eBay chatboard archive: Nov-19-07 to Nov-25-07 week

Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-25-07 at 23:11:58 PST   Listings
BJORN-----If its a real cancel,it is a late usage of the Hungarin type cancel on that postcard its Oct 14 1919 ,but the Italians took over on Sept 12, 1919 .My scan shows a Italian cancel of May 12 , 1919 .So there most be a story in it or something is not right......off to bed
Posted by jaywild   ( 1026 ) on Nov-25-07 at 23:05:41 PST   Listings
Ant-Ra & Paolo… I think the revenue Bob you are thinking of is Bob Hohertz, and I think this is his eBay ID. He used to live in St. Louis, now lives in Minnesota.

Jim
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 532 ) on Nov-25-07 at 22:45:47 PST   Listings
Rainer, check your email ! :o)
Posted by 22028   ( 1666 ) on Nov-25-07 at 22:42:49 PST   Listings
mini*lindy, I have the writings but would love to have a scan (300 dpi) of the pages...
Posted by bjornmu   ( 955 ) on Nov-25-07 at 22:39:49 PST   Listings
Paolo, Paul, Matthew, Bill D, thanks for all your input, now I'm sure this is an ordinary and correctly dated cancel.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-25-07 at 22:25:25 PST   Listings
So no one can explain the useage of both types of cancels in 1919 and their overlapping .
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 532 ) on Nov-25-07 at 22:21:50 PST   Listings
Rainer, yes, I have that book here.
I will email you some details of that very small chapter - only 25 lines of writing.

Linda
Posted by 22028   ( 1666 ) on Nov-25-07 at 22:16:47 PST   Listings
Is a member here having the book "Cyprus 1353-1986, history, postal history and postage stamps by W. F. Castle" in his philatelic library? I assume in the 1987 edition on pages 167 & 168 is a reference on the postal rate surcharge for mail using the overland mail Baghdad-Haifa.
Posted by balkania05   ( 589 ) on Nov-25-07 at 22:05:58 PST   Listings
For bjornmu,
The postcard in your picture is 1919 , the year.
Posted by balkania05   ( 589 ) on Nov-25-07 at 22:02:45 PST   Listings
I will be more than happy to do it but the stamps are in his house. Supose to go back there Tuesday to tell him yes or no.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-25-07 at 21:57:34 PST   Listings
BALKANIA ------Without knowing the quality ,its worthless to give a answer . Put up a few scans and then will give you a buy price estimate .
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-25-07 at 21:53:47 PST   Listings
I shouldn't of used the word FORGER ,more accurate would of been to use the phrase Philatelic supplier. Some of those covers in the link that Bill link to were philatelic made .
Posted by balkania05   ( 589 ) on Nov-25-07 at 21:52:50 PST   Listings
There are used stamps and mint stamps. It's hard to get somebody there, because in my area is only one stamp dealer and it's hard to get him. I'm not an expert in U.S. stamps, I'm good in European stamps because i'm from Europe but live here in U.S.A. I stert to collect the U.S stamps last year, I love it but it's more difficult than European stamps. But can you tell me something please. Let's say I'm the seller and you come to my house and I ask you for a price , and this price is the catalog price, what will be your offer? 5, 10, 20, 25, 30 , 40 % from the price I'm asking for? The sum is 15.000 USD. please can you answer me?
Posted by dbenson   ( 8725 ) on Nov-25-07 at 21:49:07 PST   Listings
Bill D.,

that page shows the transition from the Hungarian issued cancels to the Italian made ones,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8725 ) on Nov-25-07 at 21:47:12 PST   Listings
Paolo & Matthew, yes, Fiume continued to use the old Hungarian issued cancels until Italian made ones were supplied. The same thing happened in Transylvania after the 2nd. Balkan War when Romania took control and Romanian stamps were used with the Hungarian cancels with the Hungarian Crown at the top. The Romanians quickly erasewd the crown from the cancels as it was easier to do that than supply new cancels for the 100's of offices.

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-25-07 at 21:44:21 PST   Listings
BALKANIA -----First ,your talking about a U.S. collection .Is it mint or used .

If its that valuable the first question is condition .Depending on that it could range in value from $100,000 to as little as worthless . Only a person looking at it can give you a call to the worth of it .....paul

Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Nov-25-07 at 21:37:22 PST   Listings
bjornmu I'm certainly no expert on the postmark you linked earlier, but I would suggest you wait until someone familiar with the area provides an answer (perhaps you can try posting a question on the board to which vonbag linked earlier). But, if you look at this page, which is one of the pages on the Fiume website vonbag linked earlier, you will see a number of Fiume covers with date styles similar to the one you linked, so I suspect the cancel on your postcard is typical for the era and location.

Bill D.
Posted by balkania05   ( 589 ) on Nov-25-07 at 21:30:54 PST   Listings
hello e 1
have a question....
Today I've been to a person and this person wants to sell his entire stamp collection. He has 7 scott platinum albums. One of them is loaded but LOADED with early stamps, singles , pairs or blocks, imp. or perf.,scott # 4 to scott # 75. He told me the catalog value of this stamps and ask a price. Question : When you buy a entire collection and the catalog value is 15.000 how much I supose to pay for it.Or other words when a seller make you the offer 15.000 ( catalog value) what should I pay for it? Can somebody answer me to my question? Thank you very much
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-25-07 at 21:19:39 PST   Listings
My guess is a forger in Hungary or a Hungarian made the postcard .
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-25-07 at 21:12:13 PST   Listings
MATT Here is a scan of stamps that will confirm what you said about Hungary cancels HUNGARY STAMPS .

But one of the stamps that I showned has a earlier date than Bjorn postcard ,so it seems both methods of placing the date in the canceler was being used at the same time .....paul

Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-25-07 at 20:52:01 PST   Listings
Hi Matthew,
Very interesting observation, I was unaware regarding the positioning of the year date on Hungarian-style date cancels.
That would certainly make sense!

[Bewteen brackets, I am using often that auction catalogue of the 'Caspary' collection you kindly sent me! I find the pictures of the large Tuscany blocks extremely useful (in my study of the cliché defects, & else). At the next Corinphila auction there are by sell one full sheet of 240 (3 groups of 80, one over each other) of a 2 crazie proof and a machine proof (printed on a newspaper). This last is less interesting for obvious reasons, being present alien printed elemets,
the first would consitute extremely useful study material for me, but it's priced a little (10000 CHF base, or so).
A large picture of the proof full sheet would suffice, though.]

Paolo


Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-25-07 at 20:31:30 PST   Listings
P.S. some italian states passport stamps

from this website (allow some pop-ups of spybot) about Fiscal/Revenue Stamps.
[I remember when I 'generically' described one of those of Tuscany for Barry , unfortunately I can't recall the denomination (if present on that page, I have everything related in the old computer), which sold for about 400 dollars.]
Paolo
Posted by matthew1999   ( 176 ) on Nov-25-07 at 20:30:11 PST   Listings
Hi all,

Finally got the scanner hooked up. It's a cheap one and not good for scanning engraved images. Here's the Ukrainian cognac stamp I mentioned earlier. Freshly soaked off its bottle (now alas empty).

Paolo and Bjorn Hungarians (the former masters of Fiume/Rijeka) customarily write the date with the year first. (e.g., today is 2007-11-25)
So I would guess the CDS's on the card are old Hungarian-style cancelers while the ones on Paul's stamps are newer Italian-style ones?

Mh
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-25-07 at 20:14:55 PST   Listings
Mitchell & All,
Very beautiful display of Revenue Stamps.
An old poster on this board used to have an impressive
display of Revenue Stamps & else, adhesive and not adhesive.
I can't find anymore the link to Bob's site, though.
I must admit that Italian Revenues, being mostly surface printed and when recess printed not so beautifully engraved,
are not as appealing from the aesthetical point of view as those of other countries'.
By the way I don't collect Revenues, but the reason is not in the above ;-)
Although I can be interested in their postal usage, and, vice versa, the usage of adhesive postage stamps as revenues.

Good continuation,

Paolo
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 662 ) on Nov-25-07 at 19:59:44 PST   Listings

This page contains links to some of my U.S. Revenues. I think they are some of the most beautiful stamps ever produced. I really need to update these pages as I have added many more since I last scanned them, also including some full pages of higher values. That said, I know there are some others here that have much superior holdings of these (where's St. Louie Bob)
I use to mistakenly think these were considered Revenues. A prettier set of stamps have never exsisted. I havn't put them up on the site yet either but just thought I'd show them for the heck of it.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 662 ) on Nov-25-07 at 19:47:51 PST   Listings
Paolo, et al Please do not feed the Troll! It does not work.
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-25-07 at 19:38:51 PST   Listings
I will not feed the troll!
I will not feed the troll!
I will not feed the troll!
I will not feed the troll!
I will not feed the troll!
I will not feed the troll!

Bjorn,
Amongst mine I just found the identical cancel type of Fiume with "0 - 1 - 0" at bottom with the year date slug (coincidentally "919") positioned ahead.
It could be that it's not even a 'mistake' in composing the date bar, as I wrote at 17:32:31 PST (my first post of today), but it is related to that cancel type.
I stop here because this is not my field, and there were different types of this "bridge cancels" of German style (temporarily, I don't collect Fiume Stamps, however, in the course of the years, I found several hundreds of pieces in 'Italy and Area' collections).

Paolo
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1431 ) on Nov-25-07 at 19:35:16 PST   Listings

Greetings,
I’m in the early stages of writing up a short book on the Kokomo Stamp Club cancels I showed so many of during our weeks of “A-B-C” postings.
I’d be grateful for input on what you would want covered in such a book. So far I’ve scanned the cancels and worked out the format for arranging them. Now I need to write up a few pages of text about them. Knowing what you would want to read about them will help me avoid tangents that only waste ink.

Jim L.


member
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-25-07 at 19:28:32 PST   Listings
VONBAG----I want to thank you and im sure everyone else wants to thank you if you never respond to one of my postings --------THANK YOU ,really THANK YOU
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-25-07 at 19:16:54 PST   Listings
NOIP 1 -- here is a nice web-site about Fiume Stamps:
http://www.fiume-book.net/eng/
We are proud that the Author is a Forum member.


NOIP 2 -- Yes, of course: 'it' is just a troll, besides being the only Resident Catalogue (Drag) Queen who, per definition, cannot read or write, but just copy, besides bragging, offending, insiting in the wrong line and ranting all the time : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
You are mostly always grossly misinformed and misleading in the matters of my interest and deviating Off Topic with the regularity of a Swiss Watch and the accuracy of a scratched, second-hand plastic watch! ;-)
I would put 'it' in the automatic 'ignore list' of the board, if there was one. Unfortunately, here is not so.
Next time I won't dignify 'it' of a reply.
Paolo
Posted by jaywild   ( 1026 ) on Nov-25-07 at 18:47:21 PST   Listings
Jim & Bjorn… Pretty snow! It has been well over 30 years since the last time I saw snow. I talked to my Mom in Tucson and she said it got cold there too last night.

On another note, I have frequently seen the year abbreviated into three numerals instead of the two we are familiar with. This practice was fairly common in the 19th Century and through the early years of the 20th.

dcderoo... Regarding the colors of the revenues, I purposely collected stamps from each series that were as clean and consistent as I could. I made a conscious effort to match all the stamps of this set and also these stamps. The later, perfed versions of these stamps had much stronger colors.

I think I can safely say that your revenue collection is much more extensive than mine!

Jim
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-25-07 at 18:45:47 PST   Listings
VONBAG----Are you trying to say something ?
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-25-07 at 18:41:52 PST   Listings
BJORNMU-----That postcard also has the year dates first ,were the three stamps have the year date at the other end of the cancel .....looks like something isn't right .
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-25-07 at 18:36:33 PST   Listings
Geesh!!! I can read the future!
He's got at least three of it,
... with the year date slug AT THE END (or close to) where it should be!
If you are not joking and you didn't really understand what was it about, I comprhend.
If otherwise, I just pity you.
Paolo
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-25-07 at 18:23:28 PST   Listings
BJORNMU----Try again -----FIUME 919,921,and 922 cancel.....paul
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-25-07 at 17:33:06 PST   Listings
"019" = "919"
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-25-07 at 17:32:31 PST   Listings
Bjorn,
Of course, "019" has been introduced before, standing for the year date 1919: not uncommon 'mistake' AFAIK.
Clear philatelic usage.
However, if you inscribe in this forum (it's free):
http://forum.filateliaefrancobolli.it/viewforum.php?f=23
by opening a new topic and formulate a question in English, you may get a reply from the authorities on the field.

Paolo


Posted by bjornmu   ( 955 ) on Nov-25-07 at 16:20:08 PST   Listings
Jim, today was a Snowy one... I took this at noon.

Posted by bjornmu   ( 955 ) on Nov-25-07 at 16:08:48 PST   Listings
NOIP:: anyone familiar with Fiume postmarks? The seller says this postcard has the wrong year of 1914. But I suspect "919 OKT. 14" really means 14th of October, 1919, 4 days after the overprinted stamps were issued.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1055 ) on Nov-25-07 at 16:06:02 PST   Listings
Jim

I'm not in shirtsleeves tonight.
How about a duvet with earmuffs.
Today was cold one
Posted by keleofa   ( 3621 ) on Nov-25-07 at 15:54:09 PST   Listings
david,

believe it. supply and demand.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by davidr3880   ( 12 ) on Nov-25-07 at 15:36:35 PST   Listings
I REALLY CAN'T BELIEVE THAT USED WOULD BE WORTH MORE THAN NEW.
Posted by davidr3880   ( 12 ) on Nov-25-07 at 15:26:05 PST   Listings
I HAVE A HUGE LOT OF POST CARDS. THEY ARE ALL IN MINT CONDITION AND HAVE NEVER BEEN USED. I SHOULD HAVE THEM POSTED BY TOMORROW. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF VALUE THESE CARDS HAVE.
Posted by davidr3880   ( 12 ) on Nov-25-07 at 15:22:56 PST   Listings
THANKS
Posted by matthew1999   ( 176 ) on Nov-25-07 at 15:12:31 PST   Listings
To be more precise: the italicized value is for the correct postal usage; a fake or unofficial cancel would sell for much less than the given price.
Posted by matthew1999   ( 176 ) on Nov-25-07 at 15:10:00 PST   Listings
Hi David, and welcome to the board.

Generally, in most stamp catalogs, the first value is for an unused card (no writing, no postmark, no sign that it went through the postal system). The second value is for a used card, with address, message and postmark.

If a value is given in italics it usually means either that the item trades too infrequently for the publisher to give a firm value, or else (for used stamps and cards where proper postal usage is scarce) for stamps/cards that likely have had unofficial or fake cancels applied.

Hope this helps!

Mh

PS. Note on etiquette: Many readers of the board prefer it when people type messages in upper and lower case like this, rather than all capital letters.
Posted by davidr3880   ( 12 ) on Nov-25-07 at 15:02:14 PST   Listings
COULD ANYBODY TELL ME WHAT THE TWO VALUES, BESIDE THE POSTAL CARD DESCRIPTIONS IN A SCOTT CATALOG, STAND FOR? OR WHAT DOES THE AMOUNT IN ITALICS STAND FOR?
Posted by matthew1999   ( 176 ) on Nov-25-07 at 15:00:59 PST   Listings
Fantastic revenues all round. Learning a lot from the board today.

Flogging the dead horse of a few days ago, this realization seems reasonable to me - and nowhere remotely near the supposed catalog value of 2700 pounds.

Mh
Posted by keleofa   ( 3621 ) on Nov-25-07 at 14:30:16 PST   Listings
Jim (Jaywild),

re: Arizona License Plates

Hey! For 1/2 that realization I'll send you the plates right off my car! (plus shipping)

Matt in Arizona
Posted by philatarium   ( 240 ) on Nov-25-07 at 14:16:28 PST   Listings
I've been accumulating Japanese revenues off and on for the last 10 years or so, but still haven't organized them into anything yet. So, Mitchell, if you could raise this topic again in, say, 3-5 years, I might be ready!

I'll also add that the US really expended some effort doing nice design and printwork on the revenues (thanks, Jaywild!). In my opinion, in Japan the revenues played a purely functional role, and they are not nearly as appealing to me as the regular postage stamps.

(And, of course, the regular postage stamps were used for telephone and telegraph payment. In fact, many of the earlier higher-value 20th century definitives have a telephone cancel, with a substantially lower catalog value than ones postally used.)
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1710 ) on Nov-25-07 at 14:12:42 PST   Listings
Jim (jaywild), I was comparing your 1st issue revenues with mine.
The centering on yours appears to be a cut above mine.
But the most startling differences were the colors.
At first I thought it was because inconsistancies in the ink used.
But it appears to be across the board, so now I attribute it to the difference in imaging devices (scanners?).
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 82 ) on Nov-25-07 at 14:05:16 PST   Listings
Re the weekend topic, I am not a revenue collector but do have in my collection a £10 GV Nysasaland with a fiscal cancel as it is the only way I can afford this stamp sg99:-) Lesser values such as the one pound were used for gun tax, but not sure what the ten pounds would have been used for. Welcome suggestions!


cheers


Peter


Posted by antonius-ra   ( 662 ) on Nov-25-07 at 13:36:27 PST   Listings
Re: Meeting topics As for the next couple months I was going to direct them towards WW Back of the books.
Next month will probably be Airmails and Special Delivery.
I've selected these because it should give everyone somthings to offer and be of interest to all collectors.

I've enjoyed all the offerings so far this meeting. I especially thought Nomads tin type was quite interesting. I never would have guessed that there was a tax on those. D1's showing was very impressive What were the fly stamps for?


Duh Prez
Posted by jaywild   ( 1026 ) on Nov-25-07 at 12:07:11 PST   Listings
NOIP… This is the nicest set of these I have ever seen. The gray paint used in 1930 was especially poor quality and wore off quickly, allowing the steel underneath to rust through. As can be seen, they go for astounding sums when in good shape. (It’s also from Mohave County, one of the lesser populated.) I considered getting into the fray on this pair, since they are probably the nicest in existence, but decided against it at the last minute.

Jim
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 413 ) on Nov-25-07 at 11:56:17 PST   Listings
Brian You have to admit that Mitchell comes up with good ideas. If you do an eBay search for Brothel Tax Stamp you will come up with a good descriotion.
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Nov-25-07 at 11:39:55 PST   Listings
Man. Hooker inspector WITH a hand canceler for revenues. I now know what I aspire to be when I grow up.

