eBay chatboard archive: Jul-23-07 to Jul-29-07 week

Posted by joey99   ( 73 ) on Jul-29-07 at 21:26:47 PDT   Listings
Hi, Please excuse this test. I'm seeing how this works:)
Posted by wrw1943   ( 2006 ) on Jul-29-07 at 21:19:50 PDT   Listings
Jaywild;

I don't have a clue what your talking about. I can't speak for anyone else, and can only speak about US expertizing, but certainly mistakes can be made, but since no-one who expertizes knows who the submissions come from (other than Mercer Bristow and Krystal Harter), there is no way for "vendettas" to come into play that I am aware of. I can't confirm what I don't know. Past my bedtime.
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-29-07 at 20:29:50 PDT   Listings
wrw1943… I am assuming you missed one of the points I emphasized, which is that the first hurdle any submission has to get past are the “experts” at the organization the stamp was sent to. This is where APS falls short, and as an example I linked to an APS certificate that was so risible the Braille Institute would have done a better job. In my personal experience, as well as that of others whose stamps knowledge I respect, APS is not above waging petty vendettas and wars against supposed “enemies”, which sadly spills over into their expertizing. I’m sure you personally are aware of the characters at APS of whom that description might apply. No need to confirm it here, if you'd rather not.

Jim
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jul-29-07 at 20:28:48 PDT   Listings
KNUDEN-----Nice showing of material
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jul-29-07 at 20:26:22 PDT   Listings
WHAT A OPPORTUNITY Boy -----could I open up after that last posting and light up this chat board ....about some of the other ABSURD statements .......but na !!!!!Had a good day working and want to go to sleep and dream of collections up for auction next winter.......paul
Posted by wrw1943   ( 2006 ) on Jul-29-07 at 19:23:54 PDT   Listings
EXPERTIZING;

It's late here in the East Coast and I've had a long (losing) day playing poker, but I wanted to make a few comments on something JAYWILD posted here a few days ago.

He basically recommended that someone use PSE as their expert committee of choice, rather than the PF or APS because he considers those committees to be too "picky".

I expertize for both PSE and APEX and consult with the PF, so I have no real "favorites" here, nor do I wish to promote any one over the other, but to say that ANY expert committee is too pickly is absurd! What submitter's pay for, are entitled to, and should expect from ANY expert committee is that the examiners will describe ANY flaws,faults or alterations that deviate from a perfect specimen. To do otherwise is to shirk the duty for which the submitter has paid.

Furthermore, if I, as an examiner, am allowed or encouraged to "overlook" any flaw, how do I know where to draw the line? Do I describe a short perf but not a perf tear? A perf thin but not a gum crease? You get the picture. We describe what we see. It's just that simple. Believe me, it's what every client of every expert committee wants, or ought to want - the truth - even though it may hurt.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-29-07 at 18:56:12 PDT   Listings
Bill,

yes, they are still original essays, it is only when the plate that produced the essay is used at a later date then they become posthumous printings of the essay but those are from different plates.

David B.
Posted by 220man   ( 153 ) on Jul-29-07 at 18:55:32 PDT   Listings
Jim: It makes one wonder how many death notices were delivered in that manner. Few I hope. Poignant indeed.
Phil
Posted by billsey   ( 848 ) on Jul-29-07 at 18:52:26 PDT   Listings
Are essays produced after the stamp has been released still valid? Here is a page of the Jacobson essays for Argentina, produced in 1882, after a slightly different design was released to the public! Jacobson was attempting to prove that they (a printer local to Argentina) could produce the same quality as the foreign printers they had been using.
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-29-07 at 18:32:05 PDT   Listings
rbstudio121… You should be the happiest person in the world! Why? Because now you can reacquaint yourself with the wonderful world of stamp collecting.

While it is doubtful the stamps you put away many years ago are worth a lot of money, if they provided enjoyment once they can do so again, in fact you can pick right back up where you left off. If you do decide to resume collecting, there are all kinds of friendly folks here to help out and answer any questions you might have. There are many worse ways to spend one’s time than mounting postage stamps in albums.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-29-07 at 18:27:18 PDT   Listings
NOIP… Here’s a poignant October 5 item I did not bid on. A wife sent a nice thick letter (4x first class rate—you can see how the CDS ran off the top of a bundle of paper inside the cover) to her husband in the infantry, who was apparently killed in action a short time later, before the letter got to him.

One can only hope that she received a telegram or other notification of his death before this cover came back as it did.

Jim
Posted by rbstudio121   ( 0 )   on Jul-29-07 at 18:14:06 PDT   Listings
New to this chat room.
Question: I just came across an envelope full of stamps I had collected back in the late 70s/early 80s. They include stamps from Ghana, Peru, Italy, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, S. Africa, Argentina and lots more. Should I be happy?????
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-29-07 at 15:37:03 PDT   Listings
Mitch

Use this link

PC
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-29-07 at 15:35:43 PDT   Listings
Mitch

One of your Belgium "essays" looks like one in this link


PC
Posted by knuden   ( 2301 ) on Jul-29-07 at 14:47:08 PDT   Listings
I would like to show some interesting proofs too. :O)

1. Denmark. Proof of Postal wrapper (3 known in this color).

2. Sudetenland. Proof of Postal card.

3. Sudetenland. Proof of meter cancel on the manufactures index card. (One known of this type.)

4. Bosnia & Herzegovina. Proof in black.

5. Bosnia & Herzegovina. Plate proof.

6. Czechoslovakia. Color proof.

7. Czechoslovakia. Proof

8. Czechoslovakia. Proof on colored paper.

9. Czechoslovakia. Proof of Special Delivery stamps.

10. Czechoslovakia. Proof of overprint on 1. Air Mail issue. Correct stamps of 1. issue.

11. Czechoslovakia. Proof.

12. Czechoslovakia. Proof in unissued color.

13. Czechoslovakia. (Eastern Silesia) Proof of overprint.

14. Czechoslovakia. (Czechoslovak Legion in Siberia) Plate proof..

15. Czechoslovakia. (Czechoslovak Legion in Siberia) Plate proof.

1. Czechoslovakia. Essay.

17. Czechoslovakia. Even if these sometimes get good money on eBay, it's not proof but printers waste and is very common! Printers waste.

18. Christiania, Denmark. This "hippietown" is a abandoned military area in the middle of Copenhagen, which was occupied in 1971 and still is. They issue their own local stamps, which are used as a payment for getting mail in and out of Christiania as Post Denmark isn't distributing mail inside the area. Proof of some the first local stamps. - Card with local stamp only. Back of card (text reads: "A flower in the middle of the City") - Cover with local stamp.

K.E   I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!


Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-29-07 at 14:46:16 PDT   Listings
A special for Roly and coincidently, image o' the day.
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Jul-29-07 at 14:35:26 PDT   Listings
Claghorn shows a good lesson. Even those fakes in the Fourmier album are correctly classified as "proofs"
Posted by stampmad   ( 1088 ) on Jul-29-07 at 14:29:31 PDT   Listings
D1 You may know your revenues but geez you still got this wrong in your relisting. As I said before this is a duplex of Longreach not a stand alone numeral obliterator.

http://cgi.ebay.com/QUEENSLAND-Postmark-Rays-592-of-Benowa-rated_W0QQitemZ280138620800QQihZ018QQcategoryZ3469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Jul-29-07 at 14:20:52 PDT   Listings
Mitch
Those could be just pictures of Belgian essays rather than the originals but I do not know for certain. I have the last one in rose with large margins.
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Jul-29-07 at 14:18:27 PDT   Listings
Maybe NOW is the time to put all of your money into 1937-1954 three cent sheets. I won't do it because I never follow my own advice even though I am always right. I think there are millions of little kids all over the world that will be clamoring to pay 25 cents in todays dollars tommorrow to get a US 3 cent stamp. As soon as they quit starving in all those countries my mother said they were starving in if I didn't eat my broccoli they will be buying Scott National albums. I am going to put all my cash into singles for my worlwide albums!
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-29-07 at 12:24:50 PDT   Listings
E U S C
Ebay Users Stamp Club Meeting

I would just like to remind everyone to help promote the club by spreading the word.
The easiest way to do this is by handing out or placing (at the sign-in tables or booths)
EUSC fliers at stamp shows.

Here is the APS list for shows and exhibitions.

Other easy ways to support the club are by adding links to our site in your auction listings.
Inviting people you do business with on ebay is also another way you can help.

Of course any ideas by other members are always welcomed and encouraged.

If any of the board members have any old or new business please bring it forth.



Happy Stampin,
Mitchell
el Presidente'


Posted by malolo   ( 847 ) on Jul-29-07 at 11:31:36 PDT   Listings
Aloha -

It's been a busy week.

Bob in WA CHECK YOUR EBAY MESSAGES . There is a really neat bridge card being offered.

Bill C -
Thanks for taking up the slack and showing those Swiss "after the fact" proofs.

jaywild - Glad to have helped.

To everyone - great showing of proofs. Too bad so many of the resulting stamps received such heavy cancels.

Roger
Posted by infla-alec   ( 553 ) on Jul-29-07 at 11:16:29 PDT   Listings
Mitch They sure look similar to the adopted designs so my guess is yes Essay's.
By the way a very enjoyable monthly topic which has been thoroughly enjoyed by all. I to be honest didn't expect so many to participate. But it seems there are indeed many collectors here who are into extending their collections beyond the normal. So my thanks to everyone who was able to show material.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-29-07 at 10:46:13 PDT   Listings
Does anyone know anything about these I assume they are Belgium essays as they are not issued stamps.
Posted by tlawrencestamps   ( 1449 ) on Jul-29-07 at 08:28:14 PDT   Listings
Should have read: Thank You, to all of you who have gone through the effort, to show scans of Proof's etc.
Posted by tlawrencestamps   ( 1449 ) on Jul-29-07 at 08:26:13 PDT   Listings
Thank You, to all you have gone to the effort, to show scans of Proof's etc.

Some of the items are familiar to me, while others, I had never seen before. Was nice seeing even the familiar items again especially with some of the high definition scans.

Tremendous amount of both knowledge & talent on this board. Now if y'all could only get along a little better.... Ted.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3742 ) on Jul-29-07 at 05:53:03 PDT   Listings
eshaw225 - I just viewed your eBay purchases. You have already bought a Scott Vol 1 which includes UN. Just look the damm things up.

timewasted-raff

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3742 ) on Jul-29-07 at 05:45:40 PDT   Listings

eshaw225 - first you will have to get a catalog. A Scott Specialized lists UN as well as some commercial catalogs such as Brookman or Harris. A used catalog from the past 2 years should do fine.

With a few exceptions there is little relationship between "catalog value" and market value. Peruse the UN stamps on eBay for real life examples. Ads in the back of Linns Stamp News used to offer to purchase accumulations of UN mint OG NH for 75 - 80 percent of face value.

The first souvenir sheet #38 is likely the most desirable item. Should you have marginal inscription blocks some of the earliers bring a premium. The 1-1/2c first issue precancel is a better item as well. Some Offices in Geneva and Vienna too.

The sad bottom line is that there is really not much demand for UN stamps, and regardless of what a catalog says a value is, it is the demand of the market which rules the roost with UN.

In yesterday's mail I received a mailing from a dealer franked with values from the first issue. He likely bought them at a huge discount from face, and is known for almost exclusively mailing from NYC with UN stamps.

If you were given the collection you are going to be ok.

Start with looking thru eBay closed auctions.

UN-raff

Posted by eshaw225   ( 12 ) on Jul-29-07 at 04:44:59 PDT   Listings
just received a large United Nations stamp collection. How do I go about cataloging it?
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-29-07 at 02:22:06 PDT   Listings
Mitch, in the case of Tonga most proofs exist as they were found in a cupboard drawer in the estate of the engravers grandson. In Niger Coast's case they were sold by the printers at in the 1920's.

A lot of proofing material was purloined from PO or prnters archives and in the case of Australia some were even repurchased 100 years later at market value by the PO.

There is absolutely no relationship between their value and the value of the issued stamps, in some cases it will be lower but in my cases the value is by supply and demand. The demand is enormous and the supply extremely limited and some of them sell for $1000's each while the issued stamps only cats a few dollars.

David B.
Posted by stampmad   ( 1088 ) on Jul-29-07 at 01:51:01 PDT   Listings
D1 This description is not correct. You are showing the rays of the 592 duplex of Longreach. 692 only exists as a barred numeral.

http://cgi.ebay.com/QUEENSLAND-Postmark-Rays-692-of-EATON-VALE-rated-4R_W0QQitemZ280138401391QQihZ018QQcategoryZ3469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Posted by sheryll*net   ( 91 ) on Jul-29-07 at 01:01:02 PDT   Listings
Great showings of proofs, everyone!

