eBay chatboard archive: Dec-17-07 to Dec-23-07 week

Posted by jaywild   ( 1033 ) on Dec-23-07 at 23:43:13 PST   Listings
To all in the Antipodes… To those who partake, or even those who don’t, I wish all a MERRY CHRISTMAS!! now, because when it hits your shores, some 5+ hours from now, I plan to be asleep.



Jim
Posted by dbenson   ( 8772 ) on Dec-23-07 at 23:29:45 PST   Listings
Department stores closed 1/2 hour ago for Xmas and I just heard a news report that this years Xmas shopping hit a new record. I believe it as I was shopping today and saw the crowds. Boxing Day sales begin in 2 days, that will also be a record,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8772 ) on Dec-23-07 at 22:55:34 PST   Listings
Roly, thanks, forget the Kiwis, try BPA or Royal London,

David B.

Posted by jaywild   ( 1033 ) on Dec-23-07 at 22:19:50 PST   Listings
Greg I… Please let us know if your searches return to normal tomorrow.

Jim
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 557 ) on Dec-23-07 at 22:16:36 PST   Listings
g.1 Greg when I had the 'new search' feature, I could opt out by clicking a link at the very bottom of the search page. That was a few months ago, don't know if it is still the case. I opted out, so only get 'old search' pages, but all the Stamps / Australia / States I tried worked.

Linda
Posted by g.1   ( 1173 ) on Dec-23-07 at 21:08:58 PST   Listings
Roly, it sounds like you got a clueless "We've never seen one before so it can't be real" opinion. Why don't this guys realize that "no opinion" is an option?

Greg
Posted by rolyrj   ( 7 ) on Dec-23-07 at 20:45:06 PST   Listings
David B.
I used the 'expertising' services of the miney grabbers here in NZ.... sghhhhhh

Should have known better and not blown cash down the gurgler :)

I won't give up on this one though and as someone else mentioned I may be at the start of a very long and narrow research road here. But i don't mind that.

Cheers

Roly
Posted by g.1   ( 1173 ) on Dec-23-07 at 19:33:48 PST   Listings
I just chatted with one of their live help guys. He says that the system is undergoing maitenance right now, which could cause some features to not work for some users. Hmmm. (Rebooting doesn't help.)

I bet they are introducing new stamps categories as part of the maintenance, and I'm just one of the first people to be seeing them.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Dec-23-07 at 19:28:02 PST   Listings
I too can go to several of those categories. Time to reboot.
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Dec-23-07 at 19:19:51 PST   Listings
g.1 when I go to the stamps category, then select Australia underneath stamps, I find an Australian States category within Australia. I forced the computer to reload the Australia page, the Australian States category was still there. Likewise I see a Postal History category underneath worldwide, and a publications (not sure if that's what you mean for literature) under Publications and Supplies,and a British Commonwealth Other as a main category. I think there's something funky with your system.

Bill D.
Posted by g.1   ( 1173 ) on Dec-23-07 at 19:14:40 PST   Listings
Try finding the categories for Literature. Postal History. British Commonwealth. All gone. The four categories I check every day all wiped out, replaced by totally generic categories. Some idiot has totally messed everything up.
Posted by g.1   ( 1173 ) on Dec-23-07 at 19:10:51 PST   Listings
Jim, I think the reason you can do that is your browser cache. That link takes me to the main stamps category. When I drill down, Australia is there but there's not Australian States subcategory.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1033 ) on Dec-23-07 at 19:08:53 PST   Listings
g.1… I was able to get into Australian States. (Link on left side.) Try rebooting your computer—could be a snag somewhere in your browser cache.

Jim
Posted by g.1   ( 1173 ) on Dec-23-07 at 18:53:27 PST   Listings
What in hell have they done to the stamps categories? They seem to have done away with literally every category I browse! Where, for example, is the category for Australian States? eBay's demented Christmas gift to us seems to have arrived early.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1033 ) on Dec-23-07 at 18:48:46 PST   Listings
Io… I have sworn to ignore any and all sesquipedalianism between now and Christmas…



Jim
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-23-07 at 18:30:01 PST   Listings
OK Paul

barstardized is perhaps an unkind word.

Reduced it to a semblance of its melodiferousness (oops, that could annoy Jim by using a long word) and omitting both grammar and spelling.

Duh, makes sense in almost any language and seems to be becoming a common denominator of internet communicators.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1033 ) on Dec-23-07 at 18:22:46 PST   Listings
Celestial Spectacle… If anyone wants to see an unusual occurrence, go outside and look at the Moon. Mars is about ¼ degree to the upper right, very, very close. You will need a night sky to see it!

Jim
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-23-07 at 18:16:39 PST   Listings
BASTARDIZED Would not be the right word,,,,do you ever heard that the Cubans bastardized the Spanish language or that Mexico bastardized the Spanish language .....NO ...or that Black or Southern U.S. citizens bastardized the English language .....its a culture thing and each culture adjusts over time to the common useage of words to the area .

Its only in the past few years that a common language will develope with all the mass electronic communications and cross border trading.

Posted by dbenson   ( 8772 ) on Dec-23-07 at 18:12:27 PST   Listings
alex,

I didn't mean to infer private issues or locals, I meant variations of ordinary psotage stamps which aren't specifically catalogued but are well known to specialists.

David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-23-07 at 17:56:27 PST   Listings
Good day all.

Just back from Penn State, with driving rain accomanying us the entire way.

Having been born under the King and then acquiring the Queen's English I am happy to state that it is one of the most versatile of languages, having been bastardized by several foreign countries and reduced to a mere semblance of its capabilities by a US "e" generation.

Hope that Paolo does not read the board before references to Sassone scroll off.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1033 ) on Dec-23-07 at 17:56:09 PST   Listings
Brad… I would dissuade you from cutting the stamps to release a plate block from a sheet. This will leave an unnaturally straight edge to the perforations, which will look very odd and also suggest reperforation.

The best thing to do would be to take the whole sheet, fold the edges of the block back and forth then tear it from the sheet carefully. This will leave nice “fuzzy” tips on the perforations which will not only disprove reperfing but also regumming, since that shows up especially well at perf tips.

Jim
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-23-07 at 17:46:21 PST   Listings
BAYSIDE -----Congratulations on starting to collect worldwide even if it is up to 1940 .There are many people who are worldwide collectors and the numbers are growing.I also collect worldwide .This is a few years ago so naturally its much bigger ....paul
Posted by afeht   ( 1212 ) on Dec-23-07 at 16:27:42 PST   Listings
dbenson,

I don't collect private issues (as I don't collect revenues or covers) but I don't see what may have given you an impression that my intention would be to tell anyone what to collect. Hell, if only I'd have money, I would collect Rembrandt!

I know a man in Moscow who collects soap. Every damn bar of soap manufactured in the world since time immemorial. His apartment sure smells weird. And, believe it or not, there are dozens of his fellow soap collectors all over the world who exchange, buy, and sell those precious aromatic bars, and smell them, and lovingly store them in special rooms where they maintain the "just right" humidity, not too dry and not too humid.

However, when I ingeniously asked him if he collects liquid soap in siphon bottles, he looked at me as if I were stark mad: who in his right mind would collect stuff?
Posted by dbenson   ( 8772 ) on Dec-23-07 at 14:13:07 PST   Listings
Matthew, Alex,

there are many specialist articles and literature that mention various varieties and variations that are not mentioned even in footnotes of catalogues. It is up to the individual colector to make up his own mind whether they should be included in his collection. Personally I believe that all variations should be included,

Roly, sorry so long in asking about your certificate enquiry, Was the expertiser in NZ, GB or elsewhere,

David B.
Posted by bayside_philatelic   ( 2035 )   on Dec-23-07 at 14:12:32 PST   Listings
Thank you all for the answers to my questions. I wish everyone a happy holiday season!
Posted by matthew1999   ( 177 ) on Dec-23-07 at 13:03:54 PST   Listings
afeht, To collect or not to collect? That is the question! Catalog listing should not be the only criteria, I think... There are many private issues that are collectible, especially if they are not overpriced. Of course, it is hard to prove that it's contemporary, and not a modern laser-printed fantasy.

Just my due centesimi,
Mh
Posted by matthew1999   ( 177 ) on Dec-23-07 at 12:59:34 PST   Listings
Brad - Well, I was collecting stamps when I was eight years old... I know a little more now, but I'm still learning. That's what I enjoy about the hobby. No matter how much I learn, there's always more!
Posted by afeht   ( 1212 ) on Dec-23-07 at 12:59:14 PST   Listings
Stampsz

People on Italian philatelic forums (for example, here) say that "A.M.S." is a private overprint applied during the period of liberation, and could mean "Allied Mail Service" (AMS). Others say "American Government Militare Service." It is important to keep in mind that this is not an official overprint. I, for one, don't collect material not listed in major catalogs.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3659 ) on Dec-23-07 at 12:54:08 PST   Listings
Philatelic Christmas Presents

Matt in Arizona
Posted by brad   ( 474 ) on Dec-23-07 at 12:43:54 PST   Listings
Thanks Mh.

I assume that the 1999 in your handle refers to the year you became an eBay user, and not the year you were born, in which case I would feel really inadequate in my stamp knowledge (not that I don't anyway!)

Posted by brad   ( 474 ) on Dec-23-07 at 12:38:07 PST   Listings
Sorry, the HTML list stuff seems to add extra space when posted here...
Posted by matthew1999   ( 177 ) on Dec-23-07 at 12:37:41 PST   Listings
brad,

Those stamps are not old enough to be showing any aging, natural or otherwise. Stear clear! They have most likely been badly stored and are showing signs of exposure to light, moisture, acid paper, PVC, or worse. They are worth at most their face value -- with one of those and an additional 12 cents, you could still mail a first class letter.

Mh
Posted by brad   ( 474 ) on Dec-23-07 at 12:35:47 PST   Listings
Also, I am trying to catch up on modern US issues after a long time away from collecting, and facing some "self-adhesive issues". I tried googling for info with little success, so thought I would post a couple of questions here.



Does anyone have or seen a "soak-ability" list by Scott # for US stamps?
I'm talking which to soak or not, techniques, etc., similar to the Soak-o-meter (?) stuff I recall having seen in Linn's.


Is there a preferred method for extracting a plate block from a pane?
My first instinct is to use the surrounding stamps and then trim close rather than attempting to separate along the “perfs” in the backing paper.

Posted by brad   ( 474 ) on Dec-23-07 at 12:26:36 PST   Listings
Here is the lot number if anyone could see anything:
120200125494
Posted by matthew1999   ( 177 ) on Dec-23-07 at 12:24:37 PST   Listings
Stampsz, If it's this you're thinking of, I've never seen it. Don't have my Sassone or my Unificato at hand. If it's not listed in either of those, then it's probably a fake or a fantasy.

brad, sounds like a way to put a nice spin on what might otherwise be called staining, foxing, toning, fading or bent/creased perfs. Still, I suppose it beats "unnatural aging"...!

Mh
Posted by matthew1999   ( 177 ) on Dec-23-07 at 12:16:01 PST   Listings
bayside_philatelic,

Specialized catalogs from other countries will always contain a) much more detailed listings for the country they are published in and b) higher prices with the serious, high-end collectors of that country in mind. Remember, in many European cities, stamp shops range from the dusty, casual kind right up to luxurious affairs where they won't talk to you unless you're a known big spender. Also, nowadays you have a terrible euro/dollar exchange rate to contend with, too.