Thanks Bill C!
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 413 ) on Nov-25-07 at 10:34:30 PST   Listings
sorry, Argentina
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 413 ) on Nov-25-07 at 10:33:26 PST   Listings
Revenues How about Brazil Rosario Municipal Prostitution Inspection revenue stamps? Some are Sana and some are Con Regla and the more difficult are Enferma.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 413 ) on Nov-25-07 at 10:23:22 PST   Listings
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Posted by infla-alec   ( 561 ) on Nov-25-07 at 09:35:26 PST   Listings
Richard W Barefoot prices and catalogue prices in general never to my mind should never enter the equation. Something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it.

But as for the monthly topic it was one I enjoyed viewing. I've no idea what Mitch will come up with for the next one. It can't be easy coming up with different themes each month. So how about others here stating what they would like to see discussed or shown ?
Posted by sayasan   ( 734 ) on Nov-25-07 at 09:26:16 PST   Listings
Let's use this meeting topic to have a bit of a go at Barefoot's catalogue prices. Anyone else think they're unreasonably high? Case in point -


Japanese Occupation of Burma "special adhesive" revenues

Here's a set of unused singles, minus the rather difficult lowest value, 25c orange. None of these values are that common, I grant you, but recently a bunch of sheets came onto the market, via Thailand and Singapore. Cut up into small blocks or singles, they're now spread around hopeful dealers in the US, Canada, wherever. All this material came from the estate of the Ka Ka brothers, who were well known in the Burma stamp trade in 1945 and the aftermath, and whose descendants still held onto some boxes of stock, which they have sold on in recent years.

A couple of months ago a well known London dealer (not Gibbons) offered a set of sheets (64 stamps to the sheet) of these eight values in their price list, hyping up the offering with paragraphs of purple prose about how these sheets were spirited away from under the noses of the retreating Japanese forces by an enterprising postmaster etc etc, all of which bears only a tangential relation to the truth.

Asking price for the eight sheets? £12,000, no less. Whaaaaattt??? But that was based on a calculation of 50% of Barefoot.

My polite enquiry to the dealer as to whether these have yet been sold, and if so at what price, has met with a stony silence. I think I paid about $50 for my set of eight singles, and I've seen them go for twice that. Anything higher than that on eBay, and they sit unsold.

Yes, Barefoot got in on the ground floor when it came to speculative valuations of revenues .....

Richard W.




Posted by baro_redux   ( 0 )   on Nov-25-07 at 08:27:13 PST   Listings
Hello
Posted by r_auction_bidness   ( 1491 ) on Nov-25-07 at 08:10:30 PST   Listings
Thanks Matt! They do come off the pages rather easily, so that should be a good thing. I'll check that Yellow Box post.
Jeff
Posted by keleofa   ( 3621 ) on Nov-25-07 at 07:58:36 PST   Listings
r_auction,

Stamp identification can be challenging. There are no websites that list all worldwide stamps. Check down below for the 'Yellow Box' post. There will be helpful links. Also suggest looking at eBay listings in Worldwide-Collections.

Glue can damage stamps. They must be able to be removed from the page without 'thinning' the stamp paper.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by r_auction_bidness   ( 1491 ) on Nov-25-07 at 07:53:08 PST   Listings
Hi stamp chatters. I just purchased a rather large colection of world stamps (no USA) from an estate sale, and am trying to find their value. Is there a web site where I can look some of these up? Also they have been lightly glued to each display page. Is that a really bad thing. Lastly, they date from the late 1800's to the 1970's. Thanks for your help out there!!
Posted by jaywild   ( 1026 ) on Nov-25-07 at 07:23:02 PST   Listings
NOIP… Malibu is on fire again. I smelled burning brush yesterday but since I don’t watch the news on the weekend I knew nothing about the fire until I saw this morning’s L.A. Times on the news stand.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1026 ) on Nov-25-07 at 06:13:23 PST   Listings
mini*lindy… Thank you, my dear. My nephew is out of Iraq for 18 months, I believe, which he will probably spend undergoing additional training. (He flies MEDEVAC helicopters.) His wife Antje is German (he met her in Germany in 1999) so it was nice that she was close to her family when she had the baby.

By the way, the cover you showed has an Oct. 5 date-stamp on the back, I’m sure you are aware. You have my address, I assume?



Lots of lovely revenue stamps on display here, but I have to vote for Sheryll’s as my faves. How can you top SWINE DUTY or BUFFALO FLY stamps???

Jim
Posted by infla-alec   ( 561 ) on Nov-25-07 at 04:14:13 PST   Listings
Does anyone know please if old GB unused registration envelopes can still be used as valid postage ? I have a few of various sizes and types and thought maybe I could use them on registered mail or possibly delete the registered letter instruction and use these fairly sturdy envelopes to pay part of the postage and add stamps to cover any deficiency.
If however invalid are they still collectable ? I have no idea if any catalogue exists that lists such things.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1431 ) on Nov-25-07 at 04:02:35 PST   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Jim L.


member
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 532 ) on Nov-25-07 at 03:23:05 PST   Listings
Just got home from Sydney, lovely weekend, the Concert our Grandaughter was in was fantastic, we had a great time.

REVENUES here is the incorrect use of a 1/3 GB Health Insurance Stamp, to pay the postage to Australia in 1935. The letter was Taxed at 2/6 (double deficiency), and the postage due was paid on arrival in Australia as can be seen on the back.

JayJim congratulations on the new great-neice, happy to hear your serving nephew got to be with his wife for the birth.

Linda
Posted by sheryll*net   ( 91 ) on Nov-25-07 at 02:42:14 PST   Listings
More examples of these stamps can be seen in D1's exhibit (note page 77).

S2
Posted by sheryll*net   ( 91 ) on Nov-25-07 at 02:22:23 PST   Listings
eUSC Meeting topic:

A sift through my father's old correspondence a few Christmas holidays ago was rewarded by a find of receipts with Queensland revenue stamps attached (including Swine Duty and Buffalo Fly stamps). This excited a few of the Aussie revenue collectors, especially as some documents showed a previously unrecorded Swine Duty handstamp used in lieu of stamps.

Many thanks go to D1 for finding good homes for quite a few of these documents. One of the perks for using his services has been a free cup of tea at eUSC meetings. 8-)

S2
Posted by jaywild   ( 1026 ) on Nov-24-07 at 21:24:02 PST   Listings
Revenues… Here are a few from my collection. I like them because of their size, color combinations and attention to detail in engraving.

R46a
R53b
R63c
R69a
R78a
R85a
R100c
R101c
R114
R131
R140
R145
R146
R149


Jim
Posted by billsey   ( 859 ) on Nov-24-07 at 20:28:03 PST   Listings
Revenues:

What little I have scanned tend to be like this (and the several pages following) where revenues were converted for postal use. In this case, by the revolutionary government of Kemal Attaturk, who controlled the bulk of Turkey in 1921-1922, prior to the eventual capitulation of the Ottoman rulers.
Posted by 22028   ( 1666 ) on Nov-24-07 at 20:26:27 PST   Listings
Good Morning from Abu Dhabi.

Topic is revenues.., sorry to say..., i do not collect them and my collecting areas do not have revenue stamps... but i will keep on watching the meeting with interest.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1431 ) on Nov-24-07 at 20:07:07 PST   Listings
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Posted by unclehlh   ( 149 ) on Nov-24-07 at 19:54:11 PST   Listings
Thank you all for your response to my question about Scott #10
Posted by matthew1999   ( 176 ) on Nov-24-07 at 18:22:46 PST   Listings
I should add, after their return they told what life was really like in the USSR and so they were also persecuted again by the Czechoslovak communists. To top it all off, those who stayed behind in Ukraine were in the areas worst affected by the Chernobyl disaster.

Not one of Europe's better fated communities.
Posted by matthew1999   ( 176 ) on Nov-24-07 at 18:00:24 PST   Listings
Knud-Erik,

I'm still looking at your fascinating card... judging from the message, I think it is probably from a soldier with the Soviet army's Czechoslovak brigade who liberated Slovakia and the Czech lands in the spring of 1945.

Looking closely at the two cancels, they both seem to be Soviet. You can see the 'C C * C P' at top right of both CDS's quite clearly. But they are not the same - the '5' is under the 'P' in the right one, but under the 'C' in the left one. Also, the first letter of the place name in the left one is clearly 'M', while I'm fairly sure the right one says "ПОЛЕВАЯ ПОЧТА" or field post.

Interestingly, it was mailed to a sister or wife in Rovno/Rivne, part of the Volhynia region, which during the late 19th century was settled by several thousand ethnic Czechs lured by cheap land and religious freedom. A lot of their settlements were attached to existing villages and named "Czech (village name)". The Czechs did well at first, but in the late 1930s were persecuted by both the Poles and the Soviets, including executions and deportation to gulags, in spite of their heroic services in WWI. During WWII the Volhynia Czechs again suffered under Nazi occupation. About 12,000 formed the core of the Czechoslovak units which fought as part of the Soviet forces liberating the ancestral homeland, and your card would appear to be from one of those units. I suspect it deliberately does not reveal the location of mailing but you could make a reasonable guess by matching the date with the movements of the Soviet armies across the Eastern front.

Here is a full translation:
Written 24/II 45
Hello Milenko
Accept my heartfelt greetings from our Czechoslovak territory. I'm alive and well which I hope you are too Milenko. I must write you that I haven't yet spoken with Joz (or Jozo) but we are near each other and I have hope that we will meet at any hour now. Please give my greetings to Daddy and Mummy, farewell.

(The last line cannot be translated well into English, it means literally "with God until we see each other again" but that sounds more pious than it really is. In Italian it would translate perfectly as "Addio arrivederci").

After WWII, most of the Volhynia Czechs were transported back to Czechoslovakia.

Mh
Posted by jaywild   ( 1026 ) on Nov-24-07 at 17:52:31 PST   Listings
NOIP… If you were looking for Papua New Guinea license plates you’d never find this one, listed as it is under Arizona plates.



sneeky... Aha! Now I can sleep easy tonight.



Jim
Posted by sneeky37   ( 237 ) on Nov-24-07 at 17:38:11 PST   Listings
jaywild

Ahoy Jim, a lot of my stuff is on our old machines waiting for CCMouse to transfer them to our new machines. Every day life has kept her busy, but know when time permits she'll get them over here.
Till then, here is the best I can do Smiling Jake
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-24-07 at 17:35:51 PST   Listings
Meeting topic:
"single frame" Italy 1905 postage due:
http://home.wanadoo.nl/bagaglia/revenue%20stamps__.htm
I bet (my farm ;-)) no-one here can show a revenue stamp postally used, correct rate 5c. rate, non philatelic like this.
Yet have to verify if link works!
Paolo
Posted by jaywild   ( 1026 ) on Nov-24-07 at 17:29:42 PST   Listings
Thanks sneeky. Hey, where’s your gorilla picture? I looked on your page and didn’t see it.

Jim
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-24-07 at 17:12:29 PST   Listings
Verbum Caro Factum Esse : CHRIST!
Paolo (BRB with revenues!)
Posted by djs127   ( 633 ) on Nov-24-07 at 16:57:44 PST   Listings
Paul When I retire I might take you up on going to a stamp auction to buy material. Since my youngest is 13 thats at least 10 years away when I will be 59 or 60.
Meanwhile I am having fun buying and selling on Ebay and doing an occasional stamp show in New Jersey.
As far as LCD HD TVs I hope you are right that more will go on sale after Xmas.
David Snyder/
Posted by sneeky37   ( 237 ) on Nov-24-07 at 16:41:53 PST   Listings
jaywild
Congratulations on your new family member.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1026 ) on Nov-24-07 at 15:59:04 PST   Listings
unclehlh… You asked that same question yesterday, and within minutes got three separate responses with detailed information. Scroll back down to yesterday’s entries to see the answers to your question.

Matt & briguy & Jeff S... Thanks all…

Io... If it’s any consolation, it’s in the mid-high 80s here, shirt-sleeve weather even at night.



Jim
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 82 ) on Nov-24-07 at 15:44:24 PST   Listings
We see snow once in a blue moon here in Poole, about every 20 years!
Nice to see the China PSB is allowing views to your site or maybe they are still checking it out:-)
Posted by iomoon   ( 1055 ) on Nov-24-07 at 15:39:26 PST   Listings
Hi Peter

About 5 days per year.

It only rains about 20 days per year.

Snow is usually gone by the next day. But this looks like it might be an all nighter.
Could get some pretty pictures if the sun shines tomorrow.
Cacti in snow look weird.

BTW, I had 10 hits from China to my web site this last week.
8 of them from Beijing.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 82 ) on Nov-24-07 at 15:30:06 PST   Listings
Hi Jim, how often do you get snow?
Peter
Posted by iomoon   ( 1055 ) on Nov-24-07 at 15:11:38 PST   Listings
Still snowing.

Are igloos warm?

gcftdain

We are not mindreaders.
What countries?
How huge is huge?
Posted by unclehlh   ( 149 ) on Nov-24-07 at 15:07:39 PST   Listings
is there any other way to identify Scott US #10 other than color?
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-24-07 at 15:00:17 PST   Listings
You just acquired it... and you already want to sell it.

Mind boggling!
Paolo
Posted by gcftdain   ( 17 ) on Nov-24-07 at 14:54:17 PST   Listings
email me at gcftdain@cox.net if you can help. thanks
Posted by gcftdain   ( 17 ) on Nov-24-07 at 14:52:19 PST   Listings
just aquired a huge stamp collection from 1800's forward, help please! want to sell but don't want to be taken advantage of...thanks
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3817 ) on Nov-24-07 at 14:15:00 PST   Listings
Re 5c Prexie - guess it is Prexiehysteria. Your earlier assessments of 1.5c 3rd class + 3c insurance should be dead on. I know both currently hi bidders, will inquire after the dust settles. I think they are nuts.

Our younger son, his wife and our 18 mo granddaughter left a couple hours ago back to Austin. We had a great thanksgiving weekend.

He brought his new M4A4 (derivitive of AR15, .223 cal) with red dot sight. It was a jewel to shoot with a bipod. And age over youth pervailed as I out scored him 2:1 with my $100 POS 9mm against his $$$ Glock with 30-round clips.

Matt - cover arrived today, will get caught up with you tomorrow, thanks.

Paolo - haven't forgotten about my promise to you either.

Last week I went to bid a bathroom remodel which included removing the old tub and building a shower from scratch. The floor was in such bad shape I took out everything to the dirt below and started rebuilding up. They did have an operating potty for Thanksgiving.

thankful-raff

Posted by martys_sportscards   ( 472 ) on Nov-24-07 at 13:42:41 PST   Listings
goodmorning all
Posted by nomad55   ( 942 ) on Nov-24-07 at 13:24:13 PST   Listings
For jawild and others....I'll decipher the return address on the 5 cent prexy, since I currently reside in Livermore.

Its RFD 1, Box 145, and Buena Vista was the name of the house or the ranch serviced by that box.
Since Livermore no longer uses RFD service, I can't ascertain the exact location, or even if the place is still in existence.
Posted by nomad55   ( 942 ) on Nov-24-07 at 13:15:54 PST   Listings
Revenue use on the back of a tintype photo. The photo tax to help pay for the civil war was in effect for exactly 2 years, beginning August 1 1864.

Most taxed photos are of the CDV format, printed on cardboard. Taxed tintypes are somewhat difficult to find.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/nomad55/013Photo-Trasktintype.jpg?t=1195938832
Posted by iomoon   ( 1055 ) on Nov-24-07 at 13:06:23 PST   Listings
Snowing in the desert SW.

This sucks!!!
Posted by afeht   ( 1173 ) on Nov-24-07 at 12:41:50 PST   Listings
matthew,

Right, the sender was her brother. Didn't read down to the last lines, and had too little sleep.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 955 ) on Nov-24-07 at 12:12:59 PST   Listings
Revenues: one of the few non-postal objects in my special collection is this US Inter. Revenue cancelled April 31, 1865. Whether that should have been April 1, April 30 or May 1 is anybodys guess.
Posted by malolo   ( 867 ) on Nov-24-07 at 12:00:07 PST   Listings
Aloha -

Red Strubel threads of the 10 centimes blue stamp. and how to identify the printings from “The Imperforate Sitting Helvetia” by Herbert Brach (paraphrasing as his discussion takes about 2 pages). I’m using Zumstein numbers as there is no point in using Scott!:
Scan of examples
Ugly backs I’ll tell a story one day of the far right stamp.

23Ca and 23Cb (top left and middle)-
Both printed on Munich paper with light red thread.
Both are printed in the early Bern manner, fine definition, shading fine and uniform.
Adjoining frame lines parallel.
Overwhelming number are grill canceled.
Colors - “milk” blue and light blue.

23Cc (top right)-
On Zurich paper with light red thread.
Background lines fuzzy, frame lines not uniform.
No embossing visible, cliché arrangement irregular.
Canceled with CDS

23Cd, 23Ce, 23Cf (lower row, left to right)-
Printed on paper with dark red thread.
Printing characteristics as 23Cc.

23Ea (2nd from right)-
Thin paper version of 23Ca on Munich paper with light red thread, "milk blue" color.

23Eb (lower row right)-
Thin paper version of 23Cb on Munich paper with light red thread in light blue shade.

While there is no Munich paper with dark red thread, there is definitely Zurich paper with both light and dark red thread.
“The catalogue itself notes the existence of vertical pairs of 23C with both light and dark red thread.” (This on early Zurich paper.)

So now you can see the difference in the thread colors, the ink colors, and the difference between Munich and Zurich papers. My examples have been collected purely to have examples of the varieties. Condition varies, but they are all MAGNIFICANT in my eyes, and cheap! LOL

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels
Posted by philaweb   ( 333 ) on Nov-24-07 at 11:20:54 PST   Listings
Good Morning/Day/Afternoon/Evening!
Posted by 19thcentpostal   ( 209 ) on Nov-24-07 at 10:18:36 PST   Listings
Topic This firearms transfer tax.jpg stamp is used to prove the excise tax has been paid for the transfer of ownership of certain controlled weapons. Wikipedia has more detailed info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
Posted by iomoon   ( 1055 ) on Nov-24-07 at 09:50:53 PST   Listings
Brian

They became legal for postage as well.
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Nov-24-07 at 09:48:20 PST   Listings
Prexies?.....those are for OLD people. The new trend is exploding prices for the Liberty series, and even the Americana....