Here's a few of my favourites:

US one-frame exhibit - The United States 1869 Issue - Ninety Cents Lincoln Design, by William Ainsworth

Interesting country - Upper Bongoland, from an exhibit by Dr. Kwame Obeye-Amin

US prime number (Sc293 - $2 Trans-Mississippi):

- proofs and a hybrid essay, from the collection of Bob in WA, who might like to describe them in more detail

- plate proof plate number block of 4, from a Rumsey auction, late 1990's?


New Hebrides proofs:

- A group of perplexing essays - New Hebrides 1893 Military Franchise essays, see pp6-12. The real story of how these printings are linked is yet to be told!

- 1897 Australasian New Hebrides Company 1d local - black/blue and pink/deep blue, from the Mele collection. The story of these locals is on pp13-15 above. The third proof (black and brown) is in the Luff reference collection at the Philatelic Foundation in New York. Does anyone know if that is available for viewing by the general public?

- 1925 Dual Currency issue. Alas, this is all I have of these.

- 1925 Dual Currency issue 5 shilling, from the Namba 2 collection. Go to Roland's site as linked, then click on the 1925 section (C, 1, 3), and see the story of the printing development of the British 5 shilling value unfold.

S2
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-28-07 at 23:43:02 PDT   Listings
Darn Frames. HERE is the link.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-28-07 at 23:42:00 PDT   Listings
Here is the link to the NOT Rare Swiss Trial Color Proofs. Credit goes to Roger for pointing these not proofs which show up often on eBay.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-28-07 at 23:24:03 PDT   Listings
WOW.......glad to see all the great showings on this months EUSC topic. Methinks there maybe some folks out there that might consider collecting proofs after this.

Hi Dave I was wondering the same thing. David Benson mentioned this earlier and I was hoping he would explain how different countries dealt with proofs. Hint hint.

As far as the U.S. goes here are the second and third issues.
Posted by philatarium   ( 235 ) on Jul-28-07 at 22:49:35 PDT   Listings
Question on the whole proof subject:
Basically, have some countries made them available and others not? If so, were they legitimately released or did they exit through some sort of back-door connection?

I ask because I don't recall ever seeing a proof for a Japanese stamp.

Thanks in advance for anybody's input.

(And I've gotta admit, the US ones look great! I'm in love!)

-- Dave
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-28-07 at 22:20:43 PDT   Listings
NOIP… Last post from me tonight on the proof topic. Ant-Ra’s beautiful newspaper proofs prompted me to dig out some proofs of US Officials—Department of Agriculture, Department of the Navy, and the Department of Justice.

Roger the Swiss Hawaiian may recognize a few of these…



Jim
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1375 ) on Jul-28-07 at 21:34:48 PDT   Listings

My ISP’s email service was down for most of the day. That’s been frustrating. I’m trying to get a seller to refund me the shortfall from his underinsuring it through the Post Office. His faulty packing is what caused the problem in the first place.
Jim L.

member
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-28-07 at 19:56:24 PDT   Listings
rich, they are no watermark paper and in different colors than the issued stamps.

Proofs are often found perforated which were used for testing the layout of the comb perforating machine which had to be adjusted to fit the size of the various stamps.

David B.
Posted by djs127   ( 594 ) on Jul-28-07 at 19:39:59 PDT   Listings
In today's mail a large package arrived with my latest 3 lots which I won on Ebay:
STAMP COLLECTING BOOK PAGES 1930-35 STARTS ITALY PG401 (280131871861)
STAMP COLLECTING BOOK PAGES 1901-1920 GERMAN SW AFRICA (280133317697)
STAMP COLLECTING BOOK PAGES ITALY THRU ZANZIBAR 1935-38 (280135396099)
Looks like putting these pages into my international binders will keep me busy for a while.
David Snyder
Posted by rich-in-pa   ( 209 ) on Jul-28-07 at 19:33:59 PDT   Listings
D2...David,why were the plate proofs perforated and how can you tell they are proofs?
Rich
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-28-07 at 19:04:59 PDT   Listings
Niger Coast Essays & proofs,

http://www.image4u.org/deebee/ncp1.jpg

http://www.image4u.org/deebee/ncp2.jpg

http://www.image4u.org/deebee/ncp3.jpg

http://www.image4u.org/deebee/ncp4.jpg

David B.
Posted by 3emarketeers   ( 1543 ) on Jul-28-07 at 18:49:07 PDT   Listings
Just wanted to say thanks to those of you who offered me some help, the other day, on selling some sheets of stamps. I've ordered a Scott catalog as suggested. I'm sure I'll have more questions for you soon. Looks like the first auction is off to a pretty good start (I think) I really appreciate it. Thanks again, Angela
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-28-07 at 18:29:56 PDT   Listings
NOIP… Hmmm…

Jim
Posted by bwiphilately   ( 359 ) on Jul-28-07 at 17:41:02 PDT   Listings
Linda, D2 and Peter - Many thanks for the compliments. Glad you liked my "display".
Posted by bjornmu   ( 935 ) on Jul-28-07 at 16:49:13 PDT   Listings
iomoon, glad to hear the postcard already arrived. And no, I didn't watch it being cancelled (though I really should have), I just put it in the mailbox together with two others. I actually had trouble finding appropriate postcards in Heimaey, but finally located them in a bookstore. My last option would have been to walk to the airport.

As for the funga and fauna stamps, that's what I got at the post office in Seyðisfjörður, they didn't have any of the exact rate.

BTW, on a tour today the last and least interesting stop was in Hveragerði, a small town whose existence in based around a geothermal field. But it's also the home town of an eBay seller I bought from just days before I left for vacation! It's a small world.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 433 ) on Jul-28-07 at 16:16:04 PDT   Listings
Good Morning from a sunny Melbourne!

if the person who was enquiring about 22K gold stamps last week is still reading the board, I came across a few this week, selling for under a Dollar,
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290131735543
was one. Sorry seems they are worth even less than I first thought.


Keep the proofs / essays coming I'm enjoying all of them ! and thanks David for the link to Arthur's collection, one or two of those proofs went through my hands, oh the memories!!!

HAPPY SUNDAY
Linda
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-28-07 at 15:36:24 PDT   Listings
Arthur Gray's Australia Kangaroo collection which included many Essays, Die & Plate Proofs,

http://www.stampauctionnetwork.com/F/F89.cfm

The realisations were astounding,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-28-07 at 14:36:09 PDT   Listings
BWI, you should be commended for your showing of Grenada essays & trials.

David B.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 80 ) on Jul-28-07 at 14:23:18 PDT   Listings
BWI Thanks for your help/ideas. The mark is slight surface damage and the stamp has no gum. Great showing by the way on Mauritius & Grenada.
cheers
Peter
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-28-07 at 13:00:11 PDT   Listings
Bob Beautiful stuff, glad you will able to get them posted. I agree with the value of proofs vs stamps but you do have several there that are worth more than the stamps.

You also reminded me of another set I have, that I just plain forgot about. I think it would be hard to find a more beautiful set of stamps than these
Posted by rclwa   ( 970 ) on Jul-28-07 at 12:22:44 PDT   Listings
My good friend Dave Frick kindly sent me the means to access some of the images he has hosted for me. As I do not have my templates for quickly forming neater links, I will take the liberty of quickly pasting in URLs. Here are a few examples of my proofs:

Large die proof
http://www.pacificanalytics.com/rcl/can156ldp.jpg

Another
http://www.pacificanalytics.com/rcl/240ldp.jpg

Two more bridges
http://www.pacificanalytics.com/rcl/BrProofs1.jpg

And a large gathering
http://www.pacificanalytics.com/rcl/BrProofs2.jpg

I have many others, but these are readily available to post and give a good idea of the types I like. I do feel it is important to discern between proofs issued for collectors and those actually used in the design process. I have never quite understood why some proofs, both more perfect and much rarer than their finished stamp counterparts, still have a small fraction of the stamp value.

I also like plate proofs, which unlike die proofs, are sometimes available in multiples. Here's an example from my nude collection:
http://www.pacificanalytics.com/rcl/Newsp24blk.jpg

Time getting short, and library is closed Sunday, so I'll check back on Monday.

Bob in WA
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-28-07 at 11:09:01 PDT   Listings
Alex I have seen a few used U.S. proofs. I believe the second stamp here is a used proof on stamp paper. There ia also a proof and two stamps from the 1873 issue 3 cent bank note for reference.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-28-07 at 10:30:34 PDT   Listings
NOIP one seller has this policy

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I have lost hundreds of dollars due to this PayPal policy.  For this reason I WILL NO MORE ACCEPT PAYPAL unless Registration service is added.  Sorry but I hope you understand the reason.
Payment Instructions : After auctions end, if you want to send payment ahead, just add the total of your win(s) up to 5 lots, add $0.95 for shipping to USA, $0.75 to Canada and $1.75 for the rest of the world. Heavier letters will be quoted shipping accordingly. Missing amounts will delay the shipping of the lot(s) until full amount is remitted. I will not be responsible for lots lost or damaged in the mail. Registration service is mandatory to some countries with unsafe mail system as China PR, Indonesia, Malaysia, Russia and South America. This Shipping charge applies ONLY ONCE, regardless of the number of lots you win but heavier packages will require an additional postage charge.
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Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-28-07 at 09:55:32 PDT   Listings
Proofs
Hungary
Spain
Belgium and COngo
Posted by chaswilly   ( 1638 ) on Jul-28-07 at 09:07:09 PDT   Listings
infla-alec Count that one (or save to file) as one I owe you for the OPD research. Only thing better would have been an upper margin. Sold my block of four with upper margin at Köhler auction several years ago and I didn't keep a scan.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 553 ) on Jul-28-07 at 08:57:59 PDT   Listings
Charles Lovely clean item and of course one from my own collecting speciality. Though I wouldn't classify a trial printing as a proof myself but strictly speaking that trial print was meant to have been run as a check just prior to the start up of the actual print run to ensure cleanliness etc of the printing plate and the philatelic term andruckprobe does translate as a proof so in other words it qualifiies for the meeting topic and yes I am green with envy :-) I shall also retract my earlier statement that no essays or proofs for the OPD issues exist.

For those that don't know that actual trial print was one of only one sheet known to have survived destruction after the trial run. It is believed that one sheet was sent accidentaly to the Erfurt Post Office which would have given 100 copies. A few are known to still exist in unused condition but a handful are known used on cover. Those on cover I believe to have been philatelicly inspired as the other examples I have seen all bear the same handwriting or virtually the exact same franking. None the less a very rare item which 100% went through the mailing system and was accepted as part of the postal rate. I very much doubt many other proofs exist from anywhere which were actually postally used.

Now we wait and see if someone proves me wrong.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-28-07 at 08:36:34 PDT   Listings
Roger How about that link to the "proofs" of the helvetia which you give occasionally?
Posted by chaswilly   ( 1638 ) on Jul-28-07 at 08:04:35 PDT   Listings
Andruckprobe zu 10 Milliarden Mark der OPD Erfurt, The trial printing of the 10 Billion Mark overprint of the OPD Erfurt on domestic letter paying the proper rate of 160 Billion Marks from Erfurt to Berlin for a domestic letter plus registry (during the 4 times face period). See here. Uncommon postally used.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-28-07 at 07:45:29 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

My abolutely favorite set of color proofs I do not own.
The images were kindly sent to me by the grandson of the illustrator.
They depict what was probably an eruption of the volcano, Fuego.
They were never issued because of possible bad publicity for the country.
Anyway:

Brown

Red

Blue

Green

Purple
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3742 ) on Jul-28-07 at 05:47:47 PDT   Listings

Groovy.

60s-raff

Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1375 ) on Jul-28-07 at 05:24:12 PDT   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all



Jim L.

member
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-28-07 at 04:06:55 PDT   Listings
sixmango Scinde Dawh here

Forgery Identification Site

Posted by bluehillsbooks   ( 1637 ) on Jul-28-07 at 01:16:45 PDT   Listings
Thanks to you, Iomoon. Your information is very helpful. I guess I've have to leave the Presentation Packs alone and only fill the albums with singles from elsewhere.
Posted by bluehillsbooks   ( 1637 ) on Jul-28-07 at 01:10:00 PDT   Listings
Postalhysteria, (like that moniker!)
Thanks for your help. I have often been puzzled by what you mention. How can a serious stamp collector send a payment with a machine cancel or a definitive??? I have ALWAYS used current commems on envelopes to customers or sellers. With the Post Office getting more "iffy" with regard to service....they raise the rates and cut the service!!! Issue "Forever Stamps"....which no one I've talked to seems to think was a good idea. Lines are always long and they don't seem to work any faster. I asked one customer service person this week whether they were trying to loose customers. I got this shpeel about how it was a business and blah, blah, blah. There forcing people to reconsider other carriers, IMHO. UPS is starting to look like a better option. How much do you think they make from collectors who buy stamps that will never be used for postage? Philatelic "Stores" in the Boston area are all closed. Hours are being reduced. (used to be open till 6:00 during the week, now its 5:30 and only till noon on Saturday. I have received several "final notices" on packages when I never got a first notice!! Parcel post just recently went on a lower priority, so I got mail from England faster than from the USA....one package took 3 weeks and the tracking number kept saying it was at the point of shipping. Now, you got me started. I really think philatelists need to use some clout to influence better service. They make a LOT of money on such as we.
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Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-27-07 at 22:25:45 PDT   Listings
Sixmango Welcome to the stamp chat!
We really don't sell or buy on this board. Its against ebay rules.
I doubt many ever go through ebay as they are quite scarce and valueable.
Posted by sixmango   ( 38 ) on Jul-27-07 at 22:02:07 PDT   Listings
Looking for "Scinde Dawk"
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 433 ) on Jul-27-07 at 21:17:50 PDT   Listings
bwi thank you! what a truly amazing display you have shown today.

