04-07 at 19:31:41 PST   Listings
abelstamps in March 2006, elpollolobo posted the following information about this design. I kept the images he linked, but unfortunately I am unable to upload any files to my server right now (not sure what's up). I'll see if I am able to send you the images via eBay mail. Here are the two postings by elpollolobo. I am not an expert on this issue, but there were no retractions or challenges to this information that I recall.

Bill D.


March 3, 18:53
stamphick! and all 5 Reichsmark followers

5 Reichsmark scans.

Once again trying our new web server tonight so here goes. First scan is type I placed over type II. Differences include not only the size of the "5", but also the profile of minister Botticher who shows an ear in type II and not type I. Also the "R" in Reichspost is a little different. Now as far as the retouch varieties, the second link shows the pure type I on the bottom left with the Ia, red and white retouch in the middle and the type Ib, white only retouch on top. Notice the variations in the framelines on the left and the color variations between the framelines. Since there corrections were done by hand there may be some slight variations. It is possible to find blocks consisting of the 3 type I varieties, but I am not sure if it is possible to find type I and II in combination like the 2 and 3 mark issues.


March 4 at 19:51
bjornmu I think the best way to look at the scan is to enlarge by 200% and look closely at the double frame line on the left adjacent to the red center vignete. On a pure type I, there is no or very little bleed over of the red color into the space between the frame lines. The color of the white space between the frame lines should be consistent from top to bottom of the stamp. On the red and white reouch, the inner frame line looks like white out for lack of a better term has been used on the inner line and the inner line is not distinct and not the same from top to bottom. On the red only retouch, the space between the frame lines appears to have the red design extended between the frame lines. There might be slight variances depending on the artistry of the German postal agent who applied these colors. My basic recommendation is if you are ever offered a pure type I, make sure it comes with a cert. Mike
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 664 ) on Dec-04-07 at 19:31:07 PST   Listings
Correction (last post): I've forgotten much more than I currently know about these.
After all, I'm a non expert, non philatelist, catalog Queen,
riff-raff space filler.
However I do make a point to mount all of my stamps SQUARELY on nice looking pages.

One hint for several people who do not seem to get this extremely important point!
A superb collection mounted in a sloppy manner looks rather crappy (or for that matter one nicely mounted MNH U.S. stamp on a 19th page).
When most people buy stamp collections, the presentation is VERT IMPORTANT! If the collector did not pay the stamps there just due by mounting them nicely then the buyer will
(usually) assume they were not worth the trouble.

Mount your hinged stamps centered and squarely! Place your mint mounts squarely and of uniform stlye and most importanly cut as near perfect as you can with optical aids if required. Those little stamp mount shears are a must.
Thos pre printed pages are expensive, treat them like they were. Often times the pages are worth more than the stamps. Do not ever ever ever make INK notations on the pages! Light pencil notations are fine if they can be erased.
If your going to put poorly cut mounts or crystal mounts on the pages, just figure that Specialty album that might bring $100-$200 blank, is worthless now.

Ara-riff


Posted by antonius-ra   ( 664 ) on Dec-04-07 at 19:04:09 PST   Listings
AbleStamps I find those quite fascinating. It amazes me that they actually retouched each stamp, that needed it, by hand with ink/paint. German "AR" obession with perfection is truly amazing!
I've forgotten much more than I have known about these but I belive the easiest way to tell is "splash over" on the frame lines of the vignette.
Alec or some of the other German specialist can give you more info than you can probably absorb when they come on-line.
Posted by abelstamps   ( 1558 ) on Dec-04-07 at 18:44:41 PST   Listings
Has anyone had experience with or have knowledge (jaywild?) of Germany Scott #65d and e? Michel #66, type III & IV (Red and white retouched and white only retouched). An explanation of how to identify the two varieties would be very helpful. A web resource with pictures showing the differences would be ideal.
Posted by cosmo41dogs   ( 498 ) on Dec-04-07 at 18:19:06 PST   Listings
Check this out on utube "canadian stamps for you" some of you will remember this guy, maybe he still owes some of you money. He is also selling on ebay with a friend, so be careful.
Posted by duncan_doenitz   ( 128 ) on Dec-04-07 at 18:09:28 PST   Listings
To thebriguy, regarding the silly sales in the Confederate States category...