Io Interesting! So was that an illegal usage?, or were they legal for postage too?

Jaywild Congrats grandpa!

Knuden Nice to see you posting, but a word of advice. Change your little guys exclamation to "catalog King". At least on this side of the pond a guy who declares himself a queen, has...uhm...well....lets just say it implies you have impeccable fashion sense. :o)
Posted by matthew1999   ( 176 ) on Nov-24-07 at 09:42:35 PST   Listings
K.-E., it would not be from the addressee's father, he says "...greet mother and father from me." So perhaps an older brother. The dateline says "Psano [written] 24.II.45, so that's no help. Can you tell me what the faint imprint at upper left says? I presume it's a description of the image on the front.

Mh
Posted by bwiphilately   ( 371 ) on Nov-24-07 at 09:04:51 PST   Listings
Meeting topic - Here are some St. Vincent and British Guiana documents with revenue stamps affixed.

This bank draft issued by the Colonial Bank of St. Vincent on October 2, 1882 bears a pair of one penny St. Vincent revenue stamps as well as a private six pence Colonial Bank stamp.

Shown here is a St. Vincent three pence revenue stamp affixed to a shipping document dated May 11, 1891 for 75 hogsheads of muscovado sugar "to discharge in a port in U.S.A. north of Cape Hateras".

Here is a 1906 British Guiana church pew rental receipt bearing a two cent stamp that was valid both for postage and revenue.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1055 ) on Nov-24-07 at 08:43:56 PST   Listings
Some stamps originally issued as a tax to help the survivors of the 1991 Pinatubo eruption.

Then used for regular mail, see here.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3621 ) on Nov-24-07 at 08:42:40 PST   Listings
Jim (Jaywild),

Congrats on your newest family member!

re: Solo 5¢ Prexie.

I agree, looks like a 4½¢ rate, perhaps a convenience overpayment of ½¢? The envelope is pre-printed for merchandise, but if it went Book & Catalog 3rd Class rate at 1¢ per ounce, a 2oz minimum insurance would be 5¢. But there is no indication that is the case.

Maybe just the use of a solo Prexie is driving the bidding? We'll have to wait for Jeff to check in.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by knuden   ( 2397 ) on Nov-24-07 at 08:18:57 PST   Listings
afeht, matthew1999 & jaywild - Thank you very much. Now I only have to find where the card is sent from. :O)

K.E  I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!


Posted by afeht   ( 1173 ) on Nov-24-07 at 08:10:28 PST   Listings
Oh, and "I. V." in military division number almost certainly stands for "Inzhenerniye Voyska" (Engineering Corps).
Posted by afeht   ( 1173 ) on Nov-24-07 at 08:07:09 PST   Listings
The date may be March 1, 1945, not March 21.
Posted by afeht   ( 1173 ) on Nov-24-07 at 07:56:05 PST   Listings
knud & j,

All right, now I can see it!

The address:

Zap[adnaya] Uk[raina] (Western Ukraine),
ob[last] (region) Rovno,
r[ayo]n (district) Mizoch,
selo (village) Borshchovka Cheska

Altman Emiliya Vlad[imirovna] (addressee)

Polevaya pochta (Field post)

No. 38032 I. V. (most probably, military division number)

Mashek Vladimir (sender)

Postmark:

SSSR (USSR) BORSHCHOVKA [NE paer illegible], 21 March 1945

Gray punchmark in the middle (the gray smudge above it a part of Soviet coat of arms):

PROSMOTREN (CENSORED)
[...]vennoy tsenzur[...] (by the State Censorship)
15037

I cannot read the postmark on the left, but it is in Czech, not in Russian.

It follows from the text that the sender is, most probably, the addressee's father.

Name of the village, as written by hand (Borshchovka Cheska), compared to the name of the village on the postmark, has "Cheska" added to it, which means "Czech" -- probably, Czech part of the village.

That's about all I can tell you about this card.
Posted by matthew1999   ( 176 ) on Nov-24-07 at 07:46:16 PST   Listings
K.-E., On second thought, it doesn't make sense that it would be a POW message because he says "greetings from our Czechoslovak territory" - sounds more like a soldier with the Soviet liberators.

Mh
Posted by matthew1999   ( 176 ) on Nov-24-07 at 07:37:35 PST   Listings
Hi K.-E., yes the card message is in Czech. It says basically, tell everyone I am fine and hope to be with "Joze" soon. Sounds like a POW message. I can't interpret the Cyrillic address.

Jim (Jaywild), cute kid!

Paolo, I have found that color names are not translated in a logical way between catalogs. For example, looking at KEVII shades this week, I see that what S.G. calls "Rose-red", Michel calls "karminrot", whereas what S.G. calls "Rose-carmine", Michel calls "rotlila". So it's very confusing. Often when trying to match color names between catalogs, you can use the value of the stamp as an identifier to link up the names.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-24-07 at 07:35:18 PST   Listings
Jeff Switt Are you out there? You would know, I think.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-24-07 at 07:34:37 PST   Listings
Prexy rate specialist As far as I can tell, the correct rate on this should be 41 for ? 2 oz third-class + 3 minimum fee insurance. So whys the bid up over $50? I dont understand

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-24-07 at 07:25:24 PST   Listings
Knud-Eriks card.

Jim
Posted by afeht   ( 1172 ) on Nov-24-07 at 07:20:52 PST   Listings
knud,

I understand that this is the link. I tried many times. All other links that you posted do work instantly. This one gives me "failed to connect to web server" message. I don't know why. Sorry!
Posted by knuden   ( 2397 ) on Nov-24-07 at 07:13:54 PST   Listings
afeht - This is the link: http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9247/11099036gx6.jpg

K.E  I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!


Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-24-07 at 07:07:50 PST   Listings
STOP IT ----PAOLO All your doing is confusing young collectors and new readers .Every major catalog and expert clearly makes a clear distinction between Carmine and Red .There are many countries stamps were that distinction is identify as a seperate stamp and it is a seperate color of thread so leave the light red or dark red possibility to yourselve ......
Posted by afeht   ( 1172 ) on Nov-24-07 at 06:47:15 PST   Listings
knud,

Your other links (nothilfe, revebues) work fine, but this one gives me "failed to connect with server" message, sorry.
Posted by knuden   ( 2397 ) on Nov-24-07 at 06:44:02 PST   Listings
afeht - Try again - it works for me. :O)

K.E  I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!


Posted by knuden   ( 2397 ) on Nov-24-07 at 06:42:40 PST   Listings
As to the revenue topic, I must admit it isn't what I have very much of but some few it can be:

1. An Austrian cover with a revenue. The cover is a forerunner of the packet cards.

For the "holy smokers" :O) - a part of a bag with US Narcotic revenues.

3. For other smokers - 2 revenues from packet of cigarettes - one Danish and (for Paolo) one Italian. :O)

K.E  I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!


Posted by afeht   ( 1172 ) on Nov-24-07 at 06:42:24 PST   Listings
knud,

I could try to read Russian address and cancel but your link doesn't seem to work, Please check.
Posted by knuden   ( 2397 ) on Nov-24-07 at 06:30:23 PST   Listings
The unperfed version.
The perfed version.

K.E  I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!


Posted by knuden   ( 2397 ) on Nov-24-07 at 06:22:29 PST   Listings
Re: The Blue Flee stamps of Germany. Here is some items with them:

1. The unperfed version used on a domestic cover in 1948 - 11 days after it's issue.
The perfed version on a domestic postcard in 1955 - half year before it all ended. The card was unfranked and was correct put in due but as the receiver rejected the card, it was returned and the sender had to pay the correct postage.

K.E  I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!


Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-24-07 at 06:16:48 PST   Listings
Roger
Many Thanks!

"eBay will tell you that one can't determine the authenticity of a stamp from a scan. The only thing I can't tell is the color of the threads on the reverse sides of these stamps. That is too difficult for me. LOL"

In my relatively small field of expertise, to determine if a stamp is a forgery is often easier than to determine if it is 100% genuine.
On the other hand, like somebody said,
"it is better a delinquent free on the road, than an innocent in jail" ;-)

Have a fine day!
Paolo

P.S.:
Zumstein and Michel for Zu. Nr. 23C.d. - 23C.f. (Mi. Nr. 14IIAyoa) list red/dark red silk thread (only red in Mi.).
I wonder who cares (???),
if not a real catalogue queen,
if the "Scott" catalogue lists 'carmine' silk thread.
Who should we believe, above the specialised Swiss treaty?

[There's another possibility: the light red coloured silk thread which is Zu. N. 23 C.a. - C.c. (Mi. Nr. 14IIAyob) which also come on the milky - matt blue colors.
(http://www.geocities.com/umbe_ge/svizzera.JPG)]
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-24-07 at 05:57:12 PST   Listings
NOIP The newest member of our family, Hannah Sophia Cash, arrived on Thanksgiving. She is being held by her proud father. He is a captain in the US Army stationed in Germany.

Jim
Posted by knuden   ( 2397 ) on Nov-24-07 at 05:55:29 PST   Listings
Sorry. Here is the card.

K.E  I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!


Posted by knuden   ( 2397 ) on Nov-24-07 at 05:51:41 PST   Listings
I need some help. Can someone translate or, at least, tell me where from and to this card from March 1, 1945 is sent. I believe it's written in Czech but the address seems like it's in Russian and it has a Russian cancel (reciever?) and a Russian censor cancel. There is another cancel at which I can't read.

K.E  I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!


Posted by afeht   ( 1172 ) on Nov-24-07 at 04:39:33 PST   Listings
To WIMC:

On French eBay, I am noticing a way of listing better items that is new to me. They would list the same lot several times in such a way that it would expire every two or three days. For example, a power seller calling himself "choumigouly" ("Nice Philatelie") lists better French stamps and lots five or six times each, ending every two days. At first sight one wouldn't notice it, it only becomes apparent if one sorts lots listed by the same seller by price. I wonder if it helps selling items faster?
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-24-07 at 04:13:56 PST   Listings
minor correction on Roger's posting ------on 2.)23C ,it should read CARMINE or red thread not dark or red thread .
Posted by malolo   ( 867 ) on Nov-24-07 at 03:43:54 PST   Listings
Paolo -
Your scan of Strubels
(left to right)
1.) 22G
2.) 23C, either dark or red thread
3.) 23G, if green thread, or possibly 23C late printing with red thread
4.) 24G
5.) 24A Munich print. has diffused ink and fine printing quality (they look soft)

eBay will tell you that one can't determine the authenticity of a stamp from a scan. The only thing I can't tell is the color of the threads on the reverse sides of thses stamps. That is too difficult for me. LOL

The Rayons were forged by a number of "artists". Why were they so easy to forge without collectors knowing they were fake. Because each stamp on the lithographic stone was hand drawn! There were 40 per stone and a about 10 stones for this issue. That's 400 hand drawn stamps. They can all be plated, but one must have a plating guided from Zumstein. The guide is printed in B&W and has detail to allow plating the stamps. Not for me!!@@~!! Thus I start with the Strubels.

I know nothing about Rayons, or the expertizng marks.

Roger
PS: I had to leave earlier for work so couldn't answer your scan (email anser is sent to you). Strange hours right now, an almost 10 hour work day! I heard tonight from an American Arline's pilot the airline will change its departure time from 0025 back to 2325hrs on December 10, which means I'll get home an hour earlier each night. There is presently a 3 hour gap between the last two flights and it is really slow and boring. I oculd be home on my computer reading stmaps and political discussions. )'>)
Posted by infla-alec   ( 561 ) on Nov-24-07 at 01:05:48 PST   Listings
Mitch Revenues are not something I have any of to share but hopefully some will find the article by George Rath published in the GPS about the "Blue Flea" of some interest.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 661 ) on Nov-24-07 at 00:00:48 PST   Listings
E U S C
Ebay Users Stamp Club
Meeting

For November 2007 is now in session.

The meetings topic will focus on Revenue stamps of the world. This will also include proprietary, hunting etc.
Basically any stamps that were used to pay taxes and or fees (other than mail transport).
Members are invited and encouraged to share their revenue stamps and any related items and knowledge.


The meeting will end November 25th midnight (ebay time).






Posted by afeht   ( 1172 ) on Nov-23-07 at 23:47:49 PST   Listings
j,

Yep, your quote from my post is quite reasonable to all who won't approve of parasitism and mandatory compassion. Your inability to understand it is not an argument, it is your tragedy.

Nope, I never associated any decent people on this board with Nazis, that's a shameless lie. I argued against unfounded socialist and environmentalist assumptions and prejudices that insulted me and hurt me personally.

"Charity" can only be voluntary; if you don't understand this, you don't know what charity is.

Furthermore, I never took a penny from the U.S. government, I paid all my debts to the International Rescue Committee that brought me here (and made substantial further donations to IRC over the years), I never used any welfare in this country, everything has been paid out of my pocket.

I never needed, never asked for, and never received any "housing", "social benefits," or anything else paid for by the taxpayers in this country, other than things allowed to all for their taxes, such as roads and military defense. I pay 33% of my professionally earned income in federal taxes alone, not counting state, local and hidden taxes spread over every purchase and transaction. I paid for my son's private schooling, and I wholeheartedly despise government wards who rely on public help from womb to the tomb.

You are the one who flies in childish rage, facing something you cannot dream of being: an independent human being.

Such is an American system, for which I am grateful: it allows me a choice of being free. Freedom is expensive, it takes working 12 to 16 hours every day, weekends included, for 20-25 years, without any "benefits," doles or pittances. I am truly a U.S. citizen, I risked my life for my freedom, I deserved it, and I pay for it. You were born into it, and disgrace it by rejecting your gratuitous freedom.

If you don't like our system here, go to Cuba, where you belong.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-23-07 at 23:23:51 PST   Listings
Hi Paolo Go to sleep!

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-23-07 at 23:20:29 PST   Listings
Yep, this sure sounds reasonable to me
Liberal (socialist) beliefs, on the other hand, being as irrational and as unsubstantiated as any religion, are legislated into laws and shoved down our throats, taxes and all, at a point of a gun.
Therefore, there is no level field in any "liberal" vs. "conservative" discussion. Socialists have no moral right to express their views in public until their ideology is separated from the state.
Only then, when their righteous greedy hands will be withdrawn from our pockets, when compassion shall cease to be mandatory, when all the taxes financing their social engineering will be abolished, they will deserve to be heard on equal basis.
This same reasonable person has also made spluttering associations between very decent people who post to this board and communists and nazis.

Also, this reasonable person, who despises the very idea of charity down to his bones, would still be sitting in Siberia counting his fingers and toes endlessly if it werent for the charity of the U.S. Government which allowed him to emigrate here, gave his family welfare and no end of housing and other benefits, all paid for by taxpayers. Now that it is his turn to contribute something, he flies into a childish rage.

If you dont like our system here, please go back to Russia.

?

Jim
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-23-07 at 23:09:33 PST   Listings
Thank you Jim!
It is always nice to know there is someone who appreciates some kind of discussions, even though it is a while I do not write in English about Italian States stamps.
I am up horribly late! It is now 10 past 8 A.M.
it's already almost day,
I must retreat before the light of the sun disintegrates me LOL (there's not this danger, in overcast Shoes!).

Good continuation, Paolo


P.S. Fufluns: you can keep it!
Posted by afeht   ( 1172 ) on Nov-23-07 at 23:05:40 PST   Listings
Jaywild,

[Sigh...] My photograph with a shotgun that doesn't let you rest in peace has been placed on my "me" page as a joke. Anyone capable of reading can see that from the caption under the photograph.

In my opinion, you are a typical troll who derives pleasure from teasing sincere people while being quite impotent when it comes to offering a coherent logical argument.

Since I started to participate in this otherwise pleasant forum, you are constantly begging me to insult you. I am not interested in a relationship with a semiliterate sadomasochist gratis -- but if you pay me (say, $100 per month), I'll accommodate you in private e-mail with the choicest of Russian flak translated into English to the best of my professional ability.

Now, stop disgracing this board.
Posted by fufluns_pakhies   ( 0 ) on Nov-23-07 at 23:01:14 PST   Listings
Yep,
you can win one of these if you sacrifice your stamps in my name at once!
I want to see that pyre!

Fufluns
((Aschh! Later I will tell him that one could have only done it on a blue moon and can only get one of these ehehehe))
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-23-07 at 23:00:44 PST   Listings
Paolo I have to admit I am confused too. I always follow your discussions with Roger. I dont collect Italy (& States) or Switzerland, but am interested to learn.

And you are up very late, arent you? Or perhaps up very early. I think it is 7 a.m. your time, isnt it?

Jim
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-23-07 at 22:41:36 PST   Listings
Geesh,
with these catalogue numbers I am getting nuts!
Whenever I can, I try not to use it.
You can have conversations sometimes that are cryptic to any non-initiated, like "is that a 13Aby, no I think it's a 14 Bax, than again it looks like a 15 Xyz".
However, like David B. was teaching a long time ago, also regarding the above,
it can be necessary to ease up exchange of opinions between specialist of a given Issue, if not only one stamp.
I tend to be a "super-specialized" kind of collector, I dislike superficiality... as well as I like quantitative rather than qualitative descriptions... but can't keep this attitude on areas I'm yet unfamiliar with. ;-)
P.S. : fortunately that one stamp is not mine! :-)
Mine of that emission are all used. Maybe I should just keep away from Rayons?
Should I sacrifice them to the major Gods for philatelic prosperity (maybe I nudged Fufluns into the discussion with this one)

Anyhow: I shall refer to the interested part regarding these numbers of both S&G and Y&T.
Thanks again!
Now, I hope I hear from Roger!
(if he's not too busy to read my reply to his e-mail LOL)

Paolo
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-23-07 at 22:35:02 PST   Listings
Uh-oh We now turn the board over to the Mountain Gorilla

?

Jim
Posted by afeht   ( 1172 ) on Nov-23-07 at 22:30:21 PST   Listings
jay
flub off
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-23-07 at 22:27:22 PST   Listings
Really???

