eBay Chat: Stamps

Rainer,

OK, i won't. But I am so used to be able to edit posts that I feel embarrassed about typos and HTML code errors.

Posted by afeht ( 1166

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on Nov-18-07 at 22:39:29 PST

Matthew>/B>,

Double-fugitive purples and greens, I know! Still, if one collects used stamps, one must make an effort to find the brightest/deepest colors (and with a nice postmark on top of it if possible) -- which is clearly a challenge when it comes to Jubilee set and EdVII issues.

The only difficulty with having all these shades in MLH condition is money. But spending so much just to have a reference set for comparison, in order to put together a used set? Well... [scratching my head and thinking of my wife's face].

I've seen and sold mint EVII stamps many times, so I have a good idea about purples and greens. Most of my current used copies are very close if a bit faded. Three or four aren't good enough but I'll find them...

Cannot stay in a big city more than a few days: I begin to feel depressed, even sick. Not in every big city, Paris and St. Petersburg don't affect me so much, but New York, London and Moscow certainly do. So, when go to Moscow and stop over in London, it is a very short stay -- I need to arrive into Moscow still in a functioning state. But I will make an effort next time to see the Windsor collection, and to look into Gibbons' shop.

P.S. Didn't expect modern France to sell that high. I'd rather expect the other, classic French lot to attract more interest, because it contains a 4-margined #2 that I bought from notorious Apfelbaum years ago. But there are no bidders.

Posted by matthew1999 ( 176

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on Nov-18-07 at 20:11:35 PST

Alex,

I've always had the strong feeling the GB colour guide is intended for Machins, not KEVII.

Looking at your scans, you have made a valiant effort to identify the colours but you are hampered by two things: first, all used stamps have been soaked in water at some point, and all the green and violet inks were specially constituted to be doubly fugitive (i.e. fade in either water or solvent). Second, you are lacking other colour-identified stamps to compare them to. Forget literature - you need stamps! If you ever get to London, go visit SG's shop in the Strand. Best way to learn colours.

I have dozens of used stamps of that series (bought cheaply in bulk when I lived in Prague) whose shades I am unable to identify for those two reasons.

BTW, years ago I made up a concordance of Scott, SG and Michel numbers for QV. Sometime in the near future I will add KEVII and if you like, I can send you a copy.

PS. Congrats on the France collection that went for $260. It looks nice. I forgot to raise my bid near the end :-(

Mh

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

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on Nov-18-07 at 20:07:27 PST

Alex, for goodness sake, to not complain about not having a WYSIWYG editor here, otherwise we end up like the ebay Germany board which was implemented into the useless "so called" community family...
BTW: The alternative ebay.de cafe is found here:
http://www.briefmarkencafe.de

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

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on Nov-18-07 at 20:02:28 PST

Yesterday I posted here on the board that the Tibet collection:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250176681571
Had only 3 hours to run, it had already bid up to over $ 500 and ebay took no action till then despite my severla reminders since there is nothing genuine in the collection...
Today morning i noted that the coeltion has gone.., thanks ebay.
Now I am waiting as usual for the negative voting form the seller on my Tibet guides...
http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/22028_W0QQuqtZg

Posted by peterc8888 ( 362

) on Nov-18-07 at 20:00:00 PST

Linda

Thanks. I guess you're right.

PC

Posted by mini*lindy ( 520

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on Nov-18-07 at 19:55:11 PST

PeterC88 my guess is his $78 bid didnt reach the reserve and his $100 did.

Linda

Posted by afeht ( 1166

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on Nov-18-07 at 19:54:05 PST

David,

Yes, I also think it's a reprint. Paper is wrong, color is suspicious, margins too wide. But all the details of the design are correct -- so, presumably, the original die was used.

Thank you.

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

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on Nov-18-07 at 19:52:36 PST

Alex,

http://cgi.ebay.com/Argentina-Buenos-Aires-Reprints_W0QQitemZ200174042028QQihZ010QQcategoryZ695QQcmdZViewItem

be back in about 2 hours,

David B

Posted by afeht ( 1166

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on Nov-18-07 at 19:50:42 PST

David,

Re: washed-out 2d. Yes, I know. It's supposed to be yellowish green but I still couldn't find a brighter one (without some kind of smudge instead of a cancel) among 70 or so copies. I always keep looking.

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

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on Nov-18-07 at 19:49:54 PST

Alex,

just reread your post and noticed you stated yours is perf. 12 1/2. I think I read somewhere years ago that the perf. 12 1/2 is a forgery.

Sorry about the rushed answer before but I have just come back from shopping, allowing 10 minutes at home then I have to go out again for a few hours,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

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on Nov-18-07 at 19:46:12 PST

Alex, by the colour, the paper, the impression and I have seen them in large blocks and they are nothing like the originals. The originals are all on poor quality paper whilst the reprints are on a much thicker fine wove paper,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

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on Nov-18-07 at 19:44:20 PST

Alex,

re the Finland Red Cross, Gibbons mentions the remainder stocks were perf. 13 1/2 and presumably has had a fake cancel applied,

David B.

Posted by afeht ( 1166

)

on Nov-18-07 at 19:43:30 PST

David,

How do you know this Buenos Aires is a reprint? By what indications?

Posted by afeht ( 1166

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on Nov-18-07 at 19:42:20 PST

God, this board's interface is ancient! eBay could afford to upgrade to nested threads and WYSYWIG HTML, as in their item descriptions.

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

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on Nov-18-07 at 19:42:13 PST

Alex,

the Buenos Ayres is a much later reprint.

I had a look at the KEVII's and will have a closer look later when I have more time.

I noticed the 1st. 2d. has been water affected and the colour has been changed. I can't explain the deep 1/2d. but I suspect that it may have also been affected by something.

David B.

Posted by afeht ( 1166

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on Nov-18-07 at 19:39:44 PST

wrd3>/B

Exactly. Description in The Album Weeds is a bit more detailed than by Serrane (I have it, too, and in original two volumes!), but in both cases everything seems to conform except the margins. What prevents me, then, from narrowing the margins and proclaiming it a genuine fake?

Posted by peterc8888 ( 362

) on Nov-18-07 at 19:36:47 PST

Can someone explain to me what happens to this bid?

PC

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

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on Nov-18-07 at 18:35:18 PST

NOIP I�ve been trying to figure this rate out, but can�t. First of all, I don�t see how it could be insured without being registered, at that rate. (Insurance by itself only covered up to $200 value, at a maximum cost of 35�.) Airmail at the time seems to have been 6�, and registration maxed out at $1, for up to $1,000 coverage. So what was the extra 44� for?

Even more disturbing is that there appears to have been something removed at top left, which renders the cover unappetizing to me.

Jim

Posted by wrd3 ( 100

) on Nov-18-07 at 18:30:20 PST

afeht according to The Serrane Guide, "The stamp margins are always very narrow; only 1/2 to 3/4 mm between stamps." Your stamp looks to have margins that are too large. It does appear to conform to th eother 6 identification keys listed in the book.

Bill D.

Posted by afeht ( 1165

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on Nov-18-07 at 18:16:23 PST

Re: Buenos Aires stamp

I carefully compared this stamp with descriptions in Album Weeds, and cannot find anything wrong with it. However, it just "feels" like a fake.

Could anybody tell me if this is a fake, and if it is, why?

Posted by afeht ( 1165

)

on Nov-18-07 at 18:10:36 PST

Re: First semi-postal stamp of Finland (Red Cross)

Here's a bit of a conundrum.

All catalogs (Scott, Facit, etc.) list a normal stamp perforated 14, and a later-issued variety perforated 13x13-1/2.

I haven't come across a 13x13-1/2 stamp yet but this one is perforated 12-1/2 all around. It appears to be genuinely used. Normal stamp is on the left.

Does anybody know, what do I have here?

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

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on Nov-18-07 at 17:24:23 PST

NOIP� Rats. A very unusual item, overseas surface rate between 2 and 3 ounces, non-philatelic. (5� first ounce, 3� for 1-2 oz, 3� for 2-3.) Never seen one of these before.

Jim

Posted by afeht ( 1165

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on Nov-18-07 at 16:35:01 PST

Oh, and that "magenta on chalked paper" is to the right from SG 297 on the second-to-last page (if you have a narrow screen, you might want to scroll to the right).

There is also a very strange blue shade of 1/2p on the right side of the third row on the 1st page. I couldn't identify it. It may be a color changeling but doesn't look faded or smudged in any respect.

Please take into account that I've been sorting these for 30 years, and that every stamp on this scan is just "the most representative IMO" of dozens (sometimes hundreds) of the same-shade copies.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Posted by afeht ( 1165

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on Nov-18-07 at 16:23:16 PST

To all:

Yes, thank you, of course I have Gibbons 4 Kings. I also have Gibbons Color Guide. The problem is, I am not sure I identify these shades correctly; having a catalog doesn't help much. I feel that only having a reference collection to compare would help in some cases.

Posted by afeht ( 1165

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on Nov-18-07 at 16:19:58 PST

Re: EDWARD VII SHADES

Here is a scan of my EVII shades, one of each (after sorting out hundreds of duplicates): EDWARD VII SHADES

They are placed by SG Concise numbers, with Scott numbers referenced (I decided not to go by Michel Grossbritanien Spezial, because incompatibilities between 3 catalogs become too complicated).

I don't know how colors would reflect on various screens but please, if you know, tell me where I am wrong and why. I am a bit confused about these stamps.

Posted by iomoon ( 1055

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on Nov-18-07 at 15:59:08 PST

Afeht

Gibbons 4 Kings:

M31 6d purple on ordinary paper. De La Rue
M32 6d purple on chalk-surfaced paper
M33 6d purple on ordinary paper. Somerset House
M34(1) 6d dull purple on Dickinson-coated paper
M34(2) 6d dull reddish purple on Dickinson-coated paper
M35 6d bright magenta on chalky paper
M36 6d deep plum on chalky paper

M35 is the one to go for.
Only in use for one day, uncatalogued as used.
Fluoresces as well.

Posted by malolo ( 865

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on Nov-18-07 at 15:52:08 PST

Paolo -
Good research. );>)

It is a Bern printing, the heavy filled in lines on the neck and shoulders are the primary characteristics, plus the dullbrown color, characteristic of the thin paper. All thin paper colors are dull copies of the Bern printing because the pressure of the press didn't force the ink into the paper, AND THE EMBOSSING IS NON-Existant. If you look at the seller's other auctions, you will see a 40 centimes Munich printing showing excellent embossing. Even though it is thin paper, it is not as thin as the thin Bern paper. Remember the thin papers are not a separate print run, but rejects pulled out by quality control and stored, then reintroduced to post offices during a period of stamp shortages starting in mid-1856.

It will go to Switzerland for a certificate, which I hope it will get.

Roger.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 654

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on Nov-18-07 at 15:50:48 PST

I'M OUTTA HERE!
After 8 years I finally realize you guys are way to far above me.

Posted by knuden ( 2396

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on Nov-18-07 at 15:44:24 PST

Peace - Booklet with stamps issued in remembrance of the liberation of Denmark May 5, 1945. The stamps shows a blackout curtain, which are been teared down an candles in a window (we put candels in all our windows May 5 each year.)
The designer of the stamps is our Queen Margrethe II.
Peace - Front of the booklet showing the armband the Danish members of the liberation movement wore just after the liberation.
I lost an uncle during the war - he was captured by the nazis, tortured and later shot.

K.E

I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

Posted by bjornmu ( 951

) on Nov-18-07 at 15:40:54 PST

I don't remember who complained here about the unhelpul subject of the eBay end-of-auction emails "You won on eBay!".

I guess there were some complaints, so now the item title and # are again in the Subject of the emails! :-)

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

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on Nov-18-07 at 15:09:17 PST

Paul, for some reason I cannot open your scan.

Alex, do you have Gibbons Four Kings catalogue, it is much more detailed than the others,

David B.

Posted by vonbag ( 207

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on Nov-18-07 at 15:06:38 PST

For something different, I took out one of those difficult stamps of mine, and did some further research with the help of my Italian friends here:
http://forum.filateliaefrancobolli.it/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1683

This stamp has a peculiar "history": first judged fake cancel by one of the best experts there are, was later seen by other cultors of Tuscany cancels who moved me to do some deeper research. Even though it bears a photocertificate, and I have the feel the cancel is genuine (for comparison with others of the same type : still didn't find one of SEP 1861, leaving alone the day 30)
I am not yet sure of genuinity.
Will see if some other names I have in mind will say theirs on that matter (eventually with an example).

Paolo

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

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on Nov-18-07 at 14:57:52 PST

paul, could you show scans of both covers, both sides. I would presume that " overland mail " & " overland route " are the same but different terminologies.

Alex, a scan would help although colours of the 6d. can be very tricky, especially used,

David B.

Posted by vonbag ( 207

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on Nov-18-07 at 14:56:49 PST

P.S. Roger,
if it wouldn't be that, a 22F rather than an 22A, even though the grey component seems to be predominant, it certainly remains a nice looking copy, lightly cancelled with blue lozenge of lines, which makes it more desirable?
I still have to study the Strubel Issue, as I got swamped somewhere with postage due stamps ;-)
Numbers above are from Zumstein Spezial...

[between abundant brackets: I wonder when they will organize this catalogue a little better, with clearer descriptions, colours photographs, following the line of Michel and the other Zumstein simplified, that besides being of help in a quick search, are also very attractive for newbies, and a little less typos so to render the Errata Corrige at the end of Volume II a little less thick (I have the 2000 edition).]

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 14:54:23 PST

SCAN FOR DAVID

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 14:52:51 PST

DAVID B. ----Not sure of the final destination,but its back stamped in a circlaur date stamp Beruit 23-6-24 .

Whats it telling me is that the government was using the Overland Mail and the back of the other cover is telling me the foreign consulates were using the Overland Route ....maybe

Posted by afeht ( 1165

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on Nov-18-07 at 14:47:06 PST

Re: GB EVII 6d deep plum shade (Somerset House printing)

Both SG Concise and Specialized list this shade as on "chalked paper." Scott Classic lists this shade under "Ordinary Paper" section.

Am I to believe Gibbons, not Scott? If so, why do I have a copy that is most probably of "deep plum" shade, based on the color samples in Stanley Gibbons Stamp Guide, but on ordinary paper? Can it be that SG is in error?

Also, I have magenta EVII on chalked paper, used in August 1911. which is impossible according to both catalogs: both list magenta as mint only (non-issued), and it has been printed in 1913. Probably what I have is a wash-out, though it looks pretty bright and sharp.

I admit these Edward VII shades are difficult. Probably even more difficult than Germania 1905-1923 shades. At least Michel Color Guide is systematic and detailed enough to be helpful. Cannot say the same about SG's guide. (Heil Farbenf�hrer!)

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 14:40:12 PST

yea,will sleep tonight .Let me scan the other

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

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on Nov-18-07 at 14:37:35 PST

Paul, you haven't lost anything, the Switzerland to Texas is worth at least $3.50 and the Iraq cover was a good buy at $10 even though it is after the period that Ranier collects. It has good franking and a better cancel and you neglected to mention or show the German Consular marking on it, feel better now,

David B.

Posted by vonbag ( 207

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on Nov-18-07 at 14:35:38 PST

Roger,
Probably because it's not a Munich printing!
It looks like a printing of 1856 (Bern) 'emergency' on thin paper (seidenpapier) and green silk thread on thin paper!
1. closely spaced stamps (- yours was a top sheet margin copy, and still bears portion of it -);
2. colour is more on the grey brown rather than orange brown (Munich)...
Nice catch, if so!!!

Paolo

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

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on Nov-18-07 at 14:35:09 PST

Paulk, just show it, I can't wait til next week, the suspense is killing me,

David B.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 14:31:32 PST

DAVID B. -----Wait until I can get it translated during the week but depress over the great lost to my stamp budget .

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

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on Nov-18-07 at 14:27:02 PST

Paul, waiting for the scan of th last cover, the one that has some Arabic markings,

David B.

Posted by infla-alec ( 561

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on Nov-18-07 at 14:26:14 PST

Oh well sometimes the answers come from two minds thinking alike at the same time. Still at least you now know the answer Rich.
How such commercial rates were applied I do not know but as Bjorn correctly stated it was a reduced special rate. Wether that applied to Inland mail only or was applicable to Foreign mail or even both I don't know.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 14:21:27 PST

RICH-----O.T. on czech stamps are for newspapers so its a newspaper stamp

Posted by infla-alec ( 561

)

on Nov-18-07 at 14:20:53 PST

Rich The Czech OT overprint stands for "O"bchodni "T"iskovina meaning commercial printed matter. It is found on Newspaper stamps from 1934.

Posted by bjornmu ( 951

) on Nov-18-07 at 14:20:05 PST

Rich, it's not an airmail stamp, it's a newspaper stamp from 1918/19 overprinted O.T. in 1934. Michel says something about "reduced postal rates for commercial printed matter". It doesn't say what the O and the T stand for.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 14:13:02 PST

DAVID B. ----Im depressed over the other two covers ,one was the wrong time period{cost $10.00} and the other was over-priced at $3.50 as told me on this board ,now im too depress to open the auction lots I purchased for $15,000.00 ,can't get over loseing $3.50 on the Swiss razor cancel .I may not sleep tonight .

Posted by richintalent ( 147

)

on Nov-18-07 at 14:05:51 PST

In a recent packet of stamps I came across what I suppose to be an old Czech airmail stamp [line drawing of a bird with 'POSTA CESKO SLOVENSKO' around the margin]. What made this stand out is an 'OT' overprint. What was this and what did the 'OT' stand for? as for me i'll be facing another Thanksgiving alone. 'Now is the winter of our discontent.' [Richard III]

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 13:49:55 PST

MITCH-----I think you were out for recess when the school discussed the reason for THANKSGIVING ---------It a thanks to the Almight {the one who deals out the cards--remember} not some feel good holiday

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 13:36:53 PST

PIECE on this chat board

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-18-07 at 13:34:42 PST

Paolo (or anyone else who wants to try) -

Why did I buy this stamp? )'>)

Roger

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-18-07 at 13:29:54 PST

Aloha -
It's highly unlikely the Swiss population in general knew the bankers were holding so much monies collected by Nazis and deposited in the banks. I think it unlikely most Americans know the international investment portfolios of major US banks, or where these billions of deposits originate. Did anyone think of oil producing countries? Loans for armaments, etc, is a profitable business to countries which feel the need to "defend" themselves. !

Let's add a human aspect of Swiss treatment of POW's, especially officers. French POW's, of 1870, and Allied POW's of WWI were granted "freedom" to stay unconfined on their word of honor that they wouldn't try to escape Switzerland. This can be documented in Swiss postal history. The POW's who remained confined to their housing, small hotels or guest houses, were provided free mail priviledges, those officers, etc, who were "free" did not, and had to pay postage for all their letters.

Geneva was Red Cross headquarters where volunteers kept the lists, tabulated information, and directed mail to the POW camps built by the antogonists. POW's of each side recieved mail because Swiss people helped keep a line of communication open.

Roger

Posted by afeht ( 1165

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on Nov-18-07 at 12:45:47 PST

Interesting! I didn't see that message by smudger_the_ink while preparing mine. Parallel thinking.

Posted by afeht ( 1165

)

on Nov-18-07 at 12:43:47 PST

Re: 1945 Peace set shown by antonius-ra

One cannot help but notice that the Swiss. having been spared most of the WWII atrocities, could enjoy peace in more comfort than other nations, especially after quietly peculating all that Jewish money and gold deposited in their banks by the National Socialists.

Pax vobiscum!

Posted by smudger_the_ink ( 1 ) on Nov-18-07 at 12:41:47 PST

antonius-ra Mitchell, I find it incredible that you would post an image of stamps from Switzerland issued just after WWII and highlight the Peace aspect of these stamps.

Of the many people on this board I regard you as one of the more enlightened regarding European history and especially Switzerlands attitude to Germany during the 1930's and during WWII.

For years after the end of the war Switzerlands banks refused to open up their books to show where stolen Nazi loot was and for years after the end of the war they refused to recognise deposits made by people fleeing Nazi Germany.

The one country that should live in eternal shame for what it has done.

Larry

Posted by smudger_the_ink ( 1 ) on Nov-18-07 at 12:32:23 PST

Testing

Posted by afeht ( 1165

)

on Nov-18-07 at 12:21:26 PST

Mitchell,

I am all for peace and positive thinking. But I hope being peaceful doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything other people assume as 100% true.

For example, as much as I like Lincoln as a person, and as much as I understand all the grievous shortcomings of the South, Lincoln's Gettysburg Address won't scour with me. Can't join the Fawning Choir -- sorry!

IMO, the South should have been left alone, and allowed to go it's own way -- provided any people wanting to relocate to the North, including blacks, would be permitted to do so. That would be fair and just, and would save thousands of brave lives. No, I cannot agree with Sly Old Abe.

Moreover, "government of the people, by the people, for the people," if it ever existed, has long perished from the Earth. It's the "government of the government, by the government, for the government" now.

Having said this, I still give thanks to America for saving my life and accepting me as I am, without forcing me to say or to do anything against my conscience. It is still the freest country in the world, comparatively. And one still can lead a decent life here without dissembling or playing spaniel, though independence is becoming more and more expensive every day.

Therefore -- though there is probably no God -- God bless America!

Posted by bjornmu ( 951

) on Nov-18-07 at 12:21:12 PST

Stamps in the news: the K�nigsberg letter, franked with a 7-strip, a 4-block and a single of Norway #1, was just sold for NOK 2.7 million ($500,000).

48sk was the double-weight rate for zone 3 for letters going via ship to Hamburg during the summer season.

Posted by keleofa ( 3604

)

on Nov-18-07 at 12:20:00 PST

PEACE

Matt in Arizona

Posted by keleofa ( 3604

)

on Nov-18-07 at 12:08:20 PST

Sprite,

A grill is a small screen (like a waffle iron) pressed into the stamp paper. It is usually very obvious. Hold the stamp at an angle to the light.

Matt in Arizona

Posted by sprite.336 ( 32

) on Nov-18-07 at 12:00:03 PST

what is a grill, is it a water mark im new at this lol
someone please help

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-18-07 at 11:45:09 PST

OOPS View for Jaywild there in that scan too

oct 5 1900

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-18-07 at 11:42:50 PST

Roger
I see many different countries in this time period
any just regualar uses you are looking for

I got this Mexico for the RPO mark

Indiscint

Mexico had some like this but I did not run into good ones this batch....Clear strikes are a challenge

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-18-07 at 11:03:48 PST

Iomoon� Thank you for posting that. At the time, Lincoln truly felt his speech would never be remembered. As he sat down after delivering it, to a smattering of applause, he turned to his old political friend Ward Lamon and said �That speech won�t scour.� (An allusion to the utility of a plow�a plow that won�t scour will get caked in mud and soon be useless.) One Chicago newspaper sniffed that the speech was �dish-watery�.

It was left to posterity to understand and appreciate the sublime beauty of those words.

Jim

Posted by antonius-ra ( 654

)

on Nov-18-07 at 11:00:25 PST

E U S C
Ebay Users Stamp Club Meeting

Announcement

The EUSC meeting for November 2007 will commence at 12:00 Midnight (ebay time) November 23rd and end midnight November 25th. The meetings topic will focus on Revenue stamps of the world. This will also include proprietary, hunting etc.
Basically any stamps that were used to pay taxes and or fees (other than mail transport).
Members are invited and encouraged to share their revenue stamps and any related items and knowledge.

Happy Stampin,

Mitchell aka Antonius Ra

President EUSC

Posted by hi-r-luv ( 1203

) on Nov-18-07 at 10:57:58 PST

iomoon,
On his way to give that speech, Lincoln's train stopped in my home town and addressed the crowd. Unfortunately what he said there was not recorded but the Gettysburg Address is one for the ages.

See, I'm not that bad.

Larry

Posted by iomoon ( 1055

)

on Nov-18-07 at 10:51:19 PST

Seeing as I cannot vote in the US and would prefer not to continue this political thread, I note tomorrow is the 144th anniversary of one of the most eloquent speeches ever uttered on American soil.

It consists of but 10 sentences and 272 words.

" Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate�we can not consecrate�we can not hallow�this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us � that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion � that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain � that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom � and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. "

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-18-07 at 10:48:26 PST

due2cents -
Funchal is a G�ller, I'm 99.9% certain, but havven't seen it in the proof books to confirm. Portugal and colonies go back to early 1880's with Swiss manufacturer.

Roger

Posted by infla-alec ( 561

)

on Nov-18-07 at 10:29:04 PST

Due 80Pf single franking from that date is the correct rate for a foreign postcard. Can you tell if the stamp is with cross on crown or without ? The stamp is also known in two colours but that I'm afraid is way outside my area of knowledge. Plus defining colours from scans is virtually impossible.

Afeht I am aware of what you collect. I was simply asking that perpaps you may wish to show some of your material here. Stamps worldwide pre 1940 I think is very interesting for many. Ok many of us may not collect it but it is always nice to see.
I also have no intention of getting involved in any political debates here or anywhere else for that matter.
I for one am more than happy to see both Rainer and Knud continue posting here. Both are very serious philatelists and over the years have shared many of their collecting interests here. That is something I wish everyone would do more often.

This board has already lost one very experienced philatelist namely "Deckelmouk". I dread to think how many others have seeing petty squabbles, decided not to participate here also.