What afeht said about Sassone is pretty accurate. I collected Italy when I lived there in the 70s and I preferred the Unificato too.

Mh
Posted by sayasan   ( 737 ) on Dec-23-07 at 12:05:54 PST   Listings
amy mcdill - er, what's the question?
Posted by brad   ( 474 ) on Dec-23-07 at 12:02:00 PST   Listings
In regards to a modern US booklet pane, what would you make of the seller's description of "NATURAL AGING"?
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1713 ) on Dec-23-07 at 11:50:23 PST   Listings
jaywild, that agrees with what I was seeing.
Looks to be the correct definition.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3659 ) on Dec-23-07 at 11:48:08 PST   Listings
Stampsz,

If it's "A M G" it represents stamps issued for use by the Allied Military Gov't (WWII).

Matt in Arizona
Posted by stampsz   ( 463 ) on Dec-23-07 at 11:41:41 PST   Listings
Does anybody know what A M S overprinted on Italian stamps is?
Posted by jaywild   ( 1033 ) on Dec-23-07 at 10:15:58 PST   Listings
From Wikipedia…

"All ships in the Navy inventory are placed in the Naval Vessel Register, which tracks data such as the current status of a ship, the date of its commissioning, and the date of its decommissioning. Vessels that are removed from the register prior to disposal are said to be stricken from the register. The Navy also maintains a reserve fleet of inactive vessels that are maintained for reactivation in times of need."

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1033 ) on Dec-23-07 at 10:09:04 PST   Listings
NOIP… Just a guess, but I believe “struck” refers to a ship that has been sold, either to a salvage yard or another nation, or some commercial entity, and thus has been struck from the Navy rolls. “Decommissioned” refers to a ship which has been retired to mothballs but remains property of the US Navy.

Jim
Posted by amymcdill   ( 131 ) on Dec-23-07 at 10:06:47 PST   Listings
i have a question,
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1713 ) on Dec-23-07 at 09:55:59 PST   Listings
nomad, that doesn't seem to be correct, at least with the usages I saw.
I believe you got the "decommissioned" part correct, but all the "struck" ships I saw were sold for salvage.
Something else going on which I haven't searched for yet.
Posted by nomad55   ( 953 ) on Dec-23-07 at 09:36:42 PST   Listings
dcd...I believe the diiference is as follows.
Struck - the ship has sunk or been destroyed during a war.
Decommissioned - the ship is outdated, obsolete, or surplus.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1713 ) on Dec-23-07 at 09:11:11 PST   Listings
keleofa, thanks. I find that quite interesting.

While surfing up the names of some US Naval vessels I found that some are decommissioned and some are "struck" from the lists.
Now I need to find out the difference.
Usual situation. Research leads to more research.

Posted by afeht   ( 1212 ) on Dec-23-07 at 08:50:45 PST   Listings
Bayside,

I have Sassone. It's a luxury edition for wealthy collectors. It lists classic Italian stamps, and its prices are substantially higher than Scott's. The explanation given by catalog editors is that they value stamps in VF condition only, whereas Scott values stamps in F-VF condition. (To me, even Scott prices are ridiculously high.) Naturally, sellers tend to inflate CV to impress potential buyers; it's just a marketing gimmick. Sassone can be useful, because it lists many varieties and shades of classic Italy, which one cannot find in Scott or even in Michel. IMO, however, Unified catalog of Italian stamps ("Unificato") is better organized, more informative, and covers much more philatelic ground. Both catalogs are in Italian but are very easy to read. "Unificato" has a glossary of Italian philatelic terms translated into English, German, French, etc.

Sayasan,

Your observation is partly correct. Most of the people posting here "write as they speak." I spent 25 years preparing and typing written texts fit for printing. When I type, my mind automatically works in written, "publication-ready" English, not in colloquial spoken English. Hence the "pompous" impression.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3659 ) on Dec-23-07 at 08:42:08 PST   Listings
DC,

Receiving ship is fairly common, although there are some scarcer examples. This is from the Universal Ship Cancellation Society:

Receiving Ship

Matt in Arizona
Posted by bayside_philatelic   ( 2035 )   on Dec-23-07 at 08:38:54 PST   Listings
Stamps12345 - I understand completely about condition and value. I have collected strictly US issues for the past 15 years. I have only collected mint US stamps in VF condition. In the past month or two I have finely been bitten by the collecting worldwide issues bug. A few months ago I purchased a nice older entirely mint international collection formed in the 1940s on which I wish to build. My next goal is to start a used international collection in which I want to only collect stamps with bold clear CDS or slogan cancels, no CTOs. International collecting is totally new to me. I have a firm grip on the concept of condition but I am confused about the valuing assigned in different catalogues as Scott has always served my purpose for US issues. -Mike
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1713 ) on Dec-23-07 at 08:27:37 PST   Listings
Is there anything special about a

Receiving Ship Cancel vs. a normal ship's cancel?

Posted by sayasan   ( 737 ) on Dec-23-07 at 06:34:20 PST   Listings
afeht - As a professional translator, your (serving) Queen's English is pretty good. However, pardon me for saying, but your style is a bit pompous ...
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-23-07 at 05:05:20 PST   Listings
BAYSIDE ----The seller of those Tuscany stamps has it priced to retail for the condition of those stamps ,why he added the catalog value of stamps in much better condition is a common sales trick ,used all over the stamp selling trade . If I were to buy those stamps from you ,my offer would be about $10.00 each which is about what the seller purchase them for. Remember he is in the business to make money from what he buys,not to supply customers with under priced stamps .
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-23-07 at 04:48:53 PST   Listings
BAYSIDE -------There are many people who buy stamps base on what the catalog says it worth .There are also catalogs that make prices base on pie-in-the-sky pricing .

What your not watching is the poor quality of the stamp ,your looking at the price of a Mercedes Benz and buying a Chevy .Both have four tires and a steering wheel but when the time comes to sell your in for a surprise ......besides welcome to the board ,let us know about your collecting interest .....paul

Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-23-07 at 04:36:02 PST   Listings
D1 Over the years you have impress me as one of the most knownledgeable and respected members of this community .Your one of the people who I would be happy to sit with and learn something from.

But this transaction with N.Y. STAMPS just caught you ,which also happens to everybody sooner or later.You got caught believeing in the Christmas Fairy .Lets look at this transaction .

Any collector viewing that auction would walk away from a listing that says----AS IS .

You were buying a rare and valueable stamp for a cheap opening price

Why would a establish and knownledgeable seller be selling a expensive stamp cheap?

What were you thinking ,the Christmas Fairy was letting you bid on a stamp that other experience collectors past up.

My quess is that you were bidding against other con artist who thought they could remarket that stamp and make a profit ,because most collectors smelled a rat .

Did it ever cross your mind that maybe a young clerk listed that stamp and didn't know what reback is ,but your blaming the owner who maybe never saw the stamp.

sit back and have a few more drinks of Yellow Tail

.....paul

Posted by bayside_philatelic   ( 2035 )   on Dec-23-07 at 04:26:01 PST   Listings
Has any one ever heard of the Sassone catalogue? How does it compare to the Scott catalogue? One particular seller on ebay quotes Sassone prices in his Italian states stamp auctions. The values quoted seem high compared to the values quoted in my Scotts catalogue. Is my assumption wrong? Here is one of his past sales in question: ebay # 230194261393 Thank you for any help.
Posted by de66   ( 1174 ) on Dec-23-07 at 00:34:00 PST   Listings
Lindy my Christmas twinkle

Ken Martin Deputy Executive Director of the American Philatelic Society is looking into it.

We will see.

Lucky i had had a wine and was feeling relaxed, or i would have really said what i thought.

D1
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 557 ) on Dec-22-07 at 22:58:17 PST   Listings
Oh D1,Dave, don't be shy, tell us how you really feel about the guy! :o)

you really should let APS know about the 'LifeMembership' claim!

Linda
Posted by de66   ( 1174 ) on Dec-22-07 at 22:45:55 PST   Listings
Stamps12345

Re NYSTAMPS:

Paul you best move away from the guy, like 100 yards.

He is an arse, NO contact at all other than "send it back", no point in even trying to be nice.

No refund after he got the lot back for 3 weeks! then Paypal had to rip my money back out of his account.

On his page he says he is a LIFE MEMBER of APS i have found out that is a load of old crock. He is hiding behind one of his family members and using their APS membership.

If i ever meet him face to face i will give him all the respect he deserves in a kind of Aussie way!

I will just have to sit back now and wait for him to relot the rebacked Qld stamp he refused to destroy!

He need some TarMac down his shorts! and some hot Christmas Pud rubbed in his face.

Thought he would have has the balls to come on to this board and attempt to defend himself but obviously some body cut them off already!

D1

Posted by manhattanconcepts   ( 10 ) on Dec-22-07 at 20:34:09 PST   Listings
Infla_alec: You are most welcome. I like being able to give something back to those so willing to help me with my new and baffling collection. Thanks to the rest of you as well.

Let it be known that Alec broke the ftp with his uploads... an unheard of event leading me to believe that there will be a lot of interesting inflation stuff to see once he stops scaring the poor thing to death.

Oh and I was the culprit who asked about the color of the cancel. It was blue. Clearly blue. It was supposed to be black. Clearly black. It was important to me or I would not have asked. Am I missing something? I mean more than usual?

Katrina
Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-22-07 at 20:06:26 PST   Listings
1covers,

I don't know if you know that "ZEK" means "prison inmate" in Soviet Russian jargon (a derivative from "Z/K" abbreviation). So, the whole county populated by "zekes" sounds like home sweet home to me...
Posted by jimbo   ( 424 ) on Dec-22-07 at 20:00:04 PST   Listings
1covers
And when I was a young man, Denver plates began with 1, Pueblo plates began with 2, Weld plates began with 3, El Paso plates began with 4, and so on down the way to 63 and the smallest county - Hinsdale.

jimbo older than you might think
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1449 ) on Dec-22-07 at 19:11:14 PST   Listings

Jim L. member
Posted by dbenson   ( 8772 ) on Dec-22-07 at 18:39:06 PST   Listings
NOIP, re Ken Lawrence and the APS, anyone who has a few hoyrs to spare will find some interesting comments here on Virtual Stamp Club,

http://forums.delphiforums.com/stamps/messages

Societies, Clubs, Organization - Ken Lawrence Sues APS, Officials

David Benson
Posted by 1covers   ( 1372 ) on Dec-22-07 at 18:08:16 PST   Listings
Alex - In days of old, Clear Creek County plates started with "CC" and Gilpin County plates with "ZEK" hence the "zekes" nickname.
Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-22-07 at 17:49:46 PST   Listings
As a matter of fact (not to offend anybody, just a curious circumstance), when we first came to Archuleta county, Colorado, in 1991, all local license plates started with either "FAK" or "YU," which created a rather comical effect on the road. Now one can chose from dozens of letter combinations.
Posted by red-dog9   ( 3436 ) on Dec-22-07 at 17:17:52 PST   Listings
Good for you Bob!!
Come back next year when you find the letter U
Posted by lookwhatbobfound   ( 300 ) on Dec-22-07 at 17:01:51 PST   Listings
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Posted by 1covers   ( 1372 ) on Dec-22-07 at 16:58:47 PST   Listings
Loveland?
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-22-07 at 16:31:21 PST   Listings
RICHARD ---Some how the locals in Colorado knew I was from someplace else .ARMY JACKET,DO-RAG AND HAT ,1972,Have not been back for some 20 years
Posted by 1covers   ( 1372 ) on Dec-22-07 at 16:14:29 PST   Listings
Paul - I do not like Colorado myself - that is why I live in New Mexico. One good thing though - you could always tell the locals by the prefixes on the Colo. licence plates. Each county had a different prefix. I think they changed that about 15 years ago but am not sure.