I bought a bunch of modern cheap copies of CSA stamps once, just to see for myself how cheesy they might be.

The seller's description said, ""Group of 38 different facsimiles and forgeries from the Confederate States of America issues of 1861-1863. This lot contains all 12 stamps of the Springfield facsimiles, plus sets of 12 and 14 different stamps that should only be regarded as forgeries since they were not printed from the original printing plates. All of these 38 stamps have a Facsimile marking on the back, even though the marking is rather faint on the Springfield facsimiles."

I asked him how he could verify that the "Springfields" were the real deal. He assured me that he had personally removed them from a Tasco booklet.

Of course they did not have the correct (varied) styles of Facsimile backstamps as seen on "genuine" Tascos, but even more revealing, none of the items had ever been hinged!

Fakes of fakes, and fakes of fakes of fakes.

There's an auction of a Tasco T-6 CSA booklet within minutes of closing right now, and it's going to sell for more than $56.00. We're supposed to believe that a seller will buy the booklet, strip out the stamps, and sell them for less than $10.00. That HAS to be what's happening, because these guys have limitless supplies.

Duh!

-Carl

"Lose a little on every deal but make it up in volume."
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-04-07 at 16:28:46 PST   Listings
infla-alec, Thanks again for answering.

yea, the rose was not created until 1862, but according to Scott's, they never re-printed that 3 blue ONCE during the 1850's. They print the 3 blue first in 1949, but don't reprint it for 12 years even though they print: 1, 6, 9 12 and 18??? Why? Does Michel have a 3 blue from the 50's?
I have a pair of imperfed 3 blues on a cover without a line between, but with a line surrounding two sides. I wish I had an image of the entire press sheet of the '49 blue. That would really help if anyone knows where I can find one.

Katrina
Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-04-07 at 16:04:05 PST   Listings
Jim Lawler… The “Eagle and Thunderbolt” cancel was used for about three hours on January 2, 1895. It is the most valuable of all machine cancels, although not the rarest. It was reused in the 1970s as a gimmick cancel at some expo or other, but those examples aren’t worth anything.

Jim
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-04-07 at 14:20:00 PST   Listings
richintalent

The Ruanda Urundi overprints are in volume 5 of Scott, under Ruanda Urundi.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-04-07 at 14:09:44 PST   Listings
> Katrina The Bayern 3 Kreuzer rose or red was not issued until 1862.
There seems to be some confusion as to what constitutes a gutter on the imperf Kreuzer values. I don't have any saved scans to show but I'm almost certain there would be a large white gap between two stamps.Michel states this gap to be 13.5 mm.

The sheets were printed in four groups of 45. This making a complete sheet have 180 stamps.

Somewhere I do have saved images of multiples of the imperf Kreuzer values showing quite clearly the dividing lines. But those I'd need to search for. But from memory there are thin horizontal lines dividing the stamps and thicker vertical lines. It was these lines that were the guide lines for when stamps were cut from the sheets.

I forget who it was here that specializes in the old German States. But perhaps they will read this and care to comment.
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Dec-04-07 at 14:06:07 PST   Listings
oggilby So true! A great many of CSA stamp auctions are written to appeal to the dabblers in CSA items, not the stamp collector. If a cover still has an enclosure with mentions of war news, look out! The prices will be insane and illogical.

