eBay chatboard archive: Feb-18-08 to Feb-24-08 week

Posted by dbenson   ( 8872 ) on Feb-24-08 at 23:57:24 PST   Listings

do you have Michel Germany Specialised, it gives a listing of the various types as well as many positional varieties,

David B.
Posted by lloydstamps   ( 617 ) on Feb-24-08 at 22:35:06 PST   Listings
Jaywild: Thanks. I'll bookmark that page.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8872 ) on Feb-24-08 at 22:32:20 PST   Listings

if English is not your first language you should use the Ebay site which is,

David B.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 20:38:33 PST   Listings

for Shipping enter what ever amount you
feel it will cost you.

where are you located
your location Might affect
what you want to charge
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 584 ) on Feb-24-08 at 19:58:37 PST   Listings
KUMARA. first you need to learn to spell and type correctly so prospective buyers will be able to read your auctions, and find your stamp.
Then, you must go to the eBay Site Map (at top of page), and register as a seller, and learn from there how to sell by reading the links and doing the Sellers Tutorial.

After you have done that, you can scan your stamps, write your descriptions and upload them to eBay.
Posted by kumara503   ( 0 ) on Feb-24-08 at 19:48:10 PST   Listings
I wont to sell my stamps. i jest wont to post how by. i can,t finesh my sell form becoues they wont to kwon how to sipping. plese help me to start to sell.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-24-08 at 19:39:15 PST   Listings
A pompous American?

Posted by mini*lindy   ( 584 ) on Feb-24-08 at 19:16:25 PST   Listings
12345etc..don't be such a Pompous A
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-24-08 at 18:33:51 PST   Listings
"any" should be "most"
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-24-08 at 17:45:29 PST   Listings
KRUGERODD Welcome to the chat room ,I don't believe any of the people who regular post here would even know what your talking about .

The control line is a very specialized field .Can you link a picture of what your talking about ,or I can link one to show new readers and collectors .

Posted by iomoon   ( 1062 ) on Feb-24-08 at 15:34:28 PST   Listings
Just came in from the garden.

The Turkey Vultures are back.

Two weeks early.

Another sign of global warming?
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 15:03:49 PST   Listings

it seems like c-6
the number of holes is 2x
Posted by brad   ( 551 ) on Feb-24-08 at 14:58:37 PST   Listings
Roger, thanks for additional info on those Swiss issues
Posted by wrd3   ( 104 ) on Feb-24-08 at 14:54:05 PST   Listings
due2cents it's possible the perfin is a double punch of one of the two Carter White Lead perfin patterns - it would have to be C6, given the diamond shape and the diagonal lines of your pattern. C5 and C6 are for the Carter White Lead Company .... C5.5 is unidentified as to user.

Bill D.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 14:27:33 PST   Listings
or maybe

Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-24-08 at 14:26:31 PST   Listings
Roger… If you clean your keyboard as Bill S suggests, perhaps take a picture of the board before you pop the key caps off. I know I couldn’t reassemble a keyboard from memory, even though I touch-type (more or less—a couple fingers don’t work as well as they used to, and have been dispensed with for this purpose…)

Lindy... I ran my DSR rating and it’s zero. I haven’t sold anything in years, long before they implemented the Detailed Seller Ratings.

krugerodd... Try looking up your stamps here. Site courtesy of Bill Claghorn.

Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 14:25:27 PST   Listings

try here

Posted by krugerodd   ( 18 ) on Feb-24-08 at 14:06:59 PST   Listings
I have bought some small collections of Saar stamps and have started to check for different types. I use Scott and find for Scott # 1 -17 that there are 3 types. Among my stamps there is one type where the overprint is 10.5 mm and not 10.7 without control marks under. Do anyone know about a websource for forgeries on this?
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 584 ) on Feb-24-08 at 13:16:51 PST   Listings
Don't know if any of you have checked this out yet, I'm not sure how useful it is, but this is a site to check out the DSL rating of various eBay sellers. (DSL is the little yellow star ratings, which, soon, will determine where a sellers items show up on SEARCH. The higher the sellers ratings, they go to the top of searches, the low seller ratings, their items go to the bottom of the search!)


Posted by billsey   ( 889 ) on Feb-24-08 at 13:15:00 PST   Listings
Roger, I have cleaned many keyboard over the years. If you carefully pry off all the key caps, you can put them into a mesh bag and clean them in the dishwasher. In addition, you can usually take the keyboard apart and wash all the pieces in a dishwasher as well. Just make sure everything is thoroughly dry before reassembling it!
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 12:03:03 PST   Listings
I needed this one with the reply half still attached
Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-24-08 at 11:27:35 PST   Listings
Jaywild -
Thanks for the link to the preview page. I see myself using that in the future. Now for an automatic spellchecker that doesn't require one to look at screen after typing text. Gees, I can't wait to get a new keyboard, every key is starting to stick. The "V" key even stays down, and the delete doesn't always operate. There will be a Kensington going to the dump in the near future. I did remove the Caps Lock key and beliieve it or not my speed has increased significantly.

Swiss Razor Cancels
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-24-08 at 10:18:32 PST   Listings
Lloyd… There is a way to preview your messages prior to posting…

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3917 ) on Feb-24-08 at 10:10:36 PST   Listings

gran- if complete sheets then try it, if not use them for postage

Posted by chrisfrary   ( 1259 ) on Feb-24-08 at 10:10:26 PST   Listings
OK, consensus is to use them and so I will! Thanks all of you for your help! Grann poof
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1474 ) on Feb-24-08 at 10:10:11 PST   Listings
Posted by iomoon   ( 1062 ) on Feb-24-08 at 10:09:24 PST   Listings

If you were to sell them as a sheet of 35, the absolute most anyone is going to pay for them is $10.15 since they will also have to pay your S&H. Likewise a strip of five might bring you $1.45 to which you deduct eBay fees and Paypal transfer fee. It ain't worth the effort. Use them for postage!!
Posted by chrisfrary   ( 1259 ) on Feb-24-08 at 10:02:16 PST   Listings
Jaywild: Thanks for the advice. Back to my earlier question. Were I to try to sell the Olympics Stamps from 1992 would it work to sell as a sheet of 35 or to sell them as strips of 5. Grann lurking
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 09:59:49 PST   Listings
I have had a couple control Perfins on cards
but Due to the overwhelming demand
and instant kinda cashiness
I do not have them long when i do find one.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 09:58:14 PST   Listings
I may be wrong
but on the control perfins
not a design but the
of numbers made by pin placements in a box area

. .

Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 09:55:23 PST   Listings
Perfin ?
This stamp
HERE Is on a advert postal
Carter White Lead Paint Company

I have seen this card before
is this a Double punched version of their Perfin

Posted by lloydstamps   ( 617 ) on Feb-24-08 at 09:32:28 PST   Listings
I wish there were a way to preview messages before saving them
Posted by lloydstamps   ( 617 ) on Feb-24-08 at 09:31:34 PST   Listings
AFDCS Receives $2,000 Grant For Education Programs

http://www.dragoncards.biz/art/AFDCS4.gif" ALIGN="RIGHT">The Martin Sosin/Stratton-Petit Foundation has awarded a $2,000 grant to the American First Day Cover Society (AFDCS) for its youth education program. The money will be used to promote youth cachet design and other youth activities.

It's the third year in a row the AFDCS has received a grant from the foundation.

"As Youth Coordinator for the American First Day Cover Society, I am thankful for the grant award which will help perpetuate education of our youth and instill future interest in our wonderful hobby," said Lee Taylor.

"In previous years, the grant money from the Martin Sosin/Stratton-Petit Foundation has been used to purchase art supplies and stamps for the creation of commemorative and first day covers," Taylor added. "The youth become interested cachetmaking through contests sponsored by local chapters of the American First Day Cover Society."

Each year, the AFDCS and its chapters sponsor the "Every Cover Has A Story" contest, which students taking a single philatelic cover and writing a one-page essay about it. The winning entries are displayed at the Society's annual convention, Americover, and the top entrant receives a Junior Membership in the AFDCS.

"Participation in these contests has steadily increased over the past three years with many young people entering repeatedly throughout the years," Taylor said.

The Society also has an active youth table at each Americover, with games, cachet-making opportunities and guidance from adult philatelists, many of whom have degrees in education.

In addition, two categories in the AFDCS' annual Cachet Contest are reserved for children.

The American First Day Cover Society, with more than 2300 members worldwide, promotes the study and collecting of FDCs, commemorative envelopes that serve as "birth certificates" for stamps. The stamps are affixed to the envelopes, and then postmarked on the first day they are available for sale.

The AFDCS was founded in 1955 and now has more than 48 chapters in the U.S. and Australia. Besides its annual convention, the AFDCS publishes reference materials, handbooks, produces its own first day covers (while encouraging members to produce their own), holds several auctions each year, and conducts the largest meeting and show dedicated to FDCs in the world. It also publishes the award-winning journal First Days eight times a year.

For more information about the AFDCS, visit its Web site at www.afdcs.org or write to the AFDCS at P.O. Box 16277, Tucson, AZ 85732, e-mail AFDCS@aol.com
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-24-08 at 09:12:31 PST   Listings
Grann… Yes, just use those stamps to spice up your mail. Virtually no US stamps printed after 1930 have any more than face value.

Bill D... Nice perfins. How were the control marks manipulated to create specific designs? Did the company order the coil stamps from Schermack, or was there a way to set the perfin design when the stamps were purchased from an automated dispensing machine?

Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-24-08 at 08:57:44 PST   Listings
Roger… But the margin is “just touching” the frameline—the inside of the frameline.