Keep the links coming, I am really enjoying this months displays. Wish I had something to show!
Linda
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-27-07 at 20:57:12 PDT   Listings
kewlest = coolest

PC
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3742 ) on Jul-27-07 at 20:50:11 PDT   Listings

What is kewlest?

Re Printed Matter, that is a term for overseas mail, domestic mail of the same kind is third class.

riff-raff

Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jul-27-07 at 19:45:50 PDT   Listings
Proofs from Paul's collection , NICARAGUA....
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1375 ) on Jul-27-07 at 19:42:58 PDT   Listings
Greetings,

The only proofs I could put up are white paper proofs of Precancel Devices. It was not "proper" to create them and they are no where as interesting or pretty as what you guys are posting.

member
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1989 ) on Jul-27-07 at 18:40:26 PDT   Listings
pro: yes, printed matter rate. Nice early Barry machine to boot.
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-27-07 at 18:40:13 PDT   Listings
Peter C… Here is an enlargement of the area of the 24¢ stamps you were asking about. What is spotty printing makes it look as if the curl extends farther on the stamp. It actually doesn’t.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-27-07 at 18:27:01 PDT   Listings
cfrphoto… I don’t know how you could have inferred that I was urging anyone to seek out an expertizing service that would overlook faults. That’s pretty defamatory, actually, and not something I would have said even if I held your opinions in contempt.

Anyone who has sent off for dozens of certificates will understand what I mean by APS’s proclivity for finding faults that aren’t there. They are also extremely weak in their knowledge of certain aspects of classic US stamps, TYPE IV 10¢ Washingtons for one example. Here is a particularly laughable APS goof, perforations authenticated by none other than Mercer Bristow , APS’s perforation guru, who goes around the US lecturing about how to spot fake perfs. I don’t need to go any further than that cert in forming an opinion of APS, on the subject of anything.

True, if the in-house experts don’t know the material it is sent out to someone who does. This pool overlaps between the three major expertizers considerably, however the in-house expertise is what I am talking about. PSE has consistently been able to confirm very difficult stamps IDs, while APS regularly flubs them.

PSE will certainly note faults that are present in the stamp, but they don’t go “creating” them.

Jim
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-27-07 at 18:16:05 PDT   Listings
Mitch

I think this negative imagemay show better what I mean. There are more black area in the two areas I circled.

PC
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Jul-27-07 at 18:07:40 PDT   Listings
Jaywild

Am I correct that this is a Printed Matter mailing
going by the unsealed flap and the Undated CDS

Printedmatterrate
Posted by bwiphilately   ( 359 ) on Jul-27-07 at 17:49:50 PDT   Listings
greenwave4u regarding your Nyasaland Protectorate 1/ stamp
I have two Jamaica War Tax stamps with a similar small green marking at the top of each, and also bearing a faint local Specimen handstamp (click here). These stamps were sent to the Bechuanaland Protectorate post office where they received this type of Specimen handstamp. According to someone at Argyll Etkin, the green mark was applied with a crayon when a post office audit was performed.

Your stamp appears to bear the same type of green crayon mark. I can't tell whether the faint black mark in the lower right corner is a dirt smudge, a cancel, or a faint letter that could be part of a Specimen handstamp. Does your stamp have gum? Mine do not because they were affixed to a page and later soaked off.

I believe the Bechuanaland Protectorate Post Office collection was sold at auction by Robson Lowe in Basel in 1976.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Jul-27-07 at 17:30:15 PDT   Listings
Here are some Official type stamps that are in a glassine
marked Proofs

They are like Card stock printed
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-27-07 at 17:23:30 PDT   Listings
Peter I agree with Jaywild that I see no difference in that area of the stamp (and you should not).
I also agree with him that it is one of kewlest stamps. The banknotes are one of my favorite sets and the 24 cent Scott is by far my favorite of the set. here are a few from my collection. The first is an india proof the 2nd a card proof and the third an india from the last issue. The fourth is a color trial proof in Black.
I don't have as nice a stamp as Jim to compare them to.
I've been looking for a long time but they are very hard to find with good color, centering and nice cancel.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-27-07 at 17:23:29 PDT   Listings
Peter I agree with Jaywild that I see no difference in that area of the stamp (and you should not).
I also agree with him that it is one of kewlest stamps. The banknotes are one of my favorite sets and the 24 cent Scott is by far my favorite of the set. here are a few from my collection. The first is an india proof the 2nd a card proof and the third an india from the last issue. The fourth is a color trial proof in Black.
I don't have as nice a stamp as Jim to compare them to.
I've been looking for a long time but they are very hard to find with good color, centering and nice cancel.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-27-07 at 17:16:47 PDT   Listings
Paul Please do not confuse my point, I was not agreeing with you or supporting you, quite the contrary!
I do agree on one point with you, stamp prices in all ranges are increasing.
On the same note I disagree with numerous statemnets you have made that stamps should not be investments.
Yes, there might be better places for your money but stamps are swell and a few bozos on the planet (myself included) think they might be a reasonable way to invest if they are purchased properly.
Posted by bwiphilately   ( 359 ) on Jul-27-07 at 16:56:07 PDT   Listings
Meeting topic - essays and proofs
The first stamps of Grenada were printed by Perkins Bacon. In 1883, De La Rue proposed a new design in an attempt to obtain the contract for the printing of Grenada's stamps. Shown here is a hand-drawn watercolor essay of the design on tracing paper in ultramarine, created by a De La Rue artist. The design was modeled on the 25 cent stamp of Mauritius. This essay was sent to Grenada for approval, but a later proposal by De La Rue was accepted resulting in the first tete beche issue (Scott 20a-26a, Gibbons 30a-36a).
In 1887, the need for a one penny stamp with a "Postage and Revenue" inscription resulted in this essay being sent to Grenada for approval. On rejection, this bi-color essay was submitted. The final stamp was printed in a single color in tete-beche format as before (Scott 30a, Gibbons 40a).
For the Queen Victoria Keyplate Issue of 1895-99, De La Rue used this essay to propose an interesting design for the two penny value. The essay is hand-drawn in mauve, green and Chinese white, and features natives operating a bovine-powered sugarcane press.
Development of the approved Keyplate design can be seen with these essays, which are modified Imperium stamps. These original working die proofs of the country name and value tablet for each Keyplate denomination are from the De La Rue archives. The final stamps can be seen here (Scott 39-46, Gibbons 48-55).
Posted by infla-alec   ( 553 ) on Jul-27-07 at 16:02:52 PDT   Listings
Bob in WA Maybe it is time to buy a new computer ? Or perhaps someone here can let you have a spare one they have to use until you manage to get your own fixed ?
I know you are a collector of proofs and essay's but I haven't seen many of them and I'm sure others would like to see what you have also.

Grading US stamps topic I don't understand why the US grading system is not amalgamated and run by one body that everyone will use and recognise as being reliable. A set standard of rules for expertizing can be agreed and every recognised expert should abide by that code. A maximum cost is also known to everyone so no chance of sudenly being hit with an unexpected invoice. Many European countries already have similar bodies and systems in place. By that I mean only someone who has prooved themselves competant to expertize material "x,y or z" is allowed to do so. They also must have reference material and not rely on just examining the one copy submitted for examination.
Surely with all the various bodies dishing out certificates and ones not trusting body "x" etc for whatever reason the collector is often going to be the one who loses out ? I mean how does the average collector know who is best to use ? I really feel for all you US collectors out there when it comes to knowing who to submit material to.
That said the same rule applies really for British Commonwealth. I for one would not like to have a dealer issue a certificate on anything. Too risky in my opinion with possible conflict of interest.
Posted by philatarium   ( 235 ) on Jul-27-07 at 15:59:42 PDT   Listings
Hi, Bob/rclwa!

I just sent you an email with some info, in case it helps you find and post some of your essay images.

Please don't hesitate to contact me if you need any help. (Contact info in the email.)

Best,

-- Dave
Posted by cfrphoto   ( 1133 ) on Jul-27-07 at 15:34:15 PDT   Listings
jaywild,

I doubt if anyone who happens to own an unwatermarked perf 10 30 cent US #476A would agree with you. Each expertizing service has its set of strengths and weaknesses. Older PF certificates can be problematic, particular for US perf 12 flat plate coils. Since expertizing standards vary, different results are possible, especially if the availability of reference material is limited or non-existent. In some cases, only a few individuals have experience expertizing certain items and may or may not be available to a specific expertizing committee.

Not all of the committes provide guaranteed certificates or grading. Collectors tend to prefer the APS while certain dealers prefer the Philatelic Foundation. Many prefer the PSE for grading and fast turn around. All of the expertizing services make occasional expertizing errors or sometimes fail to transcribe the findings correctly to the certificate.

Also, I doubt if any of the three expertizing committees will consistently overlook faults on a stamp that others will call out. If anything, standards are rising, and faults overlooked years ago will now be mentioned.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 80 ) on Jul-27-07 at 15:30:14 PDT   Listings
The mark gives all the appearance of being made by some sort of chalk.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-27-07 at 15:25:40 PDT   Listings
Peter, many examples of the green paper of the various colonies have faded or be chemically changed to lose the greenness and appear to be on white paper. The interesting aspect of yours is the green stroke. Is it an overprint, paint stroke, ink mark or what,


David B.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 80 ) on Jul-27-07 at 15:13:57 PDT   Listings
DavidB Yes I know, I asked on the RSC site but drew a blank! But it's clearly not on coloured paper like the others, wmk OK though.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-27-07 at 15:01:17 PDT   Listings
Peter,

very hard to prove unless there is a reference to it somewhere.

David B.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 80 ) on Jul-27-07 at 14:55:03 PDT   Listings
Bob Worth changing your PC power supply. A failing power supply will cause that type of fault.
Peter
Posted by rclwa   ( 970 ) on Jul-27-07 at 14:36:49 PDT   Listings
Hi all. I'm agonizing, seeing the subject is one of my favorites, proofs and essays, and I am still checking emails at the library and have no way to scan or post any of the many proofs and essays I own. I do have a few already hosted online, which I have shown before, but the reference URLs are all on my ailing computer, not written down anywhere.

In addition to a considerable number of proofs and essays, many of which were my father's, but many others acquired by me in the last 25 years, I also am proud to own a COMPLETE run of the Essay-Proof Society quarterly journals, which ran from 1944 until it's demise around 2000. I was a member in those last years.

If I can manage to access some URLs, I'll try to post something, but odds are slim. My computer freezes solid soon after startup, so I haven't bothered to even try lately, just hitting the nearby library daily. But I'll give it another whack, maybe tomorrow.

Mitch, don't you dare! We are stewards of our philatelic treasures, beholden to future students to care for them.

Bob in WA
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 80 ) on Jul-27-07 at 14:33:56 PDT   Listings
Evening all...
D2,Rainer,Mitch Those were worth starting early, fascinating stuff!
Nearly on topic can anyone tell me if the stamp on the
left which is black on white would be a printer's trial, SG93 and 93a are shown on the right respectively?


Been having fun for the past 24 hours, a colleague from the RSC tipped me off that SG had a large collection of cheque stamps up for sale, the first ones they have had for 4 years and the largest collection for more than 20 years. Picked up some nice stamps. Now broke:-)


Peter


Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-27-07 at 14:28:32 PDT   Listings
I should have added, I liked the touch with the mushroom stamp.
After all, some volcanoes produce mushroom clouds!
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-27-07 at 14:17:00 PDT   Listings
Bjorn

Many thanks for the postcard which arrived today.
You must have stood over the canceller while it was being done!!
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-27-07 at 13:32:21 PDT   Listings
One of the interesting aspects of Proofs and Essays is their popularity and therefor value in various countries.