Already ebay has closed down many of the other boards, ( just like this one) from other ebay sites worldwide and the way things are going here it won't be too long before they change things here also to their new so called "community chat" style set up. I'd hope that doesn't happen but sadly I feel it is only a matter of time before it does. Luckily enough the German ebay group of regular posters have managed to set up their own stamp Cafe. Yes it is used more as a chat board than a message board but at least there you very rarely see personal attacks, or political statements being made.

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-18-07 at 10:28:34 PST

Here are three more
interesting uses

Plate Number Single Nice

Funchal Perfin neat

Mexico 2 types of Overprint

TRIO_O_PHUN

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

)

on Nov-18-07 at 10:26:13 PST

Paul, presumably also badly written Postmaster and not Port Master,

David B.

Posted by stamphick! ( 338

) on Nov-18-07 at 10:22:15 PST

hi-r-luv...I wasn't referring to that but to your can opener remark which caused a big media brouhaha some time ago.

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-18-07 at 10:10:51 PST

D2� You are correct, a S�tterlin/European style �W� in New Braunfels. The Spanish word for new is �nuevo� (masculine) or �nueva� (feminine).

Jim

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

)

on Nov-18-07 at 10:05:10 PST

Paul, it looks like a badly written W in NEW.

Could I see a full scan of the lower cover in your trio of covers,

David B.

Posted by hi-r-luv ( 1203

) on Nov-18-07 at 10:05:02 PST

Hey, just being a PATRIOT.

BTW, I didn't say it was my idea, but I almost rear ended the car in front of me when I first saw it.

Larry

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-18-07 at 09:56:24 PST

Yep folks, it�s Ugly American Day on the chatboard again. Might as well find something useful to do until the blowhards blow away�

Jim

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-18-07 at 09:47:41 PST

Stamp Hick

I saw it on a BUMPER yesterday.

JAYWLD maybe reading this book.
1941

or this one
ART

ALEX Cancel in THISLINK

I just bought a bunch of Germany stuff, But alas not to much Infla.......

Posted by stamphick! ( 338

) on Nov-18-07 at 09:37:37 PST

hi-r-luv...It's not nice to steal someone else's line and claim it as your own.

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Nov-18-07 at 09:36:30 PST

Here we go again.....

Posted by afeht ( 1165

)

on Nov-18-07 at 09:24:01 PST

Infla-alec:

Admonitions, admonitions... If Rainer, Knud & Co. wouldn't assume that everybody and his dog must share their European tunnel vision of the world, political discussion wouldn't even arise here.

As to the stamps, I have explained my collecting interests twice already. As soon as I see anything I can help with or that really interests me stamp-wise, I contribute my 2 kopecks, don't you worry.

hi-r-luv:

Yeah, you do that. Because if you'd force somebody else to buy a can opener for your parents, that would be a robbery, wouldn't it? (even if it were written in the law)

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-18-07 at 09:06:01 PST

Paul� I can�t resist�

In your touching story about your poker game with God, he pulled five aces out of that pack of cards.

Good health�one ace.
Good wife�second ace.
Good kids�third ace.
Good job�fourth ace.
Enviable stamp collection�fifth ace.

So either God was playing with a funky deck or he just said he was God and you believed him.

Jim

Posted by hi-r-luv ( 1203

) on Nov-18-07 at 09:00:44 PST

I have been catching up on the postings this morning and I'm so glad I did. You have given me a great gift idea for my elderly fixed income parents... a new can opener (to open their dog food)

Remember LIFE'S A B*TCH (DON'T VOTE FOR ONE)

Posted by jimbo ( 417

)

on Nov-18-07 at 08:51:46 PST

NOIP,
Congratulations to our friend matthew1999 who has an article in the NYTimes today:Values on Rise for Rare Collectibles (free registration required). He notes the fabulous realization of the C3a sold this past week by Siegel Auctions.

jimbo

Posted by infla-alec ( 561

)

on Nov-18-07 at 08:46:25 PST

Due2 Sorry no I didn't see it & can't find it.Either I'm tired or going blind :-) Can you please post the link again ?

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-18-07 at 08:41:43 PST

INFLA-A

Did you notice my 80pf
to US solo use card below

Posted by infla-alec ( 561

)

on Nov-18-07 at 08:34:19 PST

Gordo Just above the yellow box a few messages down it tells you how to post an image here as a link. If you still don't know how or are having difficulty please say so here and someone will I'm sure be able to help.
Or contact me via ebay and I will give you my e-mail address where you can send the scan to and I will upload the image and post it here for you.

Posted by infla-alec ( 561

)

on Nov-18-07 at 08:23:13 PST

Gordo It might help get a response if you could scan and show an image of the item you are asking about.

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-18-07 at 08:19:48 PST

infla-alec, thanks. The cover is of lesser interest because the route instruction is only a manuscript (typewriter) marking and secondly, the cover is from the late period where no overland mail surcharge was required. On 7. March 1929 all overland mail surcharges were abolished.

Posted by gordosauctions ( 2143

) on Nov-18-07 at 08:18:20 PST

Hello all! This is my first visit. I need some advice. I have a sheet of 10-10 cent stamps. They each feature the work of a famous artist i.e. Raphael,Donne,Liotard. The set is framed & is numbered with an autograph underneath. Does anyone have any ideas?? Thanks, gordo

Posted by infla-alec ( 561

)

on Nov-18-07 at 08:03:29 PST

Rainer The overland cover of Paul is below in an earlier post. But to save you searching here it is again. Though I think you would want to see a scan of that cover by itself.

Alex Besides making political comments how about showing some of your collecting interests ? You don't need to say much about anything you show if you don't want to. But as you can see discussing politics on a stamp board doesn't go down to well.

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-18-07 at 07:57:13 PST

This Tibet collection I had reported several times but no action was taken.., only 3 hours to go...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250176681571
There is nothing genuine in the collection...

Posted by severnstampco ( 72

) on Nov-18-07 at 07:54:50 PST

watermarked (Bert), meostamps (Mike):

Thank you for your input! I have heard of that book being mentioned Bert since my question stumped my favorite local dealer. I was told to find that book indeed by him.

Again, I try to find correctly franked KGV Silver Jubilee covers to study the various marking to get a liberal education. Still trying to find out what the differences/similarities are between Annex, Station, branch, substations ...

All in all, thank you Bert and Mike! Jeffry

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-18-07 at 07:53:51 PST

stamps12345, could you please show a scan of the German Consulate cover transported by the Overland Mail you had bought?

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-18-07 at 07:50:47 PST

12345

you said 3 fitty

i figured that was too much >
for the wrapper

Posted by watermarked ( 730

) on Nov-18-07 at 07:11:37 PST

Mike in NYC

Since the Church Street Annex opened 10/4/1937 and the City Hall Annex closed 10/3/1937 I guess it would be safe to say it was built to replace the City Hall Annex. On 9/1/1945 the Church Street Annex became the Church Street Station. Some day I may learn the difference between Annex, Station, Branch, Sub station etc. In case you were wondering the information about the City Hall/Church Street Annex is from
"New York Postal History: The Post offices and First postmasters from 1775 to 1980" by John L. Kay and Chester M. Smith, Jr.

Bert A.

Posted by afeht ( 1165

)

on Nov-18-07 at 07:06:11 PST

Richard,

No, never heard of The Cultures of Collecting: there are so many books around these days, it's difficult to find good stuff. Will look for it on abebooks, thank you.

There are many libertarian socialists in America ("Democrat" is just a local slang for "socialist"). The U.S. is becoming more and more like Europe lately, which doesn't please me at all. Emigration to Mars is still too expensive.

stamps12345:

I always suspected God was a card cheat.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 06:53:08 PST

DUE----?????

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 06:52:01 PST

wife says not spanish word ---NEVO

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-18-07 at 06:49:31 PST

.

SALZBURG-43

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-18-07 at 06:47:11 PST

STAMPS12345
Probably too much..:-}

BJORN
Thanks for looking at it
NICE strike is why i got it.
I have some Memel elated material.

KE
http://usera.imagecave.com/Prometheus/scan0032.jpg">1943-Salzburg

Avaition

NEAT-BOOKS

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 06:44:08 PST

ROGER-------Its more of a Texas historical item than a Swiss cancel .Its to the Port Master of Nevo Braunfels {spanish} now changed to New Braunfels Texas on the Guadaulpe River .Looks like a German name town with a Germanic name port master . Maybe a interesting story behind it ....paul------no history buff

Posted by meostamps ( 99

) on Nov-18-07 at 06:10:00 PST

Bert..Thanks for the correction. Wonder if the Church St office was built to replace the City Hall one? City Hall area is about 5 blocks or so north of the Church St PO. Mike in NYC

Posted by watermarked ( 730

) on Nov-18-07 at 05:46:44 PST

Jeffry
Your cancel is from City Hall Annex. It was in operation from 7/1/1930 to 10/3/1937. It no longer exists.

Bert A.

Posted by sayasan ( 733

)

on Nov-18-07 at 05:20:41 PST

knud - No need to be upset. Afeht summed up the problem very neatly himself, when he equated libertarianism and individualism. Many folks over there simply can't conceive of any form of libertarian socialism - in fact, they'd see the term as an oxymoron. Whereas you and I, and many others out here in the rest of the global village, maybe have some wider parameters.

It's easy to be an individualist in the USA. You just sit in the bunker (metaphorically or literally) with your shotgun on your lap, and wait for the New World Order to come knocking at your door. Meanwhile, you can spend your time complaining about everyone else.

Actually, afeht / Alex, I share your curiosity about the psychology of philately. Have you ever come across John Elsner & Roger Cardinal (eds), The Cultures of Collecting, Reaktion Books, London, 1994? Compilation of essays. Not an easy read, but some interesting ideas here and there. Deals with the whole of the urge to collect, various times, various cultures.

Richard W.

Posted by meostamps ( 99

) on Nov-18-07 at 05:18:32 PST

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_66/postofficebywtc.html

Jeffry..The CH would stand for Church St. The PO at the corner of Church St and Vesey St was opened in 1935 and is a 3 to 4 short block walk to the Nassau St area. Here is a website with a picture of the building in recent times.

I have not been able to get the exact opening date in 1935, but I would venture a quess that it was this building, or the one it replaced which would have been located nearby. Mike in NYC

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 04:45:07 PST

ROGER----It cost $3.50 at the stamp show this weekend .

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 04:37:02 PST

ALEX -----Good understanding of your collecting interest.

Here is a story I told many times on this board and since its Sunday morning ,time to get a cup of coffee and you can understand me better .

Back in the late 1960's ,I was in Bible College in Denver Colo. ,things weren't working out for me ,school was hard and they were teaching stuff I didn't see in my studies and they were teaching the wrong stuff.On the weekends while most guys were partying it up and whoring around ,I worked on my stamps and played poker with God .

Well one day when it was a slow night on earth and God didn't have a lot to do {guess in the God business ,even he has slow days}.We were playing cards ,I could usually beat him ,I don't know how but I think he used marked cards or something about omniscient.On this night he asked me what I wanted {a pizza and beer would of done that night }but thought I go for something bigger and more intelligent .

The first thing I asked for was good health ,so he threw down a ace ,then firgureing I was on a roll Second I asked for a good wife ,he threw down another ace ,going again I asked for the best kids a parent can have .He threw down another ace ,well then I asked for the ability to make a lot of money ,so he throws down another ace .Then he stops and looks me in the eye and says how about you ,so I look past him into the corner and see my stamp album {which a bunch of stamp experts at the local stamp club told me and everyone else that its WORTHLESS and contains junk }.So I said a decent stamp collection .He thru down the last card and it was a ace .That was the last time we played cards and I still talk to him but he keeps telling me to straighten out

I know this story sounds a little crazy because most people know a deck of cards only has four aces so i asked around and was told "GOD can do anything" so five aces is a possibitly ,or thats what I learn in Bible College .The last ace

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1428

)

on Nov-18-07 at 04:23:51 PST

Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all

knuden
Some of us simply don�t want to get into such debates at the time. Silence can be one way of encouraging an end to a specific discussion. I particularly enjoy the discussions about stamps and Postal History, even when I�m unable to add anything to the discussion. The many posters here have broadened my knowledge over the past 10 years. Thanks to all for that.

Jim L.

member

Posted by claghorn1p ( 413

)

on Nov-18-07 at 04:14:59 PST

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Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-18-07 at 04:09:24 PST

You know I just realized I'm really up late, or someone else is up early. Got to go to bed, See y'all.

Roger

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-18-07 at 04:08:32 PST

Oh, Geees!! another razor cancel collector!!@@@! LOL

At least we know this one is really cheap and only attends brick and mortar auctions. Should prove to be a new resource for those who collect singly. )'>)

Then again.......... he may keep them all, but as long as the bidding is high, I don't mind.

Congratulations Paul. No need for a catalogue to identify a razor cancel, but for the record that's a later usage of a 6.01.

Swiss Razor Cancels

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 03:49:07 PST

STAMPS-4-EVER-----need to see a scan ,was it a first flight cover ,also the postage rate is wrong .

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 03:45:46 PST

SEE WE STILL USE THE STREET METHOD TO INSULT PEOPLE HERE ----The inner city kids have a suddle way of insulting people they don't like you , if your name is SMITH they call you SMITTY or they intendtionly miss your name like paulz or pauly ......so we need to stop that .......For those who don,t care ,here are the recent purchases of "CAN YUP" show your stampsTEXAS RAZOR CANCEL and YUP 'S covers ........paul{yup to some}

Posted by stamps-4-ever ( 134

) on Nov-18-07 at 03:39:13 PST

I have a cover which was sent from Hong Kong to U.S.A. in 1936 with a 5 cent and 20 cent Hong Kong stamps but on the envelope it has a handstamp that says "removed 137-L W.R. what does this hand stamp mean.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-18-07 at 03:22:55 PST

GLASSCHALICEANTIQUES----Your stamp is from a 1947 CIPEX souvenir sheet ----no value maybe a few cents

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-18-07 at 03:09:03 PST

Lars -

Look at the recent discussion as indigestion, a few loud belches and things get better. Next week very few remember the cause of the indigestion. Best have a stiff serving of philately to help forget.

No reason to stop wathcing as I don't think you were even mentioned. )'>) It truely is possible to stay apolitical and watch others provide the entertainment. Not much different than our Presidential Debates as far as I'm concerned. Lot of loud noises, and noone changes their opinions, no matter the virulence of the attacks.

Roger

Posted by deckelmouk ( 1296

) on Nov-18-07 at 01:45:28 PST

Bonjour! Funny, I thought this board would be more rational and free of personal insults than other stamp boards I have encountered so far. Seems that I am totally wrong. I will not bother you any more. Have a good time!

Posted by bjornmu ( 951

) on Nov-18-07 at 00:27:20 PST

Due, MEMEL in one of your cancels was the easternmost port city of Prussia but is now Klaipeda, Lituania. Just FYI.

Posted by severnstampco ( 72

) on Nov-17-07 at 23:52:15 PST

A very early good morning to all!

I collect the omnibus issues of the Silver Jubilee 1935 KGV and while I was trying to decipher US cancellations, one New York City cancellation example has just stumped me.

I know, for example, "G.C. Anx-Registry" means that it had passed through Grand Central Annex Registry as a registered cover (I'm 99.99% sure it is Grand Central)

However, the example is: "C.H. Anx-Registry"
I have heard "Church Street" or "Chambers St", but why would the "C.H." be abbreviated?? I mean it would make sense if it were Church St as a complete set of Bahamas KGV 1935 has been sent to a dealer in the general vicinity of Nassau Street, "Broadway Stamp Company"

Thanks for anyone who can help me out! Jeffry

Posted by glasschaliceantiques ( 743

)

on Nov-17-07 at 23:45:21 PST

Dang... I just figured out that the stamp I was asking about is the 1947 reproduction. Drat!

Posted by glasschaliceantiques ( 743

)

on Nov-17-07 at 23:31:02 PST

Hi everyone! This is my first time visiting this board. I know very little about stamps. Could someone tell me if this stamp is really a Scott's #1? All the research I've done points to the #1 only being printed in black and shades of brown. Any help would be awesome!

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd177/glasschalice/ids/1847Franklin.jpg

Posted by duncan_doenitz ( 127

) on Nov-17-07 at 22:33:08 PST

Afeht, you say...

"Also, don't ever try to tell your elders when to stop talking about this or that, etc., it is very ungraceful. You have no authority over other people whatsoever, including moral authority."

Aahh.. you might stop a minute and listen to your own advice. Before you tell me what I should or should not write, you might think again about tha fact that your mother is 81 and my dad is 89. I suspect you might be talking down to an elder here yourself, if you get my drift.

It was a bit more unseemly for you to classify all those beneficiaries of government help as parasites, don't you suppose, than for me to suggest that you've milked this discussion long enough? You might think that there's some kind of anonymity on the internet, but actually we're not just out there in the ether, you were in my and others' homes, and trust me, if you had physically been here in mine when you called those people, including of course my Dad, PARASITES, the door would've hit you in the ass.

One more time, just in case you haven't perceived the point, it's a mistake to put an entire group of people in one category, in this case portraying them as parasites. There are all kinds of people, with all kinds of needs, and if you can't justify helping them, for whatever reason, just say so.

Maybe you're trying to ease a guilty conscience by branding them as unworthy, and really that's not a bad thing. It means that deep down, you HAVE a conscience.

As I mentioned earlier, you make a very valid point, that people abuse the system, and I totally agree with you on that. But somehow for you that doesn't seem to be enough, you don't acknowledge any middle ground and can't seem to accept that people that have worked hard all their lives can still end up needing help.

I would've never brought it up, you did, and I thought you were way off base and said so. I don't expect to see any apology from you for your "parasites" or "whiner" cheap shots, but that's unfortunate because you're providing the first impressions those here are forming.

It's way too late for me of course (smiley).

Anyway, if you want to dish it out, expect to take it too.

-Dunc

"Some people are bastards as an accident of birth. Others are self-made men."

Posted by afeht ( 1165

)

on Nov-17-07 at 21:49:25 PST

Jaywild,

I never take anything stronger than aspirin but if I were you, I would remove your last post and apologize. Otherwise, our relations on this board will remain very unpleasant for a long time to come.

Posted by afeht ( 1165

)

on Nov-17-07 at 21:44:31 PST

Rainer,

I would appreciate it if you would bring yourself to spelling my name correctly, or just to calling me "Alex" if my last name is too difficult.

I collect used stamps worldwide to 1940 (in some countries, to 1949 or 1956, depending on when and where "wallpaper" started replacing real stamps). I regard stamps as aesthetically pleasing windows to different times, places, and mores. I do collect major varieties listed in specialized catalogs but I do not "plate" stamps, and little away from "plate faults" and "freaks."

I am not a "specialist" in any particular area but could say that most of the classic stamps, especially European ones, are very familiar to me.

I have very moderate interest in postal history per se, and once and for all told myself not to get involved in covers or postcards, to limit my philatelic expenses, and to limit the amount of time I spend on collecting (which can grow exponentially if not controlled), as all of us know).

I am also interested in psychological aspects of philately: why do we collect stamps? What exactly we get in exchange for all this effort? Why does it feel so good to sit down at the accurately prepared table with perf meters, watermark fluids, paper thickness gauges and magnifiers, to switch on the lights, and to open stock books and catalogs? What is it, exactly?

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

)

on Nov-17-07 at 21:36:48 PST

Jay,

if they are Red, then I doubt he will take them,

David B.

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-17-07 at 20:55:23 PST

afeth, we now know your personal history, your political direction, parts of your family history, not that it is uninteresting, however, what even more of interest for us are your philatelic interests and input on this board.
Please tell us what do you collect and in what philatelic areas you specialize.

Posted by afeht ( 1165

)

on Nov-17-07 at 20:12:30 PST

Duncan

My mother is 81, she is in a nursing home, and I just returned from visiting her. She didn't have any land to sell in the first place, she had NOTHING. But I am not whining, I am working. I know what misery she would go through in Russian socialist paradise, if I wouldn't have brought her here.

Also, don't ever try to tell your elders when to stop talking about this or that, etc., it is very ungraceful. You have no authority over other people whatsoever, including moral authority.

No, my opinions don't change depending on the circumstances. I have been through things I wouldn't wish you to ever go through, but I never abandoned my principles of individual independence and responsibility, and never will.

Death is an inflated commodity: yes, it is not nice, but there are many things worse than death. Live and let die.

Ciao.

Posted by gordosauctions ( 2143

) on Nov-17-07 at 19:57:27 PST

Posted by peetah ( 511

) on Nov-17-07 at 19:37:11 PST

stamphick Of course you, I and anyone else having a Scott knows your identification of Swiss Illustration A43, is correct.
Good thing I did not ask about a Washington/Franklin, huh. LOL
In any event, I have the answer to my question. "Type" And I learned it is a complete waste of time to refer to it by type number. Someone should tell Gibbons there is no need for them to number their illustrations though.
My contribution(s) to this question have ended. I have some (well, a 100,000 or so) stamps to play with.

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-17-07 at 18:42:40 PST

stamps12345, can yup show a image of your German Consulate Overland Mail cover?

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-17-07 at 18:26:30 PST

this card is of an interesting l;ocation

Germany

And here are some more ships of the line
Teddy Roosevelt style'

Cleveland&Alabama

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-17-07 at 18:15:11 PST

Sorry Paolo

Here ITI_FLAG

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-17-07 at 18:11:38 PST

Here are some

EUROPEAN_CANCELS
nothing fancy but I like them.

Then I got this great
CHINESE_USAGE

Here is other side
Shaghai

Here is nice Italy_Flag

Front of italy flag for I-O

PLUME

And
I do not know ifin it's my eyes OR
is there some kinda Fancy canel on these dues??

IS_IT_ANYTHING

Time for a refill.

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-17-07 at 17:28:20 PST

Back from
Mt Dora Extravanganza

Had great time 10 hours of trudging up and down hills,loose sand, snowbirds, and box after box of cards
I'm whipped

well almost

Got me a new stamp book to use
Scott's_Early

And did not have this Ship on This Series of card

monitor_fla

I had a Great Philatelic Day

I see here

the FU
is back in FUN

Nice

I might sahre some more unique in their own right things later.

I hear a Crown royal calling me .

Posted by duncan_doenitz ( 127

) on Nov-17-07 at 17:16:26 PST

Afeht,

if your intitial argument was that people abuse the welfare system, you'd get total agrement from me.

That's not what you claimed at all. You said that help for the hungry was not needed, and now you choose to lump the separate issues together.

"Let them eat cake" is still the wrong answer.

My Dad despised third-generation welfare bums who abused the system, and it bothers him now that he needs help himself. He retired early at age 58 due to serious heart problems, but is now 89 years old. You try to imagine his circumstances today, and you MIGHT begin to understand my absolute outrage at your generalizations.

Your mileage may vary.

I'm reminded of Ronald Reagan, who decided that the institutions were filled with folks who were simply too weak willed to get their act together, and turned them out on the streets.

Terribly sad and ironic that his own will was not the answer to his own incapacities. He fell just a bit short of remaining independent.

Just because you might be self sustaining now is no guarantee that your own world will not change, and trust me, your opinions - not truths, opinions - will change to meet the circumstances.

Just ask my friend the doctor.

I know nothing will change your mind, but the stuff you've been spouting touched a nerve. Dad just had to sell his land to keep going, and it broke his failing heart. You obviously will not have such a problem, your heart is already frozen, so just accept that you've seen a rebuttal and drop it, please, OK?

Posted by stamphick! ( 338

) on Nov-17-07 at 16:59:56 PST

antonius-ra...Thanks, but actually I've been to the board every day. I save what is of interest but haven't had much to say for a while which should make many quite happy.

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

)

on Nov-17-07 at 16:42:07 PST

Peetah, another example would be the KGV 2s.6, 5s. 10s. & One Pound, they are never referred to as Gibbons type 109 but as GB Seahorses or GB KGV Seahorses.

David B.

Posted by afeht ( 1165

)

on Nov-17-07 at 16:41:05 PST

Actually, dbenson made the best argument against socialism on this board, by linking to a story about "New Australia in Paraguay."

Every socialist experiment in human history failed or ended up in dictatorship. Nevertheless, parasites continue to support this myth, because it is their only chance to do nothing and get paid for existence.

Et voila! We have the current "mixed" system, where capitalism produces everything but socialism wastes two thirds of everything produced.

To hell with this system, I say, and make the lazy parasites work for living.

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

)

on Nov-17-07 at 16:33:58 PST

Peetah, they are always and I mean always referred to as GB 1864 1d's., never by their type number or catalogue number. The Plate numbers are always described as GB 1864 1d. Plate whatever.

Regarding shades of the 1864 1d. the catalogue makes it difficult as the earlier printings were Rose Red and later printings tend to be deeper what Gibbons call Lake Red. I am not sure where the change occurs but it would be around Plate 180.

David B.

Posted by afeht ( 1165

)

on Nov-17-07 at 16:32:52 PST

Quote from Jaywild: "In many, many elderly households in America they must make decisions between buying necessary medicine and buying food. While one can argue that such people aren�t starving...", etc., blah-blah-blah.

How many "elderly households in America," have no opportunity to get "necessary medicine" through Medicare Plan D?

There are two alternatives: either 1) you are lying ("exaggerating a condition common to all countries and all human beings, for the sake of a one-sided political argument," in lawyers' English), or 2) the whole Medicare system, which absorbs astronomical amounts of taxpayers' lifetime, doesn't work, and should be dismantled.

I'd say, both points are equally valid, but the choice is yours.

Posted by stamphick! ( 338

) on Nov-17-07 at 16:23:01 PST

peetah...Switzerland A43 is 10c Louis Favre of 1932.