And poor Helvetia! That fright wig makes her look like one of these

Posted by chrisfrary   ( 1259 ) on Feb-24-08 at 07:21:15 PST   Listings
I have some of the 1947 3 cent stamps. Maybe a good way to add to some old 39 centers to make the new May rate of 42 cents. Grann
Posted by chrisfrary   ( 1259 ) on Feb-24-08 at 07:19:10 PST   Listings
Yes, Due, I have been thinking I will do that with some of these. No other suggestions? Grann lurk
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-24-08 at 07:16:56 PST   Listings

i use them on packages
Posted by wrd3   ( 103 ) on Feb-24-08 at 07:15:49 PST   Listings
stamps12345 if you have the US specialized catalog, in the section of "Vending and Affixing Machine Perforations" it states "Perfins listed here are punched into the tamp at the same time as the perforation. The most common pattern consisted of a 7mm square made up of nine holes. Pins would be removed to create unique perfins for each company using the machines." These are the control holes I mention .... in the catalog they are listed as "with perforated control mark". The stamp in the lot I linked earlier is shown here. Note it is part of a 4 x 4 pattern, not the more common 3 x 3 pattern, which is part of why it is scarce.

Listening to NPR on the way home from work Friday I thought of you ..... they had a story about the potholes in the Chicago streets and the amount of damage they do to cars.

Bill D.
Posted by chrisfrary   ( 1259 ) on Feb-24-08 at 07:10:31 PST   Listings
I'll come back. Grann poof
Posted by chrisfrary   ( 1259 ) on Feb-24-08 at 07:05:19 PST   Listings
Good morning. I usually lurk over at Q&A board. Happened upon a cache of never used U.S. stamps yesterday that I purchased in the 1990s, thinking they might be interesting. Three sheets of 35 stamps each are from the 1992 Summer (1) and Winter (2) olympics. My question: it is better to try to sell the full sheet of 35 stamps or to take them apart and sell strips of 5? I have other questions, but this will do for first question. Grann
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-24-08 at 06:53:24 PST   Listings
BILL D. Thanks for the heads up on my daugthers engagment.----will try to post a picture .

What are control holes on the Shermack stamp? ,

Posted by wrd3   ( 103 ) on Feb-24-08 at 06:36:23 PST   Listings
NOIP some more perfins I got on eBay this past week: this lot has an A+ rated Shermack with control holes. I've received that lot and the stamp is fault-free. I took a chance on this lot. The resolution of the image isn't very good, but I think it has a B+ perfin, P25.5, as opposed to the similar patterns. I'm looking forward to receiving it (hopefully this upcoming week) to confirm.

Bill D.
Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-24-08 at 03:48:14 PST   Listings
"Well Roger, that was all very interesting. If Benson hadn't interrupted you would have had 6 posts in a row."

"He was doing his duty."

"Do you consider your discourse an open discussion, or a debate of one?"

"Guess I'll just go to bed before someone else interrupts and say "Hi" tomorrow. Aloha All"

Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-24-08 at 03:42:39 PST   Listings
This =
Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-24-08 at 03:39:43 PST   Listings
This arrived in the mail today. I have to work up the rate. It is linen fabric printed and used as label. I've not seen this type of item previously.

and I bought this today. A nice addition to my exhibit of Swiss Razor Cancels.
Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-24-08 at 03:25:11 PST   Listings
David -

And my typing is only marginally legible. Sorry folks, I just got home from work and wanted to contribute before sleeping in tomorrow morning.

Did anyone ask, "Roger, do you like collecting Swiss stuff?" LOL
Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-24-08 at 03:21:27 PST   Listings
I forgot to mention that the threads were imbedded in th epaper on theback. What are the possible variations?
Single thread -
A dye missing in green threads resulting in either blue or yellow colored thread.
Thread pulled out meaning one must know characteristcs of printing. A few stamps are impossible to identify if thread missing because they came from same printing plate.

Two threads -
Nice variety. Threads will be at top and bottom, spacing got screwed up in printing process. (Should always be one thread per stamp. )

Green thread and grill cancel means stamp from early printings. Green thread with CDS means stamp from late printing. Threads of multicolor should be self explanatory.

Thin paper -
A quality control issue where the inspectors pulled thin paper and the sheets were stored in the vualts. Later in late 1855 and 1856 these sheets of stamps wer taken from the vaults and issued as necessary to maintain inventory levels at post offices. The thin paper was not a special printing, therefore, the thickness of the thin HANDMADE paper has no specific thickness other tha nit felt wrong to quality control personnel. Don't buy thin paper varieties unless you really know the other characteristics of the printing! Once you have a few dozen Strubels and have measured them with a micrometer and know the standard p[aper thickness of each issue, then you are prepared to "invest" in thin paper versions. );>)

Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-24-08 at 03:12:56 PST   Listings

your Strubel illustrations are only marginally different,

David B.
Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-24-08 at 03:10:13 PST   Listings
Aloha -

Strubels (1854 - 1862) and Perforated Sitting Helvetia (1862 - 1882) Should not be any chance of confusion if perfs cut off Sitting Helvetias.

Large and small Strubels. Image area is identical. The small stamp is almost worthless and really shouldn't be purchased individually.The stamp on the right is a nice copy with the top left corner just touching the frame line. Do not be fooled that the stamp on the left is "just touching frame" as I 've seen some descriptions on eBay.

Swiss Razor Cancels
Posted by 22028   ( 1688 ) on Feb-24-08 at 02:19:27 PST   Listings
Talking about Strudel.., I still remember the Strudel prepared by my late grandmother..., the used to prepare the Austrian version of Strudel (thin apple slices instead of small apple cubes as in the Munich version)..., to be eaten with warm vanilla gravy which contained egg white flakes.
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-24-08 at 01:13:49 PST   Listings
I used to eat lots of Strudel. The rest I don't know.

Anyone who collects stamps and has a minimum of good sense can perceive the difference between the Swiss Issues of 1854/1862 (called Sitzende Helvetia or better Strubeli: "ruffled up hair") and those of 1862/82 Sitzende Helvetia Gezähant (= Sitting Helvetia perforated). Any discussion on how to find the differences is worthless, in my opinion.

Amongst the latter, here is a new purchase of mine:
block of ten top left sheet margin, positions 1-2, 11-12, 21-22, 31-32, 41-42 in the sheet of 100.
It's the 40c. grey of 1881 (extremely common in unused condition) on granite paper; position 41 show the plate fault of which at Zumstein N. 50.2.01.
Scan Ă  la "assfaul" with certificate below.

Paolo Bagaglia
Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-23-08 at 22:50:55 PST   Listings
Jay, most likely the 1st. stamp the plate was over inked and the 2nd. stamp underinked,

David B.
Posted by 22028   ( 1688 ) on Feb-23-08 at 22:48:22 PST   Listings
APS members.... have you already voted for your favorite article published in the American Philatelist of 2007? Deadline is March 1st.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-23-08 at 20:41:10 PST   Listings
Paul… The stamp you showed was simply poorly printed. Either the paper was too dry or the plate was overwiped. All of the design detail is light—for example, the line around CENTS is absent altogether.

Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 20:24:09 PST   Listings
NEAT FIND ----Found while working on China ,looks like someone try to repair the corner around the "2".. PLATE DAMAGED....paul
Posted by postalviews   ( 4394 ) on Feb-23-08 at 18:34:29 PST   Listings
I have a ca. 1960s Romania imperf that catalogs something like DM 300.- and by direct comparison it is quite clearly larger than a trimmed perfed stamp could be. But it is not in a pair, and it has no wing margins, so nobody wants it. :(
Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-23-08 at 17:34:05 PST   Listings
Generalisations shouldn't be used to determine whether a stamp has been trimmed, each item should be taken on it's merits or demerits. Real Experts (with a capital E) and not so called experts (with a small e) can easily tell whether a stamp has been trimmed,

David B.
Posted by srailkb   ( 3188 ) on Feb-23-08 at 17:12:26 PST   Listings
big_bird, sometimes you can conclusively determine that an imperf is a trimmed perforated stamp. Certain characteristics such as color, design type, die state and/or plating information can be exclusive to one or the other. Also, many trimmed perforated stamps are cut right along the edge of the perf holes to give the largest margins possible. Under high magnification, you can often see evidence of those perf holes, even if it's nothing more than a pressure ridge.

It would be much more helpful if you linked to a good (600 dpi) scan to one of the stamps in question. For example, on the 1851-57 US imperforates, the 5c must be type I and within a specific range of red brown shades. The wrong type or wrong shade and you "guarantee" it's a trimmed 1861, no matter what size the margins are.

Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-23-08 at 17:11:15 PST   Listings

Do you only wish to see Infa covers in the period you like
or all/
Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 17:05:10 PST   Listings
Sorry, I meant to write:
the first and fourth are imperf.

Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 17:04:08 PST   Listings

The second and third stamps are imperfs.

How simple can it be?

Posted by classicbruce   ( 329 ) on Feb-23-08 at 16:59:49 PST   Listings
Paul - yes, they are very different when examined. However, a real newbie might be fooled by trimmed perfs, with no stamps to compare. The more difficult stamps are early Wurttemburgs, that come with and without both silk threads and perfs.

Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-23-08 at 16:55:30 PST   Listings
just being humerous Paolo

a play on woids

strubels-strussel( coffee-cake)
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 16:34:44 PST   Listings
WOW ---None of the experts wanted to agree with me about those SWISS stamps ,guess they only have something to say if im wrong but never if im right .......so lets have the others decide .