In British Commonwealth areas they are looked up to as being of great importance and the prices realised at Auctions can be astronomical and bear no relation to the value of the issued stamps whilst in some countries they are looked down on and the prices realised are very low,

David B.
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-27-07 at 13:23:49 PDT   Listings
Jim

The scroll next to the arrow on the stamp seems to be much longer than the one on the proof. 24


PC
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-27-07 at 13:13:09 PDT   Listings
Iomoon… All I had to see in your message was “Côte d’Ivoire” to know it was really from Scamville!!

Jim
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-27-07 at 13:11:46 PDT   Listings
Martinique color proof, courtesy of Bob in WA.
Note the cuts in the paper, typical of French proofs.
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-27-07 at 13:10:13 PDT   Listings
Peter C… I can’t see any design differences between the proof and the regular issue 24¢ Winfield Scott stamps.

Jim
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-27-07 at 13:05:59 PDT   Listings
Mitch

I guess my post to you has somehow triggered the early start of the meeting. I hope you're ok with it. :-)


PC
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-27-07 at 12:52:49 PDT   Listings
Jim

It seems to me that the 24c proof and the stamp have some design differences. Is this normal?


PC
Posted by infla-alec   ( 553 ) on Jul-27-07 at 12:48:03 PDT   Listings
Essay's and Proofs Some really fantastic showings so far and I hope to see more by as many as possible.

However not a single one is in my collection which is no surprise really as none exist for what I collect.
That said should anyone here wish to participate and lacks the skills to upload and show your image I once again offer my services to upload and post the picture for you. Or I will upload and reply giving you the information necessary to post the link yourself.
In the first instance simply contact me via ebay.

Knud-Erik I have forwarded the information you sent to Rainer in Germany and hopefully he wil be in touch with you. He does speak a little English but not a great deal. If there is any difficulty understanding him I can translate if need be.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-27-07 at 12:36:53 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

Now I've seen everything (well almost everything).
Spam in French:

Bonjour,
Victimes de la crise environnementale et sanitaire sans précédent qui a touché la Côte d'Ivoire ; des produits chimiques issus d'un navire étranger et déversés fin août 2006 dans des décharges publiques d'Abidjan ont intoxiqué des milliers de personnes dont toute ma famille et moi même. Je m’appelle Valérie Coulibaly, j’ai 22 ans j'aurai besoin de votre aide, mais je voudrais que vous soyer vraiment sincère et sûr de m'aider. Je pense que je peux vous faire confiance. La société originaire de cette catastrophe a versé au Gouvernement Ivoirien la somme 152 Millions d’Euros pour dédommager les victimes et autres. Vous pouvez aller sur le site de RFI pour voir les informations.

Mon père très affecté, affaibli décède deux mois après. Ma mère après avoir fait toutes les démarches de dédommagement décéda 3 jours après avoir reçu la confirmation du transfert d’un montant de 10 Millions d’Euros sur un compte bloqué en son nom. Je vous sollicite dans le but de m’aider à débloquer le compte, transférer les fonds dans votre pays et investir dans un domaine profitable car la situation sociopolitique de mon pays n’est pas stable. Aujourd’hui, n’ayant personne à mes côtés, je veux que vous m’aider d’une manière sincère. J’aimerais savoir votre âge, ce que vous faites dans la vie comme activité. Suite à votre réponse, je vous ferais parvenir une copie de l’extrait de compte et une copie de ma carte nationale d’identité ainsi que les coordonnées de la banque afin que vous rentriez en contact avec les autorités bancaires pour la procédure à suivre. J’attends urgemment votre réponse.
Posted by 22028   ( 1636 ) on Jul-27-07 at 12:20:37 PDT   Listings
Topic is proofs and essays..., well I have quite a number of them in my Tibet collection.

Native Proof of the 1912 issue:
http://fuchs-online.com/my_ebay/24_09.10.2006.htm

Waterlow Essays of the issue 1912
http://fuchs-online.com/tibetsammlung/images/01/01-03-V02.jpg
http://fuchs-online.com/tibetsammlung/images/01/01-04-V02.jpg

Proofs sheets of the issue 1933
http://fuchs-online.com/tibetsammlung/images/09/09-01-V02.jpg
http://fuchs-online.com/tibetsammlung/images/09/09-02-V02.jpg
http://fuchs-online.com/tibetsammlung/images/09/09-03-V02.jpg
Plus...
http://fuchs-online.com/my_ebay/06_22.07.2005.htm
http://fuchs-online.com/my_ebay/11_01.12.2005.htm

This accumulation might well be one of the largest collection of proofs in ONE collection..., I have a family as well who demand some attention (money)!
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-27-07 at 12:01:34 PDT   Listings
Could someone please give me a recent cat value on the Pictoral proofs and my most wanted stamp 122pa. TIA
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-27-07 at 11:58:45 PDT   Listings
Proofs are the most loved part of my U.S. collection. Usually not as valuable as the stamps themselves they are still far above the quality you will be able to find in stamps. How collectors cannot collect sets like this just baffles me. The mint set of stamps catalogs for around $55,000 (2005) and you simply could not get a set that appears as well as these $850 (1997 cat) proofs.
Ever since I was a kid I had a love of these items. As they have very limited printing runs they are quite scarce and have never been all that easy to find. The stamps on the otherhand were usually easy to find. Since ebay has come about, the market for proofs seems to be increasing. Unfortunately some of the buyers are shaving, rebacking, perfing and gumming them to pass off as the more valueable stamp. I suspect that some day proofs will come close in value to many of their counterpart stamps.

My proofs will be the last part of my collection to go and I might just have them cremated with me.

Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-27-07 at 11:56:39 PDT   Listings
dcderoo… I am a solid fan of PSE for expertizing. Go here and follow the links.

Jim
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-27-07 at 10:51:25 PDT   Listings
Hmm......... well I guess the meeting has already started.
Guess I must have put the wrong date on that announcement?!? Anyway, nice items so far, carry on.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1673 ) on Jul-27-07 at 07:37:28 PDT   Listings
jaywild (Jim), after thinking about it for a few minutes, who's left if I avoid APS and PF for expertizing US stamps?
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1673 ) on Jul-27-07 at 07:23:41 PDT   Listings
NEW TOPIC: Imaging stamps

As time permits I am making images of my better items as part of my inventory (better items at the moment mean up to 1940.)

As a test I imaged the same stamp on my scanner in two different manners:
1. The left stamp was imaged through a Showgard mount with the rest of the background being the white scanner cover.
2. The right stamp was imaged through a Showgard mount AND a Hagner stocksheet making the rest of the background black.

Scan Comparison [150kb]

OBSERVATIONS:
1. The resolution appears very close whether scanned through one or two transparent layers.
2. The color is quite a bit different:
-- the white background (left) results in a darker, duller image.
-- the black background (right) results in a brighter image.
When compared to the real stamp under white light NEITHER scan accurately depicts the correct color.
The left stamp (white background) is much closer to the real thing, but has a bit too much red in it.

In your opinion does it matter?
If I were ever to sell, the buyer would look at the real item anyway.

Posted by cobbie10   ( 6383 ) on Jul-27-07 at 07:17:23 PDT   Listings
3emarketeers

On listing your sheets - 3c - 5c sheets should fetch around face or just a little bit over. When I list these I split them down into values and put a description similar to "US 3c sheets x 10 different". I don't bother describing what the sheets are, just what the values are. With values from 6c upwards, you will probably find you get around 80-90% of face value. If you have any that are over 20c, then you may well find that you get face or slightly above.

As I say, the easiest and, in my opinion, best way to list them, is by value, but make sure you have at least $10 - $15 face value and start them around $9 - $9.50 per lot.
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-27-07 at 06:34:25 PDT   Listings
dcderoo… My opinion is that yes, a cert is needed for that 5¢ Washington coil. Steer clear of APS and PF, who can nanny a stamp to death with imaginary fault-finding. And yep, those Persian rugs can be hard to come by. My revenue collection only includes the larger format stamps, and I don't have all of them by any means. Nice block of 4, regardless of whose granny chewed those stamps apart.



A block of those is pretty scarce.

postalviews... Your proofs are very nice too.

Jim
Posted by postalviews   ( 4188 ) on Jul-27-07 at 06:29:23 PDT   Listings
roly In my opinion, it is an outstanding topic you have chosen to study. And your website is a thing of beauty. Thank you for making such a great contribution to philately!

Must go, a Mr. Smith in France is calling.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1673 ) on Jul-27-07 at 06:23:15 PDT   Listings
"Scissors were as prominent..." should have been "Scissors were not as prominent..."
Posted by postalviews   ( 4188 ) on Jul-27-07 at 06:22:20 PDT   Listings
For viewing pleasure, here is a batch of US proofs I had in stock around the turn of the century, including some interesting match & medicine revenues and a few until-then unlisted ones. The unlisted ones were both known and fairly mundane in value, but the catalogers had garbled their listings. Hopefully Scotty has got them straight by now.

Paul You say stamps are doing well. Guess I will find out when I return to the stamp shows soon as a price lurker. Am going to dump all of my commercio-philatelic holdings and start anew ....

BUT, the personal collections stay here.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1673 ) on Jul-27-07 at 06:20:57 PDT   Listings
But I have several examples of "unfortunate" items.
Here's my favorite:

Block of R5a

It's downright ugly, but I had to have it.
It demonstrates one aspect of early imperf stamps.
Scissors were as prominent at the time (1864 in this case), so stamps were often separated in any way possible.

Posted by postalviews   ( 4188 ) on Jul-27-07 at 06:04:45 PDT   Listings
briguy On that CSA stamp with an "Idaho" cancel, there is an Idaho in Clay County, Alabama and an Idaho in Lawrence County, Tennessee.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1673 ) on Jul-27-07 at 05:52:33 PDT   Listings
jaywild (Jim), I really like your proof of R126.
I've made a concerted effort over the years to put together a good 1st, 2nd and 3rd issue revenue collection.
All I'm missing for a full face different collection are the two Persian Rugs from the 2nd issue.
The rest of the "holes" in that collection are the expensive perf varieties, and the silk paper and color varieties.
I've concentrated on getting good, legitimate main listing items.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1673 ) on Jul-27-07 at 05:40:45 PDT   Listings
In summary, here's what I've gleaned from the comments about my US 355(?) from the Jul-26-07 at 09:27:28 PDT post:

1. Registered or parcel post cancellations on a stamp of that type do not significantly affect value.

2. It is probably a 355.

3. Evidence points to a reperf job, most likely on the left.

If #2 is wrong OR #3 is correct then I have to take steps to replace it.
Will it take a definitive opinion (a cert) to resolve these questions?

Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-27-07 at 05:08:18 PDT   Listings
NOIP… Here’s another proof I find spectacular.

Jim
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Jul-27-07 at 05:08:05 PDT   Listings
stamps12345 my comment about not knowing what the market will do today was not intended to be a cheap shot. It may well continue down, which would reinforce your suggestion to go to cash. My post was intended to point out to you that you are claiming insight before your advise has been proven to be correct. The DJIA has done about 2x better than the 5.2% CD over the past 1 month and the past 3 months. So moving to cash has not yet been proven to be good advice. But, I recognize the market may well continue down, in which case your advice will be proven to have been sage.

Net: it's premature for you to claim your suggestion was wise (but it may have been).

Bill D.
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-27-07 at 05:00:10 PDT   Listings
NOIP… I have always loved proofs for the exquisite detail and superb clarity of design. This shows a proof of the US 24 cent Winfield Scott banknote of the 1870s, and the issued stamp alongside it. While this is a fairly decent copy of this stamp, the fineness of detail is nowhere near that of the proof.

Jim
Posted by rolyrj   ( 4 ) on Jul-27-07 at 04:53:07 PDT   Listings
postal

Thankyou very much. I have just put my World Atlas away and I am glad you have confirmed my research :)
Thanks heaps.
This is a cover I recently purchased to go on my specialist site for the NZ Penny Universal

cheers

Roly

Posted by postalviews   ( 4188 ) on Jul-27-07 at 04:47:35 PDT   Listings
It is an incoming transit marking.
Posted by postalviews   ( 4188 ) on Jul-27-07 at 04:46:30 PDT   Listings
roly Your answer is Windsor, Ont.
Posted by rolyrj   ( 4 ) on Jul-27-07 at 04:32:31 PDT   Listings
Help please

This cover Was posted from Coromandel on the 1st June 1905 bound for Canada via San Francisco. That I can read from the front of the cover :)

The reverse Shows me that it was stamped in Auckland on the 2nd June 1905 on its way out of the country.

It was then stamped on the 24th June 1905 somewhere starting with "W".

Finaly arriving in Toroto on 25th June 1905 at 6pm. and thus delivered.