Posted by peetah ( 511

) on Nov-17-07 at 15:41:54 PST

malolo Better yet, ANYONE with a Scott catalog, please look in Switzerland and tell me what stamp is shown for Illustration A43.

Posted by peetah ( 511

) on Nov-17-07 at 15:30:38 PST

malolo "Peetah -
You seem to insist on using the Scott illustrations for identifyingstamps. I don�t seem to rememeber any dealer ever referring to stamps by thier image number. Most stamps don�t have those numbers, so everyone references by catalouge number, then checks to confirm the image is right one. If you describe a stamp as 43A, I guarantee no collector will understand you mean the image in the catalogue, but will think only of catalogue number." Actually A43.. (but a minor point).

Ok then, ANYONE Having a Scott catalog, please tell me what stamp is represented as illustration A43 in, ohhh, lets say Denmark?
There is a mountain, being made out of a mole hill here. There is no need of it. Stop trying to find a reason for dispute. My original question was meant to be very narrow, how to define the number under a stamp illustrated in Gibbons. I gave an example of how Scott uses A43 (and A43 was/is an arbitrary number)as the reference image.
I use Scott and I write in the terminology of Scott. But, I also use Gibbons (for British stamps) and try to use correct terminology for Gibbons. I was given the answer for Gibbons as "Type" which I accepted and expressed thanks.

Why did I ask the question in the first place? I have SG 2007 edition of Commonwealth & British Empire Stamps 1840 - 1952. Under Great Britain, on page 5 there are 2 images of Victoria. The one on the left has a number 5 under it. (in aside:if it was Scott and IF it was a 5 it would be A5)
But, note that there are 2 catalogue numbers below it that are using this 5 as an illustration. I have this stamp, but cannot discern the shade as rose red or lake red. So, I wanted to refer it as TYPE 5 and let the viewer decide color and this catalogue number. Both have the same base catalogue value.My intent was to not risk the error of a specific catalogue number and citing it as Type 5 would be useful for anyone using a Gibbons.
I am trying to get hold of a Scandinavia Facit catalogue, so when I list Swedish stamps I can use (as best as I can) references from Facit. If I post requests for assistance here for that, can I also expect the same uncalled for indignaties?

Posted by iomoon ( 1055

)

on Nov-17-07 at 15:15:20 PST

Speaking of updating web pages.

An update with Vulture volcano.

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-17-07 at 15:11:52 PST

Alec� Very nice!!

Jim

Posted by infla-alec ( 561

)

on Nov-17-07 at 15:08:42 PST

Jaywild/Jim The cover I assume you're asking about is the discovery. front and reverse
One day I should really update my me page as Rainer does and show some interesting items.

Posted by bjornmu ( 951

) on Nov-17-07 at 15:08:03 PST

Alec, congrats on you new Infla finds, and good to hear that your mother it doing well.

Posted by knuden ( 2396

)

on Nov-17-07 at 15:06:35 PST

Mitchell - As I don't know if you read this message to you, I write it again:
"I'm not sure about your your Scott # 24a but I think it's worth getting a certificate.
As seeing on this page of mine, you will se that the overprints each has a small variation (which make it more easy to plate the stamps.
A proof of the overprint can be seen here in black and red.
You can see the known fake overprints from my Monograph
(yes I'm not only a catalog queen but a Monograph queen too *grin*) - page 1 - page 2- page 3 - page 4.
I hope this can be of any help. :O)"

K.E

I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-17-07 at 14:53:08 PST

Alec� Can you show us that cover? I checked your �me� page but couldn�t find an image.

That is a very heartening story, by the way. Just goes to show you the benefits of educating yourself. A diamond in the rough looks like just another pebble�only those who know better can spot what it�s really worth.

Jim

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-17-07 at 14:32:06 PST

NOIP-----Home from CHICAGOPEX ,nice exhibits mostly Slavic in nature .Lots of Czech,Poland,Ukrainian and related areas .

Austrian Society had 15 people show up for first meeting .

Since im unemployed and zero funds for stamps ,I had to settle for a Texas razor cancel and a German Consulate in Iraq going overland mail cover but broke otherwise .

Posted by mini*lindy ( 519

)

on Nov-17-07 at 14:10:04 PST

Alec Thank you! great philatlic story, and an example of what we want to read here!

briguy Amazing! in photography, as in philately, always new finds.

And to some of our friends missing in action lately.... hi Sheryll, Anne, Steph, Colin, and anyone else not posting but reading, hope you'll chat philatelically soon!!
Linda

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-17-07 at 14:06:15 PST

In many, many elderly households in America they must make decisions between buying necessary medicine and buying food. While one can argue that such people aren�t starving, it�s not much of an argument.

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-17-07 at 14:00:55 PST

oggilby� I got several very nice Oct 5 covers from friends on the board and elsewhere, so don�t trouble yourself with finding one for me. Also, I haven�t seen any Wyoming or Utah quarters yet, so don�t have any to send you. BTW, next year is the last year of the series, with Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona, Alaska and Hawaii coming out.

briguy... Thanks for pointing out the existence of the new images of Lincoln at Gettysburg. It�s amazing to consider how much his contribution to our history is revered, that we go crazy over the discovery of an image of him one or two millimeters high. Yes, you are right. Gettysburg is the place to understand what this country means.

infla-alec... I hope your Mom continues to do well. They are making incredible strides in the treatment (and prevention) of cancer these days.

Jim

Posted by duncan_doenitz ( 127

) on Nov-17-07 at 13:49:40 PST

Afeht,

"Would you be so kind as to point out (and I mean, by name, with address and photographs) just 1 (one) American elderly couple that has nothing to eat? If not, any further conversation on this subject is moot."

Well I guess under your terms, if they have been forced to burning wood to survive, and are now burning the furniture for heat, that might not qualify, eh?

After all, they DO manage to eat. You can be such an *ss.

-Carl

Posted by infla-alec ( 561

)

on Nov-17-07 at 13:41:33 PST

Bob in WA The story begins with my over the years showing many of my friends what exactly I collect and trying to teach them all about my very specialized collecting area.
Imagine my surprise when one day getting a phone call at 0530 AM !!! It was from one of my best friends in Germany. He was severley out of breath & telling me to get online as fast as possible. Initially I feared he was having a heart attack and as soon as I made contact via an instant message chat we use to keep in touch I asked what was wrong and did he need help. "I am hoping to help you", came the reply. I was then asked to view a picture taken on a Cell phone of the front & back of the cover in question. Such images are not very clear but I asked for the date on the cover, place name and if he knew what type of stamp was on the cover. It could have been one of two types either Plattendruck, (Plate print)or Walzendruck,(cylinder / rotary print). The cancel and date he could tell me but not the type. He wanted to know if he should buy the cover for me. It was being offered for sale at a flea market of all places and the price being asked was �400. That I assume is what in the US you would call a junk yard sale or some such thing.
I knew that I did not own such a mass franking from December and despite the cover not being in perfect condition I asked him to buy the cover but to try and haggle the price down as best he could if possible. The cancel I was 99.99% certain was ok and knew the rate was correct.
A couple of hours later we met again online and I was told he made it back to the flea market in time before it closed and he had bought the cover for �300. This I felt was a very fair price based on the assumtion it was the Plattendruck type. However with actual high resolution better scans of the cover I was able to be 99% certain the stamps were indeed the Walzendruck type. Now I was nearly having a heart attack !! This I knew from years of searching was indeed quite rare. Just how rare I wasn't sure about until after I had spoken to one of the Inflation Prüfers (expertizer) in Germany.
Later that day my thoughts were confirmed by the expertizer it was indeed the largest and only known Mass franking (40 copies) of the Michel 333 Walzendruck. But as ever with the expertizers the opinion is not binding unless he has seen the actual item in person.
My friend then asked if he should send the cover on to me. "NO WAY " I was taking the risk that it might get lost in the mail system. I agreed to fly over to Germany and pick up the cover in question myself. So happened the weekend I flew over there was a big stamp show taking place in Essen about an hours drive away. Funny how we collectors manage to make vacations around stamp shows :-)
Believe me Bob when I actually had the cover in my hands for the first time I was quite simply on cloud nine. It took a few months for me to come down off such a high.
Luckily for me the sister of the expertizer I use lives very close to me and she was going back to Germany to visit and so took the cover back to Germany by hand and I eventually got it back in Sindelfingen last month, complete with Attest.

So just goes to show what benefits can sometimes occur from sharing your knowledge and collecting interests with others. The chances of such a discovery being made in such a way and eventually becoming mine are about the same as me becoming US President one day.

As for information on inflation in general the only publications in English are produced by the Inflation Study Group of the Germany Philatelic Society , based in the US. A Dr Jason Machester of the GPS I am sure give you more information on if the ISG have back issues for sale.

For anyone remotely interested in getting to understand the Inflation period I can highly recommend a small book written in English by a Herr Gerhard Binder. It explains in detail many of the things a non German speaker would have difficulty understanding. What many of the terms in German mean, what is rare and it goes on to show also all the postal rates.The book retails I believe for around $26 and I can put anyone interested in obtaining a copy in direct touch with Gerhard. Yes he is German but speaks very good English so no problems with communication and he can take payment in US $ I am sure.
Have to admit I can vouch for the book because I helped with translating the second print run into an easier to understand version that English speakers would be able to follow.

Posted by dragonstamps ( 493

) on Nov-17-07 at 13:39:07 PST

Roger:

I'm in a similar position. I've always paid my own way for health care, I even put money aside for that.
I have saved a lot of money by NOT giving it to the insurance company. The richest friend of mine from growing up, OWNS an insurance company. (The second richest owns a trash business.)

Now here we have the insurance company giving money to the politicians who in turn make me give money to the insurance company.
It STINKS.

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-17-07 at 13:24:48 PST

David -
Correct. When I moved to Hawaii its health care system was touted as a model for national consideration, until it was discovered how many were not covered! Being an independent businessman I was screwed as nearly all plans required employers to pay the plan fees for their employees, unless one worked part-time - less than 20 hours per week. I had no employees, but the premiums for my wife and I were so outrageous we declined andlived with no health insurance. It was that, or no food! );>) Most jobs here are part-time, the primary reason I chose to work for the Federales. Family providers usually have two jobs, juggle transportation and schedules all with limited or no health care insurance. I no longer see Hawaii held up as the model.

There are only three hospitals on the island, one 15 miles away, another 45 miles, the last in Hilo 90 miles and a two hour drive. It could be possible for me to drive to the airport and fly to Honolulu and take a taxi to Queens Hospital faster than driving to Hilo. Kaiser has a presence here, but only a clinic. There are no public clinics in Kona, the state hospital emergency room is put into the position of having to treat non-emergency situations due to this oversight and lack of funding.

Peetah -
You seem to insist on using the Scott illustrations for identifyingstamps. I don�t seem to rememeber any dealer ever referring to stamps by thier image number. Most stamps don�t have those numbers, so everyone references by catalouge number, then checks to confirm the image is right one. If you describe a stamp as 43A, I guarantee no collector will understand you mean the image in the catalogue, but will think only of catalogue number.

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels

Posted by oggilby ( 1238

)

on Nov-17-07 at 13:08:55 PST

Greetings to all combatants! Taking a break from raking leaves and bringing in fire wood. A fine crisp Central MD afternoon, might flurry tonight.

jaywild--Finding many 10/04/07 covers but none for you as of yet.

Posted by philaweb ( 321

)

on Nov-17-07 at 13:06:37 PST

One of my latest acquisitions - Swiss tax stamp on Latvian postcard. This is the only example of real usage on a Latvian postcard that I have seen. The postcard by the way has an undivided address side - a pratice that was changed in the mid-1900's. So, this card is clearly used due to lack of recent paper supplies.

Posted by dragonstamps ( 493

) on Nov-17-07 at 12:57:19 PST

Peetah: My stamp is closer cut, so that border on yours is cut from my stamp.
So I can't tell without seeing them both in front of me.

Posted by greenwave4u ( 82

)

on Nov-17-07 at 12:51:52 PST

Hi Matthew unfortunately no time for stamps on this visit, but certainly a great place and I will probably be back in the New Year. This trip was my company's annual export "conference", about 100+ from all over the world. Now recovering from not enough sleep and too much alcohol...hic.

Posted by afeht ( 1165

)

on Nov-17-07 at 12:50:21 PST

duncan wrote: "If you were faced with explaining your "reality" to an elderly couple on a fixed income..."

As if I don't know elderly couples on a fixed income!

Yes, health care costs are skyrocketing (thanks to the government's socialist laws and meddling in insurance business) -- but the elderly couple would have Medicare, wouldn't it?

Yes, heating oil prices in the Northeast are high (thanks to the government's taxes, which constitute more than a half of the price, and thanks to the government's laws that made impossible building new petroleum processing plants since the 1970s, and banned oil and gas drilling in the continental US) -- but the elderly couple would have heating oil subsidies, wouldn't they?

Would you be so kind as to point out (and I mean, by name, with address and photographs) just 1 (one) American elderly couple that has nothing to eat? If not, any further conversation on this subject is moot.

vasias I am sorry, but your posts are so misinformed as not to deserve an answer. One cannot argue coherently with incoherent wildcat proclamations.

Jaywild: I am generally a very calm person. No, there is no spit on my computer screen on the outside -- but I notice some from the inside whenever you have a fit of your inane attacks.

Posted by peetah ( 511

) on Nov-17-07 at 12:47:04 PST

dbenson I was thinking the same thing myself. While I use Scott, many times (with British stamps)I like to use Gibbons at the same time. And when I do, I try to use Gibbons terminology.

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

)

on Nov-17-07 at 12:33:46 PST

peetah, it is most probably because there are so many catalogues in normal usage and Gibbons is only one of them. It is hardly used here for Australian Stamps and would be useless to use any number references that they use unlike in the US where Scott's is widely used,

David B.

Posted by matthew1999 ( 176

)

on Nov-17-07 at 12:32:08 PST

Peter (greenwave) - hope you enjoyed Prague, did you have time to stop by the postal museum or any stamp shops?
Mh

Posted by peetah ( 511

) on Nov-17-07 at 12:30:47 PST

dragonstamps Still waiting for due2cents to get back to me. Could be of interest to you as well. I say "could", because he said there were many catalog entries for the same stamp. What of the back of your used stamp? Does it have the similar border as mine (mint never hinged) shows?

Posted by vasias ( 243

) on Nov-17-07 at 12:28:22 PST

afeht

here is a very brief comment by an "arthropod" who has lived for a significant number of years in the US and who now lives in a country where left-wing dissidents were thrown by US-trained torturers into potato bags together with live cats and dipped into the sea....I will let you imagine the rest.

I have to wonder what kind of individuals would get political refugee status in the US in 1986!!!! when Gorby and his pro-American entourage had already assumed power in the Soviet Union.

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

)

on Nov-17-07 at 12:27:38 PST

peetah, it would be type 43,

I can't answer your query why catalogue numbers are not used as descriptions, it is something that has evolved over time,

David B.

Posted by greenwave4u ( 82

)

on Nov-17-07 at 12:27:13 PST

Been away in Prague for a week and see the board is in turmoil again.... Nothing wrong with that as probably better to vent frustrations or reasoned argument through the written word rather than by real actions you regret later such as wars! In reality I believe you cannot comment on another country unless you have lived or worked there for a period of time. Perhaps it should be a requirement of all politicians to have done "time" overseas before standing for office:-)
We need an injection of stamp related posts/topics. Anybody got any good ideas out there?
cheers
Peter

Posted by peetah ( 511

) on Nov-17-07 at 12:21:44 PST

dbenson Re: Gibbons.... Dancing all around a stamp by year of issue, face value, color and description if (most certainly) required, seems an awful and inaccurate waste of time. Why bother to have a catalog and/or illustration number at all then? And, it can't be refered to as simply 43 as that does not answer the question, is it catalog number 43 or illustration 43. So, "Type" 43 it is. Thank you!

Posted by rclwa ( 976

) on Nov-17-07 at 12:19:40 PST

Boy, those Nigerian scammers are getting lazy. This is the entire message I just received (with email address deleted, in case someone exceptionally naive is reading this):

I Muzanka,the son of Zack Muzanka, One of the black farmers in Zimbabwe who was murdered ,Before the death of my father, he deposit some money with a security company in EUROPE. email:(email address) regards, mozula.

Previous messages have usually been elaborate tales, sometimes pages long.

Bob in WA

Posted by duncan_doenitz ( 127

) on Nov-17-07 at 12:12:59 PST

A friend of ours who became a doctor, while he was an intern railed against the Fat Cat doctors who came to work late, left early, and left all the real work to the overworked and underpaid interns... until he bacame a doctor himself.

He soon forgot those earlier statements. He's not the only one to adopt a biased point of view, but it was surprising how QUICKLY he changed.

Sort of like the old hippies who, I guess, became "hippiecritical" when they changed their views evolved.

-Dunc

"How come cattails are called cattails? They don't look like cat tails at all, they look like weiners on a stick."

Posted by stamphick! ( 338

) on Nov-17-07 at 12:09:00 PST

malolo...That was a good article by your (former) doctor. It sounds to me as if your problem is primarily with the state and not so much with the federal government.

One of the current presidential candidates played a major role in causing the malpractice insurance of ob-gyn's to explode. Does Kaiser have hospitals on the Big Island?

Posted by matthew1999 ( 176

)

on Nov-17-07 at 12:07:27 PST

Briguy, don't take it so hard. Every time you see a used 90c Lincoln of the 1869 issue, you don't cry out "Another Ice House cover...destroyed!!"

(Or do you?)

Most rare things get that way because they aren't appreciated at the time. C'est la vie philatelique.

Posted by deckelmouk ( 1296

) on Nov-17-07 at 12:06:51 PST

@thebriguy1: Beneath the cancel and above the paper the stamp is indeed "mint".

Posted by rclwa ( 976

) on Nov-17-07 at 12:06:20 PST

Hi all-- Although I haven't been posting lately, I do manage to peek in almost every day, and at least save the board for future perusal if I don't have time to read it all. I have most of the past few months on a handy memory stick that I take with me to the library.

Alec -- I may have read it before, but I'd like to see the story of that cover again. I'd also like to know more about the study group journals. Are they in English or German? If the former, I'd be keenly interested in finding back issues, or compilations of articles if such exist.

Bob in WA

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Nov-17-07 at 12:01:50 PST

See?....I'm so upset I misspelled Virginia. :o(

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Nov-17-07 at 11:59:58 PST

Stamphick yes, great book. Now if we really must feed our negative urges, lets do it philatelically.

Like with this travesty of postal history.

The "mint" pair of stamps the seller refers to, is canceled by a strike of the Richmond VA dial. However, the travesty part can be found in the printing under the stamps. What was once a highly desirable state of Virgina semi official cover, now mutilated,.. by what can only be described as a twisted scissors wielding freak!

It makes me want to cry.

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-17-07 at 11:55:38 PST

Aloha All -

I guess satisfacory health care and medical treatment depends on where one lives! Here in West Hawaii, and now in West Oahu, doctors are leaving their practices due to insufficient reimbursement by the major medical insurance plan in the state.

Firstly this article written by one of my doctors who closed hs office this week. I bid him farewell at the airport and thanked him for his help over the years!

This article is written by a respected MD who is fighting the insurance companies.

Another source citing one of the major reason doctors are reducing services.

News reports last January, and nothing is changing.

Another.

Health care for some medical problems is non-existant here where the population should support these specialists. A flight to Oahu is required for most surgeries, and for those unlucky enough to have been seriously injured in an automobile accident, they get "first Aid" at our local state hospital then are helicoptered to the airport, then flown to Honolulu to be treated. Soldiers injured in battle get to the primary aid center faster.

There is a serious shortage developing in the American health care system, those who will be able to aford high priced services, and those who will have nothing. The answers are all in the hands of politicians who tend to be millionaires and have voted themsleves a different benefits system not available to the general public!!

I don't consider any of the above articles to be radical, but something must be done. My votes in the upcoming elections will be determined by the health care position taken by the various politcal candidates.

Roger

Posted by matthew1999 ( 176

)

on Nov-17-07 at 11:45:12 PST

In addition to those two being impeached, several other presidents were impaired, e.g. by stroke or illness. As far as I know, no president was ever imbananad, however.

Mh (ducking and running)

Posted by iomoon ( 1055

)

on Nov-17-07 at 11:33:54 PST

gf9

Thank you for the correction, William Clinton along with Andrew Johnson.
Nixon was the one who resigned before being impeached.

Posted by dragonstamps ( 493

) on Nov-17-07 at 11:31:45 PST

for my post at 10:41:59.

I meant we are forced to get or prove that we have health care *insurance*.
I guess there is a big difference!

Posted by dragonstamps ( 493

) on Nov-17-07 at 11:28:44 PST

Peetah: I found one of those Sweden military stamps.
Sweden

I don't know which one it is. I haven't gotten around to getting a closer ID.

Posted by gf9 ( 347

) on Nov-17-07 at 10:51:55 PST

iomoon:
Wishful thinking in your post yesterday 18:00:35. Nixon was NOT impeached. Bill Clinton was, however. Maybe you were thinking of Bill when you said politicians should be accountable for their actions :-)

Posted by dragonstamps ( 493

) on Nov-17-07 at 10:41:59 PST

It looks like the war(s) have started yet again.
1) There aren't that many people "starving" in my part of the U.S.A.
The thinnest seem to be the Brazilians, and they are just in good shape, or not over weight. They work hard and cut American wages, sure, but they are the closest to "starving" in these woods.

2) We have great health care in this country, but recently "we" as in Massachusetts are forced to get health care.
At gun point, or "by law" if you wish.
I thank all from the political "left" for the lack of choice in this matter. Of course, one of the so called political "right", signed the bill into law.

Posted by deckelmouk ( 1296

) on Nov-17-07 at 10:32:17 PST

Bongswar! The postal history of the North German Confederation is one of my side interests. I try to pick up interesting covers if they come cheap. Qualitywise I am not too anxious as I do not plan to exhibit but rather. Nevertheless I was quite pleased that I got this letter: http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,0028415710,language,G.html - but why? =))

Posted by duncan_doenitz ( 127

) on Nov-17-07 at 10:31:44 PST

So, afeht, you suggest that statistics can be manipulated to prove any case, but even our deceptive government can't disguise the declining standard of living in the US.

If you were faced with explaining your "reality" to an elderly couple on a fixed income, whose funds were being depleted by horrendous escalating medical costs, high heating bills and such, facing terrible financial choices...

You would explain to them that their hunger was a myth, and as you walked away, you'd mutter "screw 'em" under your breath.

Have I got your philosophy right?

Get real.

Posted by dbenson ( 8707

)

on Nov-17-07 at 10:26:03 PST

Peetah, re. Gibbons.

It is not usually mentioned, nor is the catalogue number, references are made to the year of issue, face value, color and description if required. If it is discussed and I can't remember anyone ever discussing a type number then it would be Gibbons Type 43,

David B.

Posted by stamphick! ( 338

) on Nov-17-07 at 10:21:15 PST

knuden...

???

Since you asked I agree with most of what he has written. I have to wonder why, if health care in Denmark is free, why 28% of Danes carry private medical insurance. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that you definition of free is quite different than mine.

briguy...Have you read The KillerAngels? if not get it immediately.

Posted by infla-alec ( 561

)

on Nov-17-07 at 09:24:03 PST

Seems to me as if the old arguments continue to surface here. I feel no real need to respond to political statements made here. For me this board should be about philately in any shape or form. Sure everyone is free to post whatever comments they wish. Though sometimes I think some are made with the very intention of starting shall we say a heated debate ?
But going back to my earlier post and attempting to get thkngs back on a philatelic note Scan 4 is a December franking which strictly speaking is not correctly franked. The correct rate for a distance letter was 10 Renten Pfennig or 100 Milliarden Marks. Remember the rate during December was fixed at 10 M'den = 1 Rpf. So if underfranked why did the cover not attract postage due charges ? Quite simply the five 2 Million Mark stamps were accidentaly used and accepted as being 2 Milliarden Mark stamps. Such mistakes did sometimes occur because it must be remembered that at this time a new currency was introduced,old stamps were accepted at a rate of 10-1, and the previous rate which only ended on 30 November had stamps sold at four times face. It is no wonder then that confusion amongst the postal system occured.

Next we see a perfect example of a December new and old currency registered distance letter. Note the new currency stamps did not have the value inscribed in words. The 20 Rpf value is not common to find as a mixed franking.
Mixed franking usually means two or more stamps of different values. Inflation collectors eagerly seek examples used during December with the old inflation stamps.

Although I stated previously the old stamps could be used for postage during December 1923 most examples found are from the first two weeks of the month. http://usera.imagecave.com/Insel-Alec/NewOPD/al007.jpg> Late December usage is especially sought for.

The OPD München on 7 November 1923 decided on their own accord to overprint and issue their own 1 Milliarden stamp. This particular stamp although having no connection whatsoever to the infamous Adolf Hitler has become known over time as the so called, " Putsch Provisional". So known because coincidentally it appeared one day before the uprising. It's use was restricted to Bavaria and was not authorised for use in any other area of Germany.
For the postal period 26th-30th November 1923 stamps were sold and accepted as being worth four times their face value. So although bearing 21 copies of the "putsch" stamp thus making it overfanked by 4 Milliarden Marks, it is very late usage of this particular stamp.
Occassionally known plateflaws can be found, usually mint such as this pair and it is always nice to find examples on cover. This one being from OPD München local letter and coming from position 22 and 23 of some sheets.