Jim
Posted by afeht   ( 1172 ) on Nov-23-07 at 22:24:34 PST   Listings
"Norma CCCP": Russian "?????" ("Post") could look like that to an uneducated English-speaking reader if it is printed in Italic: ?????.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-23-07 at 22:16:06 PST   Listings
Matthew Some pretty rare countries in that $20,000 lotPocztapolska and Norma CCCP. Id pay a pretty sum myself to see stamps from those places

Jim
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-23-07 at 22:13:58 PST   Listings
Alex and David, Thank you!
Paul, LOL!

Ciao, Paolo
Posted by afeht   ( 1172 ) on Nov-23-07 at 22:13:45 PST   Listings
I also think Paul made a valid point about this unused Yvert #14a being a fake. I came across several used copies of this stamp, and all of them had much sharper design and somewhat different paper tone.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-23-07 at 22:10:05 PST   Listings
This says it all ---- CARTOON ......paul
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-23-07 at 22:06:08 PST   Listings
ALEX----Thanks ,thats what is printed in the German LINDNER-FALZ LOS album is the identification as a typeIII
Posted by dbenson   ( 8722 ) on Nov-23-07 at 21:58:55 PST   Listings
Paolo, just for your interest, the Red & Pale Blue is Gibbons # 13 and the Red & Deep Blue is s.g. 14,

David B.
Posted by afeht   ( 1172 ) on Nov-23-07 at 21:58:13 PST   Listings
Paolo,

Markings on the back of your friend's Swiss stamp are type and number according to Yvert. See, for example, this ugly one sold in France.
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-23-07 at 21:47:53 PST   Listings
The question is not about genuinity. However, any informed input about it is appreciated.
I have some more of those (about 5 or 6, in similar quality of margins, one with old expertise "Thier" other with other markings on reverse -- no idea to what stones they belong). But now at the point:
why should I show it if there are not any of those marking on reverse? This last is a rhetorical question! (needs no answer) ;-)
Paolo
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-23-07 at 21:38:06 PST   Listings
RAYON I The colors are off and the fuzzy details makes it questionable.Here is the stamp with correct color and same size for detail . SWISS
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-23-07 at 21:31:16 PST   Listings
"Non mi posso pronunciare sul segno a sinistra. Di primo acchito m'era sembrata una firma del Berra, ma questa diversa: http://www.filatelia.fi/experts/marks/berra.jpg
Marchand, al momento, firma in modo diverso. Dovrei chiedere ad un amico USA se riconosce la firma, perch III non avrebbe senso -- per me -- su questa emissione.
Nel Michel Spezial questo il numero 9II (non c' un III).
Nello Zumstein Spezial il 17 II -- vi furono almeno 9 pietre di stampa per quest'emissione litografica del 1851, ma sono nomenclate in modo diverso (non c' nessun III o 14a).
In un certificato Svizzero pu essere designata la pietra di stampa e la posizione del francobollo nella tavola di 40 (8 x 5).
(nello Scott il numero 10 ... non so in Yvert &Tellier e in Stanley&Gibbons).
Se mi consenti, copio l'immagine -- che visibile solo agli iscritti di questo Forum -- e chiedo a quell'amico, che dovrebbe aver pi informazioni.
(Il francobollo appare essere nuovo senza gomma, ... sulla genuinit bisognerebbe saper stabilire quantomeno la pietra di appartenenza, cosa che non sono in grado di fare.)"

Quoting myself from another post. Emphasis is relevant.
I have Michel Spezial!
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-23-07 at 21:24:28 PST   Listings
The type III is the German identification of the light blue & red without frame around the cross . The scott #10 not sure of the Zumstein
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1430 ) on Nov-23-07 at 21:22:45 PST   Listings
member
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-23-07 at 21:14:34 PST   Listings
Test
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-23-07 at 21:10:53 PST   Listings
Matthew,
Thanks for looking! I had thought so too!
I do not see why someone picked this "III" theory.
Now, I have already checked on the web-site of the experts but couldn't find such signature.
I'd be ideal to relate it to a name. ;-)
Paolo
Posted by matthew1999   ( 176 ) on Nov-23-07 at 21:06:55 PST   Listings
Alex, all good.

Paolo, to my eyes the 'III' is a Pruefer mark.

Deluded seller of the day. Grandma corresponded with missionaries, indeed.
I kindly suggested to her that she tell eBay it was a typo in the starting price and reclaim her fees.
Mh
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 413 ) on Nov-23-07 at 21:06:06 PST   Listings
IO Jim Here is an interesting Eddie 8 item.
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-23-07 at 21:02:03 PST   Listings
Thanks for your kind words & explanations Roger!

Do you think is there a chance there is a Munich printing amongst these here?
(I would think definitely not, I picked this link from an old question on another forum, stamps are not mine and unfortunately we cannot see the reverse).

A friend asked about this postage stamp here,
an 1851 Rayon I, ohne kreuzeinfassung,
whether the pencil markings on reverse are of any significance.
I replied that "III" (if it is a III) and "14a" make no sense to me, however I thought I had seen once a signature on a stamp similar to that.
It appears to be an unused no gum (no idea regarding stone or position in the sheet, though)
I may easily be wrong because somebody else said he asked to a Swiss expert (Mr. Guinand) and he said it's likely 'owners markings'.
I would appreciate your opinion on this matter.
Thank you in advance!

Paolo




Posted by afeht   ( 1172 ) on Nov-23-07 at 20:56:20 PST   Listings
Matt

Sorry, I was just experimenting, to understand what kind of HTML works here. The simplest kind does, anything fancier doesn't. I removed a big bold message.
Posted by matthew1999   ( 176 ) on Nov-23-07 at 20:51:41 PST   Listings
Hello everyone from Times Square. Back at work after a nice visit to New Hampshire. Judging from the lawn signs around Manchester, Ron Paul is going to give Mitt Romney a real run for his money, while Hillary will walk away with the Democratic vote.

My personal favorite adjective for a stamp collection is POWERFUL. That really sums it up in my mind.

I just soaked a nice Ukrainian liquor revenue off a nice bottle of cognac (a gift from my mother-in-law in Czech Republic). What a pleasant combination - stamps and alcohol. If I get a chance this weekend I will scan and share.

Paul, interesting observation from 06:13:46

Mh

PS Alex, please, no need to shout. We can hear you just fine at normal-size type.

Posted by afeht   ( 1172 ) on Nov-23-07 at 20:46:39 PST   Listings
To WIMC:

Contrary to the conventional wisdom so popular among some of the more conceited participants of this exclusive forum, I find that at least some of the collections announced as MOUTH-WATERING, MIND-BOGGLING, OUT OF THIS WORLD, etc., were actually of high quality and moderately priced. Some of my best buys (lot that I bought for several hundred dollars and sold inparts for several thousand dollars after picking all the material that I needed for my collection) were from this category.

On the other hand, succinct, terse description of the lot doesn't guarantee that you are not being had.

And I don't see anything wrong with "salted" lots if they contain couple of stamps I need, and the price is right. For example, I recently bought for approx. $300 a mediocre collection of France "salted" with #2 and several other heavier stamps. I needed a better copy of #2, nothing more. Now I have this stamp, and re-sold this collection in parts for $500+.

He laughs best who laughs last.
Posted by red-dog9   ( 3381 ) on Nov-23-07 at 17:22:21 PST   Listings
ALEX: I would tend to agree with Paul. I sell mainly worldwide currency and sometimes stamps. Occasionally, I will have the opportunity to sell the same item and I will list them separately over a 3-4 week period. For the same item with a value of say $10, prices can range from $6 - $15 for the same item but sold at different times. Timing, as in finding 2 or more bidders wanting that item at that particular time.

Rick
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-23-07 at 16:39:34 PST   Listings
AFEHT/ALEX------Timing maybe has more to do with the bidding .Long weekend and weather turning colder . E-bay is strange that way ,one week nobody is buying and other weeks more viewers and buyers
Posted by afeht   ( 1172 ) on Nov-23-07 at 16:19:38 PST   Listings
To All:

I don't know much about U.S. stamps beyond catalog. Maybe one of the U.S. connoisseurs here could explain to me, why are they fighting over this particular lot? I don[t see anything there that would deserve special attention, and the same lot went unbid couple of times before now.

Will appreciate any opportunity to learn something new.
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Nov-23-07 at 15:53:31 PST   Listings
unclehlh perhaps more info than you are looking for, but here's a page on identifying Scott #10. You can click on "Home" on the left side of the page for more information on the 3 cent stamp. Another page with information about #10 is here.

Bill D.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-23-07 at 15:43:13 PST   Listings
unclehlh Here is a comparable #11. Note the worn-down detail in the hair.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-23-07 at 15:39:31 PST   Listings
unclehlh Yes, Scott 10 shows much more detail in the design, simply because the plate has not yet worn down. Here is a #10 that shows well defined detail in the hair, a must for a stamp to be a #10.

Jim
Posted by unclehlh   ( 148 ) on Nov-23-07 at 15:23:01 PST   Listings
is there any other way to identify Scott us #10 other than color
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-23-07 at 15:02:51 PST   Listings
DJS Dave you should of took me up on my offer ,to take you to a major stamp auction .Last month in Boston there was a Iceland stockbook lot up at auction that would of nock your socks off . It was loaded with better material ,I did bid on it twice but was against someone who wanted it more,besides there was a few collections later in the auction and a stockbook inventory wasn't that important to me as some Italian material was right behind it ......p.s. The big screen T.V. will sell for less after the holidays
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-23-07 at 14:53:26 PST   Listings
RAINER / 22028 Agree with you about the pricing is getting a little out of hand . But are you aware that the grading firms do publish a list of the certificates they issue in each grade so it gets to be a bragging and drive to get the highest grade of that issue.

So if one stamp grades at 100 but ten stamps grade at 95 then the price will reflect the heavey premium to the one with the highest grade as oppose to another stamp where 8 stamps grade at 100 .

Sort of like the old bragging of I got more stamps than you mentally ,which I think is behind this whole fad of graded stamps .

Posted by iomoon   ( 1055 ) on Nov-23-07 at 14:16:56 PST   Listings
soggy

ROTFLMAO

Roger

It is INDESCRIBABLE, UNUTTERABLE, INDEFINABLE, UNSPEAKABLE and INEFFABLE that one should not use such words in a description search. I'm sure postal history collectors would not have many addresses so named.

stamps-4-ever

I can't answer your questions but hopefully someone will come along.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-23-07 at 14:07:43 PST   Listings
soggy333 I think SALTY might have been the key word, as in salted with just enough potentially decent stamps to make you bid too much for this junk.

Roger... Perfect example. Entering a maximum bid early is just begging for that kind of punishment.

Jim
Posted by malolo   ( 867 ) on Nov-23-07 at 14:04:33 PST   Listings
soggy -

The most AMAZING aspect as far as my dealings on eBay. I DON'T USE A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE HIGH FALOOTIN' words in my searches. WHAT A WASTE OF SPACE!@@!

Sort of like some posts we see here. LOL

Roger
Posted by soggy333   ( 56 ) on Nov-23-07 at 12:13:38 PST   Listings
I went on ebay today to see if I could bid on a foreign collection of any kind. I kept finding all of these adjectives and got confused, not knowing which was the better buy! "SURPRISING, SUPERIOR, UNBELIEVABLE, Massive,
RARE TO FIND, ADVANCED, FANTASTIQUE ,CAPTIVATING, Powerful, Strong,
HEAVY, DETAILED, ATTRACTIVE, INTOXICATING, REFRESHING, OVERWHELMING,
ENDLESS, HISTORIC, SPLENDID, VOLUMININOUS, DELIGHTFUL,
PEPPERY, SCRUMPTIOUS, MARVELOUS, SALTY,
SERIOUS, UNBELIEVABLE, Remarkable

When I got to INTOXICATING I broke out a bottle of wine to help me decide, and I completely forgot to bid!
Posted by malolo   ( 867 ) on Nov-23-07 at 12:10:38 PST   Listings
Aloha All -
An example of why one should never place a high proxy bid through the eBay system!
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=270188285844

Cost this person a bundle because the under bidder hasn't a clue. I don't either, but somehting must be of interest to the high bidder.

Roger
Posted by stamps-4-ever   ( 134 ) on Nov-23-07 at 09:50:11 PST   Listings
Due to illness I am at the moment bedridden and unable to get around to get the following information.

I need the dimensions of the following Circular Date Stamps, and in mm the size of the lettering and the date slugs:

San Francisco, Cal. FD May 20, 1899 Circular Date Stamp
Manila, Philippines Received, January 13, 1948 Circular Date Stamp
Shanghai, Bi-lingual 23.1. 48 Circular Date Stamp
Yokohama, Japan 27.1.48 Circular Date Stamp
Posted by djs127   ( 633 ) on Nov-23-07 at 09:15:17 PST   Listings
I wasn't able to get a 32" HD LCD TV at Staples this morning but I did win yesterday the following 2 lots on Ebay:
G&K INTERNATIONAL POSTAGE STAMP BINDER ONLY Item number: 200174549540
DEALERS REMAINDER LOT OF MINT ICELAND Item number: 220172898536
Hope everyone in the US is having a great Thanksgiving weekend!!
David Snyder
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 413 ) on Nov-23-07 at 08:38:58 PST   Listings
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Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-23-07 at 07:30:20 PST   Listings
Rainer Personally I expect the market for graded stamps to grow. It is really just a new aspect of quality, something that has been paid more and more attention to over the last few decades. At one time, people didnt care so much about never-hinged as opposed to hinged, and look how fanatic that specialty has become.

I do agree though that there are a lot of adjustments coming, because as graded stamps become more the standard, more stamps will be graded just in order to complete when it comes time to sell them. As a consequence, prices should settle down somewhat.

Jim
Posted by 22028   ( 1666 ) on Nov-23-07 at 07:01:51 PST   Listings
Paul, these high grated stamps are realizing prices far of what i believe they are worth and which are in the reach of the common collectors. Therefor i do not see a major impact on the other stamps. As far as I know, currently only a fraction of the US-stamps are grated and the vast majority are still sitting in the albums..., what happens to the high prices if a large number of US stamps are grated with high grates?
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-23-07 at 06:27:41 PST   Listings
RECENT TREND One of the interesting things in the hobby which is now starting to be noticed is the effcts of the Graded U.S. stamps trend .

We are now seening the liquation of very-good to very fine U.S. stamps ,these are stamps too low to get a graded certificate but stamps that over decades the collector would buy for their own U.S. collection .

They are falling in price ,it was that DR. BOB ,RUBYSTAMPS and other could get half-catalog or better but now are being offered at 1/3 catalog and some can't even get a bid at that price .As the rush to higher quality is the main interest to buyers there seems to be a lot of good collectible stamps being left behind .....just a thought

Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-23-07 at 06:13:46 PST   Listings
GOOD MORNING Prices from the recent stamp auction in Chicago have been posted on line .The prices also from a few major stamps firms on the East Coast have been posted over the past week . Interesting to note is the "GEM OF PHILATELY" continue to climb and also the low end lots have strong sales numbers but the material in the $50.00 to $1,000 per item seems to be stuck in a rut . This material sells on e-bay or stamp auction houses at a fraction of catalog value. I know a few items command good prices but a lot if not most out there is not increasing in price .

My guess is we can always sell cheap material to new collectors and the gems will always find the investors but about the center of the price range we are losing serious collectors .Unless your finding someone looking to build a specialised collection or study .The center and main support to the hobby is dying or maybe more accurate is getting older and in liquation mood .....just a thought

Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1430 ) on Nov-23-07 at 05:45:40 PST   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Jim L.


member
Posted by philaweb   ( 330 ) on Nov-23-07 at 03:15:31 PST   Listings
Good Morning/Day/Afternoon/Evening!

T.G.I.F.

Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Nov-23-07 at 00:08:06 PST   Listings
Well nice to see we've had a peaceful and harmonious holiday on the chat.

Now, off to medicate our very old dog who went pheasant hunting this morning, and keeps wandering past me with a pronounced stiff limp and moaning.

Pavlov was right....feed them a couple of powerful pain pills, and they will suffer through incredible stiffness (and up two fights of stairs) to moan for another.

He'll get his pill too....I just can't bear to crush his spirit by leaving him at home, to the same level he refuses to stop exerting himself in the field to the point of exhuastion.

Granted, not philatelic, but not aimed at anyone either.

Say.....do you guys want a canine narcotic pill...or three?

Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-22-07 at 23:38:55 PST   Listings
afeht Its always so hard to understand your posts. Are you wishing everyone Happy Thanksgiving?

?

Jim
Posted by afeht   ( 1172 ) on Nov-22-07 at 22:45:43 PST   Listings
jaywild,

I am not religious at all but, unlike you, I don't have a problem with people expressing their thanks to whatever divine being they believe in, as long as they don't impose their beliefs on me.

Liberal (socialist) beliefs, on the other hand, being as irrational and as unsubstantiated as any religion, are legislated into laws and shoved down our throats, taxes and all, at a point of a gun.

Therefore, there is no level field in any "liberal" vs. "conservative" discussion. Socialists have no moral right to express their views in public until their ideology is separated from the state.

Only then, when their righteous greedy hands will be withdrawn from our pockets, when compassion shall cease to be mandatory, when all the taxes financing their social engineering will be abolished, they will deserve to be heard on equal basis.
Posted by 22028   ( 1666 ) on Nov-22-07 at 21:16:58 PST   Listings
The GBPS (Great Britain Philatelic Society) on my question why someone has to be paid member of the GBPS in order to participate on the discussion forum:

QUOTE:
dont be cheeky and expect everything for nothing become a member, you wont be disappointed.
UNQUOTE:

Well, in my opinion, with such an attitude they will not find many members...


Posted by 22028   ( 1666 ) on Nov-22-07 at 21:07:41 PST   Listings
stamphick, well, what is said by politics, especially French ones, is pure politics. I will never trust them..., French fries, freedom fries, what a choke and childish behavior anyway...
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Nov-22-07 at 20:14:05 PST   Listings
jaywild...If you have been keeping up I'm sure you know that the current French president has had some really nice things to say about the US and in our congressional lunch room they are serving French fries again.

Don't worry yourself about the G-d thing.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1055 ) on Nov-22-07 at 20:04:29 PST   Listings
Burt

From some several hundred miles south of you, it is currently 28F

Posted by oggilby   ( 1241 ) on Nov-22-07 at 19:32:18 PST   Listings
Greetings to all from a rapidly dropping temperature (76 F to 44 F) Central MD!