I Q test for NEW READERS and COLLECTORS .........Here are both the perforated and unperforated SITTING HELVETIA, if someone cuts the perfs off would you have trouble telling the differance ??????now don't study them too hard ...... DIFFERANCE IN PERF. and UNPERF......paul

Posted by brad   ( 549 ) on Feb-23-08 at 16:28:59 PST   Listings
Thanks to all for the info about the silk threads.

Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 16:14:19 PST   Listings
I believe the stamp on the right is imperf. As Richard Friedburg in his book "Introduction to US revenue stamps" writes "The genuine first issue revenue imperforates are, with the exception those stamps printed in green ink, duller in shade than the later printings of the first-issue revenues."

Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-23-08 at 16:01:27 PST   Listings
Glen… This is the individual who pulled your post. As you can see, he’s not the sharpest tool in the box…

Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:57:40 PST   Listings
Glen… Here is a comparison between a R84c and my “R84a”, at right. The blue bracket is the same size for both stamps, and measures the size of the paper on the imperf one. As can be seen, if the stamp were a cut-down perfed variety, it couldn’t be as tall as it is.

Likewise, the color at the right is typical of first-issue drab colors, while the stamp on the left is much more in keeping with the stronger colors used in later printings which were perforated.

Nevertheless, an expertizer could look at the stamp at right, compare my evidence and yet remain unconvinced.

One of these days I will get around to sending the imperf in for a cert.

Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:54:59 PST   Listings
My posting was reemoved for the following reason:

"Advertising merchandise, auctions, services or commercial Web sites, including
offers to trade, "wanted" posts, or charitable solicitations. For
clarification of this policy, please visit this page:

NOT TRUE, The posting was nothoing of the above.

Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:49:28 PST   Listings
Hello Prometheus,
Would you be so kind as to explain the hidden (to me) meaning of your last assertion?

Kind regards,
Paolo Bagaglia
Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:47:03 PST   Listings
My message on eBay was just removed by them. They didn't like what I had to say. Sorry I said that.

Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:46:33 PST   Listings
MMM Swiss Strubels and a hot cup o joe
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:42:39 PST   Listings
Why do I always step onto this kind of crap?

That is the question!

Kind regards,
Paolo Bagaglia
Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:42:09 PST   Listings
I just sell, not buy, as I find most items for sale are over priced. But the newbes buy,,,(I dont think I know how to spell newbes)
Posted by postalviews   ( 4394 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:39:13 PST   Listings
You guys are making me dream of my long lost Streubels ....
Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:37:23 PST   Listings
I agree. But how does an expert decide that it's an imperf or not?

That is the question. NO?

And what is an expert? I've been collecting stamps for 50 years,. Does that make me an expert?
I guess no as no one knows me. I guess....!!!
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:31:41 PST   Listings
ASSUMPTIONS ------Why don't you read what you posted or better ,why not delete your posting so others don't see your error-------WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SWISS stamps
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:31:38 PST   Listings
Glen… My view of Stamp Wants is that all the dreck-sellers from eBay flocked over there en masse. I have never found anything worthwhile over there, but that’s just my experience.

Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:29:43 PST   Listings
Glen… The important point in verifying imperforate stamps, when all other variables are equal, is that it would have to pass muster with an expertizer. If it can possibly be a cut-down version, it will never get a reputable certificate as an imperf.

For example, this would be very pricey if it were a genuine imperf. All the tests I have done comparing it with perfed types indicate that it is a real imperf, so does the color, but without a certificate I could not honorably sell it as such.

Just my 2¢…

Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:27:36 PST   Listings

that is the imbedded silk thread as seen from the face of the stamp,

David B.
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:26:25 PST   Listings
"VONBAG ------You just gave bad information thats all ,just say it was wrong like a man ,never mind the smart -mouth remarks"

Be silent, do not waste the board space with your blatantly erroneous assumptions.

Paolo Bagaglia
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:24:02 PST   Listings
VONBAG ------You just gave bad information thats all ,just say it was wrong like a man ,never mind the smart -mouth remarks
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:22:12 PST   Listings
"BAD INFORMATION AGAIN " LIKE CLASSIC BRUCE WROTE " wrote????------wrong wrong There is no way a person can misidentify a perf sitting Helvetia for a imperf copy or the other way around ... what is a certain METHOD of telling .....shees ---- what are you saying ......"

An apology or permanent silence are both in order!

Paolo Bagaglia
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:20:32 PST   Listings
...You are making confusion between Glen's question on USA first Issue (about which I know nothing) and what ClassicBruce wrote on Swiss Issues...
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:18:00 PST   Listings
BIG BIRD ----Your right but im thinking as a collector ,as to what I would look for ,its just my view point .
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:16:43 PST   Listings
Stamps12345, take a camomile or be silent.

Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:15:19 PST   Listings
P.S. Brad,
The one you have just shown, the 15 Rappen pink (rosa, in German like in Italian) is very defective, being cut into the bottom part with denomination in Rappen considerably.
Howevere the circular date stamp is interesting,
"CASTASEGNA" double circle with ornament at bottom dated
"23 / FEV. / 61" (23 Februrary 1861).

You can easily notice the relief left by the silk thread by the horizontal riff passing through the C of CENTIMES on the left, and tangent the left of the M of CENTESIMI on the right side.

Cheers, Paolo
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:14:45 PST   Listings
BAD INFORMATION AGAIN " LIKE CLASSIC BRUCE WROTE " wrote????------wrong wrong There is no way a person can misidentify a perf sitting Helvetia for a imperf copy or the other way around ... what is a certain METHOD of telling .....shees ---- what are you saying ......
Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:05:32 PST   Listings

I have been using that logic and refuse to purchase stamps that appear to have margins less then the size of an perforated stamp. However, Imperfs CAN have short margins.

Posted by classicbruce   ( 329 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:04:48 PST   Listings
Brad- that looks like a fine example of a silk thread. The threads are usually fairly thick (like dental floss, maybe), though the silk color is easier to tell from the reverse side...
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:00:56 PST   Listings
BIG BIRD ----Any imperf stamp that is also known with perforations should only be collected or purchased only with margins that exceed the size of the perforated copies.Anything less is questionable .
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:00:34 PST   Listings
Hello Brad,
On Sitzende Helvetia Issues there is always a horizontal silk thread embedded in the paper. Their colours vary, depending on the printings, like ClassicBruce wrote (hello there!).
Position of the silk thread may vary within the stamp as well, and, when removed, there are stamps without the silk thread, which in my opinion should be regarded as defective.
Ruger is the resident specialist on these Issues.

Paolo Bagaglia
Posted by classicbruce   ( 329 ) on Feb-23-08 at 15:00:09 PST   Listings
I have a lot of Swiss, and I've never seen one (an imperf sitting Helvetia) without the silk thread. Nor have I seen a perf sitting Helvetia with a thread, so I believe it's a certain method of telling a cut-down perfed stamp.

The thread varies in placement on the imperfs, but is usually in the middle to upper part of stamp...

BTW,thanks for the Certified advice - I've asked the seller what he means, in the meantime.

Posted by brad   ( 549 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:58:35 PST   Listings
Here is one where I see the line on the front.

It does not seem to be perfectly straight like the edge of a plastic strip on a stock card.
Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:50:25 PST   Listings
I guess what I'm rearly asking is how to do you tell a genuine imperf that has close margins from a perforated one that has been cut down to look like an imperf.

Posted by big_bird   ( 700 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:45:52 PST   Listings
United States first Issue imperforate stamps.

From my research genuine first issue imperforated revenue stamps were printed on hard thin paper. In fact, all first issues were printed on this paper until about 1863 More or less.

I've had collectors return stamps that I considered to be imperf. using this logic, when the stamp had very close margins, stating that they don't believe the stamp is imperf. but may had been cut down.

Any opinions on this.

Posted by brad   ( 549 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:45:02 PST   Listings
Does the position vary up or down significantly? That is to say, does it typically run through the middle of the stamp? Is it possible to find a copy without it, or were the threads spaced such that it hit every stamp?
Posted by classicbruce   ( 329 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:40:17 PST   Listings
Brad - Those Swiss imperfs all have silk threads running horizontally through the paper. Usually they're a greenish color, but other colors exist, and a lot of the stamps' value can depend on the color of the thread. You have to examine them up close with good lighting, and a mag to tell the color, in general.
Posted by brad   ( 549 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:37:38 PST   Listings
Yeah, looking at the backside, although I thought on occasion I could see from the front too. Let me see if I can get a link to a specific example.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:33:50 PST   Listings
BRAD----If its the backside ,it could be the color thread thru the stamp.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:28:22 PST   Listings
The Holder they are in maybe

ROGER will surely chime in on this subject
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:28:20 PST   Listings
BRAD----Is that the edge of the stockpage glassine holding the stamp ?
Posted by brad   ( 549 ) on Feb-23-08 at 14:25:59 PST   Listings
Anyone here knowledgeable about early Swiss issues?

As a novice, looking at the early imperf "Sitting Helvetia" stamps posted for sale on eBay, they all have what appears to be a horizontal file fold, yet no reference to any fault is made. Is this a normal occurrence? Something to do with stamp production?

Posted by iomoon   ( 1061 ) on Feb-23-08 at 13:14:52 PST   Listings

Yep, 4/- would have been the correct postage for a 1 1/2 oz letter from London to Argentina, but the backstamp indicates the piece went the other way.

Gibbons price for a block of four is actually about $7,000.
Maybe seller should invest in a copy of SG!

Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-23-08 at 12:31:35 PST   Listings
Mark, Judging by the cursive Red PAID marking it appears to be an incoming to GB piece with a receiving marking on the reverse. The strip has a London cancel and there is no way that could have originally been on that piece. However it is still a nice and extremely rare item when it is taken from the piece,

David B.
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6516 ) on Feb-23-08 at 12:24:48 PST   Listings
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1061 ) on Feb-23-08 at 12:13:13 PST   Listings

Difficult to tell, since none of the cancels extend to the piece.
That in itself seems "fishy".
Posted by infla-alec   ( 587 ) on Feb-23-08 at 12:05:07 PST   Listings
The describtion from ebay.de isn't one ebay insert. It is part of the changes on .de that sellers have the option of filling in. In theory it is meant to enable ones search options to be more relevant. For example under the category sections for Deutschland you can see to the left side a series of sub search options. "Erhaltung" for example allows one to search specifically for unmounted mint, used, covers, etc and also to search for expertized items etc under the sub heading, "ExpertengeprĂĽft".

Ebay.de does not require any forged material to be marked as such. However sellers are being made aware that unless they state an item is expertized then if someone else can prove the item is a forgery and it is reported as being such with the reasons why then .de has and does in many cases inform the seller to change his description / end the auction accordingly. Failure to do so does result in the offending item being pulled and cancelled without question.

Of course not every forged item listed in .de is detected but I feel their system of stamp management is far better than most of the other ebay sites worldwide.

For those inerested in my own collecting area I have edited all the present content and changed the layout quite a bit. Picture borders have been removed, font size increased, and tables inserted to allow the rates to be read more easily.

I've also added a contact e-mail address if anyone has any questions or just wants help with Infla in general. I'm not saying I am an expert on the whole Inflation era but chances are I can get answers sooner or later.

Yes I know there are still a few periods with too much content on the one page but I can only make the changes as and when I have free time. Sadly that is in short supply at present.

Many may not also know that I am working together with one of the Infla expertizers in Germany gathering as much information and research as possible about this areas postal history. So please if anyone has scans of other covers such as I have shown I'd be most grateful for any scans you can send me of items in your own collection.

OPD 1923
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6516 ) on Feb-23-08 at 11:39:30 PST   Listings
Is this item : 320220654139 an actual strip used on the cover - or have they been added at a later date ? It's a nice strip but just doesn't seem to belong to the piece it's attached to.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-23-08 at 11:09:27 PST   Listings
Claghorn, only items listed on Ebay.US are supposed to be marked although items available to the US should be as well. I suggest you direct your question to the Stamps Manager.Ebay.Com if such a position exists and if he does then he should be marked on the back,

David B.
Posted by kathmoon   ( 419 ) on Feb-23-08 at 10:14:01 PST   Listings
Jaywild: I agree with you about changes generally not being for the better. If you go to "all categories" - then type in: license plates Arizona - you will get a pure listing of 166 Arizona License Plates, without having to look through 1,000s of listings. Nick
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 414 ) on Feb-23-08 at 08:56:08 PST   Listings
D2 If the eBay description is "Reproduction Art" then does the back of the stamp have to be marked?
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 414 ) on Feb-23-08 at 08:54:17 PST   Listings
Interesting way eBay Germany does descriptions:


check it out

Item Specifics - Stamps
Country: Germany
Condition: --
Area: German Fieldpost WWII
Authenticity: Reproduction Art
Catalogue Number: --
Certification: Non certified
Michel Catalogue Value: --
Topic: --
Amount of offer: Single Stamp

This translation is provided as a service. eBay cannot guarantee its accuracy.

Posted by hloop68   ( 323 ) on Feb-23-08 at 08:39:59 PST   Listings
Ebay did the same thing to book sellers several years ago. Basically, they eliminated so many of the categories. It was like looking at just one called category called BOOKS with 100000 items. A lot of sellers left because of this. I'm just waiting for ebay to do the same thing for stamps.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-23-08 at 08:03:44 PST   Listings
NOIP… I sent the following to one of the wigs at eBay, though I doubt it will make any headway amongst the navel-gazers—
One of the things I look for on eBay are “Arizona License Plates”. This morning I discovered there is no longer such a category—Instead I am directed to “Transportation”, with 92,000 lots. (Arizona plates typically contain 100 at any time.) In digging further, I realize that “License Plates” (currently 10,000+ lots) remains as a category, but it cannot be subdivided. I am not going to look through 10,000 lots to see if there are any Arizona Plates among them. In short, this new idea of eBay’s has chased me away from buying license plates through eBay. How long before the Stamps categories are similarly eviscerated?

Every time eBay makes a change in something, it always makes it harder for people to find (and thus buy) anything. Why is that? I hesitate to suggest this, but the question needs to be asked—are there only morons at the top level of eBay?

Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-23-08 at 07:46:55 PST   Listings
NOIP… It’s just not possible for eBay to get any more idiotic.

One of the categories I search is “Arizona License Plates”. Apparently that category exists no more—this morning when I clicked on my link I was directed to “Transportation”, which lists 92,000+ items. (Arizona plates average about 100 at any time.) In digging around I found “License Plates”, but this is no longer divided into functional subcategories. So eBay is now utterly useless for finding one of the things I collect.

Way to go, you stupid, foot-shooting clods.

Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-23-08 at 04:54:55 PST   Listings
NOIP----Still working on China ,very challenging country to collect ,off to work the first nice weekend to work outside.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-22-08 at 21:02:49 PST   Listings
Lindy-Lou… eBay Australia adopted that new “bidder 1”, “bidder 2” format because you guys were in danger of getting hydrazine all over your clothes…

Posted by deh3   ( 2062 ) on Feb-22-08 at 20:31:32 PST   Listings
Could it be that "certified" is a mistranslation of the Spanish word certificado, which means registered?

David H
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 584 ) on Feb-22-08 at 19:58:25 PST   Listings
joecool You can check a Scotts Catalogue at your local library for a start, or take the collection to a local Stamp Dealers shop.
However, generally speaking, collections given to children are usually just run-of-the-mill, common stamps, good for learning about countries, geography, etc. but of no or little $ value.
Scroll back and read some of the links in the BIG YELLOW BOX for more helpful information.

Bruce while it may be a good idea to ask your seller, the majority of people do NOT know what happens to a registered / certified / insured item once it leaves the postal system of their country.

email this week from eBay Australia to say ALL bids on eBay Australia auctions will only show BIDDER 1, BIDDER 2, BIDDER 3 etc. Not just the high value items, but every item will have bidder ID hidden !
This started Yesterday!!

Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-22-08 at 19:24:04 PST   Listings
ok ---read the e-mail and op-out of their new test layout ,sure hope it is not something they are serious about changing .It looked like a mess with a lot less options for watching stuff.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 587 ) on Feb-22-08 at 19:09:34 PST   Listings
Bruce I'm almost certain Spanish Certified mail is sent via registered or at least a tracable delivery system. You also could try asking Ralf whose web site is given below to the Alfonso issues.
But maybe best to ask seller directly what it covers and how the package is sent. Someone here I am sure can speak Spanish if help is needed in translation or knowing what to ask ask in clear Spanish.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-22-08 at 19:05:26 PST   Listings
out drinking with my guys and just got home ,did e-bay screw-up the stamp listings worst then ever before or did I have too much at the bar ?
Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-22-08 at 18:42:59 PST   Listings
Jeff -
It was my understanding the cover up for discussion was the US 1874 Cover to Ontario w 3c Banknote Pair "Due 10" -

I guess I was confusing the discussion of the Grant card with the above cover. My comments refer to the 1874 cover. The Grant card is beyond my knowledge. Though not in this case, some cards sent to Europe circa 1898 to 1907 were taxed becasue there were inconsistant regulaiton pertaining to writing on the address side of the cards. European countries allowed writing after about 1903-04, but the US only allowed after 1907. So there is a windoe for finding foreign cards mailed to the US which were allowed by the European contry but taxed in the US.

I’ll butt out now and mind my own business. )’>)

Posted by joecool427   ( 0 ) on Feb-22-08 at 18:29:30 PST   Listings
Hi everyone, I have a stamp collection that was given to me as a child. I was wondering how I can find out it's value.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3904 ) on Feb-22-08 at 17:43:46 PST   Listings

I don't believe anyone mentioned anything about UPU re the Canada DUE 10 cover.

Posted by classicbruce   ( 329 ) on Feb-22-08 at 16:03:36 PST   Listings
I just won a $225 lot from Spain. Seller only offers Spanish Certified as a form of "insurance & receipt of goods." I've bought from many countries, but the overseas Certified offer is a new one to me (normally it's Registered offered, of course). Does anyone know what a "Spanish Certified" means in the US? Like, will it be treated here in US like a US Certified when it arrives, so my private insurance will cover it (or my own credit card, or Paypal?)
Posted by red-dog9   ( 3600 ) on Feb-22-08 at 15:52:13 PST   Listings
Greetings: On the topic of Ebay's new fee structure, I probably won't get hurt as much as some others. I've always spent the 35 cents/listing to include a gallery picture, so I am actually saving some up front money It's always been my opinion (and others) that a picture is worth a 1000 words. As good as some title descriptions are, nothing grabs a potential bidder like a picture. I'm no different; when I'm scrolling through various stamp or paper money listings, I am immediately drawn to the lots with pictures. The 35 cent savings/listing for me will, to a certain extent, be eaten up by the larger FVF when the lot sells, but hopefully I can at least break even on the new fees.
Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-22-08 at 15:50:56 PST   Listings
Aloha -
Back from Honolulu. Mission accomplished. Shot down threatening satellite and created linar eclipse not visible in Hawaii. Mai tais were great!