My question is can anyone tell me about the backstamp on the 24th June 1905 with the city/town name starting with "W" please.

Cheers

Roly

Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jul-27-07 at 03:56:14 PDT   Listings
MITCH Thanks for your statement of support ,knew I can always depend on you.Can you image a amature getting on here and making fanancial statments based on past history of entering and existing a trade .....DUH !!!!

Just to keep this philatelic ,the statement I made also goes for liquidting ones stamp holding.The prices collectors are getting now are the best i've seen in a long time .I continue to be amazed by the high prices not only for quality items but also the common type of stamps .The percentages are higher ,years ago it was not unusal to buy dealer lots of MNH worldwide sets at 1/5 of catalog and country collections of stamps in the 20 cent to $50.00 range at a small percentage of catalog .

But the prices that a person can get on E-BAY after a little work breaking it down into salable lots has been climbing over the months .For weeks have been watching a few big sellers and many are getting what I think are fantastic prices like 1/2 catalog and higher {CAUTION --- all statements in this posting are general statements and someone could possibily find a stamp sold for less }....off to another day of working on my tan .....paul

Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-27-07 at 00:29:49 PDT   Listings
Last one for today, Plate Proofs but are also Essays.

tomorrow Niger Coast,


In 1893 Tonga decided to issue stamps to be used on Government Business and requested The New Zealand Government Printer to supply as quick and cheap as possible. The printer printed off 1 sheet of 120 of each value on unwatermarked imperf. in Blue and added an overprint, GFB, Gaue Faka Buleaga which translated as " On Government Service ". These are actually essays which were approved.

All the sheet of the 1d. received an inverted overprint,

http://www.image4u.org/deebee/gfb.jpg

David B.



Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-27-07 at 00:18:59 PDT   Listings
Plate Proof.

When I acquired this an a London auction I was not sure what it was as it was incorrectly described but later I realised that it was used for testing the new comb perforating machine that had been acquired by The New Zealand Government Printer.

http://www.image4u.org/deebee/1d.jpg" title="1d.jpg"> 1d.jpg

It is on unwatermarked paper but much thinner than the 1st. printing on NZ Star paper but in exactly the same shade but comb perf. 12 x 11 1/2 instead of line perf. 12.

They are the only recorded examples and presumably the balance was destroyed.

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8436 ) on Jul-27-07 at 00:07:20 PDT   Listings
Unapproved Essay.

In 1893 King George of Tonga died and his Great Grandson King George II succeeded him. It was planned to issue stamps with the new king's likeness as quickly as possible and The Star Newspaper which had printed the preceding issue was asked to submit an essay. When the Essay arrived the King disapproved of the design but needed stamps urgently and had no choice as all other contenders for the contract could not supply stamps at short notice as they used engraving not lithography.

Essay for the 7 1/2d., two examples have been recorded,

http://www.image4u.org/deebee/Star.jpg

David B.
Posted by cfrphoto   ( 1133 ) on Jul-26-07 at 22:11:42 PDT   Listings
dcderoo and jaywild,

The significance of the hole size difference is that genuine perforations tend to be elongated in the direction of the perforations while punched out fake perforations are often perfectly round, hence they look smaller. Since no 347H imperf coils were ever issued, fake 5 cent perf 12 horizontal coils have to be hand trimmed, usually their undoing, since the top and bottom margins, while perhaps wandering a bit must be absolutely parallel (within about .001 inch or .025 mm) to have any credibility (with certain known exceptions). Since the perforations on one side look genuine, I would assume that the stamp was originally a #335 perforated sheet stamp rather than the imperforate #347.

Regarding perforation gauges: This comment is limited to United States stamps issued from 1857 to the early 1960s. As Richard Kiusalas pointed out (and exploited), craftsmen who built perforating equipment in the US knew nothing of the metric system. Following the assumption that perforation measurements were in units of thousands of an inch, it was relatively easy to measure perforations, make perforating machines to alter stamps for sales to dealers and gauges for sale to collectors.

Earlier fakers had assumed that the perforation count was a measurement (it is not) and perforated stamps to metric perf 12, 11 and 10. It is not difficult to see the difference by placing a stamp with fake metric perforations next to any stamp with genuine perforations. The difference will be noticeable over the width of a stamp if the perforations are carefully aligned at one end.

Some fakers didn't realize that rotary perf 10-80 and perf 11-70 are different enough from the 10-79 and 11-72 flat plate perforations to be easily detected. Actually, I still have the US Specialist gauge that I received years ago from Kiusalas. It sees relatively little use, because it is seldom necessary to use a perforation gauge on US stamps issued prior to 1960. A cheap stamp with known perforations is a quite adequate gauge and is much quicker and more accurate to use for expertizing.

For really difficult cases, it is necessary use magnification or a 1600 DPI scan to verify that the perforation rows are parallel and have all of the other required characteristics. It is especially true of 19th century stamps on hard paper, where a reperforating job may go unnoticed until a good 400 DPI or higher scan is made. Then quite often, problems are obvious. One quick trick is to look at the perforation tips. If the edges form a straight line, the stamp is probably reperforated. If the edges are straight but show some fibers, a check with a 15x magnifier may reveal evidence that the tips were filed or roughed up to simulate real perforations.
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-26-07 at 22:09:57 PDT   Listings
Market guru… The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) is not a market, it is an average based on the price of 30 so-called industrial stocks. It’s the indicator most familiar to the public at large, while the NASDAQ and S&P 500 are more closely followed by traders. But both of those indicators have taken the same drubbing the Dow has this week, so I don’t understand your point about “just one market”.

Jim
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-26-07 at 21:58:20 PDT   Listings
Jim I wouldn't knock that seller so much. After all, he went to all the trouble to add perfs to that #5
One thing does bother me though, how come all these people with multi thousand dollar items can't afford a crappy $50 scanner?
Well, the answer should be clear. A note to all sellers is that if you can't provide a good scan of a valuable item, YOU WILL BE PRECIEVED AS A CROOK!


Paul Thanks for putting that straight! I'm sure most here can sort the wheat from the chaff or the riff from the raff.
A riff ra
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jul-26-07 at 21:57:03 PDT   Listings
NOIP-------Notice how some people use just one market {DJIA} to prove me wrong .But they didn't say Paul your right and deserve a pat on the back about getting out of Oil ,Precious metals, Real Estate ,Commercial Bonds and many other investments all of which have come down {forgiegn currencies are higher }....gee they have to find something to bark about ....
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jul-26-07 at 21:44:14 PDT   Listings
BILL D. -------First nobody knows were the market will go tomorrow- so thats just a cheap shot statement by you for what purpose I don't know .

My prediction of GOING TO CASH is a important one to preserve capital,especially when dealing with the average age of the reader here ,the stock market is showing signs of serious trouble and uncertainy.This is being confirmed with the recent weeks movement.Using wording like" fleeing"to CD's is a dumb remarke ,its smart investing in times like this .

In your posting you are using hindsight to say when a investors enters or exits the market at tops ,for a investor to pick the exact point in hindsight is just a cheap shot by you sir.

So give me your call or anybody else ,people want a call ahead of time not a back date market statement like you posted as getting in or out -----do something like this ------BUY MARCH CORN at these levels and sell into the rally next Jan. or Feb 2008 ,use a 15 cents down side stop loss and look to take 40 cents or better on the up side ......call the move ahead of time not looking at history and saying what could of happen ......today and two months ago or a month ago its PUT YOUR MONEY IN CASH.....paul

Posted by 3emarketeers   ( 1543 ) on Jul-26-07 at 21:19:42 PDT   Listings
Hi, Thanks so much! Even though I admit I don't know what I'm doing, I'm sure I will get more for his stamps than the 200 dollars the pawn shop offered him. He's in no hurry and I can start with a few sheets at a time and hopefully learn a little as I go. Thank you for the help, thanks for the Yellow box too and Postalhysteria I'll be contacting you about the catalog, I had missed your earlier post. Thanks again!
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-26-07 at 21:11:43 PDT   Listings
NOIP… Anybody in the market for an ultra-rare stamp ultra-cheap?

Not!

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-26-07 at 21:02:29 PDT   Listings
wrw1943… The stamp gauge I use might be the one recommended to you on the board, courtesy of Richard Doporto at Sonic Imagery. As I recall it’s called the Specialty Gauge. It’s made of dimensionally stable mylar, which means it won’t crack or discolor or warp out of shape. Your great-great grandchildren will be able to use it just fine.



Jim
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-26-07 at 20:42:45 PDT   Listings
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Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3742 ) on Jul-26-07 at 20:08:27 PDT   Listings

3e

1. Refer to my post of 09:55:45

If you are unable or unwilling to do as suggested, then either

1. total up the face value of all the sheets, tell how many sheets there are, and list them all by name or description as they appear on the stamps, (or break them into lots depending on the face value of the stamp, or

2. Contact a stamp dealer closest to you and sell direct to him, or

3. go back to your consignor and tell them you are returning their stamps to them because in all good conscience you don't have a clue what you are doing.

riff-raff

Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-26-07 at 19:54:26 PDT   Listings
3emarketeers For your U.S. sheets I would not bother listing them at all without Scott numbers in the title! You should also include the topic of the stamp in the title. A quick look at some sheet listings, currently running on ebay should show you what is the best way to promote your items. If you have enough of these you should buy a used Scott catalog for the U.S.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 640 ) on Jul-26-07 at 19:48:19 PDT   Listings
E U S C
Ebay Users Stamp Club Meeting

For july 2007, will commence at 12:00 Midnight (ebay time) July 27th and end midnight July 29th<.

The meetings topic will focus on Proofs and Essays from all countries.

Any, and all, information that can be shared concerning these little jewels is encouraged an welcome.

In an attempt to allow more members to share their items we are going to try something a bit new. Many of us cannot post items (via links) to the board, for several reasons.
If you cannot post your items then there are several members who will gladly help. All you need is a scanner or digital camera and email.
You will need to scan/photo your item then ask for assistance on the board. Someone will then email you through the ebay system and give you their regular email address. You can then send your scan/photo attached to an email to them.
They will then upload your images and send you the URL for your item (by request) or they can just post it to the board in your name (which would probably be easier)

Note: If possible, when you save your scan, save it as a jpeg file (.jpg)





Posted by 3emarketeers   ( 1543 ) on Jul-26-07 at 19:18:24 PDT   Listings
Hello, I had a couple more questions I was hoping ya'll might help me out with..again! When listing sheets of US postage stamps, do I have to list the Scott catalog number to have a better chance of it selling? and if so, does that catalog number have to be in the title or is it okay just in the description? I have a consignment shop and I don't have a lot of time to research every single thing, but, I do try to do some. I'd really welcome any suggestions or a nice website that will give me a little information that might help me along...maybe something really basic, to get me started. Thank you in advance
Posted by jaywild   ( 960 ) on Jul-26-07 at 19:06:20 PDT   Listings
Bill D Thanks for speaking up. I was afraid to, because I didn’t want to be accused of “piling on”. Yep, it was about 2 months ago that Paul made his prediction. (A quick check of the archives will verify this.) So the great prediction was just like all his other predictions—wrong, with a flurry of defensive posts from him afterward trying to prove otherwise.

By the way, the Gates stock sales were announced, per SEC rules regarding sales of stock by company executives, months ago. It was not in reaction to the suggestions of a certain gadfly on the Stamps Chat.



No trader I know of brags about what he made in the market, because for every goldmine there is an equal and opposite turkey. It’s funny we never hear about the poultry-farm aspect out of Chicago. A smart trader, particularly a covered call writer, will clear a few percentage above what indexes like the S&P 500 do over the course of a year. A “trader” who brags about coups in the stock market is in the same category as the tout who is always bragging about how much money he makes at the racetrack, yet still drives a 1971 Chevy Caprice with 345,000 miles on it and lives from paycheck to paycheck.

Jim
Posted by wrw1943   ( 2005 ) on Jul-26-07 at 18:57:43 PDT   Listings
KEN SRAIL;

I failed to thank you for your earlier post regarding the perf gauges, and I was particularly interested in seeing the one you lnked to, which unfortunately, is apparantly sold out, thus unavailable.

For me personally, I don't like the fact that it's plastic, which can wear and crack, but other than that, it looks great. Again, for me personally, I do not really need all of the "bells & whistles" present on that item. I can do grills, rotary, flat, other stamps that require measuring, etc., without needing that gauge. But I can see where it would be very useful for most collectors and dealers. Thanks again.
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Jul-26-07 at 18:46:53 PDT   Listings
stamps12345 while I don't claim to know what the market will do tomorrow, I did a quick look-up of where the market has been over the past month. It opened June 26th at 13352, peaked July 20, opening at 14000.73 and closed today at 13473.57. I don't know when you made your prediction to go to cash, but I assume it was exactly a month ago (per your post). Assuming an investor's investment mirrors the DJIA, someone who waited until last week to heed your advice would have made 4.86% in just under a month, an annualized rate that far exceeds your 5.2% CDs. A person who has held onto his investment would still be ahead 0.91% for the month, an annualized return of 11.4%, about twice the safe 5.2% return from a CD.