For a alternative look at why we Americans celebrate Thanksgiving see here
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-22-07 at 18:31:07 PST   Listings
NOIP Im beginning to wonder who G-d is. Adherents of more than one religion have used the term on this board. I hope the correct G-d knows who is addressing H-m.

?

Also, I was under the impression that the French headline Nous sommes tous Americains appeared immediately after 9-11. The feeling about America in France has since undergone a dramatic, regrettable change.

The proclamation signed by Abraham Lincoln inaugurating Thanksgiving as a national holiday was actually composed by William Seward, Secretary of State. It is replete with the kind of rhetorical flourishes that Lincoln personally disliked, although he heartily supported the idea and was enthusiastic about supporting it.

Jim
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 661 ) on Nov-22-07 at 17:48:24 PST   Listings
E U S C
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The EUSC meeting for November 2007 will commence at 12:00 Midnight (ebay time) November 23rd and end midnight November 25th. The meetings topic will focus on Revenue stamps of the world. This will also include proprietary, hunting etc.
Basically any stamps that were used to pay taxes and or fees (other than mail transport).
Members are invited and encouraged to share their revenue stamps and any related items and knowledge.




Posted by malolo   ( 867 ) on Nov-22-07 at 17:26:57 PST   Listings
AAArrrhhh!!!!!

I juts had a long post in response to your wonderful comparison scans, but must make this shorter as I have to go to work at th airport tonight. Why anyone travels on a holiday is beyond me!LOL

The left stamp a 22A (Scot 15) shows the clear inking and fine detail, also the thin paper with clear embossing. The stamp on the right a 22F (Scott 32) shows all the characteristics of the first Bern printing. Ink filled in along shoulders and away from the head on the right, and the space under Helvetia's right arm. All Bern printings Scott 20 - 23 have this look. All Munich printing have the look of the left stamp.

All Munich and Bern printings have grill cancels, only very special rarities have town cancels. All stamps printied after May 1857 have town cancels which helps to separate the different issues.
Here is a search simply looking for Switzerand 1854:

Switzerland 1854

Very few are correctly identified. Here's a $160 test.

And we wouldn't be finished if we didn't view an optimist's auction.


Notice the number of different catalogues used, this rally only serves to confuse buyers, if they aren't up on the topic.

Roger




Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-22-07 at 16:41:40 PST   Listings
P.S.:
Couldn't send away that apparent greenish component,
without altering the grey component,
typical of the printing.
When you receive the item,
you will certainly be able to take a better picture.
My last, just for the striking difference between red (-dish) brown and matt grey brown, besides the other details of the printed elements you thoroughly explained.
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-22-07 at 16:11:57 PST   Listings
Roger,
Thanks for your kind notes!
I am taking notes, Roger!
As promised is the the generic 22A next to your recently acquired 22F:
http://i12.tinypic.com/6sg9s7d.jpg

Balkania05,
"It would be greatly appreciated if chat board participants
provide LINKS to pictures
rather than posting them directly to this board.
Here's how to post a LINK. Thanks. "
From the Yellow Boxes below.
Your pictures, posted at 07:15:24 PST, are way too large (above 100 Kb each, with useless black background) to have any redeeming property to be posted directly on this board.

--, Paolo Bagaglia


Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Nov-22-07 at 13:09:24 PST   Listings
infla-alec...Quite simply it is to give thanks to G-d for a bountiful harvest.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 561 ) on Nov-22-07 at 12:53:37 PST   Listings
Nick Thanks for the fast reply. Much appreciated.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 82 ) on Nov-22-07 at 12:49:23 PST   Listings
Happy Thanksgiving to all our US colleagues.
cheers
Peter
Posted by kathmoon   ( 348 ) on Nov-22-07 at 12:41:47 PST   Listings
Infla-alec: This is an excerpt from a First Thanksgiving web site - there are several interesting ones if you google "first Thanksgiving".


First Thanksgiving

In 1621, the Plymouth colonists and Wampanoag Indians shared an autumn harvest feast which is acknowledged today as one of the first Thanksgiving celebrations in the colonies. This harvest meal has become a symbol of cooperation and interaction between English colonists and Native Americans. Although this feast is considered by many to the very first Thanksgiving celebration, it was actually in keeping with a long tradition of celebrating the harvest and giving thanks for a successful bounty of crops. Native American groups throughout the Americas, including the Pueblo, Cherokee, Creek and many others organized harvest festivals, ceremonial dances, and other celebrations of thanks for centuries before the arrival of Europeans in North America.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 561 ) on Nov-22-07 at 12:35:38 PST   Listings
Happy Thanksgiving to all those in the US. Perhaps one of you can explain exactly why you have this holiday ? I have asked several American friends and none seem to know the answer.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3614 ) on Nov-22-07 at 12:11:25 PST   Listings
Paulo & Bjorn,

Thanks for your input on the Belgian censor. I guess the businesses in Belgium didn't waste much time starting up after the Allied armies came through. The business in NY looks farming related. Lots of much needed food in Europe at the time.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Nov-22-07 at 11:26:12 PST   Listings
Matt...Well, as a recent French newspaper headline proclaimed: "Nous sommes tous Americains."
Posted by jimbo   ( 419 ) on Nov-22-07 at 11:16:51 PST   Listings
220man,
Yes.
Cut the 4 corners out of an unambiguous flat plate (Scott 331).

jimbo
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Nov-22-07 at 11:14:31 PST   Listings
220man see about 2/3 down this page. I think that's what you are looking for.

Bill D.
Posted by 220man   ( 162 ) on Nov-22-07 at 10:53:31 PST   Listings
Anybody remember the way to make a common W-F 1c into a low cost flat plate/rotary gauge?
Phil
Posted by kathmoon   ( 348 ) on Nov-22-07 at 10:39:48 PST   Listings
Matt, Thanks for the insight. I found them in a stockbook as I was sorting out a "junk lot", and just listed them on a whim. The whim turned into a win. I figured that they were "wallpaper" - but attractive wallpaper. I will have to google "Sanders" - thanks for the info. The people on the board never cease to amaze with their depth of available information. Nick
Posted by matthew1999   ( 176 ) on Nov-22-07 at 10:11:39 PST   Listings
Happy holiday to the Americans, I guess we should be THANKful there's anyone left in the world who's willing to chat with us...

Bjorn
Reichenberg is Liberec

Mh
Posted by iomoon   ( 1055 ) on Nov-22-07 at 10:06:43 PST   Listings
Happy Thanksgiving


Posted by djs127   ( 633 ) on Nov-22-07 at 09:40:33 PST   Listings
Happy thanksgiving to all!
Looking at internet and newspaper ads to see what is the best price for a 20 inch or large HD LCD TV for my wife to Chanukah and Anniversary.
David Snyder
Posted by bjornmu   ( 953 ) on Nov-22-07 at 09:13:17 PST   Listings
Keleofa, this has got to be a post-liberation cover. In Norway, foreign mail was censored for about three months.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3614 ) on Nov-22-07 at 09:11:28 PST   Listings
Nick,

Your Orchid link And congratulations!

Don't go by the Scott Catalog.

That Orchid issue by Guyana is very popular. It is based on lithographs from Sanders in England.

Check this out.

Sanders Orchids are HOT!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by kathmoon   ( 348 ) on Nov-22-07 at 08:54:38 PST   Listings
NOIP: Is there any logic to the bidding on lot # 110193652450 (sorry, I don't know how to do a link)? Nick
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-22-07 at 08:09:13 PST   Listings
To all and Sundry

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

Jim
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-22-07 at 07:44:53 PST   Listings
Matt in Arizona,
I think I agree with Paul (Philaweb):
I see Belgian and American censor markings and tape...
that of the OKW (Oberkommando der Wehrmacht) is missing...
Likely it was just a bad memory?
Just a guess this one too, though!

Paolo
Posted by jimbo   ( 419 ) on Nov-22-07 at 07:40:06 PST   Listings
balkania,
I don't know how the j got in there. The 10 is a Scott 68.

jimbo
Posted by jimbo   ( 419 ) on Nov-22-07 at 07:37:50 PST   Listings
balkania05,
The 10 is a Scott 68j with trimmed perfs both right and left and a pulled perf at the top. The off color 1 has the look of a stamp which has been soaked too long or exposed to too much sun.

pro,
Sorry not to have gotten back to you before. The three covers you posted were very interesting. You're becoming a remarkable 'picker'. I wish I could do as well. However, I think it takes more time than I'm willing to devote.

All,
A happy Thanksgiving to everyone. May your house be warm with fellowship of friends and loved ones. Enjoy the table treats and the entertainments. Review the bounty you enjoy. Think of sharing with those less fortunate. Many haven't been as lucky as you.

jimbo
Posted by balkania05   ( 582 ) on Nov-22-07 at 07:15:24 PST   Listings
Need your help again. Have this 10 cents stamp and don't know what scott # is. The perforation is 12, no grill, used. Second is a 1 cent stamp ( left one) , used, and is different than scott catalog.The colors are not the right ones. Is this an error?
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Posted by keleofa   ( 3614 ) on Nov-22-07 at 06:42:16 PST   Listings
Balkania & Philaweb,

re: Belgium censor

Thanks!

The next set was issued in 1944, liberation of Charleroi by American and Canadian units was September 1944 so this cover probably was sent between liberation in September and when the next set became available, or until supplies of the old stamp was exhausted.

I just wasn't sure how long mail was censored from liberated nations.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by balkania05   ( 582 ) on Nov-22-07 at 06:34:02 PST   Listings
Belgium was liberated beginning in 1944. So your cover can be before liberation or after. I have lots of covers like yours before and after WWII. Original I'm from Europe but live here in U.S.A.
Posted by philaweb   ( 330 ) on Nov-22-07 at 06:25:56 PST   Listings
Good Morning/Day/Afternoon/Evening!

keleofa A guess would be the cover was mailed after the war during allied "occupation".

Posted by keleofa   ( 3614 ) on Nov-22-07 at 05:51:53 PST   Listings
WWII Censored Mail Question...

I have a censored cover, Belgium to USA. I cannot read the postmark date but the stamp wasn't issued until 1943.

Question: Was mail permitted to travel from occupied Belgium to the USA during the war or was mail still being censored after Liberation or even after the war?

Front

Back

T I A (and Happy Thanksgiving to all!)

Matt in Arizona
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1430 ) on Nov-22-07 at 05:09:50 PST   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Today the US observes the Thanksgiving Holiday. May all of you, regardless of location, take a moment to recognize many of the reasons we each have to give thanks.

Jim L.


member
Posted by oggilby   ( 1241 ) on Nov-22-07 at 05:05:27 PST   Listings
Enjoy your holiday America, but take time to reflect on those less fortunate than yourselves and how you can make there lives better, off to the shelters to serve lunch. dinner.
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Nov-22-07 at 03:37:32 PST   Listings
balkanian The stamp you're now refering to IS a hyper rarity. It happened when workers at the BEP goofed and installed the wrong perf wheel by mistake (horizontal direction or "top/bottom"). I believe the error can be found either top or bottom but never both. Needless to say, the potential you have one of those is nearly nil.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-22-07 at 02:50:23 PST   Listings
HAPPY THANKSGIVING Time to reflect back and give thanks to the Almighty .
Posted by balkania05   ( 582 ) on Nov-22-07 at 02:41:32 PST   Listings
how about send you 1000 skunks,"made in U.S.A" and send me back a kangaroo? lol, just kiding.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 524 ) on Nov-22-07 at 02:36:22 PST   Listings
Balkania, maybe if I had more than 3 days, however..... :o)
Posted by balkania05   ( 582 ) on Nov-22-07 at 02:14:10 PST   Listings
mini*lindy? how about a trade? give you my place in new york state ( winter's here) and give me your in Sydney? JK
Posted by balkania05   ( 582 ) on Nov-22-07 at 02:10:58 PST   Listings
ok. thank you. one more question. about scott # 562. On the top of my scott catalog is perf.11. when you get to the scott 562 , 562c perf. 10 bottom or top . For 562c the 11 perf. is vertical and perf. 10 is bottom or top? Can be bottom and top?
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 524 ) on Nov-22-07 at 02:09:25 PST   Listings
NOIP, I'm leaving in the morning for a short 3 day holiday in Sydney. Our grandaughter is in the Schools Spectacular Concert and we're off to see the Show. (will be on TV during Christmas week).
Hope all our American friends have a lovely Thanksgiving Weekend.

Linda
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Nov-22-07 at 01:52:23 PST   Listings
balkania You have a Scott #591. Same design, different perfs, considered thus a different Scotts number. I'd love to tell you its a hyper rarity, but it catalogs about a dime more then the #562. Sorry.
Posted by balkania05   ( 582 ) on Nov-22-07 at 01:28:11 PST   Listings
need help.about scott# 562, 10 c Monroe. Have a 10c Monroe all sides perf. 10. can somebody tell me what scott # is about?
Posted by 22028   ( 1666 ) on Nov-22-07 at 01:02:07 PST   Listings
To All Americans, Happy Thanksgiving Day..., even here in UAE the supermarkets were full with frozen Turkeys...
Posted by malolo   ( 867 ) on Nov-21-07 at 23:16:24 PST   Listings
Paolo -
Don't ever ask me about stamps in this condition at this price. )'>)
This or
this.

Then I dug deeper into the buyers feedback record. Oh, ny!

Roger
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1429 ) on Nov-21-07 at 20:17:52 PST   Listings
member
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-21-07 at 17:19:49 PST   Listings
Congratulations, Alexander!

Paolo
Posted by afeht   ( 1171 ) on Nov-21-07 at 17:01:57 PST   Listings
Rhetorical exclamation

I've been on eBay almost 10 years, and still don't understand it! Two times i re-listed those "killer-obliterated" Victorian lots, and there were no bidders. Today, suddenly, there is fight over them. Go figure.

Meanwhile, I am still hoping that somebody would be able to explain to me this stamp perforated 12-1/2 all around. Can't find any references to this perforation anywhere.
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-21-07 at 16:47:10 PST   Listings
Jim (IO)
"Seriously considering hibernation - if only I could regulate my body temperature and didn't have to work."

Seriously that is a recurrent thought of mine as well.
Looks like this is the draw back from being an endothermic instead of an homoeothermic (omeotermo, in my language of undertsanding) animal!
But nature will find its way into this problem.

Paolo
Posted by malolo   ( 866 ) on Nov-21-07 at 16:25:13 PST   Listings
Aloha Bjorn and David -

Correct. I have another couple of items that were written while the tourist was travelling by train and had the wrong stamps on the card or cover. These items have train station cancels which makes sense, as thats where the traveller got off the train and mailed the items.

In this case coming from Austria the traveller placed two 5 heller stamps, correct if posted in Austria, but not valid in Switzerland (as indicated by blue crayon around the stamps.).The cancel intentianally missed the stamps, but was used to show point of entry into the country. The T and 20 were placed on the card by the Swiss. At the time 5 Swiss centimes equalled 1 US cent, thus US 4 cents psotage due in the US.

I like three country items.

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels
Posted by malolo   ( 866 ) on Nov-21-07 at 16:14:05 PST   Listings
Paolo -
Yes, that is a Munich printing 22A.

There are a few different shades, but that is not really significant. The only color variety from Munich was the orange brown 22Aa. That was the first printing and determined to be too bright, so the printers were ordered to change the color which they did to a more typical brown.

Your stamp has all the characteristics of the Munich printing, fine shoulder lines, sharp clear lozenge background with no ink filling in the spaces, almost no dry ink spots (Munich had smooth flowing ink), and the thin paper with detailed embossing. Voila! 22A.

The first Bern printing, 22B, has ink filling in around the neck and shoulders, including some of the closest lozenges. It looks very heavy in that area with no detail, when compared to your stamp.

Roger
Posted by dbenson   ( 8714 ) on Nov-21-07 at 15:59:15 PST   Listings
Roger, the crayon marks around the stamps signify that they were not accepted for postage,

David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1055 ) on Nov-21-07 at 15:40:28 PST   Listings
Dang, I went by the supermarket two hours ago.
Parking lot was packed.
Looks like everybody left their Thanksgiving food buying to the last minute.

To make it festive, the temperature is destined to drop 30F tomorrow.
I'm really looking forward to that - NOT!!!
And it looks like snow in the desert for saturday.

Seriously considering hibernation - if only I could regulate my body temperature and didn't have to work.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 952 ) on Nov-21-07 at 15:38:25 PST   Listings
Close the bold, close the bold...
Posted by bjornmu   ( 952 ) on Nov-21-07 at 15:38:04 PST   Listings
Roger, that Austrian postcard looks easy: it was franked with Austrian stamps but posted in Zrich. I think it looks like the Schnbrunn castle in Vienna.
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-21-07 at 15:01:14 PST   Listings
P.S. the color is faithful, judging by my eye with comparison of this stamp, which I just found in one collection bought -- brevi manu -- from a dear Dutch friend (John D.) As I already said : I yet have to begin the study of Strubels... and to re-read your kind educative notes of the present and past, Roger!!!

Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-21-07 at 14:55:04 PST   Listings
With special thanks to tinypic.com!!!

Roger, these are a little higher resolution images than those I sent you per e-mail.

Front: http://i16.tinypic.com/6woodpw.jpg
Reverse: http://i1.tinypic.com/6tlfc6w.jpg

As I told you by e-mail,
"The embossing is present and sharp.
The paper is very thin.
The stamp is defective:
thin at top and cut into at bottom."

(where the emphasis is for the board... and for a few sellers!!!).

Alles bestens, Paolo
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-21-07 at 14:41:17 PST   Listings
Roger, CYE
Paolo
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-21-07 at 14:19:08 PST   Listings
Roger,
I forgot: I still have to calibrate the micrometer for today! ;-)
I am doing it right now!
Will post image of 22A also on this board.

Paolo (keep on reporting! ;-))

Posted by malolo   ( 866 ) on Nov-21-07 at 14:00:01 PST   Listings
Paolo -

I report your posts all the time and nothing happens. ROFLMAO

Roger
Posted by malolo   ( 866 ) on Nov-21-07 at 13:55:25 PST   Listings
Aloha -

By happenstance another postage due involving an Austrian postcard. So let's have another test!
Explain this card.

Anyone want to venture a guess why I bought this cover. Hint.

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels

Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-21-07 at 13:52:34 PST   Listings
Saphilatelics,
I would quantify the value within the 10 US$ range.