Alex - One of my ex-employees lives in Pagosa Springs - Kathy Wagner (ne Cherry). I think her husband works at Wolf Creek in the winter.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-22-07 at 16:03:26 PST   Listings
RICHARD ---The only claim about Colorado that interest me are the girls ,you can keep the soot and smog in Denver and the high price lift tickets and costly resort food ,oh forgot throw in the Coors with the girls .
Posted by 1covers   ( 1372 ) on Dec-22-07 at 16:00:37 PST   Listings
Paul - hint - pointylanders from a specific county.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-22-07 at 15:57:41 PST   Listings
99keith99 ----Thats not true in Japan ,now that the post office went private and postage is now looked at something going down in value . Collectors are using up there collectible stamps of recent years .
Posted by 99keith99   ( 71 ) on Dec-22-07 at 15:50:36 PST   Listings
Remember! Never use a valuable stamp for postage when mailing a letter!
Happy Holidays, Elvis! :o)
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-22-07 at 15:38:28 PST   Listings
ON MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS Just got finish reading the lawsuit/charges against the AMERICAN PHILATELIC SOCIETY ,its long and comprehensive ,this is not the place to go into all the details .But its safe to say they{APS} got a heck of a charge against them and quite a hole to dig out of.

But since it yet to go before a judge and a hearing yet to be establish .I though it would be better to give the final settlement before the meter for legal fees gets too high and they will come to the same conclusion AS POSTED HERE .

FIRST----The settlement will be private with all parties signing off not to disclose the details .

SECOND-----Ken Lawrence will get his public apolgy from all parties.

THIRD -----He will get his legal fees covered by the society .

FOURTH ------The society will have to make room for him and other conciderations .{what they are I don't know because I don't know the guy or like him,but he knows his stuff}.....paul

Posted by 1covers   ( 1372 ) on Dec-22-07 at 15:31:00 PST   Listings
Paul - OK, if you claim Colorado, where are the "Zekes" from?
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-22-07 at 15:04:57 PST   Listings
ALEX No matter what others say about your writting skills or country of orgin ,You are a native Coloradian .Only people who have lived in Colorado would talk and write the way you did about tourist and lift-ticket prices .I lived out there for three years and you for sure sound just like a local.
Posted by malolo   ( 871 ) on Dec-22-07 at 15:00:44 PST   Listings
BTW -
Puget Sound area is 40-45° and wet. Hawaii is warm and dry right now. Shorts and short sleeve shirt still correct attire for the well dressed screener. )">)

Holiday travelers arrive early, and check everything is your checked bags. This is the true easy way to travel.
Roger
Posted by malolo   ( 871 ) on Dec-22-07 at 14:56:05 PST   Listings
Aloha All -

Interesting discussion about the different "English" dialects. When I visit England I'm usually taken for Canadian as I transition into English vocabulary fairly easily. Americans obviously don't know many of the common everyday "English" words. I have the trans-Atlantic accent and drop the trans-Atlantic vocabulary! My father used to visit England often and he was taken for being from South Africa at first because he had the typical California golfer's suntan. As soon as he started talking he became the Americanized Saxon that he was (no Anglo in his blood).

I once herded a group of Hawaiian kids on a day trip through a couple of London museums and onto the underground. A grey haired gentle lady asked one of our chaparones "where does your group call home". When told "Hawaii", she commented she had never heard that accent before. This commetn came in use the following school year when some high school students asked me where I learned a couple of words I used in class. They thought I had an accent, but I now had it on good authority that Hawaiian English is an accent!

I guess the final evaluation is that it doesn't matter the accent, or vocabulary, as long as an attempt is made at understanding the other person.

Roger
Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-22-07 at 14:27:15 PST   Listings
NOIP… I think he speaks Brutish very well. English is another matter—erudition is not peppering your sentences with as many multi-syllable, high-falutin words as possible. The first aim of good writing is to be clear, the second is to be concise. Big words are like powerful spices, and should be used sparingly; otherwise the effect is to smother what you are trying to say. That is not being erudite. Rather, it is a pitiful attempt to show the world how learned one is, which always produces the exact opposite effect.

Anyone interested in erudition should read Fowler’s Modern English Usage. Over a hundred years old and still sublimely on target. Or read George Orwell on the topic.

Jim
Posted by sheryll*net   ( 91 ) on Dec-22-07 at 13:54:41 PST   Listings
Lyndel - Merry Christmas to you, too! Yes, too right I do! (trans = darn right, I think) 8-)

Hmm, thinking about it now, possibly in your post you meant to say "reigning monarch"?

I plan to redo my exhibit in January for COALPEX so my brain will be in stamp mode then. I'll look forward to hearing from you!

S2
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1713 ) on Dec-22-07 at 13:37:30 PST   Listings
1covers, it won't be listed alone.
It'll be listed with a bunch (15-20) of other Dec 25 dated covers.
Of course I'm a bit late getting around to it :-(
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 557 ) on Dec-22-07 at 13:24:33 PST   Listings
Merry Christmas Sheryll, I'm sure you find all kinds of words difficult to understand over there. Nice to catch you here. I haven't forgotten about the New Hebrides I asked you about, just that Vic did not get around to doing anything with them yet. I'll make it his New Year resolution.
best wishes from a not so sunny Melbourne.(raining at last)
Linda
Posted by sheryll*net   ( 91 ) on Dec-22-07 at 13:12:35 PST   Listings
Io and Bob - Glad to see my mailings made it to you before Christmas. Have a good one!

On the subject of "English", my husband maintains that he speaks the King's English, and I reply that I speak the Queen's. Misunderstandings occur over the simplest things. Why, I found out the other day that batteries "die" over here!

S2
Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-22-07 at 13:09:20 PST   Listings
"rations"="ratios"
Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-22-07 at 13:08:28 PST   Listings
Matthew,

I am getting the picture, thanks. I'll sort them first by SG Concise, at the same time putting aside anything "atypical," and then see if I can find "atypical" stuff in Specialized. I guess I could approximately value varieties not listed in SG proportionally to their mint rations.

I suspect I've got the bug... pretty colors... lots of pretty shiny colors...
Posted by matthew1999   ( 177 ) on Dec-22-07 at 12:27:27 PST   Listings
afeht, yes, you would miss a lot of varieties if you just go by the SG Concise. Whether they are "important" or not is up to you to determine! Every collector makes his/her own definition of importance.

I suggest you go through them once using the SG, organizing what seems to you like a reasonable collection and putting the remainder back into the box. If you find you have been bitten by the Machin bug in a big way, you can go back through them a second time using the more specialized book. If not, sell them or give them away. You can't lose!

Mh
Posted by 1covers   ( 1372 ) on Dec-22-07 at 11:52:59 PST   Listings
DCDEROO - It is genuine - not worth listing really - value around $5 to $10
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1713 ) on Dec-22-07 at 11:43:41 PST   Listings
Jim (jaywild), thanks for the look and opinion.
I'll list it as "most likely" legitimate.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Dec-22-07 at 10:44:36 PST   Listings
the phrase "British English" is not in common use here, whilst American English is.

Well I'll be darned. That is simply amazing. Who woulda thunk it?
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 83 ) on Dec-22-07 at 10:31:53 PST   Listings
Matthew I will let you off as some of the best English is alleged to be spoken in Aberdeen and I am half Scot. However, the phrase "British English" is not in common use here, whilst American English is.
Alex Seems I hit a hot spot. You don't have a clue how to write correct English so I am not going to waste anymore time on this one.
cheers
Peter
Posted by 22028   ( 1669 ) on Dec-22-07 at 10:16:11 PST   Listings
I hope I am allowed to post a message with my poor homemade English...
I am not sure if your are ware the the French auction house Behr is missing a letter containing very valuable stamps in the value of above Euro 110000 (US-$ 160000) send from the RPSL to France. I can post a link to an image of the stamps if requsted.
Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-22-07 at 10:11:51 PST   Listings
"Britush"="British"

BTW, there is even a translation agency specializing in preparing texts in specifically British English and American English.

Since I am a professional translator with 25 years of experience, and fluent in six languages, I respectfully invite illiterate people to refrain from giving me any further linguistic advice.
Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-22-07 at 10:08:59 PST   Listings
Matthew, thank you. Would it be feasible, then, to sort out used Machins using SG Concise catalog, not the 2-volume one listing mint/gum varieties? Or would I miss some important verieties by relying on SG Concise?

Greenwave, please think before posting. You reveal such ignorance (and such unfamiliarity with most basic rules of English grammar, be it Britush or American) that any further discussion of your imaginary patriotic grievances is moot.
Posted by matthew1999   ( 177 ) on Dec-22-07 at 10:02:11 PST   Listings
Peter (greenwave)

I respectfully beg to differ. British English most certainly does exist as a variant to, say, Scots or American or Antipodean or Caribbean English. There are easily identifiable, regularly occurring distinctions in vocabulary, spelling, and grammar. As some wag once said, an "official language" is just a dialect with a large standing army.

Happy Christmas!

Mh
Posted by matthew1999   ( 177 ) on Dec-22-07 at 09:53:12 PST   Listings
afeht, except for gum, all varieties of Machins are equally collectible in used condition, IMHO.
In fact, one of the more interesting areas of Machin study is nonphilatelic covers showing domestic and overseas rates, which changed frequently during the inflation period of the 1970s and early 80s (though not as frequently as Germany in the early 20s!)
Enjoy the study and don't worry about pricing.

Mh
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 83 ) on Dec-22-07 at 09:52:39 PST   Listings
NOIP Just purchased a couple of study lots on Sandafayre for the reserve price. Xmas always a good time to buy from there. The first is a study of the Natal 1895 1/2d provisionals. The second is a study of the 1893 provisionals of Seychelles. Plenty of stamps in both these lots to keep me out of mischief over the holiday period.

Alex My understanding of the Queen's English is perfect. However, your ability at writing English leaves room for improvement, perhaps because it is not your native language. As this is the season of goodwill I will let you off. BTW "British English" does not exist only English:-)

cheers


Peter

Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-22-07 at 09:18:44 PST   Listings
dcderoo… Re your cover—the address ink looks period, the cancel looks proper, although I don’t know stampless cancels very well. It’s got creases, corner problems and a couple of tears, one of which is murderous. As to the Christmas date, it was very common in the mid-19th Century for US mail to bear Sunday and holiday dates. The sanctification of certain holidays is a 20th Century phenomenon. In the old days, postal clerks did their job whenever they had the time to. They did not punch a clock.

Jim
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1713 ) on Dec-22-07 at 08:38:36 PST   Listings
I need an opinion on a US stampless cover.

Is this real?

The penciled date (1855) was not done by me.

Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-22-07 at 07:55:38 PST   Listings
Question To All,

I came into possession, somehow, of a big box full of thousands upon thousands of used Machins. It's been sitting on a shelf for more than a year now. I don't specialize in EII period but I know that many varieties of Machins can be ascertained only by looking at mint stamps (gum, etc.). I have a two-volume specialized catalog for Machins but it lists and prices mint stamp varieties only. Does it make sense to try to sort out used Machins, or is it strictly a "mint field"?
Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-22-07 at 07:51:02 PST   Listings
Paul,

Telluride is an expensive place for Californian tourists (though beautiful scenery); it's located on the other side of San Juan mountains, with the only road connecting our county with Telluride going around the mountains through Cortez, which is a long drive. We have Wolf Creek skiing resort right here (30 minutes of driving from my home). It is relatively inexpensive, and very popular. There's 140 inches of snow there these days! Come around!
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-22-07 at 07:43:06 PST   Listings
ALEX Have you and your wife been up to TULLURIDE yet? The skiing looks good this year,been watching the local news and they been showing pictures ,maybe one of their reporters has made it into a business trip to report news .....paul
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-22-07 at 07:28:11 PST   Listings
COPAKEBRI Welcome to the board .We do have a few who like to start trouble here ,but most try to stay on stamps .

As the SARGENT -OF-ARMS {as appointent by the then reigning STAMP GODDESS } .Usally I will let them mouth -off and the rantings run their course ,then start slapping the same old clowns around ,this has been going on for years and guess for now I'll let them blow off steam . But welcome anyway ....paul

Posted by copakebri   ( 192 ) on Dec-22-07 at 07:06:36 PST   Listings
Thanks Stamps12345. I do not know how I would be able to tell if the other bidders are experienced Hawaii buyers(unless I check their last wins, and find soem Hawaii items). Does anyone know how many such panes are out there? Is there a census? There can't be too many. If anyone on here happens to collect Hawaii, I would appreciate any fruther insight.

I collect US mint sheets(panes) and I am at a point in my collecting that this is the kind of stuff I am left to pursue, taking me a bit from my realm of knowledge (which is a limited realm, to say the least:)).

BTW, great chat board; flaming and all. Happy holidays to all, and lets keep the stamp market pumping! BUY STAMPS!!! LOL
Posted by matthew1999   ( 177 ) on Dec-22-07 at 06:56:03 PST   Listings
Jim (jaywild), Photoshop and Google, two of the most powerful weapons known to mankind. The lined Machin portrait of Elizabeth is from the typographed stamp in the special booklet issued a few years ago featuring five different printing methods. I deleted the portrait of Victoria from a normal Penny Lilac by duplicating the lined background with Photoshop's rubber stamp tool, then cut and pasted the Machin portrait and colorized it (rather badly, I must add) in a vague attempt to match the color of the frame.
Then I cut out the portrait of QV from a nice scan of a mint Penny Black I found online (I wish I owned a nice mint Penny Black!) and pasted it onto a similarly blanked-out image of the engraved Machin from the same special issue. The resulting stamp actually looks rather good, I thought, because of the similarity in color and printing method.

Mh
Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-22-07 at 06:54:04 PST   Listings
infla-alec,

I would like to know how you can "confirm" that "Smudger" is not an avatar. "Smudger" is not an eBayer - the user under this name doesn't sell or buy anything. "Smudger's" posts are obvious awkward attempts of an American to emulate British English. "Smudger" only appears on this board when Jaywild is posting his subliterary frame-ups. Give me any factual reason to believe that "Smudger" is not "Jaywild."
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-22-07 at 06:52:40 PST   Listings
COPAKEBRI That pane of 10 looks good and with the two cert's or statements about it makes it a prize.Watch the bidding and if the other buyers {12 bids already} are experience Hawaii buyers then its a safe bid .My guess is that it could go over the catalog of 10 single stamps {it has 8 days left to bid} .Very interested item ....paul
Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-22-07 at 06:43:34 PST   Listings
retorix & Co.,

"Serving Monarch" is a most ridiculous oxymoron and euphemism. To understand this, one doesn't need a dictionary.

(What is it about you guys? As soon as you see a word longer than two syllables, you suspect a poster is using a dictionary? Clearly, you are judging others by your Neanderthal standards...)

Socialist dogma is independent thinking? LOL!

Thanks for a bit of laughter in the morning!

Here's my Christmas Carol for you, intellectual giants:

If we are to believe that, in fact, Christmas Eve
Celebrates what, in fact, has been done,
Then the date of Big Bang we could certainly hang
Circa March 25th, -1.


Season's greetings to all!
Posted by oggilby   ( 1245 ) on Dec-22-07 at 06:11:32 PST   Listings
Ring out solstice bells and dance around the yule log, the real meaning of the season.... Take heart all ye of the Northern Hemisphere, summer is only 6 months away! ALso take time to remember all those who fought through the winter months in Europe & Korea.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-22-07 at 05:37:00 PST   Listings
Larry What a pleasent experience to see such a positive mature response to my questions. I also hope no offence was taken by my comments.If so I apologize in advance. That was never my intention as I'm sure it was not yours.

We agree wholeheartedly on the difficulty of identifying colours on the computer. The colour of a postmark from the German inflation period is often one of the vital factors to determine authenticity. Hence the many posts about that subject. I understood your comments to refer to a discussion about the actual colour of a stamp. But now it is clear you were refering to the postmark colour discussion.
Of course once a message / response has been posted we don't always come across exactly as we intended and that so often is what starts of the too frequent arguments here. A simple misunderstanding escalates into a war of words.

Roly Don't give up on your efforts to convince the current recognised experts you have a new variety. Every year collectors do discover new items and although the hard part is to get your research recognised, I wish you all the very best on proving your case.

NOIP I can confirm that Jaywild and Smudger are not one and the same person.

I'm now officially on holiday until 2 January, whoopee !! The Xmas shopping is done, the presents all wrapped and time for me to relax and continue working on the collection and stamps in general.


Posted by copakebri   ( 192 ) on Dec-22-07 at 05:33:44 PST   Listings
Does anyone have any comments about this item:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320198800634

"Westerberg Plate 7A, 2c black, med. white laid paper,
This is a rare opportunity to own an entire pane of 10 Hawaiian Numeral stamps. Single stamps from this Plate 7A - Scott #24 usually sell in auction at an average of $300 each, or more. It is quite rare to find an entire pane of 10, not often seen or available. I have personally seen only 1 other offered at auction in the last 3 years. It is truly valuable (worth more than its 10 x $300 break up value) and a must for the true collector of early Hawaiian stamps. This pane also includes some rare variations.

Does anyone know the provenance? The value? Thanks.


Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1449 ) on Dec-22-07 at 05:21:23 PST   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Jim L.

member
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-22-07 at 05:19:13 PST   Listings
NOIP-----Its 7;17 a.m. and its still dark outside,did I get hit too hard last night or is this the winter solcises {sp}.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-22-07 at 05:15:45 PST   Listings
D1 -----The information that was posted by you and from e-bay about N.Y.STAMPS is incorrect .The owner has sat next to me for many hours at different stamp auction firms and we exchange lots we were both viewing and discussed the lots . He is a very aggressive buyer and a easy guy to talk too.Try a better approch and leaving the cutting part out . LOL ....Paul
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-22-07 at 04:56:58 PST   Listings
need coffee before I post------ ,body in pain ,too much pain from nightly workouts.Need to learn to stop the punchs better.The difference in a 25 year old and a 58 year old is the duration of the pain to the body .
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-22-07 at 04:50:20 PST   Listings
ROLY Good to see you posting again .

Saw a nice exhibit a few weeks ago and thought of you .My wife and I attended the FLOREX 2007 stamp show in Florida ,there was a major exhibit of NEW ZEALAND One Penny Dominion.It had history,flaws and oddities,1909-1926 it was done by a Peter Leaming nice exhibit.

ON THE SUBJECT of experts ----You missed a posting by me a few weeks ago about a collector/dealer who specialisted in one U.S. stamp much like you .He sent in a stamp to be expertisted as a new variety but it was rejected,but it was rejected by the expert committee.He did his own research and discovered it to be a new varity and went back and kicked the experts in the head and they issued a new certificate as a real vatiety.Matt H. natural wrote the correct story without the kicking part and that maybe is more correct.But what im saying is do your own research and let us all know your decision and the out come.....paul

Posted by retorix   ( 4 ) on Dec-22-07 at 03:03:33 PST   Listings
Hmmm, afeht. Hello!
""serving Monarch," hmm... semantically, that goes together with "sex worker,"
Repeating Smudger - Get your mind out of the gutter (you're a pain).

"One of the obvious reasons why many people are reluctant to post on this board is that you and your very few friends turned it into an endless private exchange of toilet-level, trashy jokes, cowardly name-calling, and saccharine mutual congratulation that has nothing to do with philately (or with anything else, except your personal ignobility)."

Please take a breath! and quit using your dictionary to conjure up "difficult" words you think we may not understand., You have discovered the elite of chat boards on eBay. No single sentence postings here, only seriously considered, provocative positions relating to mankind and his environment. "Stamps" is just an intellectual pastime filling a void, usually discovered quite early in life, to use the "curiosity" area in our brains. We don't require cranked up bombastic responses to our posts. Just read and enjoy our socialist dogma with disgust, We know you will never understand independent thinking. .
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Posted by smudger_the_ink   ( 1 ) on Dec-22-07 at 02:30:55 PST   Listings
afeht

Your explanation regarding your comments about Queen Elizabeth do nothing to change my opinion of you.
If you have to stoop to the level of the gutter to make your point then in my opinion you have lost the argument,

To other readers of this board domiciled in the US
I just wonder if someone from Europe would have made similar comments about your first lady what your responses would have been.

Larry
Posted by smudger_the_ink   ( 1 ) on Dec-22-07 at 02:24:33 PST   Listings
infla-alec
Actually my comments were not aimed at you. I have no disparaging remarks about your covers. In fact I enjoy looking at them. I also have nothing against German stamps. It just so happened that someone posted some German stamps and was asking about the colour of the stamp and the colour of the postmark.
My comments yesterday was about identifying different colours on the internet and how futile this can be. I can remember some time ago discussions on this board about the differences between pink and pigeon red or pink, something to do with US colours anyway. It was pointed out then that is was difficult as everyone’s monitor was different in the way it was set up. Nothing has changed in this area.

Why I should be linked to jaywild beats me.I think the poster was trying to stir up trouble again.

Larry


Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Dec-21-07 at 23:14:30 PST   Listings
Please...if the current goal is unmasking EBay ID's, work on the Chingis the Mongolian mystery first. Whispered rumors are he has a stash of commercial Tanu Tuva covers, the price of acquisition being simply - marry his sister. How ugly can she be? I mean guys, we're talking Tanu Tuva commercial covers!
Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-21-07 at 21:27:03 PST   Listings
Matthew… How’d you do that?

Jim
Posted by matthew1999   ( 177 ) on Dec-21-07 at 21:02:58 PST   Listings
Dang it!

Elizabeth is now older than Victoria.

Mh
Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-21-07 at 20:13:04 PST   Listings
arafat… Gee, you’re wrong about something else. Sorry to disappoint you, but I have no idea who smudger is. ’Taint me.

You try so desperately hard to sound witty and intelligent. Perhaps the strain is what puts you in your bad moods. Maybe you could take some of the drugs your hero Rush Limbaugh is hooked on. And I know, he’s not an addict, the poor thing is just misunderstood.

Sniffle—so sad…



Jim
Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-21-07 at 19:50:58 PST   Listings
infla-alec,

I think you are wasting your time explaining anything to "smudger_the_ink," since "smudger" is obviously jaywild's avatar (look at his feedback, and note the "smudger" posts only when jaywild is active here).