Linda Yes I did manage to get over to Sindelfingen this year and although I didn't find much from the dealers I did receive confirmation that I indeed am the proud owner of the largest known multiple franking of Michel 333 W. The W denotes Walzendruck which simply means rotary press printing. Used examples are extremely scarce. With block of 40 on the reverse it is a unique item and the Attest(certificate) confirms this.

In fact this particular cover will be mentioned in the Arge (study group) Infla-Berlin's next journal.It rates as being one of the rarest Inflation discoveries ever made. It's discovery is a story in iteself which I think I told here once before. If anyone missed the tale and would like to hear it please say so and I will repeat the story.

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Nov-17-07 at 08:41:40 PST

Geeesh.....did I pick the wrong day to read the chat.

Oh well, I view the glass as half full. Philatlists are passionate people, inevitably that leads to flames, be it over war, politics, or the true definition of pigeon blood pink.

The stamp chatter will return soon......thats my take on it.

This is also non philatelic, but has anyone Googled "Lincoln>Gettysburg" today? Apparently a small packet of stereoscope images has just been discovered. Scenes of Lincoln at Gettysburg in 1863, dedicating the memorial park, the moment where he delivering his famed address. Yes, seteroscope images.....in 3D!. For a historian or a photography buff, this is sort of like opening an old book,......and a few unused 3 skilling yellows tumble out into your lap.

Want to understand what makes Americans tick? Start with this current story. Learn about Gettysburg, what happened there, why, and what Lincoln said that day he dedicated the park. You'll find no better reference point...........

Posted by dcderoo ( 1708

) on Nov-17-07 at 08:25:26 PST

Before I throw this away I want to check if anyone here wants it.

APS Personalized Postage

Contact me through eBay with your address if so.

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-17-07 at 08:21:50 PST

Well, I see the board is still stuck on American talk-radio station K-AFEHT, where spluttering rage is all the rage. I�ll check back later, after one question to Alex�how many times a day do you have to wipe spit off your computer monitor?

Jim

Posted by peetah ( 511

) on Nov-17-07 at 08:04:41 PST

Reposting an earlier question: In Scott, when a stamp is illustrated it is assigned a number, for example A43. Referring to A43 and the country, automatically tells the Scott catalog user what a stamp will look like. The catalog number usually differs from the illustration.
My question is for Stanley Gibbons users. How does one refer to the number under the stamp shown in the SG catalog? Is it Type 43 or just T43? Or is there some other word?

Posted by peetah ( 511

) on Nov-17-07 at 07:55:14 PST

knuden What I have read of afeht's opinions when on the subject of The USA, I am in agreement with him.
When he speaks to other nations' systems, political or social, I have no opinion, because I have never experienced living in any other country but the USA, so I am not qualified to give an opinion. Besides, opinions are just like butt holes, everyone has one!
The one thing we all have in common on this board, is the love of stamps. Politics and religion have caused too many wars. But I don't know of any that were the result of stamps. (Unless one includes the flaming wars I see in here sometimes.)Why can't we just address ourselves to our common love of stamps?

Posted by philaweb ( 321

)

on Nov-17-07 at 07:45:12 PST

Sweden has been at peace since 1814, which leaves space for some boredom to occur. But, I really do prefer that to having men of every generation killed in wars.

Posted by philaweb ( 321

)

on Nov-17-07 at 07:31:25 PST

Good Morning/Day/Afternoon/Evening!

This much I can tell you: Americans has no idea as what a real socialist looks like, Scandinavians has no idea as how a real individualist looks like. As a Polish exchange student told me during the early 1980's: "You people in Scandinavia have built a true communist society, a society we have only heard about through our state propaganda".

Posted by lluehhhb ( 310

) on Nov-17-07 at 06:43:54 PST

knuden
Don't be too serious! It's just an internet chat!

Alec
I was wondering what happened to you. At least we know you're OK.

Posted by knuden ( 2396

)

on Nov-17-07 at 05:56:17 PST

afeht - "Scandinavian societies are predominantly socialist." If you belive this I'm afraid, you think all to the left of Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nation are socialist. With your latest statements I stop here.

In Denmark we have saying "Silence gives consent" and If I'm going to stay here, I would like to know, how many who share afeht's opinions.

K.E

I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

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)

on Nov-17-07 at 05:20:46 PST

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Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-17-07 at 04:28:13 PST

NOIP----Still working on Bulgaria ,when all done will have a nice showing of that country .Then will look around to get a few key stamps or sets .

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-17-07 at 04:25:08 PST

INFL--ALEC -Good to hear your mother is doing better ,also nice to see you posting again .You been missed .

Today is the first meeting of the Austrian Philatelic Society in the U.S. This will be the organization meeting .

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1428

)

on Nov-17-07 at 03:53:22 PST

Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all

Jim L.

member

Posted by mini*lindy ( 519

)

on Nov-17-07 at 03:06:50 PST

Alec good news on your Mum, and so happy for your parents to have been able to celebrate their Anniversary together.
My Mum is currently in hospital / rehabilitation, and its all to do with blood clots. Not easy in the old and infirm.

Did you get to travel to Sindelfingen last month, and find some treasures there too?

Linda

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-17-07 at 03:01:34 PST

Matt L

TOO MANY to report
and I had a couple of bad experiences
with those that take the reports

so If they want my updates and addendun

They will have to hope for the kindness of strangers

"I'm strange, but lately unkind."

OFF Got to beat theSUN to the top
of the hill at MT Dora,
Want to make my attack downhill with the SUN at my back.

'He draws to the right , so lean to the left"

BBL

Posted by afeht ( 1165

)

on Nov-17-07 at 02:55:28 PST

knud,

Yes, "1 in 10 Americans is hungry" is a blatant lie, and the link you posted is to a website of a scam operation relieving gullible fools of their money.

Scandinavian societies are predominantly socialist. Make my day, prove that it ain't so.

CNN is a Turner's network engaged in a constant anti-Americanpropaganda. Ted Turner is one of the most rabid haters of the US in the world.

Hey, Knud, it's 4 am where I live, and, despite my night owl habits, I need to sleep once in a while. Also, I don't believe in your sincerity: you are teasing me by pretending not to understand the basic facts of life. And I haven't got all the time in the world for one sly Dane.

Have a nice day. See you later.

Posted by knuden ( 2396

)

on Nov-17-07 at 02:49:59 PST

Rainer - Congrats. Now you have to find them. :O)

K.E

I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-17-07 at 02:42:39 PST

Back to stamps, today I have received images of booklet covers from Iraq railway stamps.
You can view them at http://fuchs-online.com/iraq
The first paragraph of the "Whats New" column lead you to them.

Posted by knuden ( 2396

)

on Nov-17-07 at 02:38:04 PST

afeht - "There is no hunger in the USA." ?? Is this "shameless anti-American propaganda"?
"socialist Scandinavian societies" What kind of government do you think we have in the Scandinavian countries??

K.E

I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

Posted by afeht ( 1165

)

on Nov-17-07 at 01:58:55 PST

knud,

There are so many wrong assumptions in your post, I don't know where to begin!

I live in the U.S. since 1986, when I was accepted here as a political refugee from the USSR. During the first 5 of these 20 years I've been very poor indeed, and had to feed my family (3 other people). During these 20 years, I've seen almost every state and city in the U.S., lived in many places, worked with very different people. And I can tell you with confidence: you are a victim of shameless anti-American propaganda.

There is no hunger in the USA. I've never seen a hungry person here, anybody who would ask for food would recieve tons of it for free from all sides.

Not everybody can or wants to afford medical insurance in the US, this is a matter of choice. But everybody is entitled to medical help, and everybody receives it when it is needed. Just a year ago I had to wait in the emergency room, where I went in the evening because of the terrible kidney stone pain, for them to take care of a drunk motorcycle driver who fell and broke every bone. This biker had no money, no insurance. I had money and insurance, and I was in severe pain but they took care of him first because his life was in danger, and mine wasn't. They had to, even if he was incapable of paying: such is the American law. And this is why many people choose not to spend money on insurance. They spend money on drugs and alcohol instead.

There is nothing "free" in this world, Knud. Somebody always pays. The very notion of "free" hospitals or "free" education shows the abysmal depth of your misunderstanding of the world.

I don't know what is "perfect education" but anybody who wants can get any kind of education in the U.S. Lazy people don't: and that is right, because they don't deserve it.

Unlike the US, Denmark has relatively uniform population with similar temperament, cultural preferences, habits, prejudices, etc. This allows for more effective distribution of wealth, and for more effective control of this distribution.

Having said that, I must note that I visited Denmark and talked to Danes, many of whom expressed extreme boredom, complained about lack of opportunities and excitement in their lives, and told me that secret alcoholism and suicides are deep and incurable problems in socialist Scandinavian societies.

Also, Scandinavians (especially Swedes) tend to ostracize non-conformists, originally thinking people who don't fit in their Procrustean mental framework. You, Knud, exhibit this trait even on this board.

Two Americans would never agree about most things, and three Americans would start a shootin' fight. We learned, however, to live side by side with very incompatible people here in the U.S., and our public life is a constant scandalous argument, tug-of-war in which any side can win only temprorarily. This is the price we pay for being free-minded. America is a country of 300 million incurable individualists, and this individualism is the only characteristically American trait, which makes even the most socialist American a libertarian, compared with run-of-the-mill European platitudinarians.

Posted by knuden ( 2396

)

on Nov-17-07 at 01:41:47 PST

infla-alec - Hi Alec. It's nice to see you around. :O)Congratulation with the good news about your mother.
Congratulation too with the great find of yours. There is many good items in the lot - be happy I wasn't around! :O)

K.E

I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

Posted by knuden ( 2396

)

on Nov-17-07 at 01:38:23 PST

afeht - "That anti-American spot still itching?" Is CNN anti-American???

K.E

I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

Posted by knuden ( 2396

)

on Nov-17-07 at 01:34:15 PST

afeht - I have from childhood been very fond of America but as I'm grown older and learned more about your country, more issues has puzzled me. How come, a such rich country can't afford to to feed the hungry, give medical care to all, give a perfect education to all etc?
I live in a small country, which are not perfect. We have poor people too but not many, the educatione system are changing to the better (it was'n too good before) but we have a well operating health system with free care of the sick and free hospitals, cheap medicin etc. We are not as rich a country as yours but it seems like we have found a better model. :O)

K.E

I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

Posted by afeht ( 1165

)

on Nov-17-07 at 01:27:01 PST

Rainer,

Even my family may have had no money for food "at least 1 day in 2006", despite us being in the top 5% of self-employed earners. Sometimes you just wait for the next big check to arrive before you go to your favorite restaurant... I've known real "food insecurity" back in Siberia, don't tell me fairy tales. Your statistics makes no sense whatsoever.

That anti-American spot still itching?

Posted by infla-alec ( 561

)

on Nov-17-07 at 01:24:34 PST

Missed me ? It's been a little while since I last posted here and although I have been following the board as much as possible I haven't really had up to now much enthusiasim to post non philatelic messages.

My mother having been diagnosed with breast cancer pretty much knocked me for six. However I'm glad to report that the operation was a 100% success. My mother did during recovery suffer a blood clot which stopped the heart but thankfully resussitation and an emergency second operation brought her back to us. I'm also pleased to say that yesterday 16 November my parents celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary.

But to get things back to philately the past few months have also seen me add a few intersting items to my collection.

For the benefit of those that don't know I only collect a very small part of German hyper-inflation postal history from the period September - December 1923. I also only collect what is known as the Ober Post Direktion, this being the stamps issued by regional printers under authorisation by the ,"Reichsdruckerei" (State printing works) in Berlin.

Anyway a month or so I bid on a large lot (36) of such covers all in one US auction. Scans at the time were not exactly the best so I only made a small bid. But upon receipt I was extremely pleased to discover that many of the items would fit perfectly into my collection and enhance my exhibit of such material.
There were in fact several quite scarce items hidden amongst the lot. Namely the rouletted perforation on scans 1 2 and 3. The latter being December 23 use.
1.December 1923 saw the introduction of the new currency and as such ended inflation. But throughout that month the old inflation stamps could be used up as postage with a fixed currency conversion rate of 10 Milliarden ( Billion) Marks equaling one new Renten Pfennig. So it was nice to find a first day of use inland Drucksache( printed matter.

I have to rush now to go get some other things organised for this evening. But I will be back later and try to explain in detail about some of the other covers.

Meanwhile if anyone has any questions about the ones shown in the album link above please do quote the scan number and I'll try and answer you when I'm back in a few hours time.

Apologies in advance for the rather longer than intended post.

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-17-07 at 01:14:27 PST

... as per yesterdays news on CNN, 35.5 Million US citizens did not had had enough money to buy food at leased one day in 2006.
I must admit, also the poor are rising in Germany. This only to "as we call in Germany", to take the wind out of the sail of your competitor...

Posted by zgs501 ( 306

) on Nov-16-07 at 17:04:13 PST

Oh brother.

Posted by lluehhhb ( 309

) on Nov-16-07 at 17:03:45 PST

Jim,

Thank you for your words, altough I'm not even close to the earthquake center. It could have been a lot worse.

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-16-07 at 16:49:03 PST

iomoon
OK, I think about the poor souls in Chile and Bangladesh. How this thinking is going to help them?

IMO, better preparation for natural disasters is the personal responsibility of the people living in dangerous regions. Relegating this responsibility to the government or hoping for "international aid" will only lead to more, unnatural disasters.

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-16-07 at 16:44:55 PST

I'm Not Fpnda Jane myself.

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-16-07 at 16:43:09 PST

vasias:

"True-blood anti-communist" is right on!
This is the best compliment I received in quite a while.
Thank you!

May I remind you that you cannot p;ossibly decide for me, what is "too far", how to think, and what to say? Last time i checked, I was in the US, not in the Soviet Union, and the freedom of speech was in our Constitution.

(eBay, FYI, is exactly an American money-bag creation: it's been created for profit by the bunch of investing capitalists).

You too, by any chance, collect "Che Guevara, my God and Fuerer" topic?

Posted by iomoon ( 1055

)

on Nov-16-07 at 16:16:09 PST

Woohoo

It's finally Thanksgiving break.
A week's earned rest and web site catching-up after not having a mid-semester break.

With all this political and sociological bickering, think about the poor souls in Chile and Bangladesh. One with major earthquakes and the other with a devastating hurricane.

Posted by vasias ( 242

) on Nov-16-07 at 15:34:01 PST

Afeft,

you have gone too far. Without siding with the original comments regarding the environmentalist issues, I can definitely say that, despite your anti-authoritarian rhetoric, you definitely appear as a true-blood anti-communist, reactionary. Be it American, or German, or Greek, or whatever. Personally, I do not understand why this has to be part of a stamp board, but let it be...

Two points: Ebay and internet owe their existence to the honest work of American (and possibly foreign nationals) workers, not to any Americal moneybag.
If the Europeans owe something to someone regarding World War II, they owe it to the Soviet Union and its 20 million killed heroes, not to the USA and its quite late entry into the war. No twisting of facts can alter this reality.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-16-07 at 15:32:58 PST

OK OK TIME TO GET BACK TO STAMPS or I'll quit coming on here if this continues ,just can't find these personel fights interesting ......This is a stamp board .

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-16-07 at 15:28:00 PST

AFEHT Your right about JAYWILD and got him figured right .He enjoys insulting and disrupting this board .

Someone should tell you how he ranted and raved about my statement that a major change was coming in the financial markets .Four days after my statement the Federal Reserve made a about face and the markets turned .

This same posting clown went nuts about a statement that I said that to GO-TO-CASH and two months later we got into the mortgage crisis and wild swinging markets ,so from past experience becareful of this indivual ,he loves to insult people even when you don't address him or his two other stooges ........becareful he doesn't take his medicine before he posts .

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-16-07 at 14:41:23 PST

Jaywild,

The only things I know about Rainer are those he wrote about himself on his "me" page. Facts of his biography make things very clear, one doesn't need any "personal peeves" to assess them.

Off base? I don't think so. Judging by your and Knud's reaction, it's a bull's eye.

Rainer ventured to say that he doesn't understand my sharp reaction to his unsolicited, unprovoked environmentalist, anti-American statement that insulted me. I hope now he understands, at least, that his geopolitical assumptions are not shared by everyone.

And it would do you a lot of good, too, to understand that what you consider "polite" and "civil" can be extremely insulting to the people who think and live differently.

Posted by poppadawg ( 769

)

on Nov-16-07 at 14:22:21 PST

Jaywild: the address in Manila is valid.

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-16-07 at 14:08:53 PST

poppadawg… If you notice, the sender of your Challenger cover is also the recipient, so I think it is not a true “returned” cover but one that was sent to a fictitious address in order to get such a marking.

I don’t have any suggestions about how to list it. I am unfamiliar with the market for event covers. I generally start my listings at 99 cents—the listing fees are cheapest!

Jim

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-16-07 at 14:06:35 PST

poppadawg -

Well it was mailed in Atascadero, CA and returned to the same address 8 months later. Probably the closest it got to Challenger was when Challenger flew over the letter somewhere between Atascadero and Manila.

Roger

Posted by iomoon ( 1055

)

on Nov-16-07 at 14:01:04 PST

poppadawg

George F. Baier III, '34M, of Atascadero, Calif., died on April 3, 1992. A retired community health physician, Dr. Baier was 83.

Col. George F. Baier, 111, MC, Report of Inspection of the Medical Activities of the Thirteenth Air Force, 11 Dec. 1943, Exh. 2, Days Lost per 1OO Flying Officers per Month.

Posted by poppadawg ( 769

)

on Nov-16-07 at 12:52:58 PST

NOIP: I need some advice before I list this. I do know that it is from the first flight of the Challenger...the same one lost on Jan.28,1986. I believe the cover to be unique...certainly in the franking but also because it was returned to sender. Philatelic in nature? Probably. What would seem to be a likely start price? Anything particular I should note in the description? Any other suggestions for listing? Thanks in advance. Dennis

Posted by philaweb ( 318

)

on Nov-16-07 at 12:00:15 PST

Good Morning/Day/Afternoon/Evening!

T.G.I.F. ~ Work weekend coming up.

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-16-07 at 11:50:42 PST

Rainer -
I'm curious why you now think the cover is double weight?

It is possible though. A double weight letter would cost 30 + 20 = 50 centimes + 40 for registration = 90 centimes franking on the cover. So the clerk didn't add the overland surcharge, which in this case would actually be 50 centimes.

When weight was an issue the Swiss always marked the covers with the weight in manuscript, ie. "22gms", "47gms", or in older days manuscript "2" for double weight. My guess is the vertical line is likely to be blue, being an indication of registration typical of British PO style.

It would be helpful to see a color scan of the cover rather than a xerox copy.

Roger

Posted by knuden ( 2394

)

on Nov-16-07 at 11:07:55 PST

jaywild - I total agree with you in this issue!!

K.E

I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

Posted by djs127 ( 629

)

on Nov-16-07 at 10:19:48 PST

I ran out of photo mailers this week and wondered if anyone on the board has a good supplier who has them for a good price.
I find them very useful for mailing sheets of stamps.
David Snyder

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-16-07 at 10:08:16 PST

afeht… Perhaps you need to step back and take a look at what you are doing. You have made the most bombastic, wrong assessment of Rainer (22028) imaginable. Sounds like you’ve got some personal peeves getting in the way of an ability to see clearly.

Same goes for your treatment of mini*lindy. You are way off-base.

Jim

Posted by hdcalame ( 57

) on Nov-16-07 at 09:58:56 PST

I am interested in finding someone who would like some canceled stamps from Hong Kong, Thailand, etc. I've been getting packages from these locals with my ebay orders and they often have their postage paid with stamps. I don't need them, I am not a collector. I will send them to you for the asking. First come, first served. Thanks. Email name and address to hdcalame@yahoo.com.

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-16-07 at 06:29:56 PST

Quote from Rainer: "I had NEVER encountered such a reaction in my whole life... and I have seen many things, places and people in my life so far."

Rainer,

I see that you genuinely don't understand what happened. I'll try to explain in nicest possible terms, OK?

You are a philatelist - therefore, by definition, you are able to concentrate, to be patient, and to think methodically. In order to understand this particular conflict, you would have to really open your mind, to think out of the box -- if only for a moment.

You've seen much of the world, granted - but as a corporate functionary, as a state official. I also lived and worked in many countries (Muslim ones included). But I always have been a loner, an independent contractor, or a dissident persecuted by the state. I despise authority. I never had a boss. I never wear a tie, except as a musician on the stage. A thought of working for some corporation in a permanent position for the sake of security and/or benefits is repulsive to me. The very idea of working under a contract with Saddam's murderous regime or of collaborating with North Korean vampires would be unthinkable to me. I refuse to visit San Francisco, leave alone China!

You symbolize everything that I fought against all my life, and keep fighting: state, establishment, socialism, mandatory compassion, tolerance toward dictators and dictatorships, helping the weak, the sick, and the wicked, punishing the strong, the able and the noble, mocking and denigrating heroism, talent, and individual achievement, perverting harmony, liberty and beauty, exalting mediocrity, bureaucracy and coercion.

New environmental state religion that hes nothing to do with reality but everything to do with the UN power grab, with the triumph of irresponsible, irrational corruption of feeding frenzy over the rotting corpse of a hapless taxpayer, over the pitiful ruins of scientific truth and logic -- it is a part of my deadly enemy, I will not tolerate it's presence, and I will not give it an inch.

Now you see? Our backgrounds are not only incompatible, they are explosively mutually exclusive. Something that seems a natural, normal assumption to you brings a storm of insult and suffering to me. Something that you call "tolerance" is "persecution" to me. Something "progressive" to you is "obscurantism" to me. Something you think of as "greater good for greater number of people" to me is triumphant fascism in emperor's new clothes.

I don't hope to change your mind or to convince you in anything. I doubt that you will understand that I am not an American patriot -- such as me can't be a patriot of anything. I only hope that you would be careful not to assume, from now on, that everybody on this planet belongs to your cultural species. There be tigers in the jungle, there be wolves in the woods -- always -- if only to keep the obedient sheep on their guard...

Aside from all that, you are, probably, the friendliest possible person, a square guy all around.

Sei mir gegrüßt!

Posted by jimbo ( 417

)

on Nov-16-07 at 06:29:17 PST

gayres01,
I neglected to note that Step 3 is only applicable to US stamps. Foreign stamps have not yet (AFAIK) entered the new world of professional grading. Experienced collectors who are involved in having stamps graded are already capable of making a good guess as to the expected grade before submitting a stamp for grading.

jimbo

Posted by jimbo ( 417

)

on Nov-16-07 at 06:24:14 PST

gayres01,
Your question is more complicated than you might think. I'll try to give you a comprehensive answer without the details.

Step 1 is to understand the factors in grading stamps. Get hold of a Scott Catalogue (available at most public libraries)and read and study the introductory material regarding Grade and Condition. This will help you understand the factors which must be taken into account to provide an overall grade for stamps. You also need to study the rest of the introductory material to understand how to identify the stamp.

Step 2 is to apply this material to evaluate the stamps you have. To do this well may require a considerable effort to first identify the stamps and then to assess them for condition and grading them. These first two steps are probably all that is needed to sell the stamps on eBay.

Step 3 is to determine which stamps would benefit from professional grading. I use the term professional because only professional grading has much worth. It is provided by two organizations for a price determined by the value of the stamp. It includes identification of the stamp, making note of the condition, and providing a photographic record as well as an overall grade. Number grades sometimes with alphabetic modifiers are given like 95J which would be reserved for an outstanding flawless copy of a stamp with near perfect jumbo margins. Only stamps of uncommon quality benefit from such grading. Stamps with flaws or clearly off-center will not benefit.

There may be a short circuit to this process depending on your objective. If your objective is to convert the collection to cash, then you probably can skip consideration of grading. If the collection shows evidence of having been acquired at considerable expense (auction lot receipts, purchases from major dealers, for significant $s - >$50 -$100) then you probably need someone very knowledgeable to help you. A visit to a dealer/auctioneer with membership in American Philatelic Society and/or American Stamp Dealers' Association could probably help. A talk with a knowledgeable local collector would help prepare you for such a discussion and confirm your judgement. You can probably find someone like that with a visit to a meeting of a local stamp club.

If, on the other hand, the collection represented the incoming home and office mail from friends and family, it is unlikely to have great value. You could then proceed through steps 1 and 2. You may find that collecting stamps is a fascinating hobby with lifelong rewards. Your inheritance may be an indication that the owner thought you might enjoy the hobby.

You will find additional information by using the links in the Yellow Box further down this page. Good luck!

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-16-07 at 06:17:22 PST

Yesterdays discussion on the Swiss letter to Iraq took a turning point today and the collector friend who informed me about the postage rates from Switzerland to Iraq were wrong (typing error). The correct description is here..., however, as you can read, the mysteries are not yet solved...
http://fuchs-online.com/overlandmail/01_eastwards_Switzerland.htm

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1427

)

on Nov-16-07 at 05:57:07 PST

Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all

afeht
The British lots you have up do look to be pretty heavy on cancels. That would be fine with me if there were Irish cancels, but…

gayres01
Welcome! :8^ )
The yellow box has a lot of information for people who are new to stamps. You would probably benefit from several of the links. I’d recommend that first you get to know more about the stamps you’ve inherited. Usually the stamps that have value are very scarce and one can have thousands of stamps of very little value. Most of the time for a collection to have a high value considerable money was spent in assembling the collection. Collections done on the cheap usually have very little cash value, but represent a tremendous time of pleasure and relaxation. I’d not worry much about grading until you’re ready to sell them.