However, I would need a higher resolution image of the adhesives, especially of the Swiss Postage due, which I think it's a Zumstein G number;
in the, although remote, eventuality it bears frame type I instead of type II, the value could easily be 10 times (or more) as much.

On another matter,
eBay has deprived me of the ability to report my own posts.

Roger,
I am scanning and will send you '.jpg' right away!

Good continuation,
Paolo
Posted by bjornmu   ( 952 ) on Nov-21-07 at 11:25:04 PST   Listings
Austrian card: yes they changed currency in 1899, but not until December 1, at least that's when the new set of definitives were issued. Assuming this should have been franked with the then current red stamp for international postcard, it's 1kr short.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 561 ) on Nov-21-07 at 11:02:19 PST   Listings
Saphilatelics Regarding your ebay talk I assume the local members have no idea how ebay works. There are a huge number of things that you should cover but I doubt they can be done in one evening.

If at all possible with a live computer set up in the room. If that is not possible consider making a slide show presentation with saved screen shot images. Failing that a printed hand out they can take away at the end of the evening. You can bet they won't take it all in in one go.

For beginners it is perhaps best to initially explain ,
1. How they can find items and search worldwide.
2. The procedure for bidding including use of a sniper service.
3. How they are expected to make payment and how Paypal works.
4. What questions to ask sellers.
5. How to spot the scammers.
6. Then be sure to tell them to come here for help at anytime.

Good luck with the talk.

Rainer Sorry I don't know of any UK based stamp board. But one other place to try for information from Scandanavian countries is Tradera. That is a Swedish auction run on similar lines to ebay. But they do have several stamp forums. Unfortunately I don't speak Swedish but "Almedalan" (Klaus) from Philaforum does and he has several good contacts in Tradera. I should add that Klaus is German and you can contact him in your native tongue although he does also speak very good English.
Posted by malolo   ( 866 ) on Nov-21-07 at 10:38:03 PST   Listings
saphilatelics & Paolo -
I looked at the card and was uncomfortable with the 2 1/2 in conjunction with the "4 ?" paid by stamps.
I looked in my catalogue - I'm starting to enjoy being a Queen - and discovered that in 1899 Austria changed its currency from kreuzer to heller. The stamps are old currency 1890 2kr light brown, and my guess is they were used in place of the 1899 3 heller bistre brown. I don't know if there was a revaluation of the currency in international exchange rates.

Anyway, the post card rate should have been the equivalant of "10" somethings and in this case the card was considered short 2 1/2.
Between 1. VII. 1892 and 1. I. 1899 the international penalty was always rounded up to a minimum of 5 centimes.

Roger
Paolo - I'm ready for your scans.
Posted by saphilatelics   ( 492 ) on Nov-21-07 at 08:00:00 PST   Listings
Paolo,
that makes sense, thanks. Any idea as to value?
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-21-07 at 06:57:29 PST   Listings
"2 + 2 = 4 (??? -- sorry, my calculator has the battery exhausted!)! ;-)
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-21-07 at 06:50:09 PST   Listings
Hallo Saphilatelics,
I believe it is like you wrote, regarding the 'UNGLTIG' postal marking applied in Engelberg.
The French speaking P.O.s had the equivalent which read 'ANNUL' and the Canton Ticino P.O.s one that read 'ANNULLATO', used for refused or re-addressed postage due mail. The '5' crayon marking in dark blue is likely Swiss, it corresponds to the 5 Rp. postage due shown more clearly by the 5 Rp. adhesive in darker olive green and 'zinnoberrot'.
From Wien on 18.8.99, it arrived in Engelberg (CH) on 20.8.1899 at 9 o'clock in the morning (roman numerals IX) when it was applied the postage due.
It departed Engelberg on 21.8.1899 at 5 o' clock in the afternoon (arabic numeral 5), after it had been applied the new address and the 'UNGLTIG' marking.
I believe the German cancel 'Bestell / vom / Postamte...' impressed two days later on 23.8.1899 was of a Berlin mailman who collected the fee due shorthand by the recipient... likely 5 pfennig?
(could it be that no fee was collected, because maybe the Austrian franking was correct for Germany, but not for Switzerland???).
I also presume that the '2 1/2' crayon marking indicates was what missing in Swiss Rappen on the Austrian franking with adhesives (2 = 2 = 4 kreuzer ?) and "5" (not "8") impressed more heavily is its double, to pay.
I believe that the 'T' black marking is Austrian (very similar to Italian types of the period).
No idea on whose is the 'Porto' marking in violet and if it has any relation to the new address written in similar colour with violet crayon. Yes, Porto should stand for what you wrote, and likely is Swiss.
But I have to leave to Roger (or others) the eventual confirmation and the needed further explanations!
Paolo
Posted by 22028   ( 1666 ) on Nov-21-07 at 06:41:07 PST   Listings
knuden, thanks, I just posted my question in both forums.

Does someone knows similar forums for UK?
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1429 ) on Nov-21-07 at 06:29:54 PST   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


malolo
You asked Brian -
What's this mean to you? Conditions of sale from that seller. "Winner adds $1.00 postage to lower 48."
For me its an indication that the seller may be used to shipping large, bulky items rather than stamps and covers. Some time back I got some rugs for Christmas presents and the seller charged shipping only if the lot went outside of the continental (lower 48) states. It all has to do with the carriers rate structures.

Jim L.


member
Posted by saphilatelics   ( 492 ) on Nov-21-07 at 05:56:55 PST   Listings
Switzerland specialists:

http://images.andale.com/f2/121/113/25736907/2007/11/21/Postcard.jpg

Interested to hear your opinion on this item. Best I can figure it, the card was sent from Vienna to Engelberg, Switzerland, where a postage due was applied. But, because the recipient had left the hotel and returned to Germany, it was forwarded to Berlin. So what happened to the postage due? Obviously, the Swiss couldn't collect it, and the Germans couldn't collect on the Swiss postage due (hence they stamped it "UNGUELTIG" = invalid)? Did the Germans have to pay the Swiss their postage due, and then collected from the recipient in Berlin? And is the "Porto" (= fee to be collected from the recipient?) stamp of German origin? What about the markings 2 1/2 and 8 in blue crayon? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-21-07 at 04:59:10 PST   Listings
SAPHILATELIC -----For your talk to the club, a idea for subject would be the price differance between what prices are realiseing on E-bay and the asking prices that dealers put on price list and asking prices at bourses/stamp shows .That should keep everyones interest and attention.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-21-07 at 04:49:02 PST   Listings
PAIN---OH---PAIN Need to make a note to myself-----Don't stand and try to out punch a martial arts fighter who is less than half your age {he's 23 and im 58}. Should get him to the ground and choke him in a rear naked choke or a arm bar and force him to submitt. But standing and just punching him doesn't work against a heavier person .Wife is right should of worked on stamps last night .----The busted up one
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Nov-21-07 at 01:29:38 PST   Listings
ARRRGH!

OK, take two, then off to bed.

Nomad Yes, BOTH stamps are Richmond prints (AKA #7). I was commenting on how nice the seller was to ignore the incorrect comment somebody else added, and instead listing the item accurately.

Malolo Something tells me a guy who will pass on SCREWING the bidders, by ACCURATELY listing an item as a lesser thing, will likely also ship it to you in Hawaii for the same rate as us "normal" people in the lower 48 get. Just don't mention anything about your razor cancel fetish to be sure :o)

Posted by knuden   ( 2397 ) on Nov-20-07 at 23:20:47 PST   Listings
22028 - Rainer - If you go to the forum of mine here, there is a page at the bottom for English speaking members, where you can ask your question. You should ask it at this forum too, which I'm a member of. Click on "Opret nyt emne" and write it in the box, which shows up. :O)

K.E  I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!


Posted by saphilatelics   ( 492 ) on Nov-20-07 at 23:01:46 PST   Listings
Back from the stamp club meeting where we had our annual auction to benefit the club coffers. Members donated a nice range of items and after sometimes spirited bidding, $245 was raised (not bad for our small club). I bought a complete 2002 6-volume Scott Standard set for $19, which I thought was a good deal. It is the first Scott catalog to grace my book shelf, and I'm sure it will serve as a useful reference. We also selected officers for next year and decided on programming. I was volunteered to do a program on ebay in February. Since many of our members have never used ebay, it should be quite interesting. Any suggestion on topics to cover?
Posted by 22028   ( 1666 ) on Nov-20-07 at 20:01:58 PST   Listings
Is someone here aware of a discussion forum on a danish postal history / philatelic web site where i could post a question regarding postal rates from Denmark to Iraq during 1923 - 1940? Of course, if someone know the rate, he can post them here as well.
Posted by nomad55   ( 941 ) on Nov-20-07 at 17:59:39 PST   Listings
briguy...I'm confused also. I think they are both Richmond prints. For sure the left is, and since the right stamp does not have the crispness and clarity of a DeLaRue, to me its a Richmond too.
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Posted by malolo   ( 866 ) on Nov-20-07 at 16:50:14 PST   Listings
Brian -
What's this mean to you? Conditions of sale from that seller.
"Winner adds $1.00 postage to lower 48."

Since when does the post office not deliver to the other two states? This is the sort of descriptive garbage that causes me to click off an auction immediately.

I'm actually confused as to whether they were both printed in Richmond. The description seems to imply one came from London.

Roger
Posted by iomoon   ( 1055 ) on Nov-20-07 at 16:35:00 PST   Listings
I don't think I ever want to be excoriated.

Sounds worse than being hung, drawn and quatered!
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Nov-20-07 at 16:11:10 PST   Listings
Now here is an EBay seller I'm impressed by! Dispite the misleading note on the back from an earlier collector/dealer, he got them auction description right! Far too often the urge to ignore a suspicion, and run with bad info takes over......especially when a mixed franking cover goes for factors more then one with two alike issues.

The the earlier assertion that this was a mixed franking might not in itself have been nefarious in nature, more like wishful hoping. While the stamps are clearly from seperate printings, they are both clearly locally produced in Richmond CSA #7's. The lighter blue shade of the stamp on the right, could easily make a newbie goof this one, as that shade is very close to the lighter blue #6 produced in London by De La Rue.

All one has to do is focus in on the right and bottom frame lines of that stamp. Notice its overinked to the point of becoming solid with the design? That is what happens when incorrect and uneven pressure is applied to a typographic plate. Its a printers flaw, one that would have NEVER passed inspection at De La Rue, but one that was more common then not for the inexperienced Confederate printers in Richmond, as they dabbled in typography for the first time.

Wow. It feels good to be lauding (as opposed to excoriating) a seller for a change. :o)
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-20-07 at 15:53:21 PST   Listings
THANKS bill d

ATTACHED sCAN

DETROIT
Posted by bjornmu   ( 952 ) on Nov-20-07 at 15:06:18 PST   Listings
Knuden, thanks and I knew what the cancel meant. I also see it's sent within Sudetenland though I can't remember the Czech name of Reichenberg. It has a bid of 20kr at the moment.
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Nov-20-07 at 14:53:23 PST   Listings
due2cents detroit perfin pattern is, not surprisingly, for the City of Detroit. It is rated D, and is found in issues from 1908-1919. The City of Detroit also used a Det pattern (lower case e and t), in issues from 1912-1919.

Bill D.
Posted by knuden   ( 2397 ) on Nov-20-07 at 14:51:28 PST   Listings
bjornmu - It's a cover from Sudetenland, canceled wit a propaganda cancel in Oct. 1938, when the German tookover? the area. As it's with Czechoslovakian stamps, I will guess you can sell it for $7.00 - $9.00 (or more if 2 can't live without it.) :O)
You can read more about these cover on my site here.

K.E  I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!


Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-20-07 at 14:50:27 PST   Listings
NOIP-----It sells newspapers and makes a nice news story on CNN, but the fact remains it will never happen. Maybe just maybe someone wants millions of people to sell the dollar at these low levels .......
Posted by bjornmu   ( 952 ) on Nov-20-07 at 14:38:01 PST   Listings
To get back to stamps: Knuden, is this cover with a slogan cancel from Leitmeritz 10.10.38 anything of value?
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-20-07 at 14:27:02 PST   Listings
Paul Further info. If OPEC pricing was shifted to euros, the term would probably be petroeuros.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-20-07 at 14:22:30 PST   Listings
Paul Some info to bring you up to speed on the subject. Although this article is from 2004, the consideration is ongoing.

And I cant quite figure out your comment
There is no other currency that can be used.---period -------for petro-dollars.
Did you mean petroleum rather than petrodollars?

Jim
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-20-07 at 13:43:21 PST   Listings
There is no other currency that can be used.---period -------for petro-dollars.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-20-07 at 13:43:14 PST   Listings
220man Pricing oil in euros is currently under consideration, and my understanding is that the EU would just as soon forgo that privilege. Frankly I dont know what would happen if that switch was made, but the thinking behind it is that the dollars domestic troubles (i.e. pressure from low interest rates) are partly to blame for oils increase, that pegging oil to another currency would eliminate. However economic configurations are like toothpaste tubes. If toothpaste is leaking out, the problem is not always solved by screwing the cap on tighter. Given enough strain the tube will simply open up somewhere else.

Jim
Posted by 220man   ( 162 ) on Nov-20-07 at 13:16:46 PST   Listings
jaywild: What if OPEC decided to go with a currency other than the U.S. dollar?
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-20-07 at 13:08:14 PST   Listings
infla-alec One also might profit from looking at the artwork displayed on those stamps. There are some exquisite paintings, all related to the theme of letter-writing. Among the benefits stamps provide are education and enlightenment.

poppadawg... I use that site myself for currency rates. I see that the Canadian dollar is worth more than the US dollar, for the first time ever in my modestly long life. Didnt think I would ever see that happen.

It is probably useful to appreciate that the current slide of the US dollar is as much about the price of oil as anything else. While demand has been the largest driving force behind oils climb to the stratosphere, one side effect has been to drag the dollar down. Remember that oil is after all a commodity, and that its price is described, by common agreement, in US dollars per barrel. When the price whipsaws the poor dollar can do nothing but hang on for the ride.

Jim
Posted by infla-alec   ( 561 ) on Nov-20-07 at 12:43:27 PST   Listings
Paul and Jim Thanks for the fast reply. I suspected as much but always better to ask especially when the area is one I know nothing about with any degree of certainty.
Just in case "gordonsauctions" doesn't see the reply I'll pass on your comments. Once again thanks.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1055 ) on Nov-20-07 at 12:40:04 PST   Listings
Alec or gordonsauctions

They are from the 1974 USPS UPU sheet.
Worth 10c apiece.
Though catalogued about double that.
With the plate block numbers, might make $2.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-20-07 at 12:34:45 PST   Listings
INFLA-ALEC-------Use them as postage ,they have no value other than mailing.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 561 ) on Nov-20-07 at 12:29:08 PST   Listings
US help A couple of days ago ebayer gordonsauctions was asking about some US stamps. Being a non collector I have since received the scans and hope someone can confirm excatly what they are and a current value.
Scan 1
Scan 2
Scan 3

My guess is they are stamps from a booklet and the numbers at the bottom are Plate numbers ?

Milenko Your charity welfare translation is correct and as Mathew assumed correctly the surcharge was in aid of the ten year old charity. Hence the 1923-1933.

Knud Always nice to see your new wrapper finds.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-20-07 at 12:26:46 PST   Listings
dragon not dargon ---sorry
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-20-07 at 12:25:45 PST   Listings
DARGON----I think adding in the currency flucuations to ones buying and selling is out right dumb.The changes are so minor unless your into the thousands of dollars per transactions.I think its confusing some into watching what is not necessary.
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 493 ) on Nov-20-07 at 12:03:10 PST   Listings
Paul: Hey I buy corn to eat it.
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 493 ) on Nov-20-07 at 12:02:25 PST   Listings
Right, Non-US collectors should be buying from US dealers, US dealers selling to non- US.
Of course the post office seems to be trying to stop that!:(

Some leadership would be nice!!
We want to sell (US), to lower the trade deficit.
Now is not the time to make that more difficult.

Assuming the amount of collectors remains the same....
You could have a declining amount of collectors, offset the weak dollar gains.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-20-07 at 12:02:09 PST   Listings
YOU GUYS ARE ALL CORN-FUSED You buy the stamps or covers because you enjoy them and learn something in the process .It is a joy to have them and relax and work on then .-----------Money who cares -------It is the escape from everything else in life that makes them worth the money and effort .
Posted by iomoon   ( 1055 ) on Nov-20-07 at 11:55:50 PST   Listings
Maybe I'm missing something in this thread.

The value of the stamps appears to be unchanged (except for the very high-end market).
It is the value of the currency used to pay for them that is changing.

Americans are basically paying the same for US stamps, non-US stamps are costing more and non-US buyers can buy more US stamps at a lesser cost to them.
Posted by philatarium   ( 240 ) on Nov-20-07 at 11:41:40 PST   Listings
And dragonstamps' point causes me to clarify my comment: If I were thinking about selling my US collection because the weakening dollar means things are only going to get worse, then I'm not sure that would motivate me to sell. However, if I saw the weakening US dollar as an opportunity to get a potentially higher realization (if I auctioned in an international venue), then perhaps I would think about selling, if I had already been thinking about selling anyway.

However, the potential gains I mentioned in the earlier post because of the weak dollar might be offset by the lower demand for US material by US purchasers in a weakening economy.

So, who knows? (Seems like that was the key takeaway point in my econ classes!)

This ignores a major point made by Matt (congrats again, Matt!) in his NY Times article that high-end collectors will not be discouraged by weakening conditions. But most of us, even if we have nice material, may not have material that would attract that type of bidder.