Philatelic comment -
Canadian cover or card with 10 cents due. UPU has nothing to do with the rate as UPU officially came into being 1 July 1875. The cover was 1874. I don't know US-Canadian rates but the most likely cause of of due was an overweight cover. Consider that in certain circumstances during that era, no credit was given to any franking on underpaid items, and a double penalty was applied for the correct fees. Bottom line - I don't know, but UPU rates are not a consideration.

Swiss Razor Cancels
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6516 ) on Feb-22-08 at 15:29:53 PST   Listings
Thanks Alec - I'll email him over the weekend.

Posted by iomoon   ( 1061 ) on Feb-22-08 at 14:54:55 PST   Listings
Uh oh,

Cherrystone put up Tristan relief before I can afford it.

Oh well. :-(
Posted by g.1   ( 1176 ) on Feb-22-08 at 14:51:31 PST   Listings
I've been thinking about the recent eBay price hikes for sellers, and have decided that they go way beyond my comfort zone. I've identified two other sites where I think I'll be able to connect with reasonable numbers of buyers. As far as I can see it, the recent changes are designed to tell me that smaller, occasional sellers aren't wanted here any more. I'll hang out in this chat room, and I'll watch for bargains as a buyer, but my days of selling on eBay are, if not over, at least on hold. Too bad -- this was once a great site.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1472 ) on Feb-22-08 at 14:40:23 PST   Listings

Back home from my short break. Got bad news from the local computer store. The computer that I ordered has yet to arrive. The one they told me was shipped ended up being for another customer. It was a lesser machine. So, I continue without having any home web access. Really puts a pinch in doing much on line. :8^(

Jim L.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 587 ) on Feb-22-08 at 12:16:49 PST   Listings
Cobbie I'd try asking the owner of this Spanish Alfonso web site for help. Ralf is German and does occassionaly pop in here. But he does speak very good English and I think can perhaps get you help from Spanish speaking Forums which he frequents.

OPD 1923
Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-22-08 at 11:53:45 PST   Listings

try something like,

MELILLA, 1894 Local de Franquicia militar, tete beche,

I don't know whether that is the correct category but it looks OK,

David B.
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6516 ) on Feb-22-08 at 11:39:21 PST   Listings
Thanks David, never thought of looking on there !

Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-22-08 at 11:27:29 PST   Listings
Cobbie, I would list those if possible on Ebay.Spain where they would easily be found,


David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-22-08 at 11:21:32 PST   Listings

If you go the completion form after filing unpaid item disputes Ebay gives 3 choices. The first choice can be pressed straight away but the others can't be pressed until 8 days after filing if the buyer hasn't responded.

" We've completed the transaction and we're both satisfied.
No Final Value Fee credit will be given and the buyer will not get an Unpaid Item strike. "

" I feel I have no other option but to end communication with the buyer. (Available on the 8th day after dispute is filed or once the buyer responds)
You'll get a Final Value Fee credit and the buyer will get an Unpaid Item strike. "

" We've agreed not to complete the transaction or the buyer is returning the item. (Available after the buyer responds at least once).
If the buyer informs eBay that they agreed, you will receive a Final Value Fee credit and the buyer will not receive an Unpaid Item strike.If the buyer informs eBay that they did not agree, you will not receive a Final Value Fee credit and the buyer will not receive an Unpaid Item strike.You need to wait up to 7 additional days to be eligible for a Final Value Fee credit.
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6516 ) on Feb-22-08 at 11:06:37 PST   Listings
Hi All, I asked this question on another forum but haven't really gotten any replies as to whether these are worth listing. They are an old auction lot from somewhere in Germany with an estimate of DM1000. I need to confirm that this is a valid value before listing as I have my doubts.

Thanks !

I have these stamps from Melilla - Spain which I believe are Spanish Locals.
I've no idea as to the value of these and was wondering if anyone could push
me in the right direction. The pairs are all tete-beche. Picture of stamps
is linked to below :




Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-22-08 at 10:53:36 PST   Listings
postal, unpaid item disputes were filed last Sunday but I can't file the NPB's until next Monday,

David B.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-22-08 at 08:22:34 PST   Listings
Lindy-Lou… Yep, welcome back from me too. I was just wondering last night when we were going to hear from you again. Congratulations on your FIRST PLACE FINISH in Old Inkwells!

That’s quite a bit of driving, more than I could tolerate. That’s what they make planes for…

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3904 ) on Feb-22-08 at 04:51:56 PST   Listings

Hi Linda - welcome back, sounds like you had quite an excursion.

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3904 ) on Feb-22-08 at 04:47:57 PST   Listings

An unpaid item dispute (eBays official term, I used the term non-paying bidder report) can be filed after 7 days and before 45 days have elapsed. This gets them an email letter for each infraction from eBay, each which they have to respond to. Non-paying bidder reports are treated with great interest by eBay.
This locks in your ability to request a final value refund. I just did this process with 4 days to go and it worked wonders.

Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-22-08 at 03:25:58 PST   Listings
postal, can't file NPB's until 8 days after reporting them, the 8 days finish on Monday,

David B.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3904 ) on Feb-22-08 at 00:28:14 PST   Listings

DB - 29 non-paying bidder reports to eBay will have a greater impact

Posted by mini*lindy   ( 584 ) on Feb-21-08 at 22:57:12 PST   Listings
I'm back and I hope you all missed me!! I drove a total of 3618km (thats about 2250 miles), did all the driving myself. Had a great time at the Collectors Club Show in Toowoomba, we won 1st place in Old Inkwells. Took 3 days up and 3 days to drive back, visited friends in Brisbane as well. Only bought one items philatelic, an advertising postcard. I'll scan it tomorrow.

Posted by dbenson   ( 8858 ) on Feb-21-08 at 20:55:57 PST   Listings
I wonder if this will stir the buyer into answering me emails for the 29 lots he bought,

" This is a reminder that on Monday (my time) I will start claiming from Ebay the amount of commission paid on your purchases. I will then be relisting the material,and leaving you feedback for each unpaid item "

David Benson
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-21-08 at 20:11:09 PST   Listings
nomad55… You are correct, Mr Noip! Port Royal was an early Union victory, in Federal hands since November 1861.

Posted by nomad55   ( 961 ) on Feb-21-08 at 19:53:16 PST   Listings
Hi Jaywild, NOIP here with an answer to your question.

Since Port Royal was under Union control, this is a letter from a soldier to his girlfriend in Philly. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Confederacy.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-21-08 at 18:54:38 PST   Listings
NOIP… Anyone know what’s wrong with this lot description?

Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-21-08 at 17:13:27 PST   Listings
Io… That’s where they make these…

Posted by iomoon   ( 1061 ) on Feb-21-08 at 15:24:52 PST   Listings

Mount Juji????
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1472 ) on Feb-21-08 at 12:59:30 PST   Listings
Bookmark for prochute :8^)
Posted by 220man   ( 170 ) on Feb-21-08 at 11:48:03 PST   Listings
Not only that, but take a squint at his other auctions. Big bucks...
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-21-08 at 11:22:43 PST   Listings
NOIP… Anybody know why this lot has attracted so many bids? Despite the claims in the lot description I see no stamps, plus it’s a “private” auction, usually a recipe for mischief, even though the seller provides a flimsy, unconvincing excuse for making his auctions private.

Posted by oggilby   ( 1253 ) on Feb-21-08 at 05:53:05 PST   Listings
Greetings all! Great pictures jaywild! The whole eclipse was visible here in a cold Central MD, but I had my telescope out on the back porch. My daughter (14) was even impressed! The totality was not dark as a few years ago when I lost track of the moon after 10 minute break. Lots of gray & orange tones last night and Saturn really stood out.
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1995 ) on Feb-21-08 at 05:23:36 PST   Listings
jaywild: nice shot -- I wouldn't have noticed the palm tree if you hadn't mentioned it.

I was lucky -- had a good view of totality out of the window on my staircase, so didn't actually have to go outside. (but I did anyway).
Posted by billsey   ( 889 ) on Feb-20-08 at 23:14:42 PST   Listings
It was amazing that we had clear enough skies on the Oregon coast to see it... And had a reasonably good view from about 15 minutes into totality and on through the rest. It was behind trees from our view prior to that.
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Feb-20-08 at 22:15:15 PST   Listings
Crisp clear night for viewing here too. Although I couldn't convince the wife to join me. Perhaps the 5 degrees here (-15 celcius) had something to do with that. Pretty. The sort of thing you don't see everyday. Sadly, no philatelic natives around to shock and extort like Columbus had. Looks like I'm actually going to have to work hard to afford that US #2 on cover. :o(

BTW -- US militry reports they hit that satelite tonight with shot #1. Impressive.

Now go find Osama Bin Laden and vaporize him too.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-20-08 at 21:24:17 PST   Listings
NOIP… Full eclipse, kind of hard to see, my camera is not meant for astronomy. Can anyone see the silhouette of a palm tree below the moon?

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Posted by prochute   ( 69 ) on Feb-20-08 at 19:58:48 PST   Listings
jim lawler
Posted by iomoon   ( 1061 ) on Feb-20-08 at 19:47:25 PST   Listings
Wonderful views here.

Just starting to come out of totality.

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3904 ) on Feb-20-08 at 19:32:52 PST   Listings

nice pics Jim! total cloud blackout here

papadawg - good for you!

Posted by jaywild   ( 1053 ) on Feb-20-08 at 19:09:25 PST   Listings
NOIP… Got these pictures before the clouds came in this evening in Los Angeles…

Posted by nomad55   ( 960 ) on Feb-20-08 at 18:51:29 PST   Listings
We are "total" out here on the left coast.
Very impressive.
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1995 ) on Feb-20-08 at 18:01:35 PST   Listings
Getting a very nice view of the eclipse here in Ohio. Had a nice time looking at the early partial stages while taking out a considerable volume of trash. It is showing very clearly.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1060 ) on Feb-20-08 at 17:30:02 PST   Listings

Nice pick up.