Just trying to help...
Posted by matthew1999   ( 177 ) on Dec-21-07 at 19:42:59 PST   Listings
saphilatelics,

Glad you enjoyed your trip to Prague - and found the museum and at least one shop open. Sorry to hear about the bourse, perhaps they were closed for the holidays already.

Hope you enjoyed your pivo (or dva) - na zdravi !!!

Mh

Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-21-07 at 18:58:30 PST   Listings
philatarium,

I bookmarked your links to "eBay dealers' rankings" and "Hall of Shame"; thank you for providing them.

However, I disagree with the harsh evaluation of "NYstamps" on these pages. My experience with this dealer, so far, has been positive, not to mention that his stratospheric positive feedback speaks for itself.
Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-21-07 at 18:03:34 PST   Listings
Jaywild,

Yasser Arafat has been awarded (on par with your idol, Al Gore) a Nobel Peace Prize by the group of socialist cowards. Strange that you, being of their ilk, seem to ascribe some denigrating value to his name.

Unfortunately for your puny ego, it's far beneath me to take seriously anything you burp out.

You are welcome to invoke the ghost of blissfully late Arafat, and to communicate with it to your heart's content. You'd be two funniest birds of a feather.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-21-07 at 17:32:11 PST   Listings
arafat… My, my—first it was the country, now it’s the chatboard that you can’t tolerate. Why on earth do you continue to stay in the one, and visit the other?

You’d probably be much happier confining your recreation time to AM talk radio. You wouldn’t have to open your dictionary either!

Just trying to help…

Jim
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-21-07 at 17:20:48 PST   Listings
Larry alias smudger Ok so you found the German stamp colours when discussed here boring. Did I miss something here ? When were stamp colours discussed ? Yes I have shown some German material here on many occasions as have a few others. But that was all about postal history and not colours. Am I to take it that you don't want to see posts made regarding stamp colours or is it just German colours that offends you ? or is it "endless posts" about certain subjects that has annoyed you ?

I agree trying to id any countries stamp colour purely from a scan is not the best way to go. However it does in most cases I feel give others a chance to at least see something closely resembling whatever is being asked or discussed.

So if posts about German philately are boring please do say here what exactly you want to see shown and talked about here ? You could always show and tell us about your own interests. This board can only ever be successful if others make an effort to participate. Though having seen over the few years I have been a regular here I can understand why some are reluctant to say anything !

Yes I am one of those who has called for the board to have more philatelic content. But by the same token I don't take offence to posts made that are not. It is the personal attacks made here that I and many others object to.

To make this post more philatelic the web site design help where I plan to show all my collection and help others with information is coming along nicely. Well at least I think so. Without Katrina's help I would still be dead in the water. It will be a while yet before I'm ready to give out the site URL but once everything is ready I'll be sure to let others know where to find it.
Actually although frustrating at times once explained in simple terms adding content to a web site is not so hard to do. No matter what I am having fun doing it and once again my warmest thanks go to my very patient teacher.
Posted by rolyrj   ( 7 ) on Dec-21-07 at 16:38:19 PST   Listings
HI Bob,

I will get these Universal to you right away. A slightly delayed Chrissie Present :)

Billsey

Basically the stamp I submitted is a Booklet but with perf 11. The Booklet stamp can be plated perfectly and there is no question on that but how did it get perfed 11, that is the question.

I am not so much annoyed that it failed certification as I am for the rational in failing it. ie. "We have never seen an example like this before therefore it must be a forgery".

Grrr... But you are right and it will be a facinating journey proving (or disproving) my case :)

Cheers

Roly
Posted by billsey   ( 869 ) on Dec-21-07 at 16:17:08 PST   Listings
Bob, drop by The Dalles one of these weekends with your computer stuff and I'll get it up and running again for you...
Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-21-07 at 16:15:42 PST   Listings
smudger and greenwave,

My comment was not about the Queen but about the verbiage used in connection with the Queen. If you didn't understand my comment, it's your problem, not mine.

jaywild,

One of the obvious reasons why many people are reluctant to post on this board is that you and your very few friends turned it into an endless private exchange of toilet-level, trashy jokes, cowardly name-calling, and saccharine mutual congratulation that has nothing to do with philately (or with anything else, except your personal ignobility).
Posted by rclwa   ( 984 ) on Dec-21-07 at 16:12:36 PST   Listings
Hi all--still at the library but with more and more reasons to get back to my own rig, perhaps I can break the chain of ''things to do first'' and get to it.

Sheryll -- Many thanks for the much appreciated Christmas card and enclosure.

Roly -- Yes, I would appreciate the opportunity to provide a home for those cancels. I'm at POB 2202, Wenatchee WA 98807 USA. Also at rclwa-AT-nwi-DOT-net, if you wish to email. I'd like a reminder of the address I sent those lost Chalons to, a year and a half ago.

Still finding a few items to bid on, so I'm not completely out of the game. I've saved most of the board for the past few months, though by the time I have time to view it on my own rig, most will probably be moot. I doo want to get back into discussions soon.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS, ALL!

Bob in WA
Posted by billsey   ( 869 ) on Dec-21-07 at 16:12:16 PST   Listings
Roly, when you are the expert and your opinion differs from the expertizers, you just need to come up with better documentation. It's typically not easy (or else they'd have been able to figure it out themselves) but it's the only way to convince them to change their judgment.

I'd look very closely at differences in hole spacing and alignment, to see if you can find examples of the line or comb perf machine that created the anomaly. You'll probably also need to come up with plausible explanations for the odd perf...
Posted by rolyrj   ( 7 ) on Dec-21-07 at 15:58:28 PST   Listings
Here is a good one and one bound to raise a few comments I am sure.

I recently submitted one of my Penny Universals to have it Expertised.

Now, argueably, I am just as much of an Expert on this series as those I am seeking an opinion from but I am unable to "Certify" my own stamps of course.

The stamp has come back saying it is a Forgery but with the comment "we have not seen such an example before".

My question then is, just because an example has not been sighted before doe that automatically make it a forgery?

I say NO. The stamp in question has a very unusual perf arrangement. Different perf arrangements are very common for the London Print ( I have examples of 23 such different arragements as acn be seen HERE ) but this stamp is one from the Booklet series.

Now the perf arrangement IS entirely possible but I too have never seen it before.

I have examined the perfs in detail making minute measurements etc and everything checks out perfectly, it just simply hasn't be seen before until now.

Agreed that after 104 yrs one would expect to have come across fruther examples, but it is not impossible.

So good folks of Ebay Chat.... Opinions please :)

Cheers

Roly
Posted by knuden   ( 2402 ) on Dec-21-07 at 15:18:48 PST   Listings
Today I got a nice surprise - a beautyfull Christmass greeting from Oggilby - Thank you Burton and a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you! :O)

K.E  I'm a catalog king, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

Posted by de66   ( 1174 ) on Dec-21-07 at 14:49:27 PST   Listings
Glen sorry i don't, but i know a Chinese man who works for the Dept of Revenue and speaks English.
D1
Posted by big_bird   ( 661 ) on Dec-21-07 at 14:10:15 PST   Listings
Hi all:
Anyone know of a catalog in English that lists Chinese revenue stamps.

Glen
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 83 ) on Dec-21-07 at 13:36:28 PST   Listings
Normally I smile at the backchat that goes on and with the odd arguments that explode from time to time. However, I do take exception to the comments about our Queen. Alex you need to learn to be a bit more diplomatic before posting. Like a number of others here I am also coming to believe you are a complete "merchant banker"
Peter
Posted by smudger_the_ink   ( 1 ) on Dec-21-07 at 12:15:06 PST   Listings


jaywild's comments could be correct especially after the uncalled and not funny comment about Betty Windsor made earlier.I don't particularly like her but I don't stoop to the level of the gutter when talking about her.

However certain posters on this board asked that only philatelic posts be made here. Now we can see how dead and boring the chat board has become with endless posts about colours of German stamps. Isn't it about time that regulars on the board got it into their heads that the colour they see is different to what others see due to monitors being different and scanners scanning at different frequencies.

This board was famous for it's non philatelic comments. Now all we get is someone calling in then flouncing out again saying that nothing has changed and they won't come back for another ten years. Who cares?

Larry





Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-21-07 at 11:59:14 PST   Listings
Burt… Whenever arafat shows up, people go elsewhere.

Jim
Posted by oggilby   ( 1245 ) on Dec-21-07 at 09:51:41 PST   Listings
Greetings to the DEAD stamp chat board! Wow, where did everybody go?
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1449 ) on Dec-21-07 at 03:22:31 PST   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Jim L.
member
Posted by de66   ( 1174 ) on Dec-21-07 at 01:55:36 PST   Listings
According to eBay records NYSTAMPS is Musheng Wu anybody know him?

D1
Posted by de66   ( 1174 ) on Dec-21-07 at 01:53:12 PST   Listings
Thanks Guys

I'm not one to rock the boat, i may have sent him emails saying he needs his balls cut off for describing so bad.

But i can't see that upsetting somebody's tender sensitivity.

D1
Posted by philatarium   ( 241 ) on Dec-20-07 at 23:08:26 PST   Listings
D1:

Look here
(scroll down a bit)

and here


Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-20-07 at 22:56:11 PST   Listings
de66:

"NYstamps" is their eBay username. I bought from them many times, and their packages come from "Sun Philatelics," which I've seen advertising in Linn's. I don't believe they would have any problem being an APS member. Quality of their material is usually above average (though it can vary as their turnover is large), and they have a "no questions asked 7-day return policy," which is OK.

Sorry you've run into a problem with them. Maybe you've sent them an unfriendly e-mail, and hurt somebody's tender sensitivity? That often results in a prolonged silence on the seller's part...
Posted by philatarium   ( 241 ) on Dec-20-07 at 22:47:46 PST   Listings
Alex, thanks for the heads-up on the bad link. (It has some extraneous characters in it.)

Corrected link (with fingers crossed):

http://www.pacificanalytics.com/eBay2007/Korea-6-9.jpg

Thanks!
Posted by de66   ( 1174 ) on Dec-20-07 at 22:32:37 PST   Listings
In fact i am told by Ken Martin Deputy Executive Director
American Philatelic Society that they are not even members of APS

D1
Posted by de66   ( 1174 ) on Dec-20-07 at 22:25:13 PST   Listings
Hmmm further on the NYstamps saga.

Acording to APS they are not life members as written in their descriptions, it has been a month now and no refund i sent the item back 3 weeks ago and no action from Paypal yet.

To refresh your memory. I brought a Qld stamp here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190167181007 which once inspected had been rebacked here: http://www.revenuesociety.org.uk/qld/back.jpg

D1
Posted by afeht   ( 1210 ) on Dec-20-07 at 22:12:44 PST   Listings
Dave (philatarium): your second link brings up a search engine page.

Re: nauseating congrats to EII: "serving Monarch," hmm... semantically, that goes together with "sex worker," I suppose. Modern Europe at its finest.

Posted by mini*lindy   ( 557 ) on Dec-20-07 at 22:03:49 PST   Listings
Congratulations to Queen Elizabeth II of England
from today, officially Englands Oldest serving Monarch at
81 years and 243 days old.