The sad thing is so many are terribly misleading. The "noble" powerseller that tried to sell the vast "John C Calhoun" collection. An album consisting of hundreds of stamps, lovingly compiled by none other then Calhoun himself (a guy who DIED when there was all of TWO US stamps known). The seller who spun the fantastic story of a perfect condition stamp plate washing up an a Florida beach 100 years later. The goof who adamantly insisted a letter addressed to a little known Lee relative was written by Lee himself, (despite it being signed by a woman in AL). That seller also insisted the brown stain on the item was none other than Lee's own blood -- and in the future DNA scientists will thus be able to whip up a genuine Lee clone for you. The seller I contacted who called me an idiot, and insisted ALL catalogs ever published are dead wrong, just because the cover she was auctioning had a CDS canceling the stamp....dated more then a year EARLIER then the stamp was first printed. (it CAN'T be a fake - it was in grandpappy's collection).

The fun never ends in the CSA listings. Anywhere else this sort of comedy comes with a requisite two drink minimum. Here on EBay, we get it for free. :o)
Posted by richintalent   ( 156 ) on Dec-04-07 at 13:27:17 PST   Listings
I have several Belgian Congo stamps from the 20s with a 'Ruanda-Urundi' overprint- could these be forgeries? I can't find them in my Scott album from 1950.
Posted by balkania05   ( 600 ) on Dec-04-07 at 13:16:23 PST   Listings
Hello every one,
Have a nice and large collection, stamp meter cuts, old ones . Question : It's any difference between a red meter stamp and a brown meter stamp with the same face value, same post office and same day and year? The meter stamps colour in that time for the post offices was a choice of the post offices clerks? Thank you
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-04-07 at 12:53:20 PST   Listings
Balkania05, first number is horizontal.
Posted by balkania05   ( 600 ) on Dec-04-07 at 12:47:17 PST   Listings
Question :
In scott Catalog when perforation is 11 X 10 or 11 x 10.5 , the first number is the horizontal perforation or the vertical?
Posted by oggilby   ( 1242 ) on Dec-04-07 at 12:41:52 PST   Listings
Thanks thebriguy1! With your advice and opinions , I've acquired a few nice CSA's. It seems to be that the CSA stamp seller market is set up to appeal to the CSA artifact buyers, who will spend a lot for almost anything CSA and not the postal collectors!
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Dec-04-07 at 12:39:09 PST   Listings
Sorry......I'm in one of my sadistic torture the sellers moods again.

Today I lost a customer to a competitor. Usually I prefer for these sort of things to happen the other way around. I never have learned to lose gracefully........
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Dec-04-07 at 12:32:48 PST   Listings
.....and the laugh of the day goes to this one. Its baaaaaaack! Oh its genuine alright, and it DOES have a catalog value of over $500. Unfortunately I doubt the catalogs ment that to extrapolate to faded, dirty, cut into margin stamps with a massive crease so severe, if you sneeze while holding it -- you'd likely have an instant pair of off cover bisects. On the other hand the seller asserts it has a "clear cancel" HUH??? Why its one of the "nicest ones he's ever seen!"..... which amazingly, is a claim that doesn't inspire much confidence.....

Of course EBay LOVES this stamp. Its one of those perpetually listed again, and again, and AGAIN, each time for a fractionally less BIN amount, the seller hoping to find a nibble as he trolls it around sucker fishing.

When it gets down to a BIN of $1.19.....I'll buy it. :o)
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Dec-04-07 at 12:11:47 PST   Listings
ogillby Congrats of your win. I however, am the sadest variety of philatelist known, specifically, a POOR one. I never really intended to snipe your cost up (to bad that other guy did). I collect CSA cancel strikes, I've got multiple Mobile examples already.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1443 ) on Dec-04-07 at 12:03:50 PST   Listings
paperhistory

Yep!, it’s the Boston "eagle and thunderbolts" machine. Any details on time of use?

Bob in WA (rclwa)
THANKS! Exactly what I was looking for on the Boston “eagle and thunderbolts” experimental machine.

220man
That’s one of the books I’d intended to borrow. Anyone know of an online site that might help me identify the original NYFM cancels that inspired or influenced the modern cancels?