Future stock market results may "prove" your genius in investments, but the past month you would have been ahead staying in the market over fleeing to CDs, which you are crowing about.

(I quickly checked the results from 2 months ago and 3 months ago. In both cases someone who held and sold at the market peak last week would be far ahead of the CD investment. Compared with 2 months ago today's close only provides an annualized return of 1.4%, which is pretty poor, but compared with 3 months ago today's close still yields 12.3% annualized return).

Bill D.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-26-07 at 17:26:48 PDT   Listings

yip-yap

yak-yak

riff-raff

Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jul-26-07 at 16:36:18 PDT   Listings
yes-----TONS
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jul-26-07 at 16:32:05 PDT   Listings
GO TO CASH ---so easy to make money ......Why I bet a person who bought junk lots in the 70's and 80' could sell them on e-bay for 6 or 8 times what they paid for those bulk lots if sold on stock sheets or country collections .....E-bay has changed the world for those who had tons and tons of collectible stamps .
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jul-26-07 at 16:21:10 PDT   Listings
I think BILL GATES is a little slow on reading and reacting to this chat board. A month ago the advice was GO TO CASH Im sure all those who followed that advice are now happy campers .Again and Again the information on this board has been right on target .....Love those 5.2% interest on CD's makes life a lot easier ......paul
Posted by jaywild   ( 959 ) on Jul-26-07 at 15:30:14 PDT   Listings
NOIP Todays news from the stock marketBill Gates sold 2 million shares of Microsoft today, at an average a little over $31 bucks a share. Not to worry though: he still owns just a tad under 893.5 million shares. (In direct ownership that is; indirect ownership is another matter, although a much smaller holding.)

He must have needed chump change!

Jim
Posted by knuden   ( 2301 ) on Jul-26-07 at 13:59:56 PDT   Listings
Alec - I have sent you a message via the eBay system. :O)

K.E   I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!


Posted by jaywild   ( 959 ) on Jul-26-07 at 12:37:15 PDT   Listings
dcderoo I havent heard that parcel cancels on stamps such as you showed reduce the value. I do think theres something odd about the perfs of the 5 Washington stamp you showedsee here. The hole size on the right side perfs is larger than the hole size on the left side perfs. I dont know whether that is significant.

Jim
Posted by infla-alec   ( 551 ) on Jul-26-07 at 12:09:52 PDT   Listings
Knud-Erik One of the regulars from ebay.de would like to contact you. He has requested your e-mail address. The person in question is known as, "schmuggler44" Rainer is a personal friend of mine and I believe he will contact you using the address from your Sudetenland website.
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-26-07 at 11:35:02 PDT   Listings
I wonder whether these bidders look at the images before bidding this listing.


PC
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-26-07 at 10:07:21 PDT   Listings

dc as primarily a cover collector others may be more qualified to answer. Your 50c looks to be Scott 421 or 422 perf 12, depending on watermark. it looks to be an average stamp and would be lucky to bring 20% cv here at ebay. Likely retail from a store or bourse dealer would be 50%.

The 5c looks to be Scott # 355 with a better CV of $130 in my 2005 version. The coil use was primarily for volume mailers, either overseas or parcels. The cancel is pretty nice for this. I would think it to be a 30-40% item here on eBay, perhaps 60% from a store/bourse dealer.

Of course I havent done a comparable search here on eBay and may be all wet.

The underlying factor in pricing used stamps to me is "how easy is it to find a better one in a reasonable amount of time" given that one priced at another 25% upward is of no financial consequence.

jeff-raff

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-26-07 at 09:55:45 PDT   Listings

3e - your sheets are Scott catalog #s 1434-1435, C76, and 1331-1332, left to right.

I did a quick search of completed items and these have sold in a range of $4.81 - 7.05, $3.50 - 8.50, and $6.38 - 15.00.

I did not look at descriptions to note any faults or condition.

You should likely get a used scott catalog so you can identify the stamp and do the same. (contact me as to a source if interested)

You can also search US, mint sheets and see what others charge for shipping and any suggestion as to how they package.

Selling and shipping mint sheets is a pain to me, just be patient and do your homework.

jeff-raff

Posted by 3emarketeers   ( 1541 ) on Jul-26-07 at 09:29:36 PDT   Listings
Do you think people would be willing to pay for Priority mail to ship these 3 sheets of stamps?

http://i13.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/ab/f2/9d52_1_sbl.JPG

Not sure if you can tell what they are by that pic, but there is a sheet of 5, 8, & 10 cent space themed stamps. Total of $9.70 FV. I would much rather ship priority mail, but, I'm just not sure the stamps are worth the cost of shipping that way. Thanks again!
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1672 ) on Jul-26-07 at 09:27:28 PDT   Listings
Let's see if I can make my question clear.

At what point does a special use cancel (registered, parcel post, etc.) reduce (or increase) the value of a stamp?

High face value stamps ("high" being relative to the date of use) were never issued with the intent of paying letter rate postage.
For instance, this stamp circa 1909:


Click To Enlarge

But what about this stamp also circa 1909:


Click To Enlarge

Because of the cancel do I have to value it something less than catalogue?
And if so, by how much?
Or is it worth more because of its "different" usage?

Posted by 3emarketeers   ( 1541 ) on Jul-26-07 at 09:14:32 PDT   Listings
Thank you Jeff-raff ?
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-26-07 at 09:13:10 PDT   Listings

And, a flattened priority mail box will do, (if you are foing to ship priority) just be sure the box folds and lip inside where glued don't emboss the stamps. A thin sheet of chipboard might protect there.

shorttermmemory-raff

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-26-07 at 09:10:22 PDT   Listings

3e - for flat shipping 2 pieces of corrugated box board cut with corrugations at 90 degrees to each other should do fine.

An alternative is a large diameter shipping tube, with emphasis on large, probably not less than 4 inches in diameter.

For interleaving ordinary waxed kitchen paper should do fine in shipment.

Likely others will have suggestions too.

jeff-raff

Posted by 3emarketeers   ( 1541 ) on Jul-26-07 at 08:47:42 PDT   Listings
Hello everyone! Since I've never sold stamps before, I was hoping to get some advice on shipping them properly. I have about 200+ sheets of stamps that I got in for consignment. I am grouping them together in lots to sell them. I am wondering (for shipping) what should I use to seperate them to ensure that they don't stick together and is it okay to ship these in large envelopes reinforce with cardboard to help prevent bending, or is it best to charge a little more and ship them in a box? I'd really appreciate any suggestions. Thanks in advance. Angela
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-26-07 at 08:09:34 PDT   Listings
npsauctions2 a few links to scans of the oldest pages would help. Also condition is important. If you look at the care and money put into the collection, the more put in the more it is worth.
Posted by npsauctions2   ( 548 ) on Jul-26-07 at 07:49:00 PDT   Listings
Claghorn--thank you, that helps. It is one of the items I am listing on Ebay for the company I work for so removing it from the premises is not possible.

The stamps span from the late 1800's to 1970
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-26-07 at 07:43:27 PDT   Listings
npsauctions2
what is the range of years?

Best would be to list countries and estimate the number of stamps total or even better by country.

Scans of the first page of a few of the oldest country stamps would be good.

You can sell it by country or as a whole.

Even better, take it to a stamp club meeting or a stamp buyer first to get an idea of what you have.
Posted by npsauctions2   ( 548 ) on Jul-26-07 at 06:47:14 PDT   Listings
I have a stamp album (copyright 1970)about 80% full. It's Scotts Specialty Album for the Postage Stamps of the British Common weatlth of Nations in America, Formerly British Colonies in America. It doesn't have a table of contents and I can't tell if all the pages are present. I'm not sure how to list it. Should I give the number of pages for each country? There's no way I can include pictures of all the pages. What would be the best way to represent it through pictures? Thanks for your help.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-26-07 at 06:39:12 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

If you collect UK issues - wherever you are domiciled - and of course if you agree there are too many issues - please take a minute to sign this and add your own comments if you wish.

Petition to RM has exceeded 450 signatorees. However, there were 340,000 pre-orders for the Harry Potter stamps.

The petition organized by Tony Buckingham.
Posted by postalviews   ( 4188 ) on Jul-26-07 at 06:37:59 PDT   Listings
D2 says: "Just back from 4 days in the Victorian Alps, looks like all has been peaceful whilst I was away."

Yep, but I'm in here now!

Just kidding actually, but did not want to disappoint Io.

Here, a stamp to match.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jul-26-07 at 06:29:41 PDT   Listings
unyeilding Your description does not ring a bell. You need to post a LINK to a scan.
Posted by jimbo   ( 401 ) on Jul-26-07 at 06:28:49 PDT   Listings
unyielding,
In a quick search of the Scott's catalog I could not find any $1 denominated stamps or essays before 1893 except for Newspaper stamps, the privately issued pony express stamps, and some Revenues. The typical postage stamp series was . . ., 15, 30, 90. The first $ denominated postage stamps (other than revenues and newspaper stamps) were the Columbian $ values issued in 1893.

If you can post a link to the item, we might be able to help you further.

jimbo
Posted by unyeilding   ( 0 ) on Jul-26-07 at 05:44:57 PDT   Listings
I have a quick question about a stamp my father has. hes trying to find out how much its worth. its an 1869 US $1.00 Postage stamp that never went into circulation. can anyone help me out?
Posted by botha_de   ( 4938 ) on Jul-25-07 at 21:36:27 PDT   Listings
Thank you from Germany to @jimbo also !!
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Jul-25-07 at 20:20:30 PDT   Listings
Dave (Nomad)
My address still the same I am having problems on Outbound but am still getting in bound (spam included)
If you don't have in your addy book I'll send one from mom's tomorrow with address.

NOIP - Why is it that when things are made new and improved that they seem harder to use and less reliable?
.

Posted by wrw1943   ( 2005 ) on Jul-25-07 at 18:57:45 PDT   Listings
Geez, I failed to see the link below from Peter for the Museum of Essays & Proofs - which is the exact site I was referring to in my earlier post. That's a very good site and shows a lot of US Essays & Proofs, and I highly recommend it.
Posted by nomad55   ( 902 ) on Jul-25-07 at 18:41:49 PDT   Listings
due2cents - please shoot me an email. I have some info that might interest you.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Jul-25-07 at 17:43:28 PDT   Listings
I am looking forward to the essays and proofs discussion

I recently acquired some glassines that have Proofs
in them also some that are from the private(other that post office ) mail carriers and would like to learn some more.
Posted by wrw1943   ( 2005 ) on Jul-25-07 at 17:03:28 PDT   Listings
ESSAYS & PROOFS;

Thank you for the nice welcoming message, but I have actually posted here (rarely) for the last few years as time allows.

Regarding Essays & Proofs, there was (is?) a website devoted to this subject but I honestly do not know the address. If you do a Google search and merely put in the words "essays & proofs" I'm sure you will find it.

Actually, I do indeed know a fair amount about E-Ps, at least US E-Ps, as I collected them for quite a few years and have handled thousands of them in our auctions over the years. I would be happy to try to answer any questions, although I generaly do not go online until 7/8PM Eastern US time, so sometimes can't respond to a question as quickly as I might if I came on earlier.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-25-07 at 15:40:47 PDT   Listings

jimbo - instant replay reveals you are correct. First down!

half-raff

Posted by 220man   ( 153 ) on Jul-25-07 at 15:13:14 PDT   Listings
Roger: Thanks for the explanation. Actually, the item received is the novel "Dune" -- not philatelic but definitely dry! I've bought quite a few used books through Amazon's co-op booksellers, but this was the first from overseas. I thought it might take forever to get here, but it arrived quickly.
Phil
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-25-07 at 14:49:41 PDT   Listings
David

Thanks for the information. I also find this essay and proof link.


PC
Posted by malolo   ( 847 ) on Jul-25-07 at 14:12:02 PDT   Listings
Phil -
There is an interesting mix of government and private mail services developing in Europe. I know the Swiss Post was collecting mail in northern Italy under contract for a while as a test study. People in the test locations had the option of placing their mail into Swiss PO mail boxes. There were special automated vending machines for buying the postage labels for the public to use. Bulk items are easily trucked anywhere in Europe, so if contracts are established between shippers, trucking companies and postal businesses, then items in Europe may come from anywhere. I've had a couple of items come from unexpected locations, but didn't think much about it because I was aware of the possibility.
What could be better than receiving something philatelic from Switzerland? It is dry?
Roger
Posted by dbenson   ( 8423 ) on Jul-25-07 at 14:04:53 PDT   Listings
Peter,

these are hand painted essays which were approved by the Polish Post Office,


http://www.image4u.org/deebee/p1.jpg
http://www.image4u.org/deebee/p2.jpg
http://www.image4u.org/deebee/p3.jpg


The reverse of one showing it was in a museum and released for some reason.

http://www.image4u.org/deebee/p4.jpg
http://www.image4u.org/deebee/p5.jpg

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8423 ) on Jul-25-07 at 13:49:49 PDT   Listings
Peter,

to answer your query about proofs.