Schooling is everything.

Well, at least being able to spell correctly.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1060 ) on Feb-20-08 at 16:58:44 PST   Listings

A veritable improvement, though I would still prefer to have the image on my own web site rather than having the eBay link with the silly camera image in the lower right corner.

But for free, I'm not going to argue.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-20-08 at 16:56:57 PST   Listings

phooey! - after 2 nights of brilliant moonlight and the coyotes going yelping crazy we are getting a front is which is blackening the sky. No eclipse viewing tonite.

Posted by poppadawg   ( 819 ) on Feb-20-08 at 16:54:26 PST   Listings
NOIP: a good example of doing everything wrong...290206438933
Posted by iomoon   ( 1060 ) on Feb-20-08 at 15:13:46 PST   Listings
Yep Jeff,

looks like totality from about 9pm to 10pm.
And I am right on the edge where the eclipse starts at moonrise.
Australia misses out on this one.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-20-08 at 15:04:02 PST   Listings

IO - looks like about 9pm for us

Posted by dbenson   ( 8852 ) on Feb-20-08 at 14:59:30 PST   Listings

I would like to congratulate Ebay on their decision to include Gallery with every listing, it makes searching much easier and quicker.

David B.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 84 ) on Feb-20-08 at 14:32:37 PST   Listings
Jim Well it's a clear night but I don't think I will bother for 3am. Actually the retired postmaster was an uncle who left them to her Dad, who is 93 and in very good health. Actually only a 45 minutes drive so not that far:-)
Posted by iomoon   ( 1060 ) on Feb-20-08 at 14:09:17 PST   Listings

I hope you don't mind, but I'll clue people in as to what happened.

I have a long-time friend who lives in Alpine but her father, a retired postmaster, still lives in England.
He has a collection of stamps which he did not know the value of.
Peter kindly drove all the way over to his house to make an evaluation of the collection.

BTW I know tonights total lunar eclipse will be visible in England but I assume some awful hour like 3am.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1472 ) on Feb-20-08 at 13:59:10 PST   Listings
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 84 ) on Feb-20-08 at 13:52:32 PST   Listings
Not a problem, confess I thoroughly enjoyed the afternoon. Would have happily spent several days on that lot.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1060 ) on Feb-20-08 at 13:48:16 PST   Listings
Ok, now I got it.

Again, many thanks for your help.
I'm sure Pat appreciated it.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 84 ) on Feb-20-08 at 13:39:40 PST   Listings
Ok I know the problem, sent to your old addy, trying sbcglobal.net
Posted by iomoon   ( 1060 ) on Feb-20-08 at 13:36:05 PST   Listings
Nothing yet Peter.

Posted by greenwave4u   ( 84 ) on Feb-20-08 at 13:10:37 PST   Listings
Posted by alexiosp   ( 254 ) on Feb-20-08 at 12:51:28 PST   Listings
David B.,

Thanks for the reply. I too think it is very hard to find on cover. Lets keep our eyes peeled for more examples!

Posted by paperhistory   ( 1995 ) on Feb-20-08 at 12:41:39 PST   Listings
jeff: the catalog is probably itself worth more than that as a reference work. There have been a few other recent auction sales of gun covers as well, but possibly not as big as this one. (If I recall, Rumsey had a large collection not long ago).

I'm a particular fan of the Hazard Powder covers (with the mallard head bursting through the envelope in a trompe l'oeil design. I watch for them used from Ohio, on the premise that I can sometimes use them to spice up my Ohio machine cancel collection. But I usually decide that they are too expensive.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1052 ) on Feb-20-08 at 11:56:33 PST   Listings
Jeff… Ouch! I saw that lot too, and it took a moment to realize it was only a catalog.

Posted by dbenson   ( 8852 ) on Feb-20-08 at 10:51:14 PST   Listings

according to this list the PO was opened in 1896


I have never come across the cancel and it must be extremely scarce on cover,

David B.
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1995 ) on Feb-20-08 at 09:19:48 PST   Listings
briguy: I'll skip the missile shot -- better things to look at in the sky tonight -- total lunar eclipse. I hope I get some clear sky tonight; would love to show my 4 1/2 year-old daughter (who enjoys pointing out the moon when she sees it, and observes that it follows her when we drive somewhere in the car).
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-20-08 at 09:14:50 PST   Listings

sheesh, I just figured out I bought a catalog, not a cover

Posted by iomoon   ( 1060 ) on Feb-20-08 at 09:08:59 PST   Listings
Bill D

If it is any consolation, Austin is forecast for thunderstorms and rain for the next two days.

However, it will be about 22C.
Posted by alexiosp   ( 254 ) on Feb-20-08 at 08:55:28 PST   Listings
Hi all,
I have a 1904 card from sierra leone to canada with a single ring WILBERFORCE / SIERRA LEONE cds dated AU 20 04. I can't remember seeing one before (and I have seen quite a large number of Sierra Leone village postmarks). Can someone cast some light as to its scarcity?
Thanks, Alexios
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-20-08 at 08:50:42 PST   Listings

too nice to pass up

Posted by wrd3   ( 103 ) on Feb-20-08 at 07:36:10 PST   Listings
stamps12345 today I'm in Minnesota ..... with a high temperature forecast of -3F (-19C), you and the Greek Gods can keep your winter weather. Looking forward to warm sunny Texas.

Congratulations on your future son-in-law.

Bill D.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-20-08 at 06:42:15 PST   Listings
commodities ---{should read my old business card ---dah!!!!}
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Feb-20-08 at 06:39:16 PST   Listings
GREEK GODS Have blessed me again -----Chicago weather has been brutal ---rain,freezeing temp. ,snow ,ice,and more of the same, day after day ,week after week, my biggest problem is keeping track of all the calls that come in to repair the roads and parking lots .State of ILL. also keeps faxing jobs that are urgent to be repaired .

The GREEK GODS also given my oldest daughter a handsome Greek fellow as a future husband .----This is going to be a good year .

COMMIDITY prices are thru the roof and im on the right side .

Still working on China ,that is going to be the a long term project to get all the early issues correct and identified .There are all kinds of varities that Scott 's catalog doesn't mention ,here is a neat find CHINA defect...... off to load my trucks with material and supplies -paul

Posted by 1covers   ( 1375 ) on Feb-20-08 at 05:40:05 PST   Listings
JS - Not my cover and not my description but the 1d is the Hong Kong Colonial postage.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-20-08 at 05:35:38 PST   Listings

Richard - an explanation of the 1d marking on that cover would be helpful to complete its description.

Posted by peterc8888   ( 375 ) on Feb-19-08 at 22:10:17 PST   Listings

Thanks for the link. I will not think of checking there for cancel.

Posted by 1covers   ( 1375 ) on Feb-19-08 at 21:23:19 PST   Listings
Cancel is the same postmark as on the cover here
Posted by peterc8888   ( 375 ) on Feb-19-08 at 20:49:27 PST   Listings

Thanks. It definitely looks like NEWARK.

Posted by jaywild   ( 1052 ) on Feb-19-08 at 20:36:19 PST   Listings
Peter… Looks like NEWARK to me.

Posted by peterc8888   ( 375 ) on Feb-19-08 at 19:35:22 PST   Listings
Is this a Foreign Paid Cancel on US stamp? The words of the cancel looks like NEW A...

Foreign Paid Cancel

Posted by billsey   ( 888 ) on Feb-19-08 at 19:26:01 PST   Listings
Stamp Theft of Oregon Stamp Dealer

On Sunday evening, February 17, 2008, thieves broke into the truck of Tom Kinberg, Stamp Art, of Lincoln City, Oregon. He and traveling buddy dealer Gary Hoecker were on their way home after attending Sno-King Stamp Show in Everett, Washington. They had stopped at Northgate Mall in north Seattle, Washington, for dinner. The thieves popped the locks on the truck and stole both gentlemen’s briefcases, Tom’s suitcase and over $15,000.00 worth of stock. There was nothing of value in Gary’s stolen briefcase. Lost from Tom’s briefcase were $600.00 to $700.00 in checks, Visa sales slips and Tom’s checkbook. He also had $4,000.00 to $5,000.00 worth of stock in his briefcase. This consisted of higher price Canada in dealer stock cards, Hungary souvenir sheets in dealer stock pages, and Swedish stamps on Scott Specialty pages.

The thieves also took a box that contained 11 white boxes of #2 cards holding stamps that were priced and ready to be sorted into his show stock; estimated value is minimum $11,000.00.

If you suspect anyone of trying to sell these items at local stamp shows, to your club members or on Craigslist or eBay, please contact your local police. Seattle police Case Number is 08-063182. You can also contact Tom Kinberg directly by asking me for his phone number in an email.
Posted by figmente   ( 912 ) on Feb-19-08 at 19:15:13 PST   Listings
tom_konik -

buy low, sell high

of course...
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Feb-19-08 at 18:18:08 PST   Listings
I sincerely hope the US Navy doesn't use HTML in its missle launch codes.......
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Feb-19-08 at 18:16:34 PST   Listings
As far as I'm concerned a water glass full of good whiskey can make anything paltable. Be it cold haggis, handfuls of dirt, even the dark brown insect parts flecked adhesive on CSA stamps. Better be a GOOD whiskey though......