***
Posted by philatarium   ( 241 ) on Dec-20-07 at 20:55:10 PST   Listings
Korea, anyone?

I'd like to determine whether or not any of the stamps in these two sets is genuine:

Korea 1894 (Scott 1-2, unlisted 3-5)

Korea 1895 (Scott 6-9)


Any thoughts? (I know counterfeits abound, but if there's a legitimate one in here, I'd like to find it!)

Thanks in advance, and Happy Holidays!

-- Dave
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1449 ) on Dec-20-07 at 18:12:29 PST   Listings
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Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-20-07 at 17:32:03 PST   Listings
Lindy… Aw, what a cute e-card. Thanks, and same to you!!!

You’ll probably get my snail card after Xmas. I was very slow in mailing them out this year…

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-20-07 at 17:28:49 PST   Listings
alec & chaswilly… Beautiful infla-items.

Yes Roly, nice to see you.

Jim
Posted by bjornmu   ( 960 ) on Dec-20-07 at 15:12:59 PST   Listings
Saphil, I was sort of in Prague at work today too, in the form of being looged into a computer there (two actually) to do some work. :-) I was there for real at the start of my summer vacation last year, but must confess I didn't do anything philatelic.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-20-07 at 14:57:31 PST   Listings
Saphilatelics Nice to hear you are enjoying your trip. When in Germany and you want to know where the stamp shops are simply look in their yellow pages telephone book under Briefmarken Händler.
Posted by saphilatelics   ( 517 ) on Dec-20-07 at 14:37:11 PST   Listings
Greetings to all,
just czeching (sorry, I just couldn't resist) in from Prague, had a fun time at the postal museum on Novy Mlny today, if any of you ever happen to be in Prague, it is very worthwhile, the entrance fee of 50 CKR is a joke (around US$ 2.80), and they have a very respectable stamp collection, in pull-out frames similar to the postal museum in DC, I spent some time looking at their German States (with very few exceptions, over-complete with many nice stamps) and I literally drooled over a specialized collection of early Austria. Some nice Czech items on display, such as proofs, entire sheets, and printing plates of the first stamps of then-Czechoslovakia (designed by Alphonse Mucha), it was nice to see his work in miniature after having seen his grander works (literally, as many are floor-to-ceiling posters for plays of the Parisian actress Sarah Bernhardt in art deco [Jugendstil] style) the day before at the Mucha museum.
Picked up some nice items at a stamp shop in Alfa Paszaz off Venceslas Square, but struck out with many of the other stamp stores recommended to me by someone here (forget who it was, matthew-something?--Thank you again), most of them appear to have closed. I also was unable to find the stamp bourse at the school of economics on Italska, not sure that is there anymore, as I walked all over the place to no avail.
Headed back to Germany tomorrow, but will putmy remaining time to use in some of the local pivnice, having a pivo--or dva!
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-20-07 at 13:02:02 PST   Listings
Charles Yes it pays to know the dates and as you know I work very closely with Dieter Weinbuch on research for the OPD issues.

I'm envious of your EF 331b. That's one of the few single frankings I'm still missing.Remember me whenever you decide to sell any of your OPD covers please :-)

The MEF 331b recently won is indeed dated 10.11.23 and will go together nicely with my other MEF 331a 10.11.23. Foreign registered letter. Reverse bears a further three copies to make the correct rate.

Good luck on the Mi 174. Date slug errors are known of course but even so many of the dates in Michel are wrong and they have been told this by the BPP experts. Yet they seem very reluctant to change their ctalogues in any hurry.
Posted by chaswilly   ( 1676 ) on Dec-20-07 at 12:34:34 PST   Listings
infla-alec Congrats on the MeF 293 dated 25.9.23. Great find! My EF 29.9.23 went down in flames. Weinbuch reported to me that the previously known earliest recorded example was 26.9.23. So you take the prize (for now). Here is my EF 331 with earliest recorded date of 10.11.23. Can't tell from your scan, but appears to be the same date. Congrats on that find also! Going to send this to Weinbuch next year. DR 174 canceled 25.7.21, a full two months before September (as in MICHEL). He's seen it and said it looked OK, but may be a date slug error. We'll see.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 960 ) on Dec-20-07 at 11:24:18 PST   Listings
Bob in WA's user name is rclwa, and yes he collects bridges.

Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-20-07 at 11:23:03 PST   Listings
Apoligies for the HTML last cover link screw up. If it affects the board report the post and I'll try again using the correct HTML code.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-20-07 at 11:20:06 PST   Listings
Lynn Thanks for the reply. I'll try and make a scan later today or tomorrow. So little time these past few days. I guess everyone else is also caught up in the seasonal chaos.

Roly The bridge guy is our very own Bob in WA. Though for the life of me can't remember his ebay nickname.

Recent purchases Foreign Registered letter with possible earliest known date of use. For the 250 Tausend provisional printing value Mi # 293, despite what Michel say for the first day of issue being 20 September 1923 I am sure this is not correct. All the examples i know of are all dated after 27 September, 1923.
Mi 296 OPD Erfurt One of the harder OPD's to get this stamp as a single franking from.
Hitler Provisional on foreign letter cancelled first day of the new rate, 10 November 1923. Not the better colour but still a nice piece to have.
Very nice multiple franking of the scarcer rouletted perfs type. Cancelled on 1.Dec 1923, the first day of the rate for that postal period and also the day the new currency was introduced. As such the old Milliarden stamps were accepted as being valid for postage using the exchange rate of 10 Milliarden Marks = 1 Renten Pfennig. The reverse bears a further 16 copies so it is the correct rate.

Thankfully none were bought at anything like the auction house estimates. Using a US based auction agent on this deal alone saved me somewhere in the region of $475. I guess I bought myself a few nice early Christmas presents :-)
Believe me the agent I use is well known in the US and I can highly recommend him to anyone who ever bids with any of the US main auction houses. Lets just say he has access to places the average collector will never have. If anyone wants the name of the agent please ask. I'm not sure I can give such information openly to the board .
Posted by stamps-4-ever   ( 135 ) on Dec-20-07 at 08:39:17 PST   Listings
Why did Macao bisect their stamps for postage to Hong Kong. Are these just philatelic or was their use for real.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1449 ) on Dec-20-07 at 03:23:52 PST   Listings
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Posted by mini*lindy   ( 557 ) on Dec-20-07 at 03:15:27 PST   Listings
Again! seems this is the second time BidPay have closed down.

nice to see you posting again Roly

Linda
Posted by knuden   ( 2402 ) on Dec-20-07 at 00:34:38 PST   Listings
To those of you who use BidPay or have used it.
I have recieved this mail:
"Urgent Notice
Effective December 31, 2007, BidPay.com, Inc. will be discontinuing operations. We regret any inconvenience to our users and thank you for your patronage over the years. Please note the following important details about the shutdown. Please plan accordingly.
· Effective IMMEDIATELY, BidPay will no longer accept new BidPay seller account registrations.
· Effective IMMEDIATELY, banner insertions for new auctions will be disabled. That means that any attempts to add “BidPay” as a payment option in auctions will not be effective. Accordingly, you should offer alternative forms of payment.
· Effective 5:00 P.M. PST, December 25, 2007, BidPay will cease accepting payments, and new buyer account registrations will be disabled.
· From January 1, 2008 through 11:59 P.M. PST, January 31, 2008, registered users will have read-only access to their BidPay account information."

I have checked their homepage and here it's written the same - so no hoax. :O)

K.E  I'm a catalog king, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

Posted by rolyrj   ( 7 ) on Dec-20-07 at 00:25:15 PST   Listings
Hi All

It has been a while since I was last on chat and I have forgotten who the "BRIDGE" nutters are :)

If anyone is interested in BRIDGE Postmarks then I have a few HERE that are free to a good home.

Cheers

Roly
Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-19-07 at 22:27:28 PST   Listings
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Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3840 ) on Dec-19-07 at 18:40:07 PST   Listings

should be an easy Google

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3840 ) on Dec-19-07 at 18:39:08 PST   Listings

re Alaska Emergency Airmail: I think there was a lapse in the air mail contract(s) for carrying air mail from, to and across Alaska, so the US army was pressed into service to fill the need until civilian flights resumed. My AAMCs are elsewhere but I think they are even listed in there. There are as I recall quite a few, lots of different cachets, I have seen them in the $3 to $12 range.

jeff-raff

Posted by 19thcentpostal   ( 213 ) on Dec-19-07 at 15:50:01 PST   Listings
infla-alec
'91 Helbock guide to WA post offices says Silver creek PO started 1875 and still operating. Scarcity index 0. Perhaps note was in reference to type of cancellation?
Lynn
Posted by chaswilly   ( 1676 ) on Dec-19-07 at 15:44:47 PST   Listings
jaywild, maybe the wrong category, but on cursory inspection, I'd say they were reperfed.
Posted by big_bird   ( 661 ) on Dec-19-07 at 14:43:37 PST   Listings
I know these
are Chinese stamps of some sort, but have never seen them befor and I've
been collecting stamps for 40 years.


Anyone have an idea?


Glen Bird

Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-19-07 at 13:23:20 PST   Listings
Ooops sorry obviously I am assuming the Wash refers to the State Washington State, as does Oreg refer to Oregon State.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 565 ) on Dec-19-07 at 13:20:28 PST   Listings
US cancel help please. I have a US 2 cent postal stationery envelope cancelled Portland Oreg, July 22 1892. On the reverse is a one ring circular arrival cancel from Silver Creek Wash dated Jul 25 1892. In pencil spmeone has written Silver Creek Wash scarce town cancel. Is this true or wishful thinking on someone's part ?
I can provide a scan if needed but don't have one at the moment.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-19-07 at 13:14:55 PST   Listings
NOIP… Wrong category of the day nominee…

Jim
Posted by jarvisto   ( 1128 ) on Dec-19-07 at 12:42:36 PST   Listings
22028, I think you can be right about this payment that he did make a mistake.
Posted by jarvisto   ( 1128 ) on Dec-19-07 at 12:41:59 PST   Listings
iomoon, thanks for the translation if he gives me payment ID then paypal can tell me where the payment went. Regards, Vesa
Posted by 22028   ( 1669 ) on Dec-19-07 at 11:22:58 PST   Listings
Vesa, ones I had entered a wrong paypal email address in my paypal invoice and it took me a while to figure that out.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-19-07 at 10:43:23 PST   Listings
Vesa

My written French is not too hot, but try

Pouvez-vous envoyer votre information au subject de Paypal paiement a moi.

(Can you send your information about the Paypal payment to me).
Posted by jarvisto   ( 1128 ) on Dec-19-07 at 10:11:25 PST   Listings
iomoon, I have had many cases in past month that payment is been showing payment pending via paypal for a weeks and then when I check the status from paypal it says instant. in this case that don´t aply. in this case I have communication problem with buyer so just need to sure he won´t neg me because we don´t understand each other. he has good feedback so I know he is not no payer. Vesa
Posted by stamps-4-ever   ( 135 ) on Dec-19-07 at 08:27:43 PST   Listings
Hello oggilby, I noticed one ad on Ebay that started his stamps at 99 cents with a $14.00 Postage Charge.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-19-07 at 08:19:41 PST   Listings
Vesa

No need.