There are 2 types, Die proofs & Plate Proofs.

Die proofs are prints that are made from the working die during it's various stages of production. When an engraver is engraving the original die he sometimes takes a print to inspect what has ben engraved. This can occur many times during the production process on various types of papers, colours and specialist collectors like to have some showing the various stages of production.

When the die is completed it is transferred by various means acording to the printing process to the printing plate and prints made from the plate are called Plate proofs and these also can in various colours and papers. They are usually imperf. but can also exist perforated in some issues.

Sometimes die proofs & plate proofs are also made at a later date and these are called Posthumous proofs and in most cases are not liked by specialists but some do collect them but they haven't got the importance of regular proof material.

In some countries Proofs are looked up to as extremely important items which are a neccessity for specialist collectors to include in their collections but in some countries they are looked down at and considered almost worthless and should not be included in collections.

Essays are samples of the design that are used to choose the design that will be used for the stamps. Approved Essays are of course those that were used for the design even though there may be changes whilst unapproved are also rans. For some issues there were design competitions and there may be plenty of unapproved essays.


David B.
Posted by 220man   ( 153 ) on Jul-25-07 at 13:21:54 PDT   Listings
Received a book in the mail from the UK this afternoon. The mailing label here appears to come from Zurich. Why so?
Phil
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-25-07 at 13:12:19 PDT   Listings
David

Thanks. I will download PERFOMASTER 3000 and try it since it is a freeware.


PC

Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-25-07 at 12:42:30 PDT   Listings
Mitch

I wonder whether you can provide some basic information about proofs and essays before the EUSC meeting. I don't know anything about them.


PC
Posted by dbenson   ( 8423 ) on Jul-25-07 at 12:39:59 PDT   Listings
Peter,

I use PERFOMASTER and have a few problems when the stamp is not cleanly perfed otherwise no problem. It is quicker to use an Instanta which I use in about 90% of the time,

David B.
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-25-07 at 12:36:22 PDT   Listings
Regarding perf gauges, I want to know whether anyone has any success in using any electronic perf gauges or perf gauge applicatioins?


PC
Posted by dbenson   ( 8423 ) on Jul-25-07 at 12:08:41 PDT   Listings
Jimbo,

I think your analysis is 100% correct,

here is a cover with multiple strikes of the Agana straight line,

http://www.bennettstamps.com/cgi-bin/viewlot.pl?site=1&sale=277&lot=859&lang=1

David B.
Posted by jimbo   ( 401 ) on Jul-25-07 at 10:31:01 PDT   Listings
Botha and Jeff,
I would suggest another analysis of the Guam cover.

You notice the straightline, purple (?) JAN 28 1901 handstamp. There is also a faint, purple (?) straightline handstamp across the stamp which I believe is AGANA GUAM.

I think the mail was routed through Manila. Remember this was just after the Spanish-American War and the US was in control of the bureaucracies including the post office in both the Philippines and Gaum.

I think a zealous clerk in Manila saw the cover while sorting and decided that the postmark was not strong enough and hit it with a Manila duplex cancel on February 14. I suspect that the elapsed time of 17 days between Guam and Manila was about right considering the wait for a ship bound to Manila. The ultimate destination of Dresden would make a routing west from Gaum through Suez likely.

jimbo just my
Posted by botha_de   ( 4938 ) on Jul-25-07 at 06:41:50 PDT   Listings
Thank you @postalhysteria !!
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-25-07 at 06:36:47 PDT   Listings

Guten morgen Botha, gruss aus Texas

The stamps overprinted PHILIPPINES, GUAM and PUERTO RICO were valid in any US or territory post office. Their use was not restricted to the country of overprint.

Thus the cover was possibly carried by a traveller from Guam to the Philippines, or was a collector-made item.

Jeff-raff

Posted by botha_de   ( 4938 ) on Jul-25-07 at 05:06:32 PDT   Listings
Hello and Good Morning !?
Sorry, my English is poor !
Can somebody tell me why the Guam cover was cancelled in Manila/Philippines ? http://www.phila-studio.de/user/botha/826.jpg Or is it normal ?
Posted by srailkb   ( 3105 ) on Jul-25-07 at 04:21:58 PDT   Listings
Bill W. (and others), if you're having trouble finding a Kiusalas gauge, the Sonic Imagery gauge is a nice substitute (in fact, I carry this one, not the Kiusalas, on trips -- it includes the Kiusalas plus lots more.) Unfortunately, neither one is particularly easy to find!

I have a few extras around here (both Kiusalas & Sonic) if anyone really needs one and can't find it through another venue. Please contact me off board for details.

Posted by bjornmu   ( 935 ) on Jul-25-07 at 02:49:30 PDT   Listings
iomoon, I would estimate the perf on the 1kr Geysir T-shirt to be around 2.2. On the T-shirt (L) that is. :-)
Posted by richintalent   ( 134 ) on Jul-25-07 at 01:56:31 PDT   Listings
In regards to the 5 Silbgroschen stamp: Oh great, now I have a white elephant I can't get rid of! Guess the best bet is to just mount it in my album with the rest of the stamps I thought would be a gold mine... [puts on the DUNCE cap and sits in the corner].
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 639 ) on Jul-25-07 at 01:07:53 PDT   Listings
Bill & Addie A most
to the ebay stamp chat.
I do hope you will become a frequent poster to this board.
We are always in need of new blood (especially those with
expertise to help others)!
I see you offer a "preliminary expertizing" service at a very reasonable cost! I can imagine where this might be a valuable asset to many here.
We have an APS affiliated stamp club on this board. Next weekends topic will regard proofs and essays. Seeing how you are versed in the U.S. issues, I hope will attend and contibute. You can also join the club by visiting the
link below.
Mitchell........aka Antonius "Riff" Ra
Posted by dbenson   ( 8423 ) on Jul-24-07 at 23:58:18 PDT   Listings
Linda,

thanks,

Gary sent me a note about it earlier today. Had a look through, I doubt I will be bidding as most is too modern for me.

I have using an Instanta for as long as I can remember,

David B.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 424 ) on Jul-24-07 at 22:52:43 PDT   Listings
David B just heard GW is Auctioning Tonga Postal Stationery in September, collection of Bill Walton of USA.

L.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 424 ) on Jul-24-07 at 22:36:53 PDT   Listings
Bill Stanley Gibbons London have produced that perf. gauge for at least 50 years, or more. That one of mine is the older version (purchased 1970), the newer ones are same, different packaging and a little easier to read.
In Australia, we tend to use the English or German brands of accessories, stockbooks, albums -- somehow the American Scott, Harris, Minkus, Dennison never made it to Aussie market, here its mainly SG, Lighthouse, Lindner, Ka-Be, Safe.
Posted by wrw1943   ( 2005 ) on Jul-24-07 at 21:15:34 PDT   Listings
Linda;

Thanks for the interesting info. I've never seen that gauge before, but it seems like it would be very easy to use. I have no idea how accurate a gauge like that might be, but I like it's simplicity. Geez, anything we can do to make things easier is a GOOD thing!
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 424 ) on Jul-24-07 at 21:05:29 PDT   Listings
perf gauges I like the SG Instanta best, you place the gauge over the stamp so that vertical Guide Line at left cuts one of the perforation holes exactly through the center, then steady the gauge by sliding up or down until each of the slanting lines cuts exactly across the center of each perforation.
That perf. gauge is then shown by figures at left. (can also be done by letting the lines cut the teeth rather than the holes). In either case the row of perforations to be measured must be kept at a right angle to the vertical guide line.
collectors desiring more exact measurements can use the decimal notation at right.
A bit fiddly to get used to, but once you start using this gauge, I dont think you'd change to any other way.

THE INSTANTA
Linda
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jul-24-07 at 20:25:06 PDT   Listings
BILL W. Thanks for the correct information about the perf. gauge.Good to see you on here ,your experience is most valued .....

David B. ---Still got them all over the desk ,got interested in a book of French Polynesia ,which have taken a huge jump up in price in the 2008 catalog ....paul

Posted by wrw1943   ( 2005 ) on Jul-24-07 at 18:42:07 PDT   Listings
Perforation Gauge Use;

I just wanted to comment on the posting on July 20 where the writer was having trouble using a perf gauge. Unfortunately, the link provided by jaywild, although intended to be helpful, was misleading. The way the illustration shows the use of the gauge is NOT how the gauge should be used. The stamp should be laid opposite of how it is shown, so that it is the valley's of the perf holes that lay on the valley's of the gauge.
I experetize US stamps (and covers, etc.) for both PSE and APEX, as well as independent expertizing, and as far as I know, every expertizer uses the perf gauge as I am describing it. If there are those that do not agree, I would like to know why they think the method shown on the Mystic page is correct?
Lastly, for US stamps, all serious expertizing of perforations, checking for reperfs, etc. is done using The Specialist Gauge, invented by Kiusalas in 1965. The type shown in the Mystic article is fine for rough general gauging, but for detection of reperfing, the Specialist Gauge must be used. Unfortunately, they are sometimes difficult to find. My friend Jim Lee, a Literature dealer from Illinois, had a stock of them at Washington/2006, but I believe he quickly sold out of them.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-24-07 at 18:30:41 PDT   Listings
One nutcase after the other!!!!!!!!

My apologies if the reasons are deleted.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8423 ) on Jul-24-07 at 17:35:52 PDT   Listings
Paul, if you have a look at the notes in Michel it states that the high values 5sgr., 10sgr., 10k. & 15k. were also used for registered and express mail.

p.s. what happened to the Lagos scans,

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jul-24-07 at 16:53:11 PDT   Listings
RICH and DAVID B. -----The 5 Silb. Grosch. is from the second issue which was issued in 1859/60{ not 1857}. It was found that the color paper of the first issue was unsatisfactory.The high value of 5 Sild. Grosch was used for mail going outside Germany and overseas .It was used at the time and prices of real used copies is high ,but the mint copies are plentyful and found for many years in stamp approvals mailings .
Posted by ad-girl   ( 29 ) on Jul-24-07 at 16:44:47 PDT   Listings
not quite Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
Posted by ad-girl   ( 29 ) on Jul-24-07 at 16:43:53 PDT   Listings
hmm Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
Posted by ad-girl   ( 29 ) on Jul-24-07 at 16:43:15 PDT   Listings
trying something...sorry Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-24-07 at 16:24:25 PDT   Listings

Ken - the post office would prefer you keep the entire sheet or pane and never use it.

However, for a single stamp from a multi-stamp pane or sheet of the same stamp I understand collectors sometimes remove the surrounding stamps (use on mail) and then trim the remaining backing paper neatly around the center stamp.

Or they might simply remount to any convenient backing paper from other self-adhesive stamps.

Or, do what I prefer to do, at least with commems, collect them used on envelope. Now, there's the challenge.

I have probably used 10 panes of the star wars stamps on my eBay mailings, and have received only 2 on mailed-in payments, and only one was on a small envelope.

I am amazed (bemused, perplexed, stupified, whatever the correct word) about how many COVER collectors who buy from me think nothing of sending a check in a long #10 envelope with definitive franking, or obsolete rate stamps picked up at shows at a discount.

My, how DID I get on that soapbox??

Vox-raff

Posted by dbenson   ( 8423 ) on Jul-24-07 at 15:20:57 PDT   Listings
rich, they are fom the remainders and is worth very little even mnh., approx. value $1,

David B.
Posted by richintalent   ( 134 ) on Jul-24-07 at 14:53:52 PDT   Listings
What would be the worth of a MNH 5 Silbgroschen Thurn Und Taxis stamp? It has been dated to 1857, according to the certificate that's with it, and appears to have the original gum.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-24-07 at 14:41:23 PDT   Listings
Ken
I'll answer your second part.

Presentation packs of recent vintage are worth slightly more than just the stamps in the album.
The buyers have to offset the extra information and scarcity of the packs with the costs of their postage and the greater difficulty in storing them.

With the earlier presentation packs (pre-1975), some are worth a great deal more than the stamps alone. Like the more recent "smilers" it took collectors a while to catch on to the fact that they "needed" the presentation packs for a complete collection. Thus the earlier packs went unsold and are now quite scarce and expensive.
Posted by bluehillsbooks   ( 1633 ) on Jul-24-07 at 14:11:24 PDT   Listings
Hello, my fellow philatelists, I have come here to get some information and will all your expertise, I know SOMEONE must be able to help me.