Jim L.

member

Posted by gayres01 ( 0 ) on Nov-16-07 at 05:17:00 PST

Hello all.
I just wanted to know if there is any way I can get the stamps we have graded for little or nothing expense. We inherited thousands of stamps, covers etc. wondering which ones would be worth our time to grade etc. Any help or direction advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-16-07 at 02:38:52 PST

Here are the other perf. varities that make up the complete set less the rare two stamps that catalog above $10,000 MNH each . OTHER VARITIES OF PERFS

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-16-07 at 02:16:12 PST

CATALOG makers ----Album makers,

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-16-07 at 02:13:24 PST

should add the 35 rp is so rare MNH the catalog makers don't include it in the albums.JUST FOR THE RECORD .

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-16-07 at 02:08:15 PST

DAVID B. Agree with you that the finest LIECHTENSTEIN collections are found in Europe.It is rare to see this quality outside of Europe and especially in complete sets .The top quality material always sells at or above U.S. prices .LIECHTENSTEIN perf. var.11 1/2 ......paul

Posted by knuden ( 2394

)

on Nov-16-07 at 01:56:45 PST

Mitchell - I'm not sure about your your Scott # 24a but I think it's worth getting a certificate.
As seeing on this page of mine, you will se that the overprints each has a small variation (which make it more easy to plate the stamps.
A proof of the overprint can be seen here in black and red.
You can see the known fake overprints from my Monograph
(yes I'm not only a catalog queen but a Monograph queen too *grin*) - page 1 - page 2- page 3 - page 4.
I hope this can be of any help. :O)

K.E

I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-16-07 at 00:15:20 PST

Mitchell -
Tell her, "aloha", from me. I screen people every day with single and double knee replacments. Some even have a hip as well. She'll just have to get used to being screened every time she flies. )'>) We also have golfers, and Ironmen, with metal knees and hips. Not such a big deal as in years past.

Roger

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-16-07 at 00:13:07 PST

Any my Iraq Railway Pages are updated, considering the confirmed location of Ghuchan.
http://fuchs-online.com/iraq/postal_history/Stations/Ghuchan.htm
And the Index page with the "Whats New" items: http://fuchs-online.com/iraq

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-16-07 at 00:08:47 PST

antonius-ra, everything fine for me, it was somehow a very amusing and astonishing experience..., I had NEVER encountered such a reaction in my whole life... and I have seen many things, places and people in my life so far.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 652

)

on Nov-15-07 at 22:49:14 PST

Alex The pages shown for Russia are of course just a sampling of the collection (3 volumes). I usually just scan a few better pages (mostly earlies) or ones I just like very mcuh. Doing the whole thing would take for ever.
I also have a fair showing in the other countries you mentioned.
I was happy to add 1 of the 4 German semi postals I was missing (through 1990) yesterday.
I don't really specialize in anything. Just basically a determind space filler for the world.
The World of Stamps

Might be my last post for the evening. I need to finish redoing my "Small European country" needlist and off to bed.
Need to return again tomorrow to the hospital to pick up my fiancee. She had double full knee replacements on Tuesday.
She is an R.N. but it looks like I'll be the nurse for the next several weeks.

Posted by dbenson ( 8703

)

on Nov-15-07 at 22:44:44 PST

Mitch, re the Eastern Silesia,

that is one of the stamps that is presumed guilty and has to be proven genuine which is extremely difficult and unlikely. I think it would a waste of effort and money to even contemplate the genuineness unles it came with a certificate when you acquired it.

re. the Liechtenstein, it all depends on what you see as the most important criteria, is it the centering, the condition or because it is mnh. To most collectors of Leichtenstein (which are in Europe) it would be the latter two. The most important criteria would be the condition, followed by mint never hinged then the centering.

David B.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 652

)

on Nov-15-07 at 22:37:10 PST

Bill Thanks for the input. I'll look into those points. It is hard for me to imagine why someone would bother overprinting a common minimal value stamp and end up with the same.

Hi Lindy Hope all is well and you and Alex can get beyond your first encounter <:~`)
I would hope that also will be the case with Rainer
I think most of us have realised that discussing politics or related topics don't really work well on the board.

I think it is also safe to say that the board is free of Nazis and anti Semites (well, at least the Jewish faction of the term).

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 22:33:49 PST

Mitchell,

Unfortunately, I sold all my Russian duplicates in several large lots during the last two years. But I saved your desiderata page, and will let you know if anything comes up.

Actually, your Russian collection looks better than mine. I never specialized in Russia or US, just saving whatever was coming my way, one of each number (Russia pre-1956, US pre-1940). I do specialize somewhat in France, Germany, and GB, though not on the level of Penny Black plates and plate faults. My best collection is, probably, France, where I among major numbers I am missing only 1849 1f vermilion (can't afford it) and three or four extremely expensive early air mails and dues.

Posted by billsey ( 855

) on Nov-15-07 at 22:22:37 PST

Mitch, I'm sorry to say I don't really like either of your Eastern Silesia overprints, though the expensive one looks better than the cheap one. I've got a lot of these, and the shape of the O, the shape of the 1 & 2 and the overall cleanliness of the impression are what I've used to separate the good from the bad. I don't have my Czechoslovakia scanned yet, though at least they're not still in boxes. :-) I looked through my black overprints and they all show the bottom serifs on the 1 completely, they all show the tail of the 2 looking more like your cheap one. The only ones I've got with poor impressions like your cheap one are the reds, which didn't seem to print as well as the blacks and blues.

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 22:21:59 PST

Re: Pink Floyd

No. I don't have Pulse DVD yet, will look into it.

On An Island contains some interesting new music by Gilmour, IMO -- though it's more "Blue Velvet" than "Pink Floyd."

Posted by antonius-ra ( 652

)

on Nov-15-07 at 22:20:44 PST

Alex Ditto on the Shepherd, I do not plan to ever be without one. I've had some back luck the last couple years though. I lost one to a hit and run and another to the old spinal problem. The one in the picture just turned 1 year old, last week.
I was going to give your stamp site a look also. I suspect you might have a Russian stock. I collect it through 1990 and am trying to fill the last affordable gaps.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 519

)

on Nov-15-07 at 22:09:32 PST

Good News,Rainer, always exciting to find yet another piece to fit the puzzle.

Linda

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 22:06:05 PST

Mitchell,

And I cannot live without a German Shepherd, too! (Though I couldn't tell Ford Crown Victoria from Russian Volga.)

Posted by antonius-ra ( 652

)

on Nov-15-07 at 22:05:28 PST

Alex Grin! If I had to pick a favorite song, that would be it.
The DVD Pulse is awesome and well worth getting if you do not already have it.

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 22:00:43 PST

off-senter=off-center
Damned Russian habit to type words as they are pronounced.

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 21:59:47 PST

...is ridiculous by any standards (it is woefully off-senter, anyway).

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 21:58:29 PST

antonius,

You can listen to MP2 samples on through links on the Amazon page.

I am a "classical" (whatever it means these days) composer but I like some pieces by Pink Floyd, especially this version of Comfortably Numb. Actually, it is interesting that this board tends toward Pink Floyd, because if anybody would ask me, what kind of "modern" music I prefer, I would say that I am a Floyd-head with some Beatles in a back pocket.

Yes, that price on Liechtenstein

Posted by antonius-ra ( 652

)

on Nov-15-07 at 21:44:11 PST

Alex Yes, you are probably correct. It is probably a Scott 102a. Still it cats at around 40% of the other.

Visited your mepage and it was quite intersting. I tried sampling your music but ended up on a buy page for Amazon (I think). We talk about music here on occasion and at times have had people list their favorites. #1 on the list always seems to be Pink FLoyd.
By the way welcome to the EUSC.

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 21:30:39 PST

Liechtenstein 1930 50 Rp MLH and NH: perforation seems to be different.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 652

)

on Nov-15-07 at 21:23:02 PST

Sheesh!!! Anyone see much difference in these two stamps besides the price.
1
2
The cheaper one is NH the other LH. Cat on the NH is over 4 times more.
What are some of these guys thinking?

Posted by sneeky37 ( 236

)

on Nov-15-07 at 21:08:11 PST

due2cents
Now those are real "old salts"
Nice card, with some good Franking on it. Its a "Keeper " for sure

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-15-07 at 20:44:22 PST

SNEEKY

Here they are a Machinist and a Gunner

HERE

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-15-07 at 20:42:07 PST

Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-15-07 at 20:31:36 PST

NOIP… EBay seems to be cracking up—it took five minutes to put an item on my “Watch” list, and the board disappeared for a time.

And yes sneeky, good to see you posting.

Jim

Posted by sneeky37 ( 236

)

on Nov-15-07 at 20:29:45 PST

due2cents
Here is this Old Geezer, when returning from Fr. Morocco, lot of waves have washed on shore since then.

Posted by sneeky37 ( 236

)

on Nov-15-07 at 20:21:30 PST

due2cents
Can't find your USS Colorado ?? Can you post a link??

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-15-07 at 19:58:15 PST

It already made my day..., i have received from UK some scans from a 1924 railway magazine regarding the railway in Iraq. I got now the location of the Railway station Ghuchan confirmed..., will update the page later today.
http://fuchs-online.com/iraq/postal_history/Stations/Ghuchan.htm

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-15-07 at 19:41:21 PST

Sneeky
you see my Request for transfer
From the USS John Adams
to the USS Constitution

Approved

VOORHEES
and REID

1833 Mahon

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-15-07 at 19:38:54 PST

Sneeky

Check out my USS Colorado
PPIE Model post office snag

Guy was wearing a GUN POINTER Badge

how coolis that.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 652

)

on Nov-15-07 at 19:14:32 PST

Jake Don't let that bother you, I don't seem to either.

Posted by sneeky37 ( 236

)

on Nov-15-07 at 19:08:05 PST

Mitch
Will pass your regards along to CC.
I stop by most nites to check out the board, just don't have anything worth posting most nites.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 652

)

on Nov-15-07 at 19:05:29 PST

Anyone (possibly Knuden or D.B.) I was reworking my needlist and came across this
in the margin of my album. I must have put it there not knowing what it was. Well, I see now that it would be Scott # 24a.
I was wondering what the possibilities of it being legit are and what the Michel cat number is and current value.
The overprint seems to compare pretty well with this common one.
Might it be worth expertizing or just through it up for auction and see what happens.

By the way I have never claimed to be an expert in any field of philately. Nor have I every claimed to even be a philatelist unless of course one uses the standard definition of the word.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 652

)

on Nov-15-07 at 18:54:15 PST

Hiya Jake Good to see you are still around as well. You must visit us more often!
Say hello to Ms. Mouse for me

Posted by sneeky37 ( 236

)

on Nov-15-07 at 18:29:03 PST

Hi Mitch
See your still around and Kicking LOL

Posted by antonius-ra ( 652

)

on Nov-15-07 at 18:24:18 PST

Matthew I guess my memory must be failing. I seem to remember that stamp (Sweden 1a) being sold to a consortium of 100 who bought shares. I thought the total price was around $6,000,000. Perhaps that was a plan that did not find enough investors and failed.

Posted by sneeky37 ( 236

)

on Nov-15-07 at 18:20:21 PST

jaywild
Jim would have been real nice if that Thresher cover and Star cover had a clear strike on the cancel.
Thanks for posting them, it was worth the Heads up to check them out.

Posted by matthew1999 ( 176

)

on Nov-15-07 at 16:07:41 PST

richintalent the Swedish Treskilling yellow (error of color - it was meant to be green) that Paul mentions was "sold" for that amount but the buyer couldn't pay. It is still "for sale" at that price, if you have the cash you can buy it.
Other stamps over $1 million are the British Guiana (unique) 1 cent magenta, which may or may not be real and may or may not have a twin that may or may not be real, and a couple of the Mauritius Post Office 2d blues. As of last night there is a new record for a U.S. stamp, Siegel sold one of the best quality Inverted Jenny (24 cents with upside-down airplane) singles for $977,500.
After single stamps, you have much higher prices on some rare blocks, famous covers, etc. too numerous to mention here.

22028, I have another theory, the postal clerk had bad eyesight and thought the 30Rp was a 50Rp. Somebody drew a line separating the 10Rp from the others, maybe thinking the cover was overpaid or perhaps indicating that the 10Rp paid something else again (late fee perhaps?)
Just a wild guess. That line is odd.

Mh

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-15-07 at 16:01:35 PST

D2… Congratulations on the new milestone, 8700. Next stop is a shooting star, isn’t it>

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-15-07 at 15:51:01 PST

Hello my friend Paolo! My last post was not mean to castigate or insult anyone, just a mild attempt to point out what seemed to me inconsistencies. I have no doubt some people are made uncomfortable by slashing, take-no-prisoners exchanges on this board, and they are fully entitled to feel that way. Personally I just skip the flaming rhetoric, the way I would pay no attention to a dog barking in a yard along the street. Not my problem!

My original post, lost way back now in the mists of time (yesterday, actually) was meant to poke fun in a similar vein at the definition advanced here of “catalog queen”, and who might be more guilty of such queenism (?) than others.

☺

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-15-07 at 15:40:36 PST

NOIP… For those of you interested in Navy covers, included in this lot is one from the Thresher, signed by its first Commander, Dean Axene. Philatelic, yes, but also pretty interesting.

For those non-Americans, Thresher was a nuclear submarine lost off the US Atlantic coast in 1963 on a sea trial owing to a series of small failures which lead to the ship being unable to surface. It was big news over here at the time.

Jim

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 15:33:18 PST

There is an old joke popular among Russian stamp collectors.
I will risk an English translation:

A husband comes home late, drunk as usual.

His wife excoriates him as usual: "Again you are plastered, bombed, roaring drunk! Why can't you be like all normal people? Look around! Look at our quiet neighbor, the syphilitic, for example. When he has free time he doesn't climb into the bottle! He sits at home and does his syphilitic things with his friends, all quiet and sober syphilitics like him..."

There is a loud banging through the wall, and a muffled voice:
"How many times can I repeat: I am NOT a SYPHILITIC! I am a PHILATELIST, you silly woman, a PHILATELIST!!!"

Posted by dbenson ( 8703

)

on Nov-15-07 at 14:54:16 PST

Paolo,

do the judges wear black when they pronouce the verdict or do they just give a " thumbs down " decision,

David B.

Posted by vonbag ( 207

)

on Nov-15-07 at 14:40:02 PST

ehm, err... ouch... your "last" post of Nov-15-07 at 08:50:17 PST

To avoid misunderstandings!

Tata for now,
Dr. Hannibal Lecter

Posted by vonbag ( 207

)

on Nov-15-07 at 14:29:06 PST

"exeprtise" = expertise

This word should let the selected resident Catalogue Queen (which shall remain unnamed until nominated and tattooed with fictional fire of this title) meditate on its own philatelic whereabouts!!!
But no-one is guilty before trial and being convicted by a jury, as the kind and sweet Tomás de Torquemada reminded me mentally: it has to be preceded by torture, according to him.
;-)

Posted by vonbag ( 207

)

on Nov-15-07 at 14:12:46 PST

Jim (Jaywild),
I liked you last post, as anything else you write for that matter, also in Your philatelic field of exeprtise, where I would not dare to venture.
However, you make it simple to understand, in some occasions a vivid expression of the concept 'Castigat Ridendo Mores'.
You hit the nail on the head, in this case as usual!
Ignorance is the subject of discussion, although radicated hypocrisy was never named: it is and will remain a factor, unfortunately.
I am familiar with a certain hyper-technical forum, where it can be discussed about aviation in general, and plane crash investigations or innuendos there about.
Those posts you depicted as ridiculous on this board, have a strikingly similar equivalent on other boards/ forums on totally different subjects.
Those pathetic kind of posts are also put down by the more experienced posters of the boards in question, regularly.
But here there's no stinkin moderator, is there?

All the best,
Paolo (10 +)

(Where you see smoke, nearby there could be a fire... and roasted meat)

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-15-07 at 13:42:06 PST

RICHINTALENT -------There is no straight answer to your question ,but the highest dollar amount offered for a stamp and it was turn down was $3,560,000 for the Sweden 1855 3 s orange .In the last few years maybe something went higher but thats my info.

Posted by mendelbrot ( 45

)

on Nov-15-07 at 13:36:57 PST

Greetings to you all

Michel

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-15-07 at 13:32:57 PST

Rich -
Check eBay listings for "Rare stamp", and you wil have a choice of many and reach your own conclusion. LOL

Roger

Posted by richintalent ( 147

)

on Nov-15-07 at 12:43:02 PST

How does one tell a forgery from a genuine stamp? I have several very old stamps from Persia which look fine to my untrained eye, but a local expert said they were probably forgeries. I'm still hanging on to them simply for that fact- they cost me nothing, so I lost nothing. Also I got a pleasant surprise in the form of several nice cancelled stamps from my ancestral home of Wurttemburg. Finally, not counting US zeppelins or the two-penny black or inverted Jennies, what today is THE single rarest, most valuable stamp in the world?

Rich

Posted by dbenson ( 8703

)

on Nov-15-07 at 11:10:54 PST

22028,

it seems highly unlikely that the Swiss PO knew what the premium for the land carriage from Egypt to Baghdad was and the sender was just guessing. The Swiss wouldn't have added a Tax marking and the Egyptian PO wouldn't have known the Swiss postage rates and sent the letter on it's way,

David B.
David B.

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-15-07 at 11:06:09 PST

Rainer -
David is correct about the selling price of the Pro Juventute stamps.
The charity fee was collected, but not shown on the stamps until 1937. It is possible the clerk made an accounting error since the sender paid Sf1.25 for stamps with a the face value of Sf0.90, the postage on the cover.

5 (+5)
10 (+5)
20 (+5)
30 (+10)

These additional fees had been collected since 1913, though not shown on the stamp.

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-15-07 at 11:01:29 PST

Jim, invitation accepted..., will keep you posted about the developments, my change (if) will take place only next year, my older daughter is graduating in June here in Abu Dhabi and a change now is not advisable..

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-15-07 at 10:54:13 PST

David, I believe, I am the very first collector who studies the eastward bound postage rates in relation to the overland mail. In the past only references in the various publications were known, but no one calculated the postage rate. Lets see what other surprises i will find..., nice talking to you, have to go now...

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-15-07 at 10:53:07 PST

Rainer… If your travels for work ever bring you to Los Angeles, California I would be most happy to take you out to dinner.

Jim

Posted by dbenson ( 8703

)

on Nov-15-07 at 10:50:42 PST

22028,

back to square one,

David B.

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-15-07 at 10:43:08 PST

David, so the stamps were sold at a higher price then the franking value. But the value on the stamps shown is the real franking value. So 10 Rappen are missing, unless the postage fee structure has changed which I do not know yet.

Posted by dbenson ( 8703

)

on Nov-15-07 at 10:35:34 PST

22028, no, it wasn't until 1937 the amount of the franking value & the amount that went to charity was shown.

I have just read Gibbons and it states that there was a premium prior to 1937 which is not shown and the amount shown is the franking value so that cannot be the reason. It is most probably the philatecicness of the cover (new word I just made up),

David B.

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-15-07 at 10:27:13 PST

David, I am by no means a Swiss specialist but I know that any amount for charity would have been mentioned on the stamps, or? Like 10 Rappen + 5 Rappen...

Posted by dbenson ( 8703

)

on Nov-15-07 at 10:15:37 PST

22028,

re the Switzerland to Baghdad cover, are you taking into account the amount of the face value that went to charity and had no franking value.

David B.

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-15-07 at 09:09:37 PST

Sheet music

Posted by jaywild ( 1020

)

on Nov-15-07 at 08:50:17 PST

NOIP… My, what a battleground today…

IMO writing posts that complain about the fights on the board is just another jab in the conflict. It’s like listening to fundamentalists argue with atheists—two dogs fastened on each other’s tail and going round and round in the same dumb circle.

If you are truly discouraged about arguments on the board and want to keep the discussion on stamps, post something about stamps. There are no points awarded for high-mindedness or lofty purpose. Last I heard, the people that pass out the Nobel Peace Prizes don’t even know this board exists.

☺

Jim

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-15-07 at 08:40:22 PST

That's philately. After having received the Swiss postage rates for mail to Iraq during 1920 - 1940 I have another problem that the apparently only known cover only is not correctly franked or the Overland Mail surcharge had been changed.
http://www.fuchs-online.com/overlandmail/01_eastwards_Switzerland.htm

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 08:03:02 PST

Thank you, Paolo! Your 'me' page is beautiful and interesting, IMO. Glad to make your acquaintance!

I also collect classic Italian stamps (pre-Mussolini) but I am by no means a specialist in this area, and there are many difficulties for me, particularly with fakes and re-prints.

Post tenebras lux?
Ehen!

Sorry to sound pessimistic but, as Michelangelo says,

Che val che tanto lume altrui prometta,
S'anzi vien morte, e senza alcun refugio
Ferma per sempre in che stato altri assale?

Posted by vonbag ( 207

)

on Nov-15-07 at 07:41:02 PST

... and, unlike many dealers, you have a nice 'me page'!
;-)

Funnily, somewhere down there I was going to write 'Ich habe es nicht gewusst' along with some other 'things' in a particular context, but -- I must say fortunately -- this time my fingers refrained from typing it at the right place/time.
There has been mass conformism also in forgetting.
But everything is changing, hopefully.
Post tenebras lux!

Ciao,
Paolo

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 07:26:10 PST

I meant, "we are greener and pinker than thou"

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 07:24:16 PST

knuden,

Actually, the story on the page you linked made my blood boil again: what a nation-wide, uniform hatred Germans are capable of! No other nation, neither Russians nor Americans, were ever as united in their prejudices as Germans were -- and still are, considering their "we are greener and pinker than though" modern stance.

I know, Russians committed innumerable atrocities, and Americans treated their best poet, Alan E. Poe, like a piece of dirt...

Still, no nation in the world can compare with the East Germans' 85% participation in mutual Stasi informing. This methodical, disciplined mass conformism: allein auf weiter Flur steht Deutschland!

Posted by vonbag ( 207

)

on Nov-15-07 at 07:19:48 PST

Sorry, in my previous I accidentally neglected to include a salutation to Knud-Erik in the reconciliation proposal!

Afeht,
I know too few about GB stamps to be of any help on this matter, even though I do like those of the Victorian period!
Your GB lots do look very appealing (to my inexperienced eye)!
All the rest, regarding the technicalities of the auctions, seems to be all right as well:
1. ships to worldwide,
2. PayPal accepted,
3. Unconditional return policy,
4. Flawless feedback,
5. more than reasonable S&H cost,
6. good definition images!
....etcetera, etc.
not in any particular order.
Ergo, IMO the bids should come, if not from GB, at least from 'worldwide'.

[To NOIP: ;-) I hereby appoint myself as judge 'super partes' regarding the nomination of 'Catalogue Queen' of the year.
I will make one at the end of December, hopefully with the help of other judges, who yet have to volunteer as members of the commission.
With the strict condition that one judge cannot vote for himself in this contest. Resignation is possible, but will meet my indignation. ;-)
Of course, I already have a preferential candidate to be crowned of this noble title, who has been kept in observation for a long period of time.
This will be the chance for this interesting individual to actually have some kind of a title.
The judgment will be factual, univocal, definitive, and inappellable. ;-)]

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 07:03:44 PST

knuden,

My apologies, I didn't know about 1982 statue! So, it took good honest Düsseldorfers just 37 years to restore the monument to their most famous of compatriots... Dubious achievement.

Still, the "exiled" old statue in Toulon looks truly great, it's a piece of art, whereas the modern statue in Düsseldorf is a terrible, lazy stuff IMO.

Posted by knuden ( 2394

)

on Nov-15-07 at 06:54:04 PST

afeth - "Heine was a Jew, and the Heroische Deutsche Volk still can't bring themselves to erect his statue!"
Wrong!!
Look here from Düsseldorf and here from Hamburg! :O)

K.E

I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

Posted by claghorn1p ( 413

)

on Nov-15-07 at 06:46:38 PST

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Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 06:36:17 PST

Immerhin! Mich wird umgeben
Gotteshimmel, dort wie hier,
Und als Totenlampen schweben
Nachts die Sterne über mir...

If only for these immortal lines, I am ready to forgive Germany a lot. On the other hand, Heine was a Jew, and the Heroische Deutsche Volk still can't bring themselves to erect his statue!

OK, OK, Beethoven and Bach shall redeem German sins, past and future...

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 06:11:50 PST

vonbag,

Watermark fluid under the bridge it is, clear as Rhein ;).

I am more concerned about my Victorian and Edwardian GB lots not selling well. I lowered prices down to 2.5% CV, and still no watchers! I guess most collectors, like me, are missing only a few hard-to-get expensive British stamps, nobody wants common material eny more.

Posted by vonbag ( 207

)

on Nov-15-07 at 05:59:47 PST

Good day to you all my friends!

Sorry, in the past I must have written 'beleive' instead of 'believe' hundreds of times. Henceforth, I won't do it anymore.
Who invented the telephone, the radio, and the first nuclear battery can be found on... Italian stamps! ;-)

My special salutations to Afhet, Linda and Rainer!
I hope everything will be solved for the best and soon be water under the bridge!

Good continuation,
Paolo

Posted by oggilby ( 1238

)

on Nov-15-07 at 05:57:15 PST

Greetings to all from a rainy, soon to be flurrying Central Maryland. WE are philatelists here (catalog queens, too), despite our varying nationalities, political bends (or bents!) and we all have a right to our opinions (no matter how stupid they may be). There is no room here for political diatribes, it's tough enough just to identify stamps at times. Be civil and nice to each other.