And Richard's point about quality (especially vis-a-vis catalog value) is key.
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 493 ) on Nov-20-07 at 11:04:51 PST   Listings
I expect the dollar to start to rise again sometime after Jan 09.
It SHOULD be a job requirement to have a basic understanding of economics. That would be an A- average or better :().
Posted by poppadawg   ( 775 ) on Nov-20-07 at 10:51:59 PST   Listings
noip favorite currency site is here
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 493 ) on Nov-20-07 at 10:47:16 PST   Listings
And just to note, I was getting a few emails to help me in those days, telling me that I was overpaying for stamps.
I guess I'm glad I knew better than the emailers!!
(My email was my Ebay ID back then)
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 493 ) on Nov-20-07 at 10:43:59 PST   Listings
Well if you buy under a strong dollar and sell while the dollar is weak, you will do a heck of lot better than if you try it the other way around.
My first 2 pounds of WW stamps on ebay, I bought for $10, $17 total including shipping.
I'm sure I could get $75 now.
Yes, that $10 lot was a bargain even at that time. But I could never find a 2 pound lot for that price today.
Linn's stamp news has the currency rates every week to help buyers/sellers keep track of the strength of the dollar.
Posted by philatarium   ( 240 ) on Nov-20-07 at 10:22:14 PST   Listings
Adding one small point to the discussion about kchrist's question about the impact of the falling dollar:

I know there are people on here who understand economics much better than I do, but from what little I remember of international finance and foreign exchange in graduate school, I would think the falling dollar might actually have a positive effect. To the extent that there are collectors of US material whose primary currency is one that is strengthening against the dollar (pound, Euro, Canadian $, etc), the weakening US$ makes these items relatively cheaper for them, thus both increasing demand and allowing bidders to bid more aggressively, thus having the potential to raise auction realizations for US stamps.

Of course, this is taking just this one factor out of the larger economic context, and the falling dollar certainly has both positive and negative impacts on the US economy (US exports are cheaper; foreign imports (including oil) are more expensive), but, from my limited understanding, I don't believe the weakening dollar per se should be a catalyst to selling one's collection.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-20-07 at 07:28:19 PST   Listings
thanks Bill.
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Nov-20-07 at 07:03:23 PST   Listings
due2cents will have to wait until I'm home with the catalog before I can tell you the issuer. It is a "D"-rated perfin, catalog number D43. Don't have a .jpg of the facing page with the issuer information on my hardfile.

Bill D.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-20-07 at 06:49:21 PST   Listings
WRD

det
roit


perfin who in detroit
mines on valentine card
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-20-07 at 06:12:40 PST   Listings
The old Blind Squirrell Theory of accumulation.


Gautamala
has nice looking stamps.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-20-07 at 05:58:14 PST   Listings

Just finished reading this
TRUE

Kinda far fetched but the "Jimmy Rogers "
He***ll Driver article rocked
Nascar at it's roots.

Let's go down to the fair grounds and wreck something..
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-20-07 at 05:58:04 PST   Listings
due2 Congratulations on your terrific find too. I knew David B. could figure out what had transpired. I missed the Murmansk cancels, just assuming they were Norwegian without looking at them closely.

Jim
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-20-07 at 05:55:18 PST   Listings
DBENSON

On much closer inspection the
Machine Cancel Is "Hudson Terminal Annex NY
...14
pm
1932

So this went From Murmansk or there abouts , amd then to Leninggrad
and then Hamberg
a ship
Hudsonterminal
Neat

Posted by knuden   ( 2397 ) on Nov-20-07 at 05:50:55 PST   Listings
jaywild - Thanks. Mostly in Denmark but they are hard to find. At the moment I'm watching a registered Postal wrapper, which are ending in 6 days time. Cross your finger. :O)

K.E  I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!


Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-20-07 at 05:45:32 PST   Listings
Knud-Erik You always amaze me. Where do you find this material?

Jim
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1429 ) on Nov-20-07 at 05:35:01 PST   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Jim L.


member
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-20-07 at 05:17:18 PST   Listings
planet-wow Sorry! I remember when I first got back into collecting I was convinced I had a 449, and I stubbornly continued to embrace my error long after it had been amply disproved.

Yep, those collectible gold foil special FDC covers are generally not worth squat. A lot of people were conned (still are) by ads in PARADE and READERS DIGEST that such things are good investments, and they never are. Well-meaning relatives often bought those collections as surprise gifts for their stamp-collecting grandpas, who never had the heart to let on that they were worthless. So when grandpa finally is re-routed to the big P O in the sky, the widow and kids and grandkids are slapped with the ugly truth when they try to sell the stuff.

Jim
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-20-07 at 05:03:58 PST   Listings
GOLDEN golden golden stamps
Foil embossers inc..
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-20-07 at 05:03:09 PST   Listings
FNI
Gloden Replicate Stamps +FDC
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-20-07 at 04:53:55 PST   Listings
BJORN

THE BOSTON to norway tag blank no marks on back

i liked the one dollar stamps
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-20-07 at 04:51:14 PST   Listings
KE

I loved the
" Corner Coconut Estate"

thanks for sharing
Posted by knuden   ( 2397 ) on Nov-20-07 at 01:40:32 PST   Listings
This morning mail brought me 3 items to my exhibit:

1. 7th weight class (300-350gr.) wrapper to Finland 1908 (Only one known in this combination)
2. 2. weight class (50-100gr.) wrapper to Penang 1918 (underfranked 1 re but not put in due) . (The first Danish wrapper to Penang known)
3. 2. weight class (50-100gr.) domestic "double" wrapper 1925 (overfranked with 1 re). The 2 provisional wrappers (5/3+3re and 5/4+3re) exist both with and without fabrication number and both "pair" (5/3+3re with and without fab. nr. and the 5/4+3re ditto) are only recorded 20 specimen each.

K.E  I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

Posted by mini*lindy   ( 520 ) on Nov-19-07 at 23:26:43 PST   Listings
Tues.afternoon bookmark :o)
Posted by bjornmu   ( 952 ) on Nov-19-07 at 22:30:31 PST   Listings
Due, you scan of 16:18:29 is the wrong card, not the one from Boston to Norway.
Posted by planet-wow   ( 578 )   on Nov-19-07 at 22:17:35 PST   Listings
Thanks Jim,
They're 450s. shucks
Mike
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-19-07 at 22:10:53 PST   Listings
planet-wow Check your stamp against this diagram. If your stamp is a TYPE I, then you have a pair of 449s. If its TYPE II, then the pair is 450s.

If you can post a link to a big scan (600 dpi or better) Ill have a look at it myself.

Jim
Posted by planet-wow   ( 578 )   on Nov-19-07 at 22:00:38 PST   Listings
Those yellow boxes are great! thanks
Posted by planet-wow   ( 578 )   on Nov-19-07 at 21:50:44 PST   Listings
Matt
Yes I was on here a couple weeks ago trying to sort through the diff types under my former ID name.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3610 ) on Nov-19-07 at 21:46:42 PST   Listings
Planet,

There are 3 main certification outfits for USA stamps; APS, PF and PSE (check the Yellow Boxes below). Collectors looking for valuable coil stamps will pay a premium for a cert because coils are easily faked from sheet stamps. Your first two stamps are Washington-Franklins and can be challenging to identify.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by planet-wow   ( 578 )   on Nov-19-07 at 21:36:44 PST   Listings
So what certification service do you all recommend? Is there a premium paid for certified stamps? Maybe I should amass a personal collection and sell off just the doubles....
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-19-07 at 21:27:33 PST   Listings
Matthew Yes, I was only considering the investment picture from kchrists perspective as an American, with American material. In his case there is little effect he would experience if the dollar changed in value relative to other currencies.

Of course, my example is predicated on an all-else-being-equal scenario.

planet-wow... The chance of your stamps being a pair of 449s as opposed to 450s is, alas, remote. Its value would be $5,000 and up if a genuine 449 pair.

Jim
Posted by keleofa   ( 3610 ) on Nov-19-07 at 21:21:01 PST   Listings
Planet,

1. May be a coil pair. There are very minute plate differences between 449 and 450. If you don't know stamps find someone to check it out or send it off for certification.

2. Coil singles have many challenges. Your margins don't look cut straight but it may be the picture.

3. Some perf problems but a nice stamp. Scott O21

4. O72 used

Matt in Arizona
Posted by keleofa   ( 3610 ) on Nov-19-07 at 21:11:39 PST   Listings
Liberty,

This is the way it works:

A dealer in 1935 purchases a large quantity of stamps from lets say Spain and Portugal. Complete sets, mint never hinged, at face value. So the cost to the dealer in 1935 is $1.00 for a nice set. Fast forward 25 years later and the catalog value for the set is now $40. The dealer recommends this 'investment' and will sell to you at only 50% of catalog value, or $20. Never mind that at any stamp show you can buy the same set for $5.00.

You pay the $20 and keep the stamps in your safe deposit box. You die in 2007 and your heirs see that these stamps were worth $40 in 1960 and figure they can retire on their winnings. But the set catalogs for only $60 and the original dealer's son will give you 10% of catalog, or $6.00 for the set.

Perhaps a bit jaded.

Anyway, of these theoretical sets bought for $20 a month in the 1960s, some now catalog for $10, some for $500.

If your friend were to bring the entire collection to a dealer, he may not recover the original investment cost.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by keleofa   ( 3610 ) on Nov-19-07 at 21:03:14 PST   Listings
Liberty,

21959 is the plate number from the 3 Swedish-Finnish issue of 1938, 2008 value is $2.25 for the plate block of 6.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1429 ) on Nov-19-07 at 20:46:55 PST   Listings
tasteliberty
Sound like you might have an old Plate Block. If you check out the Yellow box posted earlier here it gives instructions on how to post a link to an image.
member
Posted by planet-wow   ( 578 )   on Nov-19-07 at 20:38:18 PST   Listings
I have four stamps I would like opinions on (well really five). They each came on a slip of paper/filing card marked "J. Merritt Brundige" with spaces for info about the stamp. 1

pencil ID 449 on reverse but came with a 450 filing card.


2 (Scott 386?)
reverse of 2


3
reverse of 3 (stamped vermillion on the reverse?)




4

reverse of 4

Posted by tasteliberty   ( 2551 ) on Nov-19-07 at 20:27:01 PST   Listings
Would you happen to know what the number under the stamps means? Not the Scott catalogue number (I learned about those) but another one. This is a set of 6 stamps with the number 21959, right under the middle column.
Posted by tasteliberty   ( 2551 ) on Nov-19-07 at 20:25:01 PST   Listings
Thank you, Keleofa

I'd supply a link but I don't know how to do those yet:)
Yes, this collection sounds similar. The fellow didn't even open most of 'em (it was an estate sale, too).

Did the original Buyer actually pay those high prices though? How something can be sold as "valued" at $200 or more and now be worth less than $5, I don't understand.

My friend seems to just go through the pkgs, choosing ones with the high-priced original invoices, but after checking on eBay.. I dunno.

Posted by keleofa   ( 3610 ) on Nov-19-07 at 20:19:30 PST   Listings
Liberty,

I'm not familiar with FNI but it sounds like 'stamp-of-the-month club'. I've seen similar stamp offerings before, some from top philatelic dealers. The dealer sends a monthly list of investments and tells the buyer to hold on as the value is on the rise.

I attended an auction about 3 or 4 years ago where a number of these were found in the safe deposit box of a deceased investor. There were many envelopes of investments received, postmarked about one a month. The State of Arizona had claimed the property and was auctioning it off.

The stamps were mostly USA, all mint never hinged and very fresh looking. There were higher value stamps and blocks. I bid on it but was not successful. Over the years I have come across invoices with collections and box lots indicating that an investor was buying $50 or $100 worth of investment quality stamps every month from a dealer.

With your friend's stamp it is probably hit-or-miss. Some may have higher catalog values, some may not. Maybe if you can link to a scan of some of the higher priced items we can supply more info.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by tasteliberty   ( 2551 ) on Nov-19-07 at 19:56:16 PST   Listings
G'evening, Stamp Board

I visited the board a few months back, inquiring about some stamps a friend was trying to sell. I know NOTHING about stamps so please excuse the Newbie invasion.

This collection (hundreds of boxes and envelopes of stamps, most not even opened) orginiated from some place called FNI, Inc. In Texas, maybe? Anyway, here's the part that is confusing me:

My friend opens up one of these "treasured" envelopes to show me that his client/customer paid $75 back in 1987, and now they're "worth" $195 and prices like that. But this makes no sense to me because when I did an eBay search for one of 'em (Swedish-Finnish Tercentenary Issue, six 3 cent stamps) the item sells for around $10 or less. Is this FNI Inc place more like a book club for stamps and this price paid was speculative or something?

I'd appreciate any input because my friend thinks he's a millionaire now.. lol Thank you again.

~ Liberty
Posted by keleofa   ( 3610 ) on Nov-19-07 at 19:53:50 PST   Listings
Cannister,

It looks the same to me. What did they change?

Matt in Arizona
Posted by cannister6   ( 123 ) on Nov-19-07 at 19:38:50 PST   Listings
Does anyone have opinions about the new stamp format Ebay just started using today. Personally, I think it is cumbersome and time consuming. I wish they would go back to the previous format. Any comments?
Posted by chaswilly   ( 1670 ) on Nov-19-07 at 19:12:45 PST   Listings
NOIP, I know zilch about U.S., but I think there is merit to selling foreign (i.e. German area) when the Euro is rising against the dollar. I did so in the last few months and want to believe I came out OK. Still buying too, but it's way more costly now than a few years ago. Just have to know what and when and where and how much.
Posted by matthew1999   ( 176 ) on Nov-19-07 at 18:32:02 PST   Listings
lluehhhb,

Your translation is correct. Nothilfe = Emergency aid, amtliche = official. Presume the surplus was going to help the ten-year-old charity.

Mh
Posted by lluehhhb   ( 312 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:54:56 PST   Listings
Alec, Rainer or anyone else

I need help with the translation of this (300kb!) German stamps announcement.

It seems to be an official publicity by the German postal system. I'm right or not?

So far I have this translation but I'm unsure with some words. Any help will be very welcome.

-----

German Assistance (Charity?) 1923 - 1933 (what's the meaning of the 1923?)

Richard Wagner - welfare stamps 1933

official stamps(?) for franking all kind of mails

(illustrations and selling prices)

Booklet with 5 stamps of 4 Rpf, 5 stamps of 6 Rpf, 5 stamps of 8 Rpf, 4 stamps of 12 Rpf, Selling price 2 RM

Richard Wagner - Welfare postcard with printed stamp of 6 Rpf, Selling price 10 Rpf
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:47:11 PST   Listings
matt in Arizona
NICe
Posted by keleofa   ( 3610 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:34:34 PST   Listings
My lucky find of the day...

I received this today

1904 St. Louis Expo cancel, 'EXPOSITION STATION' posted to Brooklyn with a nice Brooklyn streetcar RPO receiver.

Just thought I'd share!



PS - Postalhysteria: Jeff, your cover is on the way.

Matt in Arizona

Posted by lluehhhb   ( 312 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:28:47 PST   Listings
Jim iomoon

Found another aerogramme with a volcano (Izalco in El Salvador) here.

Will be in the mail to your home soon.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8714 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:23:34 PST   Listings
NOIP,

I have always found then anyone who discusses value by mentioning catalog value instead of commercial value will always lose when it comes time to dispose of their holdings,

David B.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:23:22 PST   Listings
DEAR DOCTOR POSTCARDS

Yes I have 60 or 70,
Mostly different countries
4 different drugs I think.
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 493 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:19:04 PST   Listings
Due2: Yes that can happen.
One of the bests days of caring for my father when he was ill was when I got a huge lot from who knows where in the mail.
We would have contests to see who could get better box lots of stamps.
My face dropped when I saw it was all wallpaper junk. And more expensive than usual too. My father laughed for about 10 minutes.
I guess I had made a funny face in reaction to the lot.
That one though was worth every penny.

Posted by matthew1999   ( 176 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:18:16 PST   Listings
Jim, that wouldn't be the case, of course, for a foreign collector, who will not see his holdings increase in value if the rise in prices are ofset by a fall in the value of the dollar... Ishikawa famously lost money on his collection, even though the realizations were terrific, because he bought when a dollar cost 150 yen and sold when it was 110.

Mh
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:17:21 PST   Listings
DRAGONSTAMPS------In line to what you wrote about huge box of stamps .

Back in the early 1970's I started selling cigar boxes of worlwide stamps for $8.00 each and sold hundreds ,what I did was buy big lots at auction .Would remove the better stuff and get my money back selling thru mail order to buy more . This went on until the early 1990's by then the prices slowly climb up to $18.00 a box thru stamp ads in Linn's stamp newspaper .

Now into 2002,with the coming of e-bay ,thought I would put some cigar boxes up just to see how they would sell .The scans and bigger market place got those same cigar boxes up to $35.00 and as high as $50.00 each so my statement is even lower price material sells at a higher price if the marketing is done right ......paul

Posted by lluehhhb   ( 312 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:15:44 PST   Listings
Here is more info about the Abbott postcards
Posted by iomoon   ( 1055 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:15:38 PST   Listings
Brian

Tsk, tsk.

I enjoy collecting and researching volcano stamps and researching PVI's.
Neither is going to collect my descendants any money.
Well, maybe a couple of K's, if I don't sell beforehand.
Though I have no intention of so doing.
(Though death is unforefseeable, natural causes are not apparently awaiting me in the near future i.e. today).

I'm occasionally getting emails indicating stamps that I have missed in my catalog.
Usually because Scott's descriptions have been inadequate and they are too cheap to appear as individual auctions so I can't ascertain their appropriateness as to the subject matter.

So few of Richard's definition would fall in "best collectible material" ever appear in auction that I have little need to worry about vast expenditures.

In fact, the top ten pricewise volcano stamps that I do not have, I have not seen on any auction in the last 10 years.
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:14:44 PST   Listings
I should read the board before I post!!

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:11:10 PST   Listings
kchrist The decline of the dollar against foreign currencies should not affect your decision as to whether to hold onto your collection or sell it. First, the primary market for US material is the US, so the exchange rate wouldnt be relevant to the majority of interested parties. Second, if the value of the dollar goes down, whether from inflation, currency exchange or whatever, it will not hurt the value of your stamps. You are invested in a commodity, just like gold or platinum or diamonds. The value of stable commodities remains the same (generally), while currencies fluctuate against them.

To illustrate, if you have $1,000 worth of gold and over the course of a year the dollar declines by 10%, you end up with $1,100 worth of gold. You have neither gained nor lost money.

Personally I believe the market for high quality stamps and covers is strong, and if you can afford to hang onto your collection, provided it contains top-quality material, I believe it will increase substantially in value over the next few years, quite apart from whatever the dollar does.

Jim
Posted by matthew1999   ( 176 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:10:21 PST   Listings
kchrist, a failing economy and falling dollar don't mean that collectibles will go down, too. As I wrote in yesterday's Times, stamps and other collectibles are heating up. Better material will always be in demand among those whose wealth makes them immune to economic downturns.

Remember also, collecting is not an entirely rational enterprise -- so economic laws don't necessarily hold!