Go to your "my eBay" selling page.
Look up the item.
If it has been paid by paypal, it will show as having been paid.
Even if payment is pending, it will show that as well.
If neither of these can be seen, they haven't paid yet.
Posted by jarvisto   ( 1128 ) on Dec-19-07 at 08:11:00 PST   Listings
Hello everyone. If there is some one who writes france could help me. I have a buyer whos english is as bad as my france claims he paid via paypal his item but I just can not find the payment and I just want to tell him that and if he could e-mail me that payment information so I can ask from paypal. I´ll chech back later here. thank you in advance. Vesa
Posted by 1covers   ( 1372 ) on Dec-19-07 at 07:50:09 PST   Listings
stamps4ever - to be able to sell souvenirs to unsuspecting collectors I imagine. Maybe it snowed that year!
Posted by stamps-4-ever   ( 135 ) on Dec-19-07 at 07:41:13 PST   Listings
I have an Alaskan Cover 1935 with a rubber stamps that says "Emergency Mail Service Via Airplane from Crooked Creek, Alaska" what is the reason for this rubber stamp.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-19-07 at 06:36:31 PST   Listings
Good day all.

Nick

Purely a fad.


What is it with spammers?
My spam mailbox has tripled in the last week.
Apart from the usual little blue pill, there seem to be a profusion of replica watches and invitations to join online gambling.
Posted by kathmoon   ( 370 ) on Dec-19-07 at 06:32:43 PST   Listings
NOIP: In the late 1970s/early 1980s there were always large promotions to buy British Commonwealth "Traffic Light" Gutter Pairs. Was this a Pump-and-Dump or was this just a "Fad"? Certainly did not hear much about them after that. Nick
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Posted by oggilby   ( 1245 ) on Dec-19-07 at 06:06:41 PST   Listings
Greetings to all from Central Maryland!

The finest example of an inverted jenny that I've ever seen!
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1449 ) on Dec-18-07 at 20:05:42 PST   Listings
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Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-18-07 at 19:35:30 PST   Listings
NOIP… Definition of “pump-and-dump” from Wikipedia—
A typical pump and dump scenario—

Pump and dump schemes tend to take place either on the Internet including e-mail spam campaigns or through telemarketing from "boiler room" brokerage houses. Often the stock promoter will claim to have "inside" information about impending news. Newsletters that purport to offer unbiased recommendations then tout the company as a "hot" stock. Messages in chat rooms and email spam urge readers to buy the stock quickly.

Unwitting investors then purchase the stock, creating high demand and raising the price. When the people behind the scheme sell their shares and stop promoting the stock, the price plummets, and other investors are left holding stock that is worth significantly less than what they paid for it.”
There is no requirement that the stock be worthless. While many P&D schemes involve penny stocks, the really sophisticated schemes involve stocks that are widely held and traded, and thus subject to very wild swings. In such scams it is options rather than the stocks themselves that are bought and subsequently “dumped”. Instead of buying 1,000 shares a scamster can buy perhaps 20,000 options for the same price and thus clear 20 times the profit.

J. Pumpendump Morgan
Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-18-07 at 17:44:53 PST   Listings
mini*lindy And thanks for the neat Oct 5 cover!

Jim
Posted by timberwolf-the-cat   ( 0 ) on Dec-18-07 at 17:34:20 PST   Listings
Yeah lindy, thanks for the card. I guess the tuna coupons must have fallen out before you sealed the envelope…

^..^
Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-18-07 at 17:30:47 PST   Listings
mini*lindy I just got back, traveling through buckets of rain on my motorcycle, from the P O with your cute Christmas card! Thanks, and Timberwolf says Mrowr! Yours can’t go out till tomorrow—too much rain at the moment.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-18-07 at 16:11:23 PST   Listings
Cornering the market—any market… The example of the Hunts, who tried to corner the silver market in the 1980s, is particularly instructive. although attempts to corner any market are illegal.

I thick what was described here is more accurately called “pump-and-dump”, where a long position is created, a buzz is then stirred up to inflate the holding, then the holding is liquidated.

Jim
Posted by dbenson   ( 8772 ) on Dec-18-07 at 15:57:29 PST   Listings
Jimbo,

there are many factors that would never be known.

How many examples of the high values are in Museums, how many in Thematic collections, how many are outside the US which would never be graded by PSE, who cares, it just proves that the stamps are just some of the pricy but common stamps,

David B.
Posted by jimbo   ( 424 ) on Dec-18-07 at 15:14:11 PST   Listings
David,
Thanks for that link. It is interesting that 204 $5 have been listed/graded while only 181 of the $2 have been listed/graded. There were 45,550 $2 issued which is over twice as many as were issued for the $5.

I think that says something about how the grading process tends to be skewed by self-selection. There are also some factors about the usage of the $2 that didn't apply to the $5.

I also think that only a miniscule fraction of the existing stamps have been submitted for grading. First off, most people don't submit them if they are known to be defective or are unattractive which probably accounts for at least half of the existing stamps. I also doubt if any more than a small number of owners (who have the bulk of the existing items as opposed to dealers) have submitted them for evaluation. The 204 is probably less than 1 1/2 % of the items available.

jimbo off for now
Posted by dbenson   ( 8772 ) on Dec-18-07 at 14:02:11 PST   Listings
found this

http://www.psestamp.com/popreport/frame.chtml?type_=1893%20Columbian%20Exposition

David B.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1713 ) on Dec-18-07 at 14:00:22 PST   Listings
Interesting the range of the two answers.
I suspect jimbo's answer is closer to the truth.
stamp's answer is probably is probably better if only mint stamps are considered.

Thank you both for responding.

Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-18-07 at 13:59:22 PST   Listings
HOW WOULD THE MARKET RESPOND ------Interesting question -----------There are two factors a market manipulator needs to know .First how big is the inventory both public holdings and any chance of someone holding big secret holding of that stamp ,Second after he/they ran the price up and prices are climbing who are they going to sell too,to unload it and make huge profits {or are prices going to panic and collapse}.

The thing a maket manipulator wants to do is buy a huge holding quietly and slowly over time and after a decent inventory is established then hype the idea to others so they can continue in the price rally .After that the public would catch on and drive the price even higher .This is the place the original holder needs to unload and haul in the profits. But human nature that it is and the dream of even higher prices catchs most investors until the price collapses under its own weight .

So to manipulate any market one needs to know inventory,have the money,start the ball rolling ,feed and inform other investors ,get the public excited and then have the smarts to cash-out before the market tops out .No simple task .........paul

Posted by dbenson   ( 8772 ) on Dec-18-07 at 13:24:57 PST   Listings
Jimbo, doesn't the PSE keep records of how many of each stamp it has graded and a record of which grades were allocated.

David B.
Posted by jimbo   ( 424 ) on Dec-18-07 at 11:40:40 PST   Listings
Paul,
You answered a different question: "How many complete sets of Columbians are there?" and not the question asked which was: "What is the estimated number of possible complete sets of the the US 1893 Columbian issue?"

The question you answered is possibly a more useful question. If 60 complete sets show up in auctions annually, how many $5 singles/multiples show up each year? I would suggest that possessing a $5 is likely to indicate a collection includes a complete set of Columbians but it certainly doesn't assure that the set is complete. The answer to this question probably has something to do with how the market would respond to an active buyer trying to acquire the float (almost like cornering the market).

jimbo just speculatin'
Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-18-07 at 11:34:41 PST   Listings
Columbians… It is also worth remembering that by the 1920s the Columbians were just so much bulk postage. People did the same thing with them they do with everything that is perceived as a “collectible”—they hoarded them until a quarter century later began slapping them on parcels because their value had languished at face all that time, and they added a nice touch to whatever was being mailed.

You might get a very detailed answer to your census question here, Richard Frajola’s board.

Jim
Posted by oggilby   ( 1245 ) on Dec-18-07 at 10:16:04 PST   Listings
Don't you just love these characters that start their items at 99 cents, but then then charge $5.00 for S/H? What a deal?

Greetings from Sunny, but cold Central Maryland, with Winter Solstice V & VI on the cd player today. But, my very favorite seasonal cd is Christmas by the Players, a group that Andy MacKay & Phil Manzanera, of Roxy Music fame, put together a nunber of years ago...

To make this a somewhat philatelic post, I love the US knit Holiday stamps of this year, That's three for three for the USPS with last year's snowflakes and the snowmen of two years ago!
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-18-07 at 10:07:26 PST   Listings
DCDEROO and JIMBO -------This is only a guess but something to think about .

The way I fiqure it there are about 60 complete sets that show up in stamp auctions each year and another 40 sets that exchange hands each year not at auctions . So about 100 complete sets change hands amoung the the 10,000 serious stamp collectors of U.S. MATERIAL.

If the turn around of a average collection is every 20 years .My quess is that there are about 2,000 complete sets out there . Some sets have turned around every few years and others locked away for many years . JUST A GUESS.

Posted by jimbo   ( 424 ) on Dec-18-07 at 09:16:11 PST   Listings
dcderoo,
Estimates being what they are, you start with Luff regarding the $5 (as quoted in Brookman, "27,350 copies of the stamps were sent to postmasters but according to Luff 5,506 copies were destroyed by the Department in June, 1899 which left only 21,844 copies available to collectors. $ values of the Columbians were not the best sellers the PO ever came up with.

At that starting point, you eliminate those that have been consumed by original postal use and not recovered, those which were used on covers still existing, those which have subsequently disappeared due to loss and destruction, etc. I have no real idea but I expect that these causes have reduced the number available both mint and used by a third making somewhere around 14,000 to 15,000 still in existence and potentially available to collectors. I would expect that the available float is less than 10% of that at around 1,000. Even that seems big.

Conclusion, if someone started to make up sets of Columbians, he would probably cause a demand spike in price for the items by the time he reached 300.

jimbo strictly guessing.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1449 ) on Dec-18-07 at 08:53:28 PST   Listings
zoe149
Re: Hinges – Yes! A lot of us still use hinges.
I’d suggest listing them as a lot. If they are the old Dennison hinges they will bring in bidders, as no one has yet come up with an equal replacement.

Re: Duplicates – I’d probably mix them up and sell as packet material/Kiloware.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1713 ) on Dec-18-07 at 06:43:57 PST   Listings
A bit of help, please.
What is the estimated number of possible complete sets of the the US 1893 Columbian issue?
I saw a number once years ago, but at the moment Google isn't helping me.
Between turnbacks to the BEP and other losses the number is somewhat less than the approximate 27,000 that was the printing amount for the high values.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-18-07 at 03:43:16 PST   Listings
KITTY ----Go to your local library,if they don't have it they can order it for you .If you have a stamp you need help with post a link here and we can identify it . Sometimes you can just decribe the stamp and 99% sure we can show you the stamp.This board is the fastest place for both philatelic answers and identifying stamps .
Posted by kitty186   ( 1056 ) on Dec-18-07 at 03:25:17 PST   Listings
GOOD DAY TO ALL I NEED SOME HELP ON FINDING BOOKS OR DISK THAT HAVE SCOTT # FOR WORLD STAMPS I HAVE BEEN EVERY WERE I'M ON A VERY LOW BUDGET. I HAVE LOST SIGHT IN ONE OF MY EYE'S IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND I NEED TO SELL MY STAMPS TO HELP ME GET BY.I HAVE BEEN WATCHING EBAY STAMPS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW AND I CAN'T ALWAY FIND MY STAMPS #'S . THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP IN ADVANCE AND HAPPY HOLIDAY'S
KITTY
Posted by de66   ( 1174 ) on Dec-17-07 at 23:10:35 PST   Listings
D2

We were down the Gold Coast today and never bumped into you... had to do the gardens, and a lick of paint on one bedroom wall, at one of the rentals, took the opportunity to do a bit of body surfing, it’s a tough life. Enjoy your stay.