"The path of the philatelist is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee." Homage to Jules from "Pulp Fiction" & Ezekiel 25:17, with a little twist from me!

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 05:03:03 PST

22028,

Wernher von Braun was not a "father of the American missile program" (Goddard was), he has been a Saturn engine developer for Apollo program. Practically nobody in America would call von Braun a "good Nazi" (this is the first time I've seen such a term: "good Nazi"?), he was despised for his Nazi past 'til the last day of his life. To this day NASA is more ashamed than proud about him, and tries to make any film footage showing von Braun as short as possible.

Having said this, 22028, I must question your motives again. You made a provocative, unsolicited public statement insulting America, and now you post messages insinuating that somebody denigrates Germany as a nation?

Who, on this board, attacked Germany as a nation? Who are you defending Germany from? What is wrong with you?

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 04:52:41 PST

mini*lindy,

Before posting on an English-language board you should make an effort ,and learn English.

Your inability to communicate is tantamount to a lack of respect toward those you address in your broken, garbled English.

I was born in Siberia, my native tongue is Russian -- but I made an effort to learn a language in which I clearly communicate worldwide.

Calling my posts "garbage talk" is an undeserved insult. You have not contributed anything valuable to this discussion, and yet you appoint yourself a judge of what is valuable and what is not? Who gave you this authority?

I guess I hit the bull's eye with my Che Guevara question... ROFL!

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-15-07 at 04:46:28 PST

And Wernher von Braun was the father of the American missile program, of course a Nazi... but a good Nazi, since he was needed by America..., and who discovered the nuclear technology.., come on, afeth, give your self a break, go hunting in the Rockies...
I like America and their citizens..., just some are a bit nutty...

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-15-07 at 04:44:50 PST

NOIP-----Looks like a good day to stay off the chat room.Plan to work on Bulgaria .A few years back purchase a collection of Bulgaria which had a good run of early issues but what was nice was all the complete sets the collection holds.It will help remove many half or broken sets in my collection .....paul

Posted by mini*lindy ( 519

)

on Nov-15-07 at 04:42:33 PST

afeht, I have refrained from any of your garbage talk, please do not enquire of my political or ethno feelings. I keep such discussions for my friend.

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 04:37:45 PST

mini*lindy,

Aha, and eBay is an American company, and Internet is an American invention. And those who want to exhibit their hatred for America in public can go to thousands of blog pages run by their comrades, and exhibit themselves to their hearts' content.

What is the topic of your stamp collection? "Che Guevara, my God and Fuerer"?

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-15-07 at 04:36:11 PST

Stamps, Oil, History, that all fits in one of my collecting area.
Maybe someone can provide me some answers to the questions on my page?
http://fuchs-online.com/iraq/questions.htm

Posted by mini*lindy ( 519

)

on Nov-15-07 at 04:31:40 PST

BOTTOM LINE
this board belongs to eBay.

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 04:18:52 PST

due2cents,

I eat and sleep in the Asbestos Suit.

Need more global warming here in the Rockies, its bloody cold this year ar nights.

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-15-07 at 04:16:33 PST

Heck I Think we could have oil independence if
we WOULD drill in the Gulf and the Keys

AND yes I live here and Fish them often.
Matter of fact going right now to try and catch lunch.

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-15-07 at 04:13:31 PST

AFETH

We have aan olde saying here
"""
Time for the Asbestos Suit.

The flames are coming hang on
""""

You are not wrong.

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 04:10:41 PST

knuden,

I am extremely shocked to find ubiquitous anti-American provocations here, of all places. I am absolutely fed up with those Europeans who don't remember that they owe Americans their freedom and their very lives, that Americans are still being killed by Islamofascist fanatics, every day, so that those smug, corrupt European welfare recipients could entertain themselves by throwing childish insults at their defenders. Shame on you!

Chernobyl was a Soviet socialist disaster that had nothing to do with the US. Nothing disastrous happened at the Three-Mile Island facility, there was no danger to the public. France, a European country last time I've checked, is the world leader in nuclear energy, and is doing just fine.

Nuclear energy is the cleanest and safest of available resources. Any kind of industrial facility can blow up if mismanaged, and German chemical factories are much more dangerous in this respect than any nuclear electricity-generating facility. Fear of nuclear energy is irrational, religious in nature, and defeats the purpose of environmental protection.

Yes, let us discuss stamps, by all means. As soon as it is clear this board doesn't belong to the European Greem Mob, and that it is not a place for insidious political provocations.

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-15-07 at 04:06:34 PST

And I admit, we Germans have started both wars, not something I am proud of but this is world history and history can not be changed...

Posted by smudger_the_ink ( 1 ) on Nov-15-07 at 04:04:23 PST

afeht

For once stamps123456 (Paul) talks with some sense when he refers to nut-jobs.I guess he must have been thinking of you dear heart.

As for surviving because of America.

WWI started 1914. America arrived 1917.
WW2 started 1939. America arrived 1941.

What happened, someone forgot to wake you up.

With apologies to all those who did not come back from all sides.

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-15-07 at 04:03:13 PST

I have applied at another department of my company for another job. That department is doing a lot of business in USA, especially with mail sorting machines. Well, with a little luck., USA here I come. Guess I will have a lot of fun there..

Posted by smudger_the_ink ( 1 ) on Nov-15-07 at 03:58:21 PST

tast

Posted by knuden ( 2394

)

on Nov-15-07 at 03:55:53 PST

afeht - Behave!
One of the resons we in Europe not are too much happy about nuclear energy is, we remember Chernobyl and Three Mile Island.
Lets us now talk stamps instead.

K.E

I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

Posted by afeht ( 1164

)

on Nov-15-07 at 03:48:06 PST

No, ladies and gentlemen, I will not tolerate any provocative ideological statements (patently false in this particular case), insulting my nation and insulting my intelligence. No.

I do not come here for political discussion or to argue about fashionable dogmas of the environmental religion.

As long as you discuss stamps, I will be politeness itself. As long as you dare to insult my country and to lie about my country in public, you will be insulted back. Tit for tat.

Bring your hatred for America back into your socialist kitchens (surviving only because of Americans).

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-15-07 at 03:41:54 PST

KNUDEN I agree with you ,yesterday was a good example .Told the new poster get the stamp expertized and I showed the 50 cents variety and he claim he had the $37,000.00 variety . We all know the scan he would show would be too small {mine was 600 dpi and that was too small} Then the nut-jobs started on this board with a personal attack .Were was the other poster to stop it ........paul

Posted by smudger_the_ink ( 1 ) on Nov-15-07 at 03:26:27 PST

afeth Repent, Repent you unworthy individual.

You come from the country of the Great Polluter. Do not defame the European.

You have already upset Mrs Knuden who will now sulk for the next hour or two.

Repent, I say.

Larry

Posted by smudger_the_ink ( 1 ) on Nov-15-07 at 03:23:33 PST

test

Posted by mini*lindy ( 519

)

on Nov-15-07 at 03:12:10 PST

afeth any topic is tolerated here, foul language (in any language) is NOT.
And that is eBay's ruling on the boards, all boards.

Prior to posting, please read and familiarize yourself with the eBay Board Usage Policies.

Linda

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-15-07 at 02:57:24 PST

afeth, Tolerance towards others seems not to be your strength.

Posted by afeht ( 1163

)

on Nov-15-07 at 02:52:16 PST

22028,

I didn't complain, and I didn't ask you to accept anything. I told you to shut up.

Verstehen Sie? Halt die Schnauze!

Go away with your ideology and ecochondria. I want to discuss stamps. I don't want to step into your green shit every time I open this board.

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1427

)

on Nov-15-07 at 02:46:21 PST

Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all

Jim L.

member

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-15-07 at 02:07:01 PST

And BTW, the alternative ebay.de board has now moved to its permanent address at:
http://www.briefmarkencafe.de/

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-15-07 at 02:05:44 PST

afeth, if you have done as many philatelic input on this board as i did, i am happy to accept your complain. Here are veterans discussed, religion, wars, food and many other items.

Posted by afeht ( 1163

)

on Nov-15-07 at 02:01:35 PST

22028:

BS. Germany lives off Siberian gas, and refuses to develop nuclear energy. "Energy resources" (if you mean oil and gas) will last for centuries, anyway. And this topic has nothing to do with stamps. We all had enough of enviro hysteria in every other place imaginable, let us keep this new-age religion off this board.

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-15-07 at 01:15:44 PST

Quote of the day:
Would the USA and China implement the same energy efficiency as it is already implemented in Germany (and several other countries in Europe), the energy resources would last for centuries.

Posted by de66 ( 1161

) on Nov-15-07 at 00:44:25 PST

Mini*Who

And I thought Groups and the board were sort of the same, thank you for pointing this out.

D1

Posted by knuden ( 2393

)

on Nov-14-07 at 23:01:47 PST

Does it really matter if we are CATALOG QUEENS, EXPERTS or PHILATELISTS or whatever, as long we help each other??
I'm fed up with this standing arguing of who is who and so on.
What about to move on and talk about what matters - namely the stamps and the use of these.
This is not a kindergarden (even if it's many time looks like) and as far I know, we are grown up's or adults.
Think if all the energi was used on our hobby, instead of nagging on each other.

K.E

I'm a catalog queen, expert and philatelist - whoopee!!

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-14-07 at 22:01:14 PST

WHAT ARE EXPERTS Who is fooling who ,if we are to believe some people experts are people who can read research books and find scans on the internet to link too.This chat room is filled with vocal people who like calling themself stamp experts but you never see their material but they are experts because they know how to read and write in English .

Do you find these people showing their own material ,never ,who cares about owning certificates and saving defective stamps in speciality albums .But they want others to think ,they know a lot about stamps or covers only because they know how to read .

The term CATALOG QUEENS goes back years when these people were calling each other experts because they knew how to read a catalog ,now they have advanced and now purchasing more research books and foreign catalogs and they want to be taken serious here as experts .

If you go with their thinking ,groups like the APS doesn't need experts who show their material or have years and years of collecting the subject to expertize stamps why they should just hire young English majors and sit them in the APS research libary and let them give opions on stamps and covers.

When is somebody going to tell these clowns if you don't own and collect the subject its better to stay quiet . Show the material or shut-up ........self-made experts ,gee have my fill of them ,glad im a stamp collector and its a hobby to me .......

Posted by jaywild ( 1019

)

on Nov-14-07 at 21:00:47 PST

Mitchell… I have a Washington-Franklin identifier on my

page, down among the links at the bottom. The 2¢ types are linked to about 2/3 of the way down the identifier page.

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 1019

)

on Nov-14-07 at 20:52:06 PST

bktekpools… I hope you are not discouraged by the flurry of competing information that has been coming your way. Perhaps it might be simpler to show you the catalog entry for the two stamps. As you can see, both the TYPE I and the TYPE Ia come in the deep rose color, so if you can determine that your stamp is deep rose, you are still no closer to identifying which type you have. I refer you again to this page. Pay attention to the differences between the first two stamps at the left.

If your stamp is the one that Paul linked to, then it is TYPE I.

A good way to stay out of trouble is to avoid catalog queens who give advice, which is a term Paul made up to describe people who run to a catalog to answer a question then don’t bother to read the entire entry before running back with a wrong answer that only serves to confuse everybody. For example, someone who knew nothing about stamp TYPES might mistakenly think, based on a quick scan of a catalog, that a particular TYPE difference was about color, when someone who has bothered to learn all the facts regarding the TYPES would know that they differ in design elements. The first person would be a catalog queen, the second person would be a philatelist.

Hope this helps…

☺

Jim

Posted by matthew1999 ( 176

)

on Nov-14-07 at 20:04:09 PST

I forgot to mention, of course, put the whole thing in an envelope after sandwiching between cardboard.

Posted by matthew1999 ( 176

)

on Nov-14-07 at 20:02:44 PST

jremodern, Hi and welcome to the board. Most philatelic items are easy to ship - just put the item in a glassine or soft plastic envelope or holder and place the whole thing between two stiff pieces of cardboard that are slightly larger than the item itself. Tape around it to stop the item sliding out while in transit - the worst thing would be for the item to acquire a bent corner or edge during shipping! Then just send it first class (or registered and insured if it's over $100 or so). If it's really valuable (in the $1000s) consider FedEx or similar for even more protection and definitely insure for full value.
Conversely, shipping to some non-US countries it's better NOT to register and insure, since this can attract thieves in the mail sorting centers overseas.
Hope this helps,
Mh

Posted by jremodern ( 447

) on Nov-14-07 at 19:50:28 PST

Could someone please offer advice in how to best ship stamps, covers and postcards to buyers. I've been selling on ebay for years but have never sold stamps etc. Would really appreciate some help here!

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1427

)

on Nov-14-07 at 19:45:58 PST

member

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-14-07 at 19:15:04 PST

I was also member of several groups at ebay (and still am) and when ever i got such a message i posted a message on the group just to prevent ebay from closing it. But since the other members at that group, who where even the founding members, did not bother neither, at the end i let the groups die.

Posted by kavendor ( 16

) on Nov-14-07 at 19:12:38 PST

A question to the cover gurus: As a novice collector who is trying to slowly learn the confusing world of US Stamped Envelopes and Wrappers, I find myself banging my head on my desk identifying and rectifying this one:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y194/nfsportscards/HPIM0655.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y194/nfsportscards/HPIM0661.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y194/nfsportscards/HPIM0647.jpg

It appears to me to be U520 or 520D, but the date is too early by several months, and it's on a penalty envelope; not to mention used, which Scott doesn't list. Someone also appears to have gone crazy with the surcharging, both on the front and reverse. I do note that it was sent from the Washington Post Office Department to the Scranton Postmaster, so wondered if it were some sort of early test of the 1 1/2 cent surcharging.

Help? Am I overlooking something simple?

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-14-07 at 19:01:19 PST

Thanks Bill D. a voice of reason.

Posted by wrd3 ( 100

) on Nov-14-07 at 18:52:30 PST

stamps12345 jaywild merely stated you can tell the difference between a type 1 and a type 1a stamp from a scan, without needing color to distinguish the types. I agree with your assertion the stamp would have to be sent for a certificate before it can definitively be said to be a 482A. But, I think it's reasonable to believe it can be identified as NOT a 482A from a good scan showing the relevant characteristics.

bktekpools: my suggestion would be for you to link to a high resolution scan of the stamp. If it looks like it could be a 482A based on the scan you should send it for a certificate. Taking the first step of posting a link to a scan could save you the time, trouble and expense of sending for a certificate on a stamp that is clearly not what you hope.

Bill D.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-14-07 at 18:47:03 PST

SENT IT IN FOR A CERTIFICATE -----how hard is that to understand because no one is qualified to give a opinion on it here unless Bill R. Weiss stops by .

Posted by antonius-ra ( 652

)

on Nov-14-07 at 18:32:15 PST

J.D Sorry that you do not have a 482a to show, (who does) well maybe one guy here. Perhaps you should update your site (for the impaired) and note that different types of W/Fs exsist in different colors/shades, also perforation and watermarks (afraid I do not know what those are).

Posted by antonius-ra ( 652

)

on Nov-14-07 at 18:16:21 PST

Gee, I didn't even know that guy collected U.S. stamps.

bktekpools Welcome to the stamp board. Are you a newbie to stamps as well as the stmp chat?
If so you must understand that most stamps are very cheap. The stamp you are talking about only exsists in a very few known copies. Most "newbies" automatically seem to think when looking at a catalog that the stamp they have is the most valueable one!. This of course is 99.99% of the time incorrect thinking.

I went to visit my very good friend at his stamp shop yesterday. A rich lady called and said she had the only known inverted copies of Scott C13-15. Someone on the internet told her there were only one of each denomination <:~`))
Well he told her to bring them in. Within a half hour her and her husband arrived with the stamps. It took us the best part of the next hour to convince her, they were not.
Actually I'm not sure she was convinced but her husband was after looking at the color catalog pictures.
Moral of the story is: Don't believe everything some jack-leg tells you on the internet.

I was trying to think if there are any inverted Zepps in the world. Couldn't think of any but perhaps there are some inverted Zepp overprints. Can anyone think of any?

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-14-07 at 18:06:00 PST

private posting to ---JAY -------The U.S. catalog says its a differant color and your link shows a differant color .

Also Paul's stamp looks just like a 1a if its match to your link that is posted on this chat board ..... how confusing .....

Posted by jaywild ( 1019

)

on Nov-14-07 at 17:43:55 PST

bktekpools… Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain…

TYPES I & Ia are not distinguished by color, in fact they are easy to identify provided you have decent magnification. Here is how to go about it.

If you can post a link to a large (600 dpi or larger) scan of the stamp someone should be able to help you.

Jim

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-14-07 at 17:34:33 PST

IOMOON -------Here is your decent image ,no its not the $37,000.00 stamp its the .50 variety carmine type1 . Vending machine perforations ....paul

Posted by iomoon ( 1055

)

on Nov-14-07 at 17:23:13 PST

btkpools

N < ----- a capital letter.

shermaktype3.rose.2 <---- capital letter with space after k and commas after 3 and rose looks like Shermak type 3, rose, 2.

Neglecting "beleive" and "intrested".

Slow down and write in English.
The many foreign nationals who read this board do not learn from your illiteracy.

And, yes, no one can tell what you have without a decent image.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-14-07 at 17:16:50 PST

TY/BKTEKPOOLS------Sorry there are only a handful of experts who can identify a TYPE1a from a TYPE 1 .Color is too easy to be played with .A scan isn't helpful because the differance are to minor to surmise which stamp it is .Sent it in for a cert.

Posted by keleofa ( 3600

)

on Nov-14-07 at 17:13:52 PST

bktekpools,

Can you post a link to a scan of the stamp?

Matt in Arizona

Posted by keleofa ( 3600

)

on Nov-14-07 at 17:12:55 PST

Jim (Jaywild),

re: Reading, PA 1896

Thanks for the machine cancel info.

Matt in Arizona

Posted by bktekpools ( 2 ) on Nov-14-07 at 16:22:48 PST

please help newbie identify!!

Posted by bktekpools ( 2 ) on Nov-14-07 at 16:21:06 PST

new to chat found box of old stamps in attic . i am looking at what i beleive as a 482a shermaktype3.rose.2 cent can someone help i have pics if intrested... ty

Posted by philaweb ( 317

)

on Nov-14-07 at 13:35:57 PST

Good Morning/Day/Afternoon/Evening!

Posted by mini*lindy ( 516

)

on Nov-14-07 at 13:17:57 PST

Dave thats an eBay Group,(open only to Group Members), not Board like this, and they close them all the time when not used. Are there no Group Members on there that still use it? Do you? If not, why not? did it run its course?

I have belonged to several eBay Groups over the years, most closed in a year or so.

Bit different to closing the eBay Germany Chat Boards (which are open to all eBayers)

Linda

Posted by jaywild ( 1019

)

on Nov-14-07 at 13:07:02 PST

Matt in AZ… Bob Payne’s George E Barnard’s Invention of a Mail Marking Machine, an exhaustive study, says that Barnard/Barnard-American use was confined to Boston and immediately surrounding area and Washington DC. The killer used in Reading PA is mentioned as having been Barnard’s but it was used on an American electric machine. Therefore the mark is as Hanmer identifies it, an APMC wavy-line cancel.

The guy who would know for sure is Mike Ellingson (mikedak).

Jim

Posted by de66 ( 1161

) on Nov-14-07 at 12:46:40 PST

Another board bites the dust!

I just received this from ebay:

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Posted by dbenson ( 8696

)

on Nov-14-07 at 11:50:54 PST

kavendor,

just a warning, there are a lot of forgeries of early Estonia. It may be best if you linked a scan here of some of the better ones before you list them, someone will give you advice whether they are genuine or not.

It may be simple for you to accept Paypal, it saves a lot of hassle,

David B.

Posted by afeht ( 1163

)

on Nov-14-07 at 11:40:24 PST

kavendor,

I find Michel's Eastern European volume (Ostropa) to be a sufficient reference for most Estonian stamps. Stamps issued in Estonia under German occupation are listed in Michel Germany Specialized (Deutschland Spezial). Useful additional info on Estonian catalog (warning: it is in Estonian language!) and philatelic literature can be found here.

Sometimes European buyers agree to send money orders in US$, though mosto of the time they complain that bank fees for money orders are too high in Europe. Some end up mailing cash (in violation of eBay policy).

Posted by jimbo ( 417

)

on Nov-14-07 at 11:25:41 PST

Rainer,
You've found an interesting collector's copy of an official instruction. I believe that the notation "The labels are lithographed in sheets of 132 11 x 12 and perf. 10." is a giveaway that it was added by the collector when he added the examples. I can't imagine that an official announcement by a postal administration would pay much attention to the philatelic trivia of a service label.

jimbo just my ½¢

Posted by kavendor ( 16

) on Nov-14-07 at 11:00:19 PST

Does anyone know of an online resource for earlier stamps of Estonia? I am a collector of US material, but recently ended up with a packet of what appears to be imperforate mint 1920's (Eesti) stamps inside of a 1930's US cover, and haven't had alot of luck in identifying some of them. Some are rather crudely cut, and a couple have very large margins on one side.

Also, is there any form of payment in US funds (other than Paypal) that a seller can reasonably request of European buyers, that may be verified and cashed with relative ease in the US?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

Posted by dbenson ( 8696

)

on Nov-14-07 at 09:50:37 PST

22028,

no, it is not an instruction, that would presume to make it an official letter, it is a later production made by a collector who transcribed the official announcement onto an album page and added the two labels.

David B.

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-14-07 at 09:42:17 PST

David, I had to take the risk and it was not expensive.., it is worth future research. Maybe the wording "letter" is not correct, it is more a "instruction"...

Posted by dbenson ( 8696

)

on Nov-14-07 at 09:40:11 PST

22028,

on second thoughts with the printing arrangements mentioned at the end of the note makes me certain that it is not an official letter but typed by a collector with the addition of the two labels,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 8696

)

on Nov-14-07 at 09:38:02 PST

22028,

How do you know that it is an original letter and not a later typed copy. I would have thought that the original would be on printed letterhead,

David B.

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-14-07 at 09:31:12 PST

Just sniped on ebay.de
A letter from the Egyptian Post Office in Alexandria about the issue and use of the Motor Mail labels for Mail from Egypt to Baghdad thru the Overland Mail Baghdad-Haifa.
http://i22.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/c2/88/f83b_3.JPG

For something like that I love ebay...

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-14-07 at 09:13:53 PST

ANYone HERE live in Stockholm in the 1960's

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)

on Nov-14-07 at 07:18:27 PST

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Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-14-07 at 05:31:57 PST

Oggilby

My clerk let's me get around that by my Underfranking
slighlty then he PVI's for 2 or 3 cents.
He used to PVI $0.00 But was told to stop .

Posted by oggilby ( 1238

)

on Nov-14-07 at 05:25:28 PST

Greetings from a foggy temperate (54 F) Central MD!

You're welcome Io! I have been told now by postal clerks that certain weight packages cannot go through the mail system with stamps on the package, they MUST have PVI's on them. USPS will sell you a wide variety of stamps, but don't expect to get those used varieties back to you through the mail. At my house, 2 in 3 stamped envelopes of the
non-commercial or charity variety, have scrambled stamps on them, except for the always perfect Coastlines, Atlas's, and now USA banners. I guess that these envelopes are exempted from the pummeling canceling machines!

Posted by afeht ( 1163

)

on Nov-13-07 at 23:00:28 PST

jim_lawler,
If you have an extra copy of South African Stamp Colour Catalogue 2001, I may relieve you of that burden. Could you, please, send to afeht@aol.com a scan of its typical page dedicated to early sets (bilingual pairs, shades)? Thanks.

Posted by keleofa ( 3600

)

on Nov-13-07 at 21:05:32 PST

US Machine Cancels,

I picked this up tonight at my stamp club meeting:

Reading, PA 1895

Need an opinion -- is this a Barnard Machine or an APMC? In Hanmer's reference there is mention of Barnard being used in Reading, and the timeline is right. But the dial looks like an American.

Thoughts?

Matt in Arizona

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1427

)

on Nov-13-07 at 20:35:15 PST

afeht
Have you looked at the South African Stamp Colour Catalogue, 2001, 25th edition? When working on the “former Homelands” I ended up with an extra copy.

member

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Nov-13-07 at 20:11:16 PST

A pox on JW Scott, the founder of our beloved Scott's catalog. When he discovered the depth of the angst European stamp curmudgeons were suffering through, because early album manufactures decided to print spots for Confederate post provisionals (some of which only a few known copies of which exist).....he soothed their pain, by printing up himself as many of them as they desired.

To this day, the EBay listings are still a minefield of his dreck......

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-13-07 at 16:46:07 PST

COLIN / XZEPHYR Thanks,its also true that Scott's catalog was started by a firm selling stamps.Here is something of interest along the lines of how dealers made pricelist before the standard of catalog numbers being used .PRE-CATALOG NUMBERS ,just a describition of whats on the stamp ....paul

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-13-07 at 16:35:38 PST

This is for all you Stamp Curmudgeons
out there

warning some of the words might be considered suggestive.

The stamp Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGk4FHZhR0w

Posted by iomoon ( 1055

)

on Nov-13-07 at 15:07:54 PST

Bumber = bumper

Posted by iomoon ( 1055

)

on Nov-13-07 at 15:07:29 PST

Wow a bumber day in the mail for PVI's.

Many thanks, Burt, Nomad, and Hens

I'll hopefully get some time next week to work on a big update to my web site.