I don't know what your collection looks like, but I would say a Wall St. downturn by itself is a poor reason to unload something that makes you happy.

Due2 that Luxembourg postcard is a clever piece of advertising mail from Abbott Pharmaceuticals. John Hotchner wrote about them in Linn's a few months back. They would send out junk mail from exotic locations with preprinted text that looked like handwriting and refered to the location to make it seem more personal. I doubt the Norway cover is in the same category.

Mh
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:08:06 PST   Listings
Drangonstamps
This box of junk i got today
has been a learning experience.
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 493 ) on Nov-19-07 at 17:00:03 PST   Listings
It makes sense for investment purposes to buy better material. But you need to know enough about what you are buying so you don't get swindled.
If you don't worry about investment, or condition, there's nothing better than buying a big huge box of stamps.
I still enjoy digging through "trash".
Just know that the money spent is spent on enjoyment, not investment.

Can anyone easily imagine a stamp dealer pinning mint stamps to a board to display them for sale?
Condition didn't seem to matter as much in those days! I think it was done more for fun 100 years ago.
Posted by 1covers   ( 1369 ) on Nov-19-07 at 16:40:08 PST   Listings
Ken - The best collectible material will be a good hedge against inflation if historial precedents hold true in the future.

However, I fear from some small knowledge of your collecting habits, that the material you have purchased does not fall into the category of "best collectible material". At public auction, I suspect that your mistakes on ebay will bite into any possible ability to come out the other side whole.

So, I would advise you to begin selling your material in the same venue in which you purchased the material. This might mitigate the stamps having to pass the more stringent examination that an auction house would use in describing your material. You should steel yourself against the stroing likelihood that you will loose money.

Sorry to be be so blunt.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-19-07 at 16:35:58 PST   Listings
maybe HERE
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-19-07 at 16:33:15 PST   Listings
Brazil

REG Airmail

HEREBEAZIL
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-19-07 at 16:31:59 PST   Listings
Bjorn

It may have been Printed matter

Dear_DR

This card showsm he recieved that kinda thing and the envelope is oversize.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-19-07 at 16:25:26 PST   Listings
KCHRIST------Have to agree with THE BRIGUY , the value of your U.S. stamp holding is not effected by the overseas market.Since more dollars are printed each day its safe to say your value will not fall.

Looking around and seeing the problems of the financial markets ,its better to spent your money on something you enjoy and at the other end be able to get something back if not a little extra at the end .....paul

Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-19-07 at 16:18:29 PST   Listings
Bjorn

Here is back of that last card

CARD_over


and a censored from Salvador I like the Ovpt
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Nov-19-07 at 16:17:10 PST   Listings
Io Tsk tsk. All those years of living by a rational scientific method. Its sucked all the joy out of you, or in instance I detailed below, your potential after life snickers. Plotting to stiff greedy relatives with mutilated seconds, worth possibly all of 2% of catalog value, must not have crossed your mind. Try it, it can lead to a pleasant diversion as you patiently wait for new strata to form.

As for Mr Christ, this will not work with your quality stuff. I remember thinking about 20 years ago (when I was 20) in a completely narcissistic manner, that if I'd only wait....time will be on my side and I'll outlive all those old dudes who horde the real gems. Now those gems are many times more valued, having consistantly beaten inflation, and thus remain beyond me.

Quality always wins. As for the stamps, you need only ask one question.....do they bring you pleasure?....If so, you have your answer. Quality mint US is craved by people mainly in the US. My guess is the value of the dollar vs any other currency is meaningless for a US collection. The people who will stare at it longingly are mostly of the domestic variety.....
Posted by iomoon   ( 1055 ) on Nov-19-07 at 15:03:44 PST   Listings
kchrist

Ask yourself a few simple questions:

1) Do I like collecting stamps

2) Am I about to drop dead

3) If I am about to drop dead, do I want my descendants to inherit it.

4) If not, ....................
Posted by bjornmu   ( 952 ) on Nov-19-07 at 14:46:47 PST   Listings
Oh, and this would be either an overfranked ordinary letter (should have been 30 re) or a quintuple-weight (200-250g) printed matter.
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-19-07 at 14:45:35 PST   Listings
Roger -- roger, explanation is correct, I will send you images before posting!

Take your time. We're just at 100 Nm from intercepting the final fix.

All the best, Paolo
Posted by dbenson   ( 8714 ) on Nov-19-07 at 14:45:24 PST   Listings
bjorn, the machine cancel is US, applied when the cover was readdressed,

David B.
Posted by kchrist499   ( 1212 ) on Nov-19-07 at 14:44:28 PST   Listings
Hello, all!


Over the last ten years I have been building an all mint US collection from the first issues through the Nebr/Kansas overprints. It also includes all of the Airmails issued during that period.

The collection has recently surpassed the $100K CV.

Looking at the US economy present and future, I have a concern that the value of US collectibles will fall against the Euro and Aisian markets.

Any thoughts about the collectible market in general, and the US in particular?

Do I hold em or fold em?

Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-19-07 at 14:42:33 PST   Listings
Roger

Don't always tip yourhand

sometimes holding them is better.

Now if I had any interest in the 100 or so
South American (NO CHILE or Uruguay) covers
maybe it would be more interesting sort for
me.
I got 160 mailed things for 20 dollars

I have now picked out 20 that are worth more than a dollar
so i'm happy.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 952 ) on Nov-19-07 at 14:39:56 PST   Listings
Due, your last cover is not posted in Norway but in Murmansk near the Norwegian border in the far NW. The machine cancel I cannot read but it's not Norwegian as it has the year 1932 at the bottom. My guess (seeing what other items you had) is that this cover originates from Svalbard, most likely the Soviet coal mining settlement Pyramiden. Barentsburg wasn't opened until 1932.

The parcal tag from Troms is nice, perhaps $20 or so. But it's interesting to nte the sender's address: Longyearbyen, which is also the destination for the other tag. Does this have any cancels on the back?

If you plan to sell any of these, make sure to include the word Arctic in the title.
Posted by malolo   ( 866 ) on Nov-19-07 at 14:37:32 PST   Listings
Pro -
Let this be a lesson to you. Post complete front and back of covers. No more of this tiny little corner stuff with old stamps, we want to see the whole thing. LOL

Stamps, what are those?
Postal history - unique, valuable. What a difference!

Roger
Posted by malolo   ( 866 ) on Nov-19-07 at 14:33:40 PST   Listings
Paolo -
Looking at the time on the Board. I have 1/2 hour today before work ( I get off after midnight), but have all the next two days to view and study. Maybe best to post them tomorrow then we can discus them. OR, you can email them to me prior to posting, so I can see them first, then you post and I comment.

I'm like you, never a shortage of words. I'm becoming a legend at work for my ability to talk to any passenger about any topic, just to relieve the stress they may be feeling. I tell the other screeners to check out Stamp Chat, where one can post any opinion and within one hour get a 180 rejoiner. Talking to passengers is easy!@@! no matter their fluency in English.

Remember - water is a liquid and it can't go through a check point unless the container is less than 3oz or 100ml. Don't know about gum. LOL

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels
Posted by dbenson   ( 8714 ) on Nov-19-07 at 14:27:24 PST   Listings
Due, I will retract my statement about being extremely rare and change that to " most probably unique with that franking & usage ",

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8714 ) on Nov-19-07 at 14:18:38 PST   Listings
Due & Jy,

very nice cover and extremely rare,

it appears to be a ship letter which was placed into the post at Murmansk in Russia and then forwarded to Leningrad, presumably then by train to wherever it boarded a ship to the US possibly Hamburg,

David B.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-19-07 at 14:15:39 PST   Listings
Told you more confusing.
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-19-07 at 14:15:24 PST   Listings
Roger -- I have the images ready. Just waiting for your permission.
Paolo
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-19-07 at 14:08:43 PST   Listings
due2 I dont know the routes from Norway to the US. Seems very roundabout to go by way of Siberia though. The Norway cancel is December 27, 1931, and the Leningrad mark is January 2, 1932. D2 would know.

Jim
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-19-07 at 14:04:58 PST   Listings
JAYWILD
Thanks
now I'm even more confused Here is Front of cover with Leningrad on back.

Norge

Would that have trans-Siberia to America In Dec Jan Feb
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-19-07 at 13:44:06 PST   Listings
due2 The cancel is from LENINGRAD.

Jim
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-19-07 at 13:16:32 PST   Listings
Other side
and a cancel for Bjorn or mabe KE

Othersidecard_and_covercancel?
Posted by infla-alec   ( 561 ) on Nov-19-07 at 12:02:22 PST   Listings
Parcel Tags Very nice to see. Value wise no idea either. Must admit I thought all the European countries had an official form which had the franking applied and that went into post office archives. But obviously that was not the case.
If anyone has further information on how European countries applied and calculated inland and foreign parcel rates I'd be interested to know. More especially for any rates information from the period 1870-1930. That applies for any rates from any country worldwide.
I ask because there is a small group of parcel card specialist researchers in Europe currently trying to collate all this information.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8714 ) on Nov-19-07 at 11:52:58 PST   Listings
Pro, very nice Norwegian Parcel card, wait til Bjorn sees it. I wouldn't even hazard a guess what it would bring on Ebay but it will show you a nice profit,

David B.
Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Nov-19-07 at 11:48:09 PST   Listings
Paolo Relax. There are two kinds of philatelists in the world. Those who immediately ignore the wonderous engravings, and look at instead at the gum, ...apparently eager to hinge the damn things backwards -- so we can ALL enjoy what MNH gum looks like.

Then there are those "other" much maligned collectors. People who can spend hours gazing in silent wonderment, at the glorious hyper rarities which fate allowed to grace their path. Such people are happy to have things that look like they manifolded through a coffee machine - twice, juuuuuuuust to have them (thats my story anyway). I mean seriously, you don't think I'd actually plan on selling these incredible "investments", do you?. No way good sir, these mutilated seconds exist solely for my personal pleasure. A pleasure I intend to continue to enjoy from beyond the grave,...when they get bequeathed to the morbid vultures who populate my family, so they can look them up in catalogs, allow the currency signs to dance past their eyes for a while....until of course, they list them. roughly eight minutes later

Its gonna be sweet.....real sweet.
Ah ha ha ha ha!
:o)
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Nov-19-07 at 11:36:24 PST   Listings
NOIP

Got some more Junk today'

Great time in Webster Fla

while my regular postcard people where
not much new material

I did run into a lady who had my card from 3 years ago

she said I have been building you a box of olde mail
for a while you wanht it.
20$

I pay and fill a bag, boxes are hard to carry for long.
I get home and find some NEAT
Philatel;ic material

Like
Parcel_Tags_to_and_From_Norway

amd then JIMBO Check out this tiny Airmail
cover
and the scadta also

!st_I_Seen

oh and a nice pouch ,ail from Iran To Peru DC cancel.
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-19-07 at 07:54:40 PST   Listings
"Maybe I will fix it with a very tiny hinge strip along the left margin, so to avoid the gum crease degenerates into a tear?"
Done: just transformed a semi-classic MNH into a MLH LOL
I am much happier this way, so the crease doesn't show so much and I just intend to peruse/show just the front of the stamp, not its reverse.
With a deal of the printings of these ones, when no gum or used, due to the aniline ink which was water soluble, one never knows what the true colour is/was.
There often are found used (or unused no gum) copies which seem to show a total offset on reverse, also offered as such, i.e. an occasional variety, however this is moslty due to the transmigration of the water fugitive ink through the paper during the act of soaking the stamps.
The presence of the o.g., when decently preserved, is often a positive thing, and this can be said in general.

Paolo
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-19-07 at 07:07:54 PST   Listings
Err... sorry for typos! :-(
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-19-07 at 07:03:50 PST   Listings
Yabbadabadoo!!!
I just received this lot!
Just like I thought from image... fortunately the 5 c. of plate I are all MNH (with their varieties at the respective positions) and the 10 c. on top right IS the one with the Swiss shield retouched of plate II. I'd have wished this last was a no gum becuase the full original gum in this case has created one nasty crease. Maybe I will fix it with a very tiny hinge strip along the left margin, so to avoid the gum crease degenerates into a tear?
Anyhow, they all appear selected copies for constant varieties, just what I was looking/hoping for!
Poalo
Posted by jaywild   ( 1025 ) on Nov-19-07 at 06:50:23 PST   Listings
Danny (deh) Thanks for the Clipper rate info. I assume it must be listed somewhere in Beecher/Wawrukiewicz, but I havent found it yet. Can you cite a page for me?

Thanks again.

Jim
Posted by jimbo   ( 419 ) on Nov-19-07 at 06:41:51 PST   Listings
Rainer,
CYE.

jimbo
Posted by okbigguy   ( 930 ) on Nov-19-07 at 06:34:01 PST   Listings
Has anyone used HarvEx. I used Auction Auto Bidder for a while but now the program just does not work. Appreciate any feedback.
Posted by rvogt   ( 889 ) on Nov-19-07 at 06:08:20 PST   Listings
paperhistory: Thanks for this information.
Do you know where I can find out some more about the "Alcatraz" post office in San Francisco.
Any information or help is really welcome.
Thanks a lot
Roland
Posted by deh3   ( 1934 ) on Nov-19-07 at 06:02:35 PST   Listings
Jim (Jaywild),

The cover was sent via clipper ship airmail, which was 25 per quarter ounce, as opposed to regular airmail, which was 6 per half ounce. So, it is a correctly paid double-weight registered cover with maximum insurance.

Danny
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1429 ) on Nov-19-07 at 05:58:08 PST   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Jim L.


member
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1991 ) on Nov-19-07 at 05:39:18 PST   Listings
rvogt: I don't collect California but according the literature there was an "Alcatraz" post office in San Francisco County from 1874-1963.
Posted by 22028   ( 1666 ) on Nov-19-07 at 05:39:01 PST   Listings
I just read on the APS web site the the November issue had a article titled: A Business Postcard from Iraq by Charles A. Fricke. Rare 1933 business postcard from newly independent Iraq.
Can someone please send me a scan of the article? It will take a long time until my magazine is in my post box...
Posted by vonbag   ( 207 ) on Nov-19-07 at 05:36:11 PST   Listings
Good day/evening/night from grey Shoes!

Roger, I think I actually have a 22A (not a 22F, though) LOL
If you don't mind, I am preparing a visual comparison -- recto / verso -- of the two stamps (the one of yours and the other one).
Thanks for mentioning the interesting printing charcateristics and else!
I could not know that, because... I still need to do lots of reading and study on that issue... among else:

"Remember the thin papers are not a separate print run, but rejects pulled out by quality control and stored, then reintroduced to post offices during a period of stamp shortages starting in mid-1856."

I presume this is why I have seen them named as "Emergency Issue"?

NOIP: the postage stamp Roger acquired catalogues in Michel Euro 1000,00. The other one, according to description, catalogues Euro 150,00. From its margins, it appears to be a close to 100% value of catalogue value copy.

BBL, Paolo

Posted by stamps12345   ( 225 ) on Nov-19-07 at 05:23:26 PST   Listings
CHICAGO ---UPDATE This is a summary of this past weekend .There was both a major stamp auction and the CHICAGOPEX stamp show .

First the stamp show was a big success ,there was lots of people {all ages},the exhibits were very interesting with lots of Czech,Hungary,Polish and Russian exhibits also a awards literature section {even the TONGA PROV. ISSUES {2002-04} by Steven Zirinsky won a medal for his research report },looks like a lot of good research papers are being published ,the list is too long to post here but its a broad range of subjects .

The dealers at the show did a good amount of sales and many were happy. I spent time helping a dealer friend {he lost his way to the bathroom and stopped to visit friends } my sales numbers for the 45 minutes was impressive sold lots of annual album pages and stockbooks {blank new books of 8,16,32 pages }lots of little philatelic items were selling well like black trays,hinges and tongs .Over all was surprised how much of that stuff sells to older collectors .

Sat a while over by another friend who sells individual sets and stamps on black 102 cards out of red boxes and was interesting how many people came by with want list to go thru his red dealer boxes .It stuck me that he has to add hundreds of new cards and new material to his inventory each show because he sells hundreds of them each day .

My purchases were what I showed early with some item for my collection in the area of Austo-Hungarian Parcel Cards of the monarchy period 1867-1914 with transit markings to foreign offices {offices in the turkish empire}.

The stamp auction was mostly for collections and box lots and that type of material,nothing of interest for me but guess who was the biggest buyer ,it was Jay's favorite dealer ----N.Y.STAMPS, yes they were a huge buyer tons of boxes the more boxes the higher he bid ,he must of purchase a truck full of cartons .There were a lot of E-BAY sellers at this auction ,to sum it up the stuff sells and it sells well .Prices much higher than years past and much higher than the old days when you could buy boxes of material because no one else was buying it .

The old time collectors cry about the junk and wallpaper but it sells well in bulk and reselling it is profitable from what this weekend tells me ,only shame ,im still a buyer not interested in selling yet .......paul

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Posted by afeht   ( 1171 ) on Nov-19-07 at 03:44:31 PST   Listings
David,

Thank you, I will double-check all the stamps you have mentioned.
Posted by rvogt   ( 889 ) on Nov-19-07 at 03:01:29 PST   Listings
Hi,
does anyone knows something about an Alcatraz Cancellation. With Alcatraz I mean the Prison Island in the Bay of San Francisco?
Thanks
Roland
Posted by dbenson   ( 8714 ) on Nov-19-07 at 02:30:59 PST   Listings
Alex,

re the KEVII's.

These are my opinions regarding your classifications but without actually seeing (and feeling) I am not 100% certain that I am correct.

1902

1/2d. 215 & 216 transposed

1d. 219 & 222 are both 220

2d. 225 faded, 228 & 229 transposed

4d. 240 & 241 are both 240, 239 I am not sure of and would need a reference example to compare.

5d. 242a is canc. Feb. 1906 and must be 242

7d. 249a not Deep Gray Black, is 249

2s.6 261 & 262 transposed.


1911

1d. 272 & 273 transposed

1 1/2d. 287 & 288 transposed

5d. 294 is canc. 1905 therefore 242

6d. 295 is not Royal Purple most probably 297

9d. 306 is not Reddish Purple

10d. 310 is not Analine Pink

2s.6 315 is probably 261, year date should verify
317 is stained and colour affected.

Of course it may be a problem with my monitor with some of the shades,

David B.