D1
Posted by 19thcentpostal   ( 213 ) on Dec-17-07 at 20:23:29 PST   Listings
stamps-4-ever
My 1989 Helbock pocket guide of Alaska says Port Grahame operated from 1938-41 with a S/I of 3 and Port Graham from 1941-61 with a S/I of 1. Thats all I have.
Lynn
Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-17-07 at 20:22:58 PST   Listings
poppadawg… I had forgotten all about that 64-64b-65 color comparison. I should add it to my identifiers.

Zoe... The pink and rose pink stamps have both been certified as being that color.

Jim
Posted by poppadawg   ( 795 ) on Dec-17-07 at 18:40:48 PST   Listings
Zoe: here is a color comparison of the type of stamps you asked about. Saved the image from someone who is a regular here.
Posted by poppadawg   ( 795 ) on Dec-17-07 at 18:27:04 PST   Listings
Zoe: stamp you linked to earlier is NOT a 64 -wrong color - thus it is a 65. A fairly common old stamp.
Posted by zoe149   ( 12 ) on Dec-17-07 at 18:17:42 PST   Listings
stamphick
I do use black when I can but that one with a white back is hinged to that paper
z
Posted by jaywild   ( 1031 ) on Dec-17-07 at 18:16:01 PST   Listings
NOIP… There were flocks of screaming seabirds in the sky this afternoon headed east, supposedly a sign of terrible weather ahead. The prediction is for rain this evening through tomorrow morning. The last predicted “monster storm”, two weeks ago, yielded barely a drizzle.

stamps-4-ever... Well, usually Google is the best source. There is no Wikipedia article on Port Graham, so I don’t know where else to suggest to look.

Jim
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Dec-17-07 at 17:53:27 PST   Listings
zoe149...I suggest you scan with a colored background so that buyers can see the perfs better.
Posted by poppadawg   ( 795 ) on Dec-17-07 at 17:51:07 PST   Listings
Zoe: Your scan is fine for ebay. Try not to use their crappy image hosting service. Most people want to buy only one of Scottxxx, although you will see lots listed with multiple copies of the same stamp.


Mailing stamps in a glassine with a cardboard stiffener first class is usually the way to go. Personally, I cut up manila folders. And at this time of year, I am not adverse to using last year's Christmas cards.


You might want to hold off listing until after the first of the year. Not many buyers on at this time of year. After Jan.1, flush with cash, buyers will return in droves.

Posted by zoe149   ( 11 ) on Dec-17-07 at 17:06:43 PST   Listings
This is what I thought was a Scott 64, but on further examination I guess it could be a 65 or 66.

click here

What d'ya think?
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-17-07 at 16:47:34 PST   Listings
ZOEY-----The numbers on the Scott albums don't make sense.It may be just empty binders were purchased and someone put their own labels on them .

Sounds like a beginners collection or more accurate a accumaltion .Unless you can show a scan of any older better stuff.

Would have to say its all beginner material and the best you can hope for is 2 cent each, with the mint U.S. getting face if sold in a shoe box lots on e-bay .

Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-17-07 at 16:31:20 PST   Listings
CENTRAL CHINA ------Minium value
Posted by zoe149   ( 11 ) on Dec-17-07 at 16:27:36 PST   Listings
Can anyone please help me identify this stamp?
click here

This is my first attempt at creating a link to an image in my auctiva account, so if it doesn't work... try, try again. Let me know.

I suspect this is a Soviet something or other. There is no sign of any glue although it appears mint.

Also please critique the image quality. This is what I am planning to use for my listings. It is 300DPI.

Z
Posted by zoe149   ( 11 ) on Dec-17-07 at 15:57:11 PST   Listings
A couple more ?

So are buyers really more interested in purchasing say 5 ScottXXX then they are a ScottXXX, a ScottXXY, a ScottXXW, a ScottYYY and a ScottWWW?

Is mailing stamps in a glassine envelope with a cardbaord stiffener, first class mail, a standard shipping method? Any better ideas?

Thanks, z
Posted by zoe149   ( 11 ) on Dec-17-07 at 15:04:28 PST   Listings
Paul, et al,

Well there's alot of everything. A milk crate full of Albums, pre-printed and homemade, full and empty, US and foreign. There are at least 3 shoeboxes full of glassines (stuffed, not just 1 or 2), 1 US, 2 foreign. There are stock books, 1 precancels circa 1930;s, 1 US commerative. There are foreign stamps from every country I've ever heard of and a dozen or so I haven't (and I have a doctorate).
My maternal grandfather collected from ~1915-1960, he lived and worked in NYC and his is mostly old US, used, but lots of foreign too. The oldeset I've found so far are Scott 64, 134, 158, 219D and so on.
My patrnal grandmother collected from ~1930-1975. She lived in the USSR from 1929-1937 (where my father was born in Moscow). One of her children lived in the British Virgin Islands. They were all world travellers (and correspondants). There are a lot of BVI covers and tons more foreign stuff. The later 1960-1975 stuff is mostly US commmerative, a fair number of unused blocks. There is also lots of airmail, some tax revenue, postage due, christmas seals, etc.
It's a bit overwhelming and I haven't nearly gotten to the bottom of it.

POPPADAWG
One of the hinge bags is Dennison, but they are somewhat stuck together. Worth saving?

Thanks again for quick response, zoe
Posted by poppadawg   ( 795 ) on Dec-17-07 at 14:28:13 PST   Listings
Zoe In answer to you questions:


1. hinges...depends on the brand. If they are Dennison(pay attention to the spelling) they are very good and in demand here on eBay. Either use them or sell them. Any other brands, you may just want to trash them.


2. on paper stamps...probably not worth your time to soak them. Sort them by countries and list them as such.


3. foreign stamps...if a mess of stamps, they sell just as well in the US. Again sort by country or just sell by weight.


4. not really


5. scanning backs...only if there is a nasty hinge remnent or in the case of a stamp where a NH copy is much more valuable than a mint,hinged stamp.


6. toss 'em


7. see answer to questions 2 and 3.


Hope this helps some. Come back and ask more questions.

Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-17-07 at 14:14:15 PST   Listings
ZOEY-----We can answer all your questions about stamps,no matter the level of the collection .

First describe what you have, are they albums {what name or type},are they stockbooks with rows for placing stamps , any glassine or cards with stamps mounted, are they boxes or bags of stamps .

We need to establish what was spent to build that collection,any price list or invoices from dealers,were do you think the previous owner got the stamps . How are they arranged can give us a clue what the collector was doing .

Someone will offer information ,please try to give a better description and I will post later were I can answer .....paul

Posted by addu3b0b1   ( 84 ) on Dec-17-07 at 13:32:32 PST   Listings
thebriguy1,
Did you get my E-mail about the Jeff Davis Stamp and letter?
Posted by zoe149   ( 11 ) on Dec-17-07 at 13:16:10 PST   Listings
Howdy, from the Great American West!
Newbie here, where to start?
Well, I know I'm not supposed to say it (great start, huh?) but I inherited 2 humungous stamp collections (in storage since mid 70's), no, REALLY!. Now, I have been doing my homework, lots of lurking and research over several months and have some ebay experience and have an auctiva account and am very close to actually posting listings. But many questions remain.
1) Hinges: Does any one actaully use these anymore? I have several open but mostly unused bags of hinges. I have been thinking about giving some away FREE with any auction win, or would that just bum most philatelics out? Would it be better to sell them as a lot? Or just toss them?
2) There are literally many 10's of thousands of stamps, some are still on paper. Is it better to sell them on the paper (just the torn off corner of the envelope) or is it worhtwhile for me to soak them off?
3)There are massive quantities of foreign stamps (as well as the gigantic amounts of USA). I assume the market for the foreign may be better abroad? Therefore I must get involved with International shipping? I have also researched this extensively. Is it standard practice to just mail USPS International first class or is this just asking for problems? Seems like Priority or registered are a good idea but will foreign buyers realy pay the costs?
4) Any reason at all to market the USA stuff to foreign markets?
5) When, if ever, would it be worthwhile to scan the back (glue) of a stamp for listing?
6) I have ~ 20 empty (Nonstick dividing paper and good shape but no stamps) stamp booklets, some airmail and 5 cent circa 1963, and some later promoting zip codes. Are these worth listing?
7) I have gazzillions of duplicates. Are these better sold as lots of duplicates of the same stamp, or mixed lots with singles of other stamps I have gazillions of?

Well I'm sure I'll have lots more questions as time goes by, but I don't want to overload the system. Thanks so much in advance for your input. Please reference the question number when you reply. zoe

Posted by stamps-4-ever   ( 135 ) on Dec-17-07 at 13:15:48 PST   Listings
Hello jaywild, tried Google, gives information on it spelt as Port Graham, Alaska, but nothing on the old spelling of Port Grahame, or nothing on it changing names.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8769 ) on Dec-17-07 at 13:10:23 PST   Listings
IO,

good morning from a very warm Gold Coast, Queensland,

David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1056 ) on Dec-17-07 at 13:01:59 PST   Listings
Good day all.

From a freezing Scarsdale.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1030 ) on Dec-17-07 at 10:05:13 PST   Listings
Jim Fowler… Your “Flag Over Porch” link leads to some destructive spyware downloader. I suggest you review it and take appropriate action.

stamps-4-ever... Did you try Googling Port Grahame/Graham?

Jim
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1447 ) on Dec-17-07 at 08:47:39 PST   Listings
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Posted by stamps-4-ever   ( 135 ) on Dec-17-07 at 08:15:32 PST   Listings
I have a postal card with a old spelling of Port Grahame, Alaska, Territorial DPO, dated Nov 10, 1938, I understand the spelling was changed to read Port Graham in 1941, and the post office was discontinued in 1961. Could someone give me more historical background on this item.
Posted by oggilby   ( 1244 ) on Dec-17-07 at 07:49:46 PST   Listings
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Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Dec-17-07 at 05:58:25 PST   Listings
OGGILBY-----We had 8 inchs of "global warming" fall on my driveway in Chicago yesterday and now everything is frozen .This is the first time that I could remember shoveling snow three times before Christmas .
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1992 ) on Dec-17-07 at 05:36:57 PST   Listings
Things weren't too bad on the near east side of Cleveland. We had a little snow Saturday night but then mostly rain. Turned back to snow about 11 am Sunday, and snowed through about 4:30, only a few inches but a lot of drifting from heavy wind. The feared large quantity of slush never materialized for us. Things probably worse a few miles east in the "snow belt".

[all in all, much better than the Thanksgiving storm a couple years ago where it snowed about 8 inches and then rained on top of it for 6 hours]
Posted by oggilby   ( 1244 ) on Dec-17-07 at 04:59:37 PST   Listings
Gee,was it my bad breath or my BO that kept everybody away yesterday? If so, I apologize. I doubt if everybody was pushing snow or ice yesterday, even if the Weather Channel made it appear so. How did you Ohioans & Illinoisans fare yesterday? Did Sneeky get snowed in? Inquiring minds want to know?
Posted by big_bird   ( 660 ) on Dec-17-07 at 03:09:20 PST   Listings
Jim Fowler:
RE:Your revenue R155 Var (black ink and smaller in size overprint)

I believe your stamp is a fake as this is an easy overprint to try and fake..

G.Bird