Posted by dbenson ( 8696

)

on Nov-13-07 at 14:48:55 PST

roger, has you research found out when it was implemented,

David B.

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-13-07 at 14:33:09 PST

David -
It is already thunk of. )'>)

Just need a few more early items to show very early examples. My earliest is 1866. More research required so presently I accumulate!

Roger

Posted by dbenson ( 8696

)

on Nov-13-07 at 13:53:56 PST

roger,

you should be thinking about a one framer for your " refused " collection.

David B.

Posted by thines ( 1519

) on Nov-13-07 at 13:39:51 PST

NOIP:

Just got the new Linn's (issue dated Nov. 19) in the new format. What a piece of utter trash! It looks and feels like a toss-out flyer from Sears or Target. Cheapest paper and smaller (8.5 by 10.75 in. ) size. The color illustrations do seem a bit clearer, however.

Terry Hines

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-13-07 at 13:36:18 PST

David -

Other recent “refusé” items:
1924 - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290176156792

1914 right image, lowest cover - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160165988255

1904 - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180173685507

1900 - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170160123460
This is especially interesting in that the recipient refused to even sign the collect card and the post office had a rubber stamp to explain to the sender the lack of signature! I have never seen the rubber stamp used before.

I like these items. They seem very special to me, not just a commercial business usage, but a personal rejection of the item mailed to and from real people.

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-13-07 at 13:18:54 PST

David -

The Swiss could refuse anything requiring a fee collection by the postman, whether postage due or subscription nenewals, or for merchandise. The postman was required to get the signature of the person refusing delivery as proof to the business or his postal accountants why he didn't have the money in his pocket on returning to the post office.

In this case the large overweight envelope, 230 gms, (probably containing a manuscript) was rated as first class mail in Switzerland and F.C.S Schiller probably knew what was inside and refused to pay 3francs 75 for the priviledge of reading the material while on vacation! Somebody must have paid the fee as the "Ungultig" marking is not on the postage due stamps and the cover does not appear to have been returned to England. Can't wait to read the cancels more closely, and of course there could be missing parts that complete the story!

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels

Posted by mini*lindy ( 516

)

on Nov-13-07 at 13:18:13 PST

Rainer When self-adhesive stamps were first introduced in Australia, in May, 1990, they were called Peel and Stick. I guess to 'educate' the public how to used them! Sometimes they were referred to as Permara Labels (the company that produced them). For your general writing, I would just refer to them as self-adhesive. I am sure other countries use different terms too.
Linda

Posted by dbenson ( 8696

)

on Nov-13-07 at 12:13:45 PST

roger,

I like the way that Mr. Schiller has written REFUSED and signed his name. It looks like you will have to try to find out why,

David B.

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-13-07 at 11:48:57 PST

As we see here the "recipient" probably couldn't afford the postage due on his salary as an assistant tutor. Someone tried to send him a Scott catalogue in the mail, but he knew better! )'>)
http://www.pragmatism.org/history/Schiller.htm

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-13-07 at 11:42:24 PST

I forgot to add my favorite item of recent days:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150177627057

It will go into my "refuse" accumulation.

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-13-07 at 11:40:37 PST

Paul -

“The listings of the seller on E-BAY on what Switerland stamps they are is confusing”

I think the problem in this discussion arose because the implication of your critique laid the blame on the seller, rather than the differences in the catalogues. I can list many stamps by Zumstein number and be very accurate. If the buyer doesn’t have a Zumstein, he won’t know which stamps I’m selling. For me to cross reference my Zumstein numbers into Scott for eBay selling means I’m forced into a corner of inaccuracy, because Scott is inaccurate!@@!

I rarely use Scott for Switzerland, especially for the imperforate Strubels of the 1850’s. That is a whole can of worms that Scott needs to address. Color shades rarely make for accurate ID from that period. The printing quality and certain other characteristics determine stamp classification of Strubels. Knowledge of cancel usage is critical, but no mention by Scott which sticks to color shades for ID purposes. It would be simple to clarify, but I guess Scott sees no need. This leads to many US collections having the wrong stamps in the whole holes on Swiss album pages. This either makes for good buys when the valuable are mis-ID’d, or gross over valuation for stamps which aren’t the rare varieties. The “thin” stamps of 1856 are routinely misidentified. If a seller has not measured the thickness of the paper with a micrometer and compared the stamp to recognized characteristics of the different printings, there is no justification for offering a “thin” paper stamp at a high price!

The closest analogy I can think of right now is this. Which of the following cars are American made? Honda, Toyota, PT Cruiser, VW Beetle, Chevy, Ford, or Jeep? It takes a real specialist catalogue to learn the correct answer. Try google, I’ll not answer the question here.

afeht -

Welcome to eBay Stamp Chat where Swiss collectors out number all others in their verbosity and “rightness”. You must be a Libra to collect Switzerland. In Paolo’s case, I think he is Taurus.
Re: 25 centime UPU. I don’t have one. They were only available for two weeks at the end of December 1900. The stamp was for the international letter rate and sheets were distributed to the largest post offices, not small villages. So look for covers that with foreign destinations dated after 11 December 1900. eBay is a very likely venue for new discoveries of this stamp as sellers come online from countries not typically known for their collecting.

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels

PS: eSnipe failed me when I slept. It was unable to make a connection. Who knows what the final price would have been as my snipe was double the winning bid of € 37 .
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180176404166

And another snipe this morning of a 1903 US cover to Switzerland with a solo 13 cent stamp. Any idea whether this was a good buy or not?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290177263448

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-13-07 at 10:18:13 PST

jimbo, yes it is, The Motor Mail label had been issued in 1924 by the Egyptian Post for Mail from Egypt to Baghdad, forwarded by the Overland Mail. But I am not convinced about the proper usage of the label on that cover front..., something smells on that cover front, also the postage rate I could not explain so I staid away for a bit (and all other Overland Mail collectors as well). Thy buyer has no clue about the subject. The label is listed in Collins Monograph with Number L-13.
Here is a rare genuine use of such a label:
http://fuchs-online.com/my_ebay/31_22.05.2007.htm

Posted by xzephyr ( 994

)

on Nov-13-07 at 10:15:28 PST

What are Stamp Catalogues for?”

Many interesting comments. As I am in the UK I use Gibbons for the numbers, but as Paul stated correctly, Gibbons Catalogue is their price list. I cannot speak for other catalogues. You want a stamp and buy it from Stanley Gibbons, usually you pay the catalogue price. But with the stamp you pay for their reliability and expertise. You usually get an excellent example of the stamp, though in the day of approval books – (remember them?) – I found that the little red Gibbons rubber stamp put where a stamp had been sold was transferred to the stamp opposite! I did not buy those.

When I was young in the 40’s Gibbons was the main seller, and we were happy to buy at their prices – a mint 2/6d stamp went for 3/3d I seem to remember. But used of poor quality went for 5% CV – they were and are space fillers.

Now, even here in the UK, eBay has enabled sales by anyone to anyone. And people like me have very low overheads, so we can sell (and buy) much cheaper than Gibbons prices, even buying excellent MNH sound examples. I use the Gibbons catalogues for GB and Sakura for Japan to show me the different varieties and as a guide to rarity, but nowadays I would not dream of paying their prices. Those who specialize in other countries go by their specialist catalogues. When I was very young I had the mistaken view that the stamps I had were worth what Gibbons put them down as! But try and sell GB 1st Day covers that the GPO sold as mementoes and you will be lucky to get anything at all. Stamps are worth what someone else is prepared to pay for them and with eBay we have lots of choice.

As I have stopped collecting GB and have disposed of the bulk of my specialist items, just keeping a basic collection, I have found a new interest as a “bottom feeder” sorting thousands of “worthless” stamps into a whole world collection at minimal cost. As I put on the packets of stamps I give to Halloween callers “Collect stamps – it’s fun!”

Colin the collector of worthless stamps.

Posted by jimbo ( 417

)

on Nov-13-07 at 10:12:22 PST

Rainer,
Is this cover related to the Overland Mail?

jimbo

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-13-07 at 10:02:13 PST

I think the Countdown is for those
who use their Phones

220Man
Danke

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-13-07 at 09:32:55 PST

I got that message as well but clicked away, I was not convinced..., if i remember, you need to install a program on your computer or so but what the function of the countdown is, no idea.

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3806

)

on Nov-13-07 at 09:21:36 PST

i received notice of an unsuccessful bid and on the page was a reference to something called COUNTDOWN which could help me be more successful with my bids.

I clicked on the WHAT IS EBAY COUNTDOWN link and went to a page that started thus:

What is eBay Countdown?
eBay Countdown is a brand new way to track and win items on eBay. Countdown provides buyers with a competitive edge with instant item updates for current bid and time remaining, easy interface to monitor items in My eBay buying and a fast and easy bidding interface. Countdown also provides a way to search for last minute deals. Best of all, no download is required to use eBay Countdown. Countdown is a completely optional tool and users can always access their items via the eBay web site as well.

Now I have just one question.

What is Ebay countdown?

Skeptic-raff

anyone using this???

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-13-07 at 08:45:13 PST

hupps..., i wanted to write, self-adhesive is the word i guess...

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-13-07 at 08:44:36 PST

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 1019

)

on Nov-13-07 at 08:33:57 PST

Paolo… These are “auto” adhesives…

☺

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 1019

)

on Nov-13-07 at 08:28:58 PST

Rainer… In the US I think they are just called “self-adhesive”. Don’t know what the term would be elsewhere.

Jim

Posted by vonbag ( 207

)

on Nov-13-07 at 08:23:31 PST

Rainer,
I'd guess it is 'auto-adhesive'.

Paolo

Posted by jaywild ( 1019

)

on Nov-13-07 at 08:20:22 PST

NOIP… Very interesting discussion on Swiss stamps this morning. Thank you Roger for your especially illuminating post.

due2cents... You are welcome. Feel free to make any use of the information you wish.

mini*lindy... Those pads are also shockproof, so you can say anything you like in front of them.

☺

Jim

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-13-07 at 08:11:38 PST

What is the correct philatelic term for self-sticking stamps on pealable backing paper?

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-13-07 at 08:07:09 PST

http://www.1apeters.de/Cafe/index.php

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-13-07 at 07:09:34 PST

LARS or anyone
That might have a link to the new DE chat
I lost my links (stupid machine)
Have one

Jaywild
Nice ME page
Thanks for the ID links.

Posted by afeht ( 1163

)

on Nov-13-07 at 07:01:28 PST

Here's what I would call a good centering (worth 20% catalog?), but that's the usual stamp.

Posted by afeht ( 1163

)

on Nov-13-07 at 06:37:23 PST

vonbag, I guess one of these days I'd have to buy a mint one... though I keep dreaming of finding the used. I collect postally used stamps only.

The one on sale is overpriced, IMO, and "excellent centering" remark turns me off completely. As they say, "who do you believe, your lying eyes or what is says right here on the label"?

Thanks for finding it and posting the link, though. I've never held this one in my hands.

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-13-07 at 06:20:24 PST

K.E.
Thanks for youre post of the Pages yesterday
helps to see real thing
not just words here.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-13-07 at 06:15:45 PST

FOR NEW COLLECTOR AND THOSE WHO DON'T COLLECT SWISS -----Here is the stamp that is being talked about the 15c. yellow . 15c. yellow swiss

Posted by vonbag ( 207

)

on Nov-13-07 at 06:00:41 PST

NOIP, without any reference,
here is one.
Paolo

Posted by vonbag ( 207

)

on Nov-13-07 at 05:57:18 PST

Err. where I wrote "orangegelb" = gelborange, of course, of 1888.

Posted by vonbag ( 207

)

on Nov-13-07 at 05:53:26 PST

Afhet,
Of the UPU 25 Rp. blue type III, there is (or used to be some weeks ago) one by sell on eBay.com (with BIN), but IMO it is grossly overpriced for MNH.
I saw one on Swiss eBay some months ago going for about 250 euro. I, too, don't have this stamp.
Genuine used, one can dream of, I think.

Paolo

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-13-07 at 05:49:32 PST

need help Need advice on what to wear to this weekend stamp show ,I plan to join the newly formed Austrian Philatelic Society at its first meeting .

I need to get rid of my workboots and camouflage pants.Thinking of buying a pair of cheap gymshoes and a moth bitten sweater and maybe a pair of plaid pants and top it off with a Aussie bush hat so that I fit in with other philatelist and become a club member .Any advice is helpful ...paul

Posted by vonbag ( 207

)

on Nov-13-07 at 05:45:27 PST

Very interesting discussion!

I particularly liked and found useful what written by Roger, because of my interest with Swiss stamps. I couldn't have written it as English is not my mother language, and I would have gotten certainly confused at some point.
I do not take Scott in consideration for Swiss stamps and Postal History.
Ah, the color of the rare 15c. with KZI on granite paper is 'yellow orange' ( 'orangegelb' I've seen some copies by sell on Swiss eBay, with certificates and one copy in the flesh by a Swiss stamp dealer last May at a phil. bourse in Italy).
There are the lemon yellow, yellow, orange yellow -- all relatively normal, the last a bit less.

My special welcome to Afeht on the stamp board!

Good continuation,
Paolo (another Swiss collector, but from less than a year!)

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-13-07 at 05:40:09 PST

FINALLY-------FINALLY ------We come to the end of the discussion and it comes down to -----The listings of the seller on E-BAY on what Switerland stamps they are is confusing -----THATS WHAT I SAID IN MY FIRST POSTING ----its not clear to a collector/buyer ......shees what I have to go thru on this board .

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-13-07 at 05:27:33 PST

more please

Surely there are, out there in the cyber world,
many others who have thoughts and or opinions
on this subject.
As a neophyte in this hobby I would like to
see some more thoughts of others.

RF's recent SNS system discussions
and my finding early this year of some early
stamp collecting phamplets have already made me
eschew the " we say so # system".

Posted by afeht ( 1163

)

on Nov-13-07 at 05:19:31 PST

Oh, malolo, one more question:
Have you found that "hatched digits" tall blue UPU stamp? You know what I am talking about... Have you ever SEEN one? I've been through hundreds of them - in vain!

Posted by afeht ( 1163

)

on Nov-13-07 at 05:10:49 PST

malolo,
You are absolutely right. One has to go by Zumstein if one hopes to make sense of the Swiss classics, as Scott only confuses.
But the same observation is true about Scott in almost any other field outside the U.S. stamps. If one is serious about French stamps, Yvert + Ceres are a must. If one wants to know what Russian pre-1950 stamps are all about, I would recommend to forget Scott, and to buy Soloviev's excellent catalog that lists all major varieties, including dot screen reproduction types of the 1930s and 1940s, which were "a forbidden knowledge for the happy few" in the former USSR. Eben when it comes to Victorian GB, probably the most researched stamps of the world, Scott manages to make a fine mess of the first issues, and stubbornly refuses to list inverted watermarks (never understood why, if they list sidewise ones - where is their logic?).
Having said all that, I must admit that, as an additional, complementary "very quick reference book," Scott Classic Specialized can be handy for a beginner. Also, taking into account the US collectors' habits (they may be less numerous than European ones but that's where real money usually is), a seller absolutely must give references to Scott numbers. This leads to problems, like having to say "3 vars" after a single Scott number, where in Zumstein there are 3 different stamps with very different watermarks and perforations, not to mention color shades confirmed by the dates of cancellation, etc.
I am using a specialized catalog for every country I collect, and there are in my library specialized catalogs for all countries of the world except two -- I am still missing New Zealand Specialized by Campbell Paterson, and haven't found South Africa Specialized that would be more useful than SG Commonwealth.
Now I've boasted about it all!

Posted by malolo ( 865

)

on Nov-13-07 at 03:43:07 PST

Aloha -
I've just started a three day "weekend" and actually have something for other to consider when collecting Switzerland.

I’ll start where there are specific details which create problems when comparing apples and oranges, ie. Scott and Zumstein.

Scott #73, the 10 centime numeral of 1882, is listed with three different varieties by color shades! The problem here is that a collector has to trust his/her ability to distinguish shades of carmine, red, to rose.

Scott #73 is Zumstein 61A, no matter which shade it is. The stamp has the wide impressed control "watermark" oval and cross, manufactured between 1882 and 1894.

Scott #73 IS NOT Zum 61B. Zumstein 61B was issued in 1894 and has a different width oval and cross, and the different color shades are happenstance.

Scott in effect combines two different “watermarks” and since they are similar in size and shape has decided that the stamps of 1894 don’t warrant separate catalogue numbers. Scott made the same decision for all Numerals and the Standing Helvetia stamps.

Scott only separates these stamps by perforation and color shades, not the impressed “watermark”. The watermark is really much more important than the color shades in nealry all cases.

A different color ink is a whole different matter. Scott 75 is a yellow ink stamp, 75a is orange. These two stamps correspond with Zumstein 63 and 63Ad. The orange stamp was a true error and printed with the same color ink as the 20 centimes Standing Helvetia. They sell for $1000’s each.

The seller has presented stamps that are varieties within the Zumstein system based on printing dates and having different “watermarks”. Scott doesn’t list this difference and only chooses color as a factor, so a seller of Swiss stamps can have varieties not in Scott. Scott has varieties which aren’t relevant!@@!

Finally. Scott lists all its Swiss stamps from this period to the full and half perf, ie 11 1/2, or 11 1/2x12. Zumstein lists the 1882 - 1894 as 11 3/4, not 11 1/2 as listed in Scott. So where does the problem arise? When we get to the 11 1/2x12 of 1900-1903. Users of Scott can’t differentiate the 11 3/4 from the 11 1/2 x12. No fault of the collector, but instead a fault of Scott in not using 1/4 perfs when necessary. In these case the dated cancel is the defining factor, a reason for nice clear cancels in Swiss collecting!

I will generalize here and state that Standing Helvetia of 1882-1893 have 14 perfs on the sides, and stamps of 1894-1900 have 13 perfs on a side, then back again to 14 perfs per side until 1907. The fun of this series is finding “old printings" that were perporated on the new perforators, and new printings that were perfed on the old perforators. Some are worth $1000’s.

I could illustrate nearly all these examples above, but it would be very time consuming to scan them in the detail required. If you want to collect Switzerland you must give up Scott and get the Zumstein Schweiz catalogue, or the Schweizer Briefmarken Katalog published by the Swiss Dealers Association.

Roger
Swiss Razor Cancels

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-13-07 at 03:11:39 PST

CORRECTION------On someone else posting .

Stamp catalogs were created to sell stamps ,it was a price list ......DA I DIDN'T KNOW THAT !!!!!!

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-13-07 at 03:00:31 PST

CATALOG PRICING Its time for new readers and newer collectors to understand how Scott Publishing arrive at their pricing .

It was the practice of the firm to have someone on staff {my good friend Len Gellman} to accumualate printed price list both for buying and selling stamps from the various large stamp dealers and the specialized dealers .He also followed all the stamp sell ads in the philatelic press.Since this was a huge project ,the policy was to adjust prices every few years .This huge job was done by a small staff so only a few dozen countries were changed in any given year.The cycle of prices changes took a few years to go thru the complete catalog .Naturally there were hot countries and fads that came along were prices changed more often.

It was the president of FLIP or DIP{or something like that}in Europe who was also president of ASFINSA ,who made the dumb remarke that catalog publishers are obliged to raise prices each year ,so dealers don't have angry customers and could make a profit .

But now we have a changing market place were printed price list and dealer inventories are not being kept to hold prices at retail levels. We now have a internet pricing system which is still based off of some printed price in a catalog .So what is Scott's future plans for pricing ,I don't think they have yet to address that issue or publicly state a policy .....paul

Posted by mini*lindy ( 516

)

on Nov-13-07 at 00:09:51 PST

N.O.I.P. browsing eBay for blotters, found this interesting advert at the bottom of one page....
Sponsored Links

desk pads manufacturer
Shockproof, environment & smelless 100% satisfactory. Act now!

smelless ???? what the desk pad can't smell ??
good for a laugh if it wasn't so sad!
Linda

Posted by philaweb ( 317

)

on Nov-12-07 at 22:58:29 PST

Good Morning/Day/Afternoon/Evening!

Posted by jaywild ( 1019

)

on Nov-12-07 at 22:05:52 PST

NOIP… My 2¢ on the issue of prices in catalogs…

Stamp catalogs were created to do two things. First, to provide a system (numbers, letters, types etc.) for identifying all the stamps issued by a country, and secondly to give the enthusiast some idea of what he would expect to pay if he bought the items listed in the catalog from a stamp dealer. Scott says as much in its intro pages.

The problem, as I see it, is that while the first function has not changed for the catalog makers, i.e. they are still recording new issues and assigning them numbers and publishing this data, the world of the internet has thrown traditional systems of arriving at catalog valuations completely out of whack. PSE, which is not a catalog firm per se, does publish a valuation quarterly which tracks known sale prices of items that carry certain quality stipulations (namely, PSE graded certs). The trouble with this approach is that in the case of many items, they change hands so infrequently that PSE’s valuation quarterly is studded with “—” marks, meaning there’s not enough current data to develop a sensible, real-time value. No catalog could survive with half its valuation spaces blank.

In my view, catalogs cannot devote the sort of time necessary to survey the entire stamp-transaction universe to arrive at sensible valuations, with the result that there is a great deal of guesswork in the values they publish. There is also an invisible yet forceful impetus not to drop catalog values even in the face of direct evidence that prices are softening. Stamp dealers who rely on catalogs for how to price their stamps would have little use for a system that reflects what can be successfully argued is the current great downward pressure on prices exerted by stamps changing hands on places like eBay.

While I doubt catalog makers actually conspire to keep prices artificially high, I have no doubt that they sometimes choose to ignore trends in the opposite direction simply as a matter of good business practice.

Jim

Posted by saphilatelics ( 484

)

on Nov-12-07 at 20:54:30 PST

Please ignore partial post below. Here is the complete post.

richintalent wrote:

"What makes stamps from German states [Baden, Wurttemburg, Lubeck, etc.] so pricey? Is it rarity?"

I don't accept the premise of your question. You are making it sound as if German States are in some way unique. German States is like any other classic area in philately. There are stamps that are extremely common and can be had for a dollar or less, and there are stamps that catalog in the 10's of thousands. There are stamps that are extremely inexpensive in mint condition and priceless used, and the other way around.
What determines price in German States is what determines price in any other area of philately. (1) Demand--German States, while not an easy area, is an extremely popular area, both among non-Germans and among Germans. Add to that the fact that stamp collecting is an extremely popular pastime in Germany, with several million collectors by most accounts (out of a population of 83 million or so), and you have very strong demand. (2) Rarity--because we are talking about a classical area of philately, many German States stamps were issued in small quantities, and given that in 1849, when the first German stamp was issued, there weren't a whole lot of stamp collectors, and that over 150 years have passed since, many were lost over time. So, when a stamp is rare, whether German States or elsewhere, it is either because few were printed to begin with, or because few remain in existence. An example: Saxony No. 1. Loads printed (by 1850 standards), but, because they were intended for printed matter, and generally affixed in a manner that tied the address wrapper to the printed matter (the stamp being affixed 1/2 to the wrapper, 1/2 to the printed matter), most were torn in half (and thus destroyed) when the happy recipient read his morning paper. Another example: Schleswig-Holstein 1 and 2. A large number printed but, due to the pesky Danish doing away with the whole idea of an independent Schleswig-Holstein, used only for a small period of time. The result, catalog values in the 10's of thousands of Euro for used copies. Finally, Wuerttemberg 42 (Michel), the 70 Kreuzer issue, 24 000 copies printed, thus, rare in any condition. Having said that, there are plenty of German States stamps that were issued in printing runs of 10's of millions and are consequently quite common and inexpensive (Prussia Coat of Arms, Saxony King John I, etc.).

Posted by dbenson ( 8696

)

on Nov-12-07 at 20:45:34 PST

afeht, to me it is the bidders fault for not acquiring the knowledge before they bid whether it be by internet or at Auction Houses. Another problem is that there are a lot of new collectors who have never attended clubs or viewed displays from experienced collectors to learn the difference between a good example of an item and a poor almost worthless example.

David B.

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1427

)

on Nov-12-07 at 20:44:15 PST

member

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-12-07 at 20:31:04 PST

Do not only blame the sellers..., there are so many educational campaigns, trying to educate beginners and bring the to the associations (APS, BDPh etc...) but most of them will not listen or join and reject any education. You can inform bidders on ebay who are bidding on junk and fakes, they will even reply with anger because you are trying to help them.

Posted by afeht ( 1163

)

on Nov-12-07 at 19:55:52 PST

Quote: "...right on, real philatelists don't use catalogues, they use their brains and reference material, catalogue values are for beginners,
David B."

Exactly what I mean, that's the name of the game: robbing the beginners. And it IS intentional. I've met hundreds of dealers in my life, and every one of them tried to sell me garbage at over 50% cat. (and often at 100% cat., with a straight face and very dignified manners). And if catalog editors wouldn't intentionally try to inflate prices, they would print their warnings in large bold letters instead of in small print hidden between paragraphs, and they would list price ranges, starting with an "average sound" condition. Then, and only then, one could give a catalog to a child and say: "This is a good book, it will help you to know your stamps."

By the way, what are catalogs if not reference materials?

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-12-07 at 19:47:18 PST

Nomad
Yes I also have many RPPC from The PPIE
I like them because they are kinda Unique
I have been having a lot of luck lately with PPIE's in the RPPC albums i run into.
Of course my buying threshold has gone up from quarter cards
to a buck or so.