Thanks for your time,

Jim L.
Posted by stamps-4-ever   ( 134 ) on Dec-04-07 at 11:32:46 PST   Listings
Could someone help in directing me to Japanese, San Francisco, Shanghai Bilingual and Manila, Phillipines cancels so I can compare the ones I have.
Posted by rclwa   ( 982 ) on Dec-04-07 at 11:31:22 PST   Listings
Jim -- This, perhaps?

http://www.machinecancel.org/forum/eagle/eagle.html

Bob in WA
Posted by balkania05   ( 600 ) on Dec-04-07 at 10:53:29 PST   Listings
Hello every one,
Have a nice and large collection, stamp meter cuts, old ones . Question : It's any difference between a red meter stamp and a brown meter stamp with the same face value, same post office and same day and year? The meter stamps colour in that time for the post offices was a choice of the post offices clerks? Thank you
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Dec-04-07 at 10:43:32 PST   Listings
manhattanconcepts...The server at iusc.org seems to be down. It's almost certainly temporary. Try again in a bit.
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-04-07 at 10:38:11 PST   Listings
The link in the yellow box below that explains to people how to put a link on this page does not link to anywhere, Woops! so if you want to link a link don't try to link to this link to find out how to link to your link.

Katrina
Posted by oggilby   ( 1242 ) on Dec-04-07 at 10:06:12 PST   Listings
Greetings from windy Central Maryland, where trees are down, leaves are amok, and plastic grocery bags think they are hot air balloons, plus a few flurries.

thebriguy1--where was your last minute snipe? (hee-hee)

Jaywild--Got a Utah quarter yesterday at the bowling alley, please keep your eyes peeled.
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Posted by philaweb   ( 351 ) on Dec-04-07 at 06:13:37 PST   Listings
Good Morning/Day/Afternoon/Evening!
Posted by 220man   ( 164 ) on Dec-04-07 at 06:11:45 PST   Listings
Jim: For NYFM, see: http://reviews.ebay.com/NEW-YORK-FOREIGN-MAIL-CANCELS_W0QQugidZ10000000001984461

Posted by paperhistory   ( 1991 ) on Dec-04-07 at 05:23:11 PST   Listings
jim: Are you thinking of the Boston "eagle and thunderbolts" machine?

The flags with the "football" star arrangement are called "ovate" flags. I'm not sure of the reasoning behind the arrangement -- which appears contemporaneously with a much larger quantity of more routine-looking flags -- or the rationale in its distribution. Quite a few were used in Boston but they were also used in many other places. A copy of the Flag Cancel Encyclopedia would be your best reference for those.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1443 ) on Dec-04-07 at 02:15:46 PST   Listings

balkania05
Sorry, but I did not get back to my computer before that duck lot closed. With my slow, noisy land lines I gave up and closed the window when I saw that the lot had closed. I probably could not have answered your question as the Duck stamps are not an area I collect.

Classic cancels help needed
I’m back from Stamp Club meeting and forgot to borrow a friends book on classic cancels.
I’ve been working on a project for far too long. There are about 25 cancels I’d like some info on. They are modern cancels that may be based on classic cancels. Can someone direct me to a web site that covers the N.Y. Foreign mail cancels. I’ve about a dozen I want to compare.
I also would appreciate a link to a site with info on the Baltimore “electric” eagle cancel.
Then there’s a flag type cancel with the stamps arranged in a football shape that intrigues me. Could someone help me learn more?
There are a couple more, but I suspect that this is enough for now.

Jim L.


member
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-04-07 at 01:43:38 PST   Listings
Woops! there are lines...
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-04-07 at 01:43:13 PST   Listings
Katrina, sorry, obviously there lines between each stamp, I have them too. Michel simply doesn't say so. But only the horizontal division between groups of 45 had double lines.

There's more but I have to go now. Nice covers!