First, (and this is going to seem dumb) how do you put U.S. Mint stamps that self-sealing in albums?? Obviously they would stick to the pages.

Second, are Great Britain "presentation packs" more valuable in the packs or are they the same value if put into an album.

Thanks folks,
Ken
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Jul-24-07 at 13:23:16 PDT   Listings
infla-alec...I'll give it a shot.

First, I always get the exact image I want to link to in a separate browser window. Then the URL of the image is shown in the address bar at the top of my browser and it can be copied and pasted so a mistake will never (well, hardly ever) be made.

To post a link:

<a href=URL>Words to be clicked</a>

You can then paste the above into the chat box and then switch to the window with the image. Copy the URL of the image from the address bar and then return to the chat.

Select "URL" with you mouse, right click and select "paste".
This will replace URL with the actual URL of the image.

Then select "Words to be clicked" with the mouse and just type whatever description you wish.

That's it. After you've done it a time or three the whole process should only take seconds to complete.

Many actually use the HTML that opens the image in a new browser window, but I suspect most everyone opens images in new windows anyway so I don't bother.
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-24-07 at 12:51:06 PDT   Listings
Jeff

Thanks for the reply. You mentions that the 13c Alec shown is worth similar to the FDC. I guess it will worth only few dollars or less.


PC
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-24-07 at 12:47:25 PDT   Listings

JW pity, then you could have been wild-ratty-raff

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-24-07 at 12:44:40 PDT   Listings

PC I would suggest $25 - 40 for a single paying 3c 1st class plus 10c special delivery or registration. Likely more if of exhibitable condition.

Re the free franked 13c SD use, I got nearly $100 perhaps a year ago, it was censored and coming from a civilian contractor posted at an APO in Alaska.

alec and of course the 23c should have read 13c.

typo-raff

(Who is now off for a most welcome and uncommon afternoon nap.)

nappy-raff

Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-24-07 at 12:43:18 PDT   Listings
Many thanks

Bjorn

Which perf does the 1 kr teeshirt have?
Posted by infla-alec   ( 551 ) on Jul-24-07 at 12:38:32 PDT   Listings
Jeff Thanks. Fast reply was much appreciated.
Posted by jaywild   ( 959 ) on Jul-24-07 at 12:27:18 PDT   Listings
NOIP If this hadnt been so ratty I would have bid on it.

Jim
Posted by bjornmu   ( 935 ) on Jul-24-07 at 12:21:38 PDT   Listings
Greetings and a drive-by post from Reykjavik. The B&B had overbooked so for my second night I was moved down to the TV room which also happened to have a PC. :-) iomoon, your postcard from Vestmannaeyar is on its way.

Not a very eventful day today, one odd thing I observed right on the sidewalk was a wasp catching, killing and eating (the insides of) a fly the same size as itself. Never seen that live before... Not as pleasent a sight as the puffins I got to within a few meters of when hiking up a hill on Heimaey.

To keep this philatelic, my last T-shirt purcase was one featuring an Icelandic stamp (1kr Geysir).
Posted by peterc8888   ( 333 ) on Jul-24-07 at 12:20:48 PDT   Listings
Jeff

What is the value for a correct 13c Prexie solo usage?


PC
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-24-07 at 12:06:29 PDT   Listings

While I am here, this B-I-N lot didn't last 3 hours.

happy-raff

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-24-07 at 11:57:47 PDT   Listings

And of course 3c first class + 10c Special delivery, or 3c first class + 10c registration.

slowontheuptake-raff

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-24-07 at 11:54:19 PDT   Listings

alec 13c special delivery fee on a free franked cover. And there are likely several possibilities in the non-letter mail categories. I have a 13c fourth bureau on a sack that mailed seeds at a special 4th class (or maybe 3rd) seed rate.

As to the value, it is really neither no more nor no less than any other FDC of the 23c Prexie.

rate-raff

Posted by infla-alec   ( 551 ) on Jul-24-07 at 11:46:01 PDT   Listings
Phil No matter what imagehost you use the basics are the same as the tips given for using the 666 site. Once you know what the uploaded images URL is you simply copy and paste that URL here.
To get it to appear as a linked text as part of a sentence is simply knowing what HTML codes to use
Posted by infla-alec   ( 551 ) on Jul-24-07 at 11:40:47 PDT   Listings
Jeff Thanks for the rate info. I assume then that franking reduces the value. ?
I wonder then how a 13c would ever meet the correct rate
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-24-07 at 11:31:27 PDT   Listings

alec- it is not, rate increments per ounce were 5c + 3c + 3c etc

rate-rat

Posted by 220man   ( 153 ) on Jul-24-07 at 11:31:04 PDT   Listings
infla-alec: I've had so much trouble with Verizon that I took Paolo's advice and changed to Tinypic.com.
Phil
Posted by infla-alec   ( 551 ) on Jul-24-07 at 11:27:21 PDT   Listings
Can anyone determine please if this US 13c Prexie is the correct rate for Foreign Mail to UK in 1938 ?
Posted by infla-alec   ( 551 ) on Jul-24-07 at 11:05:19 PDT   Listings
Jaywild / Jim Tried asking on the computer board for help and advice ? Pretty friendly bunch of guys there also I've found before now. But then again when it comes to computers I can just about cope with the basics.

Bill C Thanks for resposting the post about how to use the 666KB site. However it appears some have difficulty in seeing any links from that site. But if such a thing happens usually just a refresh click on the URL of the image site allows the picture to be seen.

If I knew how to capture images of another actual web host, (ie imagecave) and how to post the HTML codes for viewing here to use for postings, without the codes automatically being used as a link I'd try doing so. That task I'm afraid I shall have to leave to someone more capable. Any volunteers out there ?
Posted by jaywild   ( 959 ) on Jul-24-07 at 07:23:54 PDT   Listings
stamphick Thanks for the MailWasher suggestion, however in trying all day yesterday I cant get it to work. Seems it cant find my email inbox, even when it knows the address and client. If the free version is so hapless, dont think I will opt for the pay version.

Jim
Posted by april_good_stuff   ( 47 ) on Jul-24-07 at 06:57:10 PDT   Listings
Hi all;)
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-24-07 at 06:49:32 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

nomad

I'm still in NY but TX would be easier.
I just have to wait a while.
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Posted by soccers_cn1   ( 34 ) on Jul-24-07 at 05:57:04 PDT   Listings
http://bp3.blogger.com/_8AMmfBQS1QA/RqXyoVMDMYI/AAAAAAAAB54/jhKg-XPjdNw/s320/2007-07-12+Russia+Khakassia.JPG

Russia Khakassia FDC I got it today.

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Posted by de66   ( 1114 ) on Jul-23-07 at 23:31:10 PDT   Listings
For those of you interested in GB Revenus i have just loaded up:

Great Britain, Revenue Duties from 1694 to the Great Reform of 1853.

As Exhibited by Chris Harman RDP FRPSL.

YES from 1694!

D1


http://www.revenuesociety.org.uk/invited-displays/uk/frame1.html
Posted by jaywild   ( 959 ) on Jul-23-07 at 21:17:58 PDT   Listings
NOIP Talk about unclear on the conceptthis is listed under Arizona License Plates.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 959 ) on Jul-23-07 at 21:07:45 PDT   Listings
NOIP Are we still doing Scan o the Day?

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 959 ) on Jul-23-07 at 20:25:04 PDT   Listings
nomad55 Thanks. I emailed the seller and his rationale was they didnt have that type of printing back then. I suppose it will remain for sale, caveat emptor

Jim
Posted by nomad55   ( 902 ) on Jul-23-07 at 19:19:00 PDT   Listings
Jaywild.....here's a genunine Webster free frank.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/nomad55/Webster.jpg

They are not difficult to find.
Webster did have a daughter named Julia.
Posted by nomad55   ( 902 ) on Jul-23-07 at 19:05:06 PDT   Listings
IO MOON - - are you in Texas or NY?
I have a group of PVIs to send you.
Posted by esc917   ( 209 ) on Jul-23-07 at 17:42:20 PDT   Listings
Thanks David B. I appreciate your help!
Posted by jaywild   ( 959 ) on Jul-23-07 at 17:13:28 PDT   Listings
Lindy I dont wash windows either(or iron them).

?

Jim
Posted by dbenson   ( 8423 ) on Jul-23-07 at 16:54:45 PDT   Listings
esc, no, It wouldn't be in any Postage Stamp catalogue, you would have to locate a catalogue that lists Iranian Revenues, possibly one of the regulars here would have one. Claghorn mentioned he had a Forbin catalogue the other day, it should be in that.

David B.
Posted by esc917   ( 209 ) on Jul-23-07 at 16:50:51 PDT   Listings
Would that be in the Harris catalogue under Iran or Persia? Stupid question I guess, since I don't think Persia is in it at all. Thanks for the help! Now I've got someplace to start.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8423 ) on Jul-23-07 at 16:47:28 PDT   Listings
esc. It is an IRAN revenue, I haven't got access to a catalogue of Iranian Revenues but would date it around 1910

David B.
Posted by esc917   ( 209 ) on Jul-23-07 at 16:35:39 PDT   Listings
Figures. It works for me on the computer downstairs but not on the one upstairs. Or it might be because of the thunderstorm over the city. Let me try again.

http://666kb.com/i/aqbhlrvkh36ec47ze.jpg
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-23-07 at 16:24:25 PDT   Listings
esc917

Your link is telling me I don't have permission to access the server.
Posted by esc917   ( 209 ) on Jul-23-07 at 16:20:33 PDT   Listings
Any help at identifying the country of origin is greatly appreciated! I had a dream last night that these were some sort of Greenback stamps given out by an Arab type Betty Crocker catalogue.

http://666kb.com/i/aqadablcgsxkrcdzw.jpg
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 424 ) on Jul-23-07 at 16:19:16 PDT   Listings
stamphick JimJay has already told us he doesn't iron his shirts, so you think he is going to Wash his Emails???
naaaaah!

Linda
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-23-07 at 15:33:58 PDT   Listings
soggy

Yes it is time to get out scissors.

Only you could probably do a better job of removing the perfs from the top stamp and not quite so drastic a job as to remove the illustration from the bottom stamp.

As per description, worthless.
As an exercise in cutting up stamps, priceless.

Posted by jaywild   ( 959 ) on Jul-23-07 at 15:30:06 PDT   Listings
NOIP Maybe Im just too hard to please, but the free frank on this cover looks like its been printed in the relatively recent past.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 959 ) on Jul-23-07 at 15:06:51 PDT   Listings
Marius When I click you link I get this

Requte invalide : LIMIT 0,10;

Jim
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Jul-23-07 at 14:56:06 PDT   Listings
Holy Mackeral
Is an imperforate pair worth twice as much when it is severed? Have I been collecting wrongly? Is it time to get out the scissors?http://cgi.ebay.com/COLOMBIA-REGISTRATION-UNLISTED-IMPERFORATE-PAIR_W0QQitemZ110150096785QQihZ001QQcategoryZ695QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Posted by stampmad   ( 1088 ) on Jul-23-07 at 14:30:17 PDT   Listings
Roger If you are wanting an early Swiss - Queensland cover, I found one here

http://www.lugdunum-philatelie.com/uk/affichageVO.php4

Marius
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-23-07 at 13:48:19 PDT   Listings
Brian

In Texas, we spud oil wells.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-23-07 at 13:41:06 PDT   Listings

briguy

I da ho??

You da ho!

ho-ho

Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Jul-23-07 at 13:38:56 PDT   Listings
claghorn

Those Bateken stamps are very scarce. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=200128548536

I think there would have been a longer bidding war if I had only seen them. Every time I have ever searched ebay for Bateke there were none for sale.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-23-07 at 13:35:18 PDT   Listings

mstank - other than the Linns suggesten I posted you might try the Virtual Stamp Club It requires a mildly annoying registration, but once there you will find several forums to post your query.

jeff-raff

Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Jul-23-07 at 13:32:04 PDT   Listings
Oh yeah, GREAT CANCEL!

Perhaps my history books are wrong and I missed the involvement of that particular state.

Of course it could represent a revenue use....you know, from off of a bag of spuds. (thats redneck, ya'all -- for potatoes).
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Jul-23-07 at 12:58:21 PDT   Listings
jaywild...You may be able to do what you wish depending on your ISP. If you can't you might look into the free MailWasher program that will cut down dramatically on your spam within a few weeks.
Posted by mstank   ( 25 ) on Jul-23-07 at 12:26:21 PDT   Listings
postalhysteria - mstank - in generic terms you have what the