I also like the Non Posed candid type RPPC's from
there.

Posted by nomad55 ( 939

)

on Nov-12-07 at 19:09:59 PST

Pro....the Colorado card is a real-photo post card made at the exposition. People could pose for pictures in front of a backdrop. I have quite a few of these from the PPIE.
IMHO this adds some value, as its not one of the pre-printed tourist scenes showing a building or a fountain or a statue.

Posted by dbenson ( 8696

)

on Nov-12-07 at 18:23:58 PST

Alex, the reason they are called duplex cancels is because they consisted of two parts, the killer part, usually on the right to cancel (kill) the stamp so it could not be reused (ands they did a bloody good job of it in GB) and the town name and date (usually on the left) to identify and date the place where it was cancelled. Nor every GB surface printed stamp received a killer and there is a huge premium for those that didn't and redcived ther left hand part of the duplex or if the office was not supplied with a duplex (usually larger offices) then a circular date stamp was used.

The editors do not intentionally try to trick buyers but over the course of years they have added comments to the various issues and these need to be updated to show the correct variations in value from heavy killer strikes which are worth a small fraction of catalogue value to the fine used with either a circular date stamp or the left side of the duplex which command a high percentage of catalogue value.

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 8696

)

on Nov-12-07 at 18:16:50 PST

Paul, I don't know where Scott's get there $70 from, it cats. in Gibbons at 16 Pounds and is worth about 1/4 cat at the most,

Richard,

right on, real philatelists don't use catalogues, they use their brains and reference material, catalogue values are for beginners,

David B.

Posted by vonbag ( 207

)

on Nov-12-07 at 18:10:46 PST

On the other hand, for somethin different, I have seen somethin in 'Swiss lots'.
It is in "my eBay", in the watch list.
I will try and snipe it.
Likely, most will know what it is just at the last moment.
Paolo

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-12-07 at 17:59:16 PST

ALEX ------I agree with your last posting 100%,hope you seen my original welcome to this board .Just to show you how I feel im going to pick up the first year cost for you to join the stamp club here .

By the way the second lot in your e-bay listing has a A-25 canceled stamp which is a Malta useage ,catalogs at $60.00......

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-12-07 at 17:49:28 PST

Very Punny I-O

Posted by 1covers ( 1369

)

on Nov-12-07 at 17:48:40 PST

"real dealers don't need no stinkin catalogs"

Posted by iomoon ( 1055

)

on Nov-12-07 at 17:41:54 PST

Matthew

If it was a silver fish, I could at least tell if it was printed on chalky paper. :-)

Before D2 gets back.
I know it was never printed on Chalky paper.
A poor attempt at a philatelic joke!

Posted by afeht ( 1163

)

on Nov-12-07 at 17:41:40 PST

dbenson>,
Let me re-define my point of view in, hopefully, more agreeable terms:
Most stamp collectors are satisfied with having a sound copy (no thins, creases, readable cancel, no significant toning or fading, perfs intact) of every major number. Some collectors look for varieties - but even a specialist collector pays more attention to having a sound copy of each affordable variety than to having a "perfect" copy of each variety, which would be clearly beyond average collector's financial means.

Therefore, this issue boils down to the following question: Who are catalogs for? A small minority of picky rich people, or a majority of collectors who buy those catalogs, and keep them afloat in the first place? Catalogs must reflect the state of sound stamps found in most collections, because catalogs must serve the stamp collectors' community as a whole, not just the happy few who can afford museum-quality copies. Currently, the situation is clearly misleading, and I insist that it is intentionally misleading, because it consistently provides dealers with an additional income at the expense of beginners.

All this grading fad, all this shady terminology -- "fine-very fine," etc. -- has long been ridiculed and despised among real collectors, those people interested in seeing something more than dollar signs in their albums.

matthew1999,
What you call a "brutal obliteration" of the classic British stamps is their normal state. Killer cancellations were invented and used for this purpose. Having a nice circular dated cancel on a Victorian stamp is a freak, not a normal state of the stamp. More than that, absence of a killer cancel could qualify as "philatelic use," as opposed to "postal use," because it was against the postal rules: a stamp shoud have been obliterated with a killer, and a circular dated cancel should have been place on the envelope or postcard beside the stamp. Nobody says that you cannot collect freaks and pay insane money for them: you do whatever you want. But I don't see why catalogs should reflect such a freakish preference, as opposed to the material most collectors have, buy, and regard as normal sound stamps.

What is an old-fashioned stamp dealer, anyway? Let us not mince words: a person who buys from orphans and widows for 1%, maximum 3% CV, and tries to sell the same to novices and simpletons 50-fold if not 200-fold. That's why I love eBay, and that's why old-fashioned dealers hate it: it brings out the truth, and levels out the market, making obsolete those greedy, self-important speculators abd cheaters.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-12-07 at 17:36:21 PST

RICH-----Its four things that makes the price ......A strong interest from collectors ,A scarity of good material,good research and books,and a strong economy.

Posted by richintalent ( 146

)

on Nov-12-07 at 17:20:39 PST

What makes stamps from German states [Baden, Wurttemburg, Lubeck, etc.] so pricey? Is it rarity?

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-12-07 at 17:18:38 PST

OH MY GOSH !!!!!!!!sorry fell out of my chair when I read the chat board

We now got a album space filler reading and telling us what is in a Zumstein catalog .Can't believe it

WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY HERE ,someone who couldn't identify a perf variety or a watermark variety in his collection now teaching what is in a major foreign catalog UNBELIEVABLE .

MITCH ---Collectors don't buy stamps on e-bay with your thinking off "PERHAPS IT MIGHT BE" and "APPEARS DIFFERENT" are not justifications for bidding on a stamp lot on e-bay .....gee ,give it up

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-12-07 at 17:14:12 PST

NOIP
More from my latest pile

I always look thru the Foreign Postcards
looking of course for Due material
Even tho this one has a partial Paid all

STREET_RPO
I did not have one of these this early.

and then I found , and I know it is Not technically
an Airmail But this POSTCARD FLEW

From Eagleville Conn to North Addams Mass
over 100 miles
pilot was N. Harould
He took two paying passengers
A.D.Potter
and W.H. Sanderson
along with some RPPC's of his landing in Mansfield Conn
may 12th 1909

Wonder-who-is-who

Posted by matthew1999 ( 176

)

on Nov-12-07 at 17:11:36 PST

Io,

How do you know it was a mouse?
I think it might be worth a higher percentage if it was another type of animal,

Mh

Posted by iomoon ( 1055

)

on Nov-12-07 at 17:05:19 PST

Typical eBay

Grossly off-centered.
Leaky common cancel.
Mouse-bitten perfs

Fine?

Extra Fine?

Posted by dbenson ( 8696

)

on Nov-12-07 at 16:58:17 PST

Alex,

I don't agree with your comments,

" as you correctly note, is intentionally misleading, and their prices are simply ridiculous from most collectors' point of view. Thus, catalog editors clearly cater to dealers' interests by muddying the waters, and cheat young and inexperienced collectors, especially those in "third-world" countries, who instinctively respect all those glossy shiny Western reference books ".

I doubt it is intentionally misleading, it is just the laziness of the editors to update the information and correctly describe what the catalogue value quality should be. Many years ago Gibbons used a pricing system for classical material whereby they stated a value " from & to " and in my opinion that should be reintroduced to give naive collectors what the value of poor quality such as close or cut margins and/or heavy cancels should range from. Ceylon imperfs. are a good example where say a stamp cat. now at 100 Pounds would have had a range from 5 Pounds to 100 Pounds.

David B.

Posted by matthew1999 ( 176

)

on Nov-12-07 at 16:48:29 PST

British stamps are NOT overpriced by Scott or SG, the prices IMHO correctly reflect the scarcity and desirability of sound, finely-centered, not-too-heavily cancelled specimens. The crummy, brutally obliterated stamps offered most of the time are barely worth anything at all--I won't buy them even at 5% of cat (unless it's the cancel I want, but that's a different story).

Mh

Posted by antonius-ra ( 652

)

on Nov-12-07 at 16:27:52 PST

Re Swiss Scott # 73 (Zumstein 61A/B) Red, a = Carmine, b = lt rose. Scott lists three colors as does Zumstein.
Scott # 75 (Zumstein 63A) Two colors as both note; Yellow and Orange. However the two stamps Afeht show appear different. Perhaps it might be that the first is under-inked but the shading around the cross is quite more pronounced on the second stamp. No type listed for his but certainly as convincing as the "white caps" of Barbados.

Re: Scott #71 (Zumstein 60A) I'm not seeing a
muffed frame line unless it is reffering to the blurred line left lower. Also not seeing any mention in Zumstein?

Afeht I defer to Jaywilds comments below.

"Someone" spoke of why this board is loosing posters! Most of us understand who it is. I learned a long time ago that talking to a stump is useless but it is hard to not respond at times.

Multiple catalogue Queen

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-12-07 at 15:12:03 PST

AFEHT/ALEX here let me help you out or at lest help you out so you can understand a collector who looks at your material on ebay .

Your lot 200172359423 is a example of what im talking about ,Its for 12 used Switzerland classics .

You state 2 varities of Scott 75 ,the catalog shows one is yellow and the other one is orange{catalogs $4,000.00} but yours is clearly 2 yellow copies ,what do you mean "2 varities".

Same thing again on the Scott 73 you show three stamps but the catalog has two varities but you say 3 varities ,what does that mean ? .

If your such a specialist on the Scott 71{5 c. maroon} the stamp has a outer frame line or printing ink flaw why don't you mention it ,is it listed in the Swiss catalog and why only identify it by Scott number.......paul

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-12-07 at 15:08:12 PST

Thanks Matt

Mine are all, well mostly Cheap
I Just enjoy the markings .
My favorite so far is a
" NO Sidewalks NO Service"

A Local usage I found a couple of
YBOR City Fla, which is Now part of Tampa
Nice Older lady I got them from explained the Political
Part of the Postal History that generated them.
Most of town had no sidewalks , But was used by a politically Connected PM,
to punish the ethnic peoples (a few different ) who had opposed his guy.

Posted by afeht ( 1163

)

on Nov-12-07 at 15:03:07 PST

Jaywild,

Thank you.

dbenson,

Yes, I've noticed that average-quality classic GB stamps (what dealers would call "fine," no doubt) sell for about 5% Scott (2% Gibbons!). Information in catalogs, as you correctly note, is intentionally misleading, and their prices are simply ridiculous from most collectors' point of view. Thus, catalog editors clearly cater to dealers' interests by muddying the waters, and cheat young and inexperienced collectors, especially those in "third-world" countries, who instinctively respect all those glossy shiny Western reference books. As often in life, those with least financial resources suffer most, and ignorance is not only exploited but carefully cultivated by those "in the know."

To arrive at approximately correct stamp pricing, I must keep a "mental table" in my head, an inner voice that constantly mumbles: "Pre-1940 France used 15% CV, unused 20-25%, Italy a bit lower, pre-140 Memel and Danzig used 25% CV, British colonies 1900-1949 used 10-15% CV without high values, up to 25% with high values, everything depending on the centering and accuracy of cancels, of course...," etc., etc. In fact, one has to keep in mind hundreds of these "country-period-stamp-type" indices just to be able to see catalog prices for what they really are. Why buy a new set of catalogs, then? Relative catalog value can be derived correctly from a 10-year-old Michel or Gibbons. Their fault, their loss.

Posted by paperhistory ( 1991

)

on Nov-12-07 at 14:53:55 PST

pro: I think I saw a 1940s "advertised" somewhere once. I'm not sure what the latest example I have around is; I don't collect them systematically. Generally speaking, advertised after 1900 is relatively unusual, though not necessarily expensive or valuable. One of the many reasons that auxiliary markings can be a lot of fun. (that, and the fact that the field practically begs for an exhibit of pointing hand markings called "Giving America the finger")

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-12-07 at 13:52:11 PST

MY MY touchy people here First i've been collecting Switzerland stamps for fifty years. Second I just came back from the largest Switzerland auction on this side of the big pond in over a year,and seen the quality of material.

Alex asked a question and gave him a answer ,if he didn't like the answer so be it . I didn't insult him ,I told him about his material on e-bay .

JAY save the insults everyone is tied of it ,it has no effect on me. It only gives others problems thats why this board is losing posters .

Posted by jaywild ( 1019

)

on Nov-12-07 at 13:23:43 PST

Matthew… You went to Deep Springs? You must have some fantastic connections.

afeht... Just ignore the person who criticized you. His knowledge of stamps is roughly equivalent to his knowledge of English. I don’t think anyone here gives his opinions much credence.

There are people whose lives are a sad, endless quest to be taken seriously, or be even noticed at all. They are found everywhere, playing the same broken record. Think of the little child in the grocery store who is always tugging at his mother’s dress and saying “Mommy, mommy, look at me, mommy…” They also tend to believe that if they can make others look bad, they will look good by comparison.

Knowledge is something that is earned through hard work. This is especially true of philately. I don’t believe your antagonist has made the necessary effort.

All those who consider the above comments unfair, malicious or a personal “attack” may as well save their breath (or fingernails), because I intend to ignore any and all complaints about them. I for one welcome afeht to the chatboard, and would be very much disappointed to see him driven away by the churlish behavior of one individual. He seems to know what he is talking about, something we can really use here.

Jim

Posted by knuden ( 2393

)

on Nov-12-07 at 12:29:35 PST

Regarding the discussion on quality of stamps, is here what the Norwegian "Norgeskatalogen" says about this issue:
Page 1.
Page 2
This sums very well, the quality issue in Scandinavia (and I think - in most of Europe).

K.E

I'm a catalog queen - whoopee!!

Posted by dbenson ( 8696

)

on Nov-12-07 at 12:18:48 PST

afeht,

the problem is what is written in the catalogs and reality.

Even though it states there is a premium for fine centering and light cancels in reality the catalogue prices quoted are for fine examples, circular date stamps and well centered without any defects. Heavy cancels of both countries realise a fraction of catalogue value and 10% would be about normal for Switzerland but it would be closer to 5% for GB. The information in the catalogues should state " light circular date stamps and well centered ".

David B.

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-12-07 at 11:48:43 PST

already done

OK retry

have any of you noticed this type of Phenomana (sp)

TEN_This_am_andNOW

Is this some type of international
hookup lose money on listings to get High feedback numbers
and does it Bother you
or Who cares.

Posted by afeht ( 1163

)

on Nov-12-07 at 11:34:13 PST

stamps12345, you wrote:

"Your stamps are off-center and heavey canceled ,your selling broken sets ,your not identifing different colors ,perf. variation or paper variations but your using a ZUMSTEIN catalog,your also selling multiples of the same stamp are they different or is the buyer looking at more duplications..."

I've been collecting Swiss stamps for 30 years. The stamps I offer are NOT more off-center than usual, they are NOT heavier canceled than usual (actually, they have better than average, crisp and readable cancels). Color and perforation varieties are clearly identified by Zumstein numbers, Zumstein being the catalog of choice of Swiss collectors (with Scott numbers given in parallel). Selling "full sets" is an expression that makes no sense when one is dealing in Zumstein-listed varieties. (According to catalogs, well-centered stamps would command 100% or more surplus over their catalog value!) Actually, I offer a not very common material, well-researched material without faults, in sound condition, for about 10% of catalog value. The fact that demand is slow means that the countries I mentioned (Great Britain and Switzerland) are severely overvalued compared to most other countries -- which was my point to start with. I am well aware that stamps sell for a fraction of catalog value. What I'd like to know is why these two particular countries are so much overvalued -- bid up to 50% Scott on used classic Eastern Europe, for example, but wouldn't be interested in Victorian British stamps offered at 10% Scott. This is a phenomenon I'd like to discuss. Being lectured on basics fo philately is not what I am looking for after buying and selling stamps for 15 years. In your shoes, I would start with correcting my spelling and punctuation. Thank you anyway. - AF

Posted by 1covers ( 1369

)

on Nov-12-07 at 11:23:44 PST

David B - Timely comment. I just finished reviewing description for a major US auction company. The describer lifted information from the mounted pages the collector had prepared 40 years ago. Needless to say, it contained tons of mistakes.

I have found that very few collector descriptions can be relied upon and all should be checked and verified by the auction house first.

Posted by dbenson ( 8696

)

on Nov-12-07 at 10:59:35 PST

The problem today is the self decription of the items instead of a professional describer who had more knowledge and was careful as it could mean the return of the item and create a lot of problems for the Auction House. Bidders should be careful and read the full description as well as close inspection of the scan,

David B.

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-12-07 at 10:47:50 PST

My latest purchase...
http://www.myeasypics.com/is.php?i=340842&img=nairn1.jpg

Posted by matthew1999 ( 176

)

on Nov-12-07 at 10:29:36 PST

Hi everyone,

Io, my latest purchase. all about my alma mater.

Mh

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-12-07 at 10:17:20 PST

Again a Salute for those Veterans out there

wearing the Poppy today

Harder and harder to find

Nice song here if you have a moment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvBR6TySIrM

Posted by 220man ( 161

) on Nov-12-07 at 09:39:54 PST

Due: Here's the story on the old right arm rates:
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq78-5.htm

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-12-07 at 08:43:21 PST

220man

I read them as guy on left
Cheif Machinist

Guy on right
Chief Gunner.

or not
But the insignias show as Machinist and Gunner
the Cheif part comes from an olde magazine article.

The Guy on the Left is the Son of the Man in the Middle
they were from East Orange NJ
Dad was a big time Florist Supply co owner
The son traveled the world in the USN and sent many
interesting cards back.
I am still trying to track down the Gunner Dude.
I too do some reasearch on my aquistions

Posted by 220man ( 161

) on Nov-12-07 at 07:33:07 PST

Due: The sailor on the right also has what was known as a "right arm" rating of some kind. The other sailor has a regular left arm rate. I can't remember exactly what ratings merited a right arm crow. Of course they're all worn on the left arm now AFAIK.
Phil

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

)

on Nov-12-07 at 07:31:54 PST

Paolo, at a German auction house, i would reluctantly bit on a "Pracht" item. Will see if I have some old auction catalogs here and post some synonyms...

Posted by vonbag ( 207

)

on Nov-12-07 at 07:20:22 PST

Hallo Rainer,
Accidentally, I missed to address the previous posts to you as well!
Paolo

Posted by vonbag ( 207

)

on Nov-12-07 at 07:17:19 PST

Bill C.,
Thanks again for the clarification.
Here in Holland a defective stamp can be also described as 'fraai' (fine) or 'zeer fraai'(very ...).
A perfect stamp (=no defects, regardless centering) is a 'pracht exemplaar' (= fine specimen, or beauty).
That's a bit a world of its own, where, for instance MNH is indicated by three asteriscs "***" instead of by two asteriscs "**" like in the rest of the European countries I know of.
Paolo

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-12-07 at 07:11:29 PST

CainDW
Those are Frodo's

Frow Does Away.

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-12-07 at 07:09:04 PST

220man
I have not really picked an Area to Specialize in yet
so I just run Philatleically Rampant

Like
This DOANE_Cancel
It adds a few weeks to the Known Use of this Device
so for a while I have the EKU in my Box.

and This Grover_on_Postcard
While it would have paid for Special Delivery
There are no extra markings ,
So I guess The Only Stamp on hand OR
Just a Grover Fan. Will we ever know?

NOMAD
Here is scan you requested
HereRPPC-PPIE
I like it that the Sailor on right in photo
has the GUN POINTER Badge on sleeve

Matt L
Do you think because it was from another country (oh Canada) That is the reASOn for the Late use of the Advertized on the card Down below.
Seen anything later?

Posted by claghorn1p ( 413

)

on Nov-12-07 at 07:02:31 PST

Paolo Sound is a different story. A Sound stamp has no faults such as you describe. If it has faults, it is not sound, of course.

Posted by vonbag ( 207

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on Nov-12-07 at 07:00:19 PST

Bill C.,
Thank you for the explanation! That makes it very clear.
Although, I kind of miss what would I do with a defective stamp even if it is, for instance, very well centered and graded VF.
Now, what would you think of a stamp described as 'sound' but with eventual thins, tears, surface scrapes, like you wrote.
TIA!

Paolo

Posted by claghorn1p ( 413

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on Nov-12-07 at 06:32:50 PST

In the United States things are different, of course. Scott specifically states that there are two factors which affect catalog value, centering and condition. Fine, Very Fine> etc are grades of centering only. The other factor is condition which includes thins, tears, scrapes, dis-coloring, stains, etc. A stamp could have Very Fine centering and be in poor condition.

Therefore it is quite legitimate to list a stamp on US eBay which is Very Fine with holes, thins, tears and stains, if so stated.

Some may want to extend the centering criteria to incoude condtion, but that is not the custom as far as Scott goes.

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on Nov-12-07 at 06:27:42 PST

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Posted by philaweb ( 317

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on Nov-12-07 at 06:25:49 PST

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on Nov-12-07 at 05:28:10 PST

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Posted by 22028 ( 1665

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on Nov-12-07 at 04:56:58 PST

due2cents, I would love if more collectors get a bit more involved in the history of their collecting areas instead of just adding stamps and covers to fill the album pages. My wife i.e. is always surprised how many details I know about here home country Colombia. All I know i learned because of my interested in the stamps and postal hisotry of that country i usually answer here.

Posted by due2cents ( 26

) on Nov-12-07 at 04:49:46 PST

220man

nice article thanks for posting it.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-12-07 at 04:32:38 PST

ALEX Thats a nice early Malta useage in one of your lots .

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-12-07 at 04:12:19 PST

ALEX /AFEHT Just looked at your e-bay lots from Switzerland .

Here is a run down from a collector ------Your stamps are off-center and heavey canceled ,your selling broken sets ,your not identifing different colors ,perf. variation or paper variations but your using a ZUMSTEIN catalog,your also selling multiples of the same stamp are they different or is the buyer looking at more duplications .......sell better quality if your looking for bidders who want your lots .

Posted by stamps12345 ( 225

) on Nov-12-07 at 03:56:39 PST

AFEHT Welcome to this board ,don't think i've seen your postings before .

To better understand pricing of stamps ,you need to watch E-bay compeltetd auctions over a period of time .If you can also try getting a few older stamp auction catalogs with prices realized.It takes time to understand pricing and the market place don't mistake this with philatelic knowledge .It is a seperate area and one that takes years to understand .

It was a real eye opener for me to attend many East Coast auction were dealers from Europe and England attended with buyers from South America all bidding on the same stuff and some lots went unnoticed .Also when E-BAY started buying habits changed for the American dealers with new dealers coming on board and not knowing establised buying habits .

Many people {e-bay sellers } only know one side of the market place but attending shows and bourses opens a different market place and then the attending of stamp auctions a person gets to see the real wholesale market place . As you stated catalogs are really hopeful wish prices that a establish selling would like to get .

As you mentioned about Swiss classics ,two weeks ago I purchased a impressive early collection and paid a small percentage of catalog ,yes condition was a big factor but then the other buyers were trying to get it at a fraction of e-bay selling prices which gave me a nice auction lot that will round out my early Swiss collection .

Hope this helps understand real prices ....paul

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

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on Nov-12-07 at 03:18:19 PST

Paolo, if you read the terminology of quality descriptions used by auction houses world wide, it makes you frightened to bit on anything less then on absolute luxury items..

Posted by vonbag ( 207

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on Nov-12-07 at 03:14:34 PST

P.S. I recall of a tendency of writing, for instance:

"...slightly cut into upper margin, small thin spot, fine used"

I asked to the friend (a dealer across "La Manche") why did he write 'fine used' at the end of description when the stamp was defective; he told me that with his 'fine used' he meant that the cancel was neatly impressed; so despite the stamp was defective, it was a 'finely used' copy in his opinion.
I have observed a similar tendency of a few European dealers:
when you just read 'sauber gestempelt' (= neatly cancelled) you could also find a quality blemish on the stamp (such as a small thin, a shorter perforation, a small repair etc.).
Paolo

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

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on Nov-12-07 at 02:13:12 PST

As many of you know, I ma not only interested in stamps and postal history from the areas I collect but also in the history of the areas it self. In view of that, i have written a review on ebay which deals in the history and adventures of the Overland Mail Baghdad-Haifa which was established by 2 New New Zealander's in the 1920th. Have a look at:
http://reviews.ebay.com/Nairn-bus-to-Baghdad-The-story-of-Gerald-Nairn_W0QQugidZ10000000004650899

Posted by vonbag ( 207

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on Nov-12-07 at 02:06:27 PST

Jorija,

I totally agree regarding description of condition:
"... No way is any thinned stamp "Fine" in my concept of the term. ..."
Too, how many times have you seen a stamp described as 'sound' whilst bearing a thin, a crease or a tear.

Paolo (fussy 2)

Posted by 22028 ( 1665

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on Nov-12-07 at 01:29:37 PST

caindw0627, I support your noble idea but these stamps are not worth the listing fees ebay is charging...

Posted by jorija ( 405

) on Nov-12-07 at 00:57:50 PST

I've just received yet another group of stamps from overseas sellers described as MLH or VFMH which are plastered with the remains of 2 or more hinges, have gum thins paper thins and even the sort of tears that you get if you hamfistedly try to remove a hinge. Am I missing something in regards to how some oveseas sellers grade their stamps? The condition of these stamps I would rate from good heavily hinged through to spacefiller. No way is any thinned stamp "Fine" in my concept of the term. To me a VFMH stamp has a small hinge mark, but is otherwise perfect. Am I being too fussy?

Posted by caindw0627 ( 507

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on Nov-12-07 at 00:50:21 PST