Posted by 22028   ( 1668 ) on Dec-03-07 at 20:36:29 PST   Listings
Woops! kid = kit
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-03-07 at 20:33:17 PST   Listings
Woops! 1950=1850

Katrina
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-03-07 at 20:31:59 PST   Listings
bjourmu

These are not my covers... wish they were, but look at the lines surrounding the 3 blue and 6 brown. 9 green too, all from after 1950.

Not mine

Katrina
Posted by 22028   ( 1668 ) on Dec-03-07 at 20:04:32 PST   Listings
In regard to my question a few days ago for photo corners and the advertisement in "The American Philatelist", I now have received a recent issue of the magazine. The company i was referring to is called "Kristal Kare"..., the advertisement is on page 946 of the October 2007 issue and page 1034 of the November 2007 issue. A free sample kid can be ordered.
Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-03-07 at 18:37:38 PST   Listings
bjourmu

okay, but I don't see a 3 kreuzer blue after 1849. I think they changed it to pink or rose in 1850. Correct?

katrina
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3826 ) on Dec-03-07 at 16:31:32 PST   Listings

New addition to my US commemoratives on cover collection.

Jeff-raff

Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-03-07 at 15:07:12 PST   Listings
briguy Seems to me I ran across a lot a day or so ago that was a very late use of a US stamp by a state that had long since joined the CSA, but cant remember the details. I doubt if its the one youre talking about though. Be sure and show us once you win it. Youve got me all excited!!

Im sure you will find the TEN CENTS stamp I linked to earlier, it being in the right category and all. If not I will email you the number since I will not be competing for it.

Jim
Posted by red-dog9   ( 3398 ) on Dec-03-07 at 14:13:22 PST   Listings
I've reported him already!!!!
Posted by oggilby   ( 1241 ) on Dec-03-07 at 14:09:09 PST   Listings
Can there be a more blatant SPAM!!!!! I won't even mention the Red letters!

Posted by lluehhhb   ( 318 ) on Dec-03-07 at 12:24:37 PST   Listings
Just don't forget to post it here once it's finished!
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Dec-03-07 at 11:55:35 PST   Listings
As it is...there is a horribly misdescribed CSA item floating around EBay right now....with no bids. Been watching it patiently......waiting....my snipe muscles tensed like a jaguar as its defenseless prey mindlessly ambles towards it.

Forget trying to find this one. Its SO BADLY misdescribed (but genuine), that you'll never find it in time. I just hope, man oh man do I hope,...that I happen to be the only one salivating right now. Seeing I only uncovered its existance by accident, only feeds this hope.

Hope seems to be a constant in philatelic circles......
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Dec-03-07 at 11:45:25 PST   Listings
Jaywild Not only could be, it IS real! Its a first printing too.

Oggilby Yes, those are real too. I'm sure the ghostly shadow of adhesive off to the right is whats troubling you. No clue what that is. Very little to gain for a nefarious type faking a cut corner with a pair of less then full margins #7's however. Mobile is a very common CSA strike too.

Word of advice though. Nip the auction images and plop them here seperately. Otherwise the massive and highly alert legions of lurkers we have on this chat, are apt to join in and spoil your snipe party. As it is, I'll likely see you there. LOL! :o)
Posted by rclwa   ( 979 ) on Dec-03-07 at 11:28:26 PST   Listings
For whoever it was here who collects POINTING HANDS, lot 360000476420 is a type I haven't seen before. Just a friendly heads up, I've no association with seller.

Bob in WA
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-03-07 at 11:11:49 PST   Listings
Katrina, from 1850 there is no mention of any "lines between" so presumably they were printed in sheets with just two 5x9 blocks. And I think this also means that only the top or bottom of an 1849 stamp might have an extra line. Which should not be confused with parts of the next stamp...


Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 9 ) on Dec-03-07 at 10:30:50 PST   Listings
bjornmu,

Manhattan is my stamp alias. Sorry for the confusion.
Thanks so much for the information. So, the gutters between the 4 blocks are both vertical and horizontal, there is only one of these gutters in each direction, beyond 1949 all lines between are thin, pairs would never have lines on all four sides because they are within one of these four blocks therefore only one or two of the edges of any one stamp would have a line?