Following up on an earlier thread from this week, the USS Lake Erie, an Aegis class cruiser, is set to take a shot at that errant satelite. The show goes live roughly this time tomorrow night. Sadly, they'll be doing this far from most of us with the popcorn, only Roger in Hawaii, stands a decent chance of climbing up on his favorite perch with a 6-pack, and possibly viewing the fireworks.

Story here
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-19-08 at 18:05:35 PST   Listings

When my wife was a flight attendant she was coaching a new-hire. They took a break between services and my wife got out her thermos to pour her refreshment.

New-hire asked "What is that?"

My wife replied, "its a thermos. It keeps hot things hot and cold things cold."

"Oh!" replied the new hire who came on board next flight with her new thermos.

At a break between services with another flight attendant the new-hire retrieved her thermos and poured out her lunch.

The other flight attendant looked at the mess that poured out and exclaimed "What is that??"

New-hire replied all matter of factly, "That's my new thermos, it keeps hot things hot and cold things cold."

The other flight attendant replied, "I know that!. What is it you are eating??"

New-hire replied with a confident grin, "Chicken noodle soup and chocolate ice cream.

Posted by iomoon   ( 1060 ) on Feb-19-08 at 17:43:43 PST   Listings

Never tried hot chicken soup with whiskey.

Doesn't sound too good, but you never know.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-19-08 at 17:28:08 PST   Listings

I tried that whiskey and milk thing back at the end of my drinking days with disasterous results.

I found out I was lactose-intolerant.


Now to find an uprated card of proper dimensions charged as a letter because of the inscription violation.


Apparently no takers on the DUE 10 cover to Canada. There were 2 rate structures, prepaid 6c per half oz and 10c unpaid. The letter was apparently oveweight by one rate and charged for the second weight at the unpaid rate.

And it is actually not a bad price at its listing.


Posted by jaywild   ( 1052 ) on Feb-19-08 at 17:09:47 PST   Listings
Jeff… I just got out that Grant card and my trusty ruler, and by dog, you are right. It measures 3¾ inches by 6⅛ inches, so it exceeds the dimensions both ways.

I stand corrected…

Posted by jaywild   ( 1052 ) on Feb-19-08 at 17:03:51 PST   Listings
Jeff… Yep, we will have to wait for more evidence either way! As a rule I bow to your superior knowledge, but hey, you’re sick, so you could be delirious for all I know.

Castro hung onto that towel as long as he could. No detergent on earth will get it clean…

Posted by iomoon   ( 1060 ) on Feb-19-08 at 16:58:50 PST   Listings

All you need is a glass of hot milk with a "liberal" application of whiskey, just prior to bed.

Forget that chicken soup stuff.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-19-08 at 15:44:50 PST   Listings

Hi Jim - we are reading from the same book.

Table 1 on page 61 lists max PC dimensions of 3-9/16 inches x 5-9/16 inches. Scott lists the card size as 95mm x 155 mm correspondingly. (My cards are in storage and alas not at hand to measure) On overlaying mm and inch scales I get 95 mm to be 3-3/4" and 155 mm to be just under 6-1/8".

Thus each dimension is in excess of the limitations.


The paragraph you cite does begin with the words As far as possible.. which sounds to have too much wiggle room to be a dictate as the dimension matter is specific.

I may be wrong about it, and I am not trying to be right, just want to learn for sure. Lets look out for other examples which may confirm or deny the strength of the UPU endorsement. Perhaps another can lend their knowledge.


I have been laid up sick for 11 of the past 15 days, the last 7 with the flu. Have never been so sick in my life. Today my first day close to human existence. Quite weak and no stamina.


Guess it's time for a clean towel?

Posted by jaywild   ( 1052 ) on Feb-19-08 at 15:11:48 PST   Listings
NOIP… Sounds like Fidel Castro threw in the towel today. I wonder what that will mean in the days to come.

Posted by jaywild   ( 1052 ) on Feb-19-08 at 15:09:38 PST   Listings
Jeff-raff… I’m not sure that Grant card is over sized. Here is that card in question, and here is one from my collection, resized to correspond to the first one. The one from my collection is indeed proper postal card size, and both seem the same size.

Wawrukiewicz’s International Rates says on page 62—
As far as possible, postal cards issued specifically for circulation within the UPU were to bear in front, in the French language, “Carte Postale,” Universal Postal Union (side reserved for the address).

Postal cards . . . not fulfilling . . . the prescriptions prescribed by the Union, were henchforth treated as letters.
This seems the only way that this card could be assessed postage due. The clerk in NY, whether rightly or wrongly, saw that a domestic postal card, instead of the UPU variety available, was used for international mailing.

And Roger, I don’t think there was any unpaid/short paid penalty in effect until almost five months after this card was sent.

Posted by tom_konik   ( 0 ) on Feb-19-08 at 13:57:59 PST   Listings
How does one go about selling dozens and dozens of stamps and/or baseball cards individually and still make a profit. The time and fees seem to eat most of that up. I'm new...does someone have an answer?

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-19-08 at 11:12:03 PST   Listings

Paolo - CYE

Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-19-08 at 11:00:50 PST   Listings
I am taking another long break!

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-19-08 at 10:33:59 PST   Listings

Roger - huh?

Any one care to try for an explanation on the DUE 10 cover to Canada?

Posted by malolo   ( 877 ) on Feb-19-08 at 10:25:28 PST   Listings
Aloha -
Off for a few days to Honolulu but thought I'd add my 2¢ worth on postage due card. Pre-UPU, mid 1875, cards were only accepted between countries according to individual treaties. I'm not sure of agreement between Canada and US, but if that card had European names the 6 cents postage would not count, since the card should have been franked as a letter. Therefore, 5 cents letter rate, plus 5 cents penalty.

PS - Paulo, Here's a 3 centimes printed matter ( than 50 items), registered, airmail. Philatelic, but who cares when the sender uses his own razor cancel logo!
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-19-08 at 10:24:21 PST   Listings

Jay - thanks for the suggestoin. The inscription you refer to as I understand it was for government-printed cards intended for UPU mails. I don't think I have ever seen an uprated postal card sent postage due for violating that "rule" if it met all other requirements.

I believe the reason for the due charge is that the card was oversize, outside the size limitations for UPU post cards.

This is that larger Grant card printed by the USPOD for the benefit of commercial mailers who wanted a larger backside on which to print their advertising messages.

I recall seeing examples of this card used domestically with written message on back and correctly charged postage due. They were more frequently allowed to pass uncharged.

Posted by jaywild   ( 1052 ) on Feb-19-08 at 09:17:40 PST   Listings
Jeff-raff… I’m going to take a stab at your quiz question…

Postal cards sent within the UPU (that is, a foreign destination) were required to have “Carte Postale, Universal Postal Union” printed on the address side. If they did not, then the card was assessed at the letter rate, which was 5¢ at the time. This error was caught before the card left the US, because the first DUE mark was applied in New York.

If the card had been mailed after June 15, 1897 the due amount would have been double, if I am not mistaken.

Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-19-08 at 08:20:40 PST   Listings

I already have a 10 cent Due Postcard

Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-19-08 at 07:39:46 PST   Listings
The grill, AKA lozenge of 8 lines, on that 5 Baj. just shown is mirror sighted (specular) as compared to a normal grill cancel, also called "grill of Rome", distributed to most P.O.'s at the end of October 1855 to be used as canceller of adhesives. Some P.O.'s received an inverted grill instead, some other P.O.'s resorted to make their own fancy cancellers.
In the Romagne field of usage (from Sept. 1859), however, only the P.O. of Bondeno had the mirror sighted grill and this was used only for a few months.
From this 7 Baj. pair of mine (positions 52-53, the 52 with the constant plate flaw malformed "7"):
I hope you can make out the configuration of the normal grill cancel.
These are two of the few items I own amongst the ones I've just showed, obviously! ;-)(wink-wink, say no more!)

BTW: I forgot to link this:

Domestic air printed matter:
detail franking
air stamp

"affrancata con il primo francobollo adesivo di posta aerea svizzera da 50 Rp. + porto per stampati 3 Rp. (corrispondenza aperta)."

(Italian happens to be one of the Swiss languages, so I do take the chance! ;-))

(I hope I didn't screw-up too many links, if I made any ;-))
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-19-08 at 07:07:46 PST   Listings

Here's a DUE 10 for DUE 2

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-19-08 at 07:01:46 PST   Listings

due2 - au contraire

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-19-08 at 07:00:50 PST   Listings

I don't understand the inverted grill item

Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-19-08 at 06:47:40 PST   Listings
The Infrequent inverted grill of Bondeno:

A never hinged mint 100 Rp. RII N Swiss Postage due:

Two decorative covers:

The Unique sheet of the 1 lira with B.L.P. overprints:

A very high franking on piece:

And, dulcis in fundo, the new emission of the ghost Republic of Bananas
;-) Paolo
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Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-19-08 at 06:40:34 PST   Listings
Mine aren't phillatelical?

I'm Crushed

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-19-08 at 06:35:42 PST   Listings

For anyone still interested in something philatelic, a US trivia rate quiz
Why is the seller of this US postal card> incorrect is stating the postage due assessed is incorrect?

Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-19-08 at 05:32:22 PST   Listings
Couple nore
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-19-08 at 05:21:18 PST   Listings
The second card took 14 days for the whole process

Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-19-08 at 05:18:16 PST   Listings
I also added 5 or 6 Held for postage cards

Here are a couple Inquiry-Dept

and Held
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Feb-19-08 at 04:39:43 PST   Listings
ROTFLMAO @ Jim's (Jaywild) list & continuations! ;-)

My favorite is the Bozone! I would have a remedy, although a bit drastic, to rarefy that gas: cyanide gases! ;-)

Here's my modest input OTTOMH (off the top of my head):
HMOTTO = acronym, off the top of someone else's head
Philatheistic = adjective, qualifying members of new religion based on adoration of paper (nasty one, includes immolation and human sacrifices -- from Wikkipodia).
Pedostrian = noun, he who whilst walking doesn't step on children.
Assunction = noun, for those greased assumptions.


Good continuation,
Posted by hudsonbay1983   ( 303 ) on Feb-18-08 at 22:06:12 PST   Listings
Hi - Newfoundland is in eastern Canada, a province, though long ago was independent w/in the commonwealth.
Posted by sprite.336   ( 74 ) on Feb-18-08 at 21:27:26 PST   Listings
can some one tell me about a stamp its from new foundland
were is that i cant find it in my book
Posted by chaswilly   ( 1689 ) on Feb-18-08 at 20:58:27 PST   Listings
jaywild, although it changes two letters, how about assmosis, the diffusion of water through stamp123456789's lips whilst maintaining a lip lock on the posterior of an auctioneer.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8852 ) on Feb-18-08 at 16:34:55 PST   Listings

while you are waiting, try this on for size, it may help if you can read Spanish,


David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1060 ) on Feb-18-08 at 16:30:59 PST   Listings
I sure hope ambulancias stamps don't state DOA!

Posted by dbenson   ( 8852 ) on Feb-18-08 at 16:21:28 PST   Listings

if you link a scan to the item in question I am sure that the honorable member from Chile will be able to answer your query,

David B.
Posted by oregonstamps   ( 248 ) on Feb-18-08 at 15:46:13 PST   Listings
Can anyone tell me about Ambulancias cancels; like those from Chile?

Posted by billsey   ( 888 ) on Feb-18-08 at 15:31:35 PST   Listings
Mitch, how 'bout Ambulante for a topic, leave it open for all traveling POs and let the PH folks have a free for all...
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-18-08 at 14:38:22 PST   Listings

mitch - email me your postal address, I have a TVZ cd to send you

Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Feb-18-08 at 14:25:33 PST   Listings
I think grading is imortant
even on cover it is an attribute to
reach for..

Posted by dbenson   ( 8852 ) on Feb-18-08 at 14:14:03 PST   Listings
Mitch, it may be time to rediscuss Grading as it is a very important aspect of collecting now and in the future,

I am in favour of grading and believe it is one of the most important advances in philately, however I am not in favour of grading stamps issued after WWII. I am also in favour of grading stamps against similar stamps and not to an overall standard of perfection.

now that should lead to a hive of discussion,

David B.

Posted by dbenson   ( 8852 ) on Feb-18-08 at 14:04:17 PST   Listings

I don't consider Airmails or Charity stamps ( Semi Postals to you) stamps as BOB's, Postal Fiscals, Postage Dues, Registered Letter Stamps, Acknowledgments of Receipt, Newspaper Stamps, Railway Parcel Stamps etc., etc., etc. are,

David B.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 673 ) on Feb-18-08 at 13:11:27 PST   Listings
Io Thanks for that link. It's a great site especially for those who collect recent issues.

J.D. That's a great list of new words. Hard to decide what my favorite one is. I do like sarchasm quite a bit and it's meaning is often tested on this board.

A&S Amazing what a simple statement can bring forth on the board. I should have made that "new country" the subject of this months EUSC meeting. <:~`)

EUSC Meeting Any suggestions for this months meeting will be welcomed and considered.
I'm running out of ideas. Was thinking ugliest and most beautiful stamps, favorite stamps etc. Or possibly doing the continuation of the B.O.B. subject a few months ago.
Seems, however, I forgot which sections of BOB's we did last?
Airmails were one but I can't remember the others. If someone could refresh my memory, I could figure out what should be next.

PC I looked at that Phillipine Perry and could not come up with an answer. The cancel does appear to be over the overprint, which is good sign. However the overprint seems very wavvy. Put a straightedge under the overprint and see what I mean.


El presidente'

Posted by billsey   ( 888 ) on Feb-18-08 at 13:04:28 PST   Listings
I'd guess you gotta be a card collector for that one to make sense. Note that the 4¢ version is currently selling for more...
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3899 ) on Feb-18-08 at 12:59:46 PST   Listings

from the you gotta be kidding me department

Posted by paperhistory   ( 1995 ) on Feb-18-08 at 12:45:18 PST   Listings
Going back to my college political science days, I'd say there's frequently a distinction between "nation" (which is a more cultural concept) and "state" (which is more associated with a functioning government). One can exist without the other, and the existence (or legitimacy) of either can be questioned.
Posted by peterc8888   ( 375 ) on Feb-18-08 at 11:29:28 PST   Listings
Does anyone know how to change the search to the old way? The new search takes more time to filter the search result.

Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Feb-18-08 at 10:41:52 PST   Listings
If a declaration of independence is sufficient for the establishment of a state

It is not and no one said it was sufgficient Geez!
Posted by jaywild   ( 1052 ) on Feb-18-08 at 10:26:15 PST   Listings
NOIP… Some humor from the Washington Post’s Mensa Invitational, which asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition.
1. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period of time.

2. Ignoranus : A person who's both stupid and an *ssh*le.

3. Intaxication : Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.

4. Reintarnation : Coming back to life as a hillbilly.

5. Bozone ( n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future.

6. Foreploy : Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid.

7. Giraffiti : Vandalism spray-painted very, very high

8. Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.

9. Inoculatte : To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.

10. Osteopornosis : A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.)

11. Karmageddon : It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like, a serious bummer.

12. Decafalon (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day consuming only things that are good for you.

13. Glibido : All talk and no action.

14. Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.

15. Arachnoleptic Fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after you've accidentally walked through a spider web.

16. Beelzebug (n.) : Satan in the form of a mosquito, that gets into your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out.

17. Caterpallor ( n.): The color you turn after finding half a worm in the fruit you're eating.
The Washington Post has also published the winning submissions to its yearly contest, in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for common words.
1. coffee , n. the person upon whom one coughs.

2. flabbergasted , adj. appalled by discovering how much weight one has gained.

3. abdicate , v. to give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach.

4. esplanade , v. to attempt an explanation while drunk.

5. willy-nilly , adj. impotent.

6. negligent , adj. absentmindedly answering the door when wearing only a nightgown.

7. lymph , v. to walk with a lisp.

8. gargoyle , n. olive-flavored mouthwash.

9. flatulence , n. emergency vehicle that picks up someone who has been run over by a steamroller.

10. balderdash , n. a rapidly receding hairline.

11. testicle , n. a humorous question on an exam.

12. rectitude , n. the formal, dignified bearing adopted by proctologists.

13. pokemon , n. a Rastafarian proctologist.

14. oyster , n. a person who sprinkles his conversation with Yiddishisms.

15. Frisbeetarianism , n. the belief that, after death, the soul flies up onto the roof and gets stuck there.

16. circumvent , n. an opening in the front of boxer shorts worn by Jewish men.

Posted by jaywild   ( 1052 ) on Feb-18-08 at 10:05:21 PST   Listings
A few more points, and then I will leave this subject be.
1. If a declaration of independence is sufficient for the establishment of a state, then the Confederacy, Biafra, Katanga, the “Empire of Jones” in Alabama were all nations. Very few scholars would agree that that was the case.
2. The Montevideo Convention was called to promote FDR’s new “Good Neighbor” policy, meant to reassure Latin American that the “Big Stick” policy of Theodore Roosevelt, which insisted on America’s right to intervene when, where and if it chose, was a thing of the past. It was a regional conference that carried very little practical weight beyond the spheres of influence of the signatories.
3. I agree with Richard W. UPU recognition should now and hereafter be the determinant of true independence.

Posted by jaywild   ( 1052 ) on Feb-18-08 at 09:53:23 PST   Listings
Oh goody… Another dead horse that needs beating.

But you did say that a declaration of independence is all that is necessary to achieve independence, to wit (@20:07 last night)—
“What I found was that most states do indeed become states by self declaration”
You found nothing of the kind, unfortunately. Also, the Wikipedia article is quite contradictory, as I tried to point out earlier, in saying “the Montevideo Convention merely codified existing legal norms…” because existing norms were what denied the Confederacy the right to existence as a nation.

You must remember that anyone can edit a Wikipedia article, and as we have seen proved on the board here, that sometimes the opinions of the writers are quite off the beam.

Posted by sayasan   ( 749 ) on Feb-18-08 at 09:32:52 PST   Listings
Hey, just because the US (or UK) sends troops somewhere, it doesn't make it a viable nation state. Quite the reverse, usually ..

An international legal definition of independence is one thing, but in terms of the international postal system, a member state must be recognised by the UPU. Otherwise there can be no international exchange of mail, and the stamps will be. effectively, locals. That's a different issue to illegals which are produced in the names of recognised UPU members. An illegal is, technically, an illegal when it is condemned as such by the UPU, acting on the request of a member state. A stamp on the WNS is not "legal" in the sense that any stamp NOT on the WNS is therefore "illegal". The WNS clearly identifies this stamp as not being an illegal, that's all. Seems simple enough to me.

Anyone else can throw in whatever categories they care to bandy about, but we're talking about internationally agreed terms here, not subjective definitions.

Posted by oregonstamps   ( 248 ) on Feb-18-08 at 09:21:30 PST   Listings
Can anyone tell me about Ambulancias cancels, like those from Chile?

Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1472 ) on Feb-18-08 at 09:13:00 PST   Listings