Katrina
Posted by oggilby   ( 1241 ) on Dec-03-07 at 10:26:51 PST   Listings
jaywild--Great minds sort of think alike, (how it should have read)
Posted by oggilby   ( 1241 ) on Dec-03-07 at 10:24:54 PST   Listings
,b.Jaywikd--Great minds sort of think alike, I was just ging to ask briguy about this one!
Posted by jaywild   ( 1028 ) on Dec-03-07 at 10:14:48 PST   Listings
briguy Can this possibly be genuine?

Jim
Posted by oggilby   ( 1241 ) on Dec-03-07 at 10:04:24 PST   Listings
Greetings everybody, from a breezy, hold onto your hat,getting colder (44 F) Central MD!!

Sent the last four days arguing with Dell to send me a new hard drive for my 2 year old Dimension. After three previous bouts of the company standard "reload your boot disk", they sent me a new disk, but with an incompetent installer, who put in the new drive, started the boot disk and then left. I ended up using my VERY limited computer knowledge to get all needed software loaded and get my Dell up a running again. Maybe now I qualify as a Dell technician problem solver page turner.

Knud-Erik--Great Sudentenland pages, I didn't know that all those overprints existed. I'll have to post my "Schicklegruber" that my dad wrote "Kaput" on the selvedge. He must have raided a postal office somewhere in Germany near the end of the war. Too, bad he didn't know anything about postal history, oh my what I could have had added to my collections!
Posted by 22028   ( 1666 ) on Dec-03-07 at 09:13:09 PST   Listings
As a small thank you to the old collector who had sent me the Iraq Railway card, I have written a guide on ebay. Will also inform APS about it.
http://reviews.ebay.com/American-Philatelic-Society-Thank-you_W0QQugidZ10000000004717648
Posted by bjornmu   ( 956 ) on Dec-03-07 at 07:22:58 PST   Listings
manhattan or whoever: no there were 45 stamps in each group, don't know if it was 5x9 or 9x5. The horizontal separation (i.e. btw top and bottom halves) was either 1 or 2.5mm wide and had two thick lines in it. The vertical separation was 13.5mm wide and had no lines.

The sheets were supposed to be cut between the thick lines but this didn't always happen. Michel Spezial includes prices for pairs, horizontal pairs with gutter (always folded) and singles with thick lines. Vertical pairs with thick lines between are extremely rare.

The above is for the 1849 issue; the 1850 doesn't have the thick lines.
Posted by lluehhhb   ( 318 ) on Dec-03-07 at 06:04:20 PST   Listings
Congratulations Rainer!
Posted by balkania05   ( 596 ) on Dec-03-07 at 04:59:51 PST   Listings
GOOD MORNING EVERY ONE FROM NEW YORK STATE. GOOD MORNING AMERICA!
Posted by balkania05   ( 596 ) on Dec-03-07 at 04:59:00 PST   Listings
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120192266870&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=002
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1441 ) on Dec-03-07 at 04:48:58 PST   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


balkania05
Sorry, but that link does not get me to any duck stamps. I end up at the "Items I'm Selling" page.

Jim L.


member
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 536 ) on Dec-03-07 at 04:06:31 PST   Listings
Oh, Rainer, that is really nice to hear. See, writing articles really does make others aware of your collecting interests.
Well done!

Linda
Posted by 22028   ( 1666 ) on Dec-03-07 at 03:52:09 PST   Listings
Today I have received again a parcel with mail which was accumulated over the recent weeks at my home in Germany. Included in the parcel was a letter from an 82 year old collector. He has read my Iraq railway article in the October issue of The American Philatelist and remembered a card he had in his possession for 71 years. The Post card is franked with an Iraq railway stamp, sent by a friend of his father (he know that he collect stamps) to his father who past it on to him. Will send him a nice Christmas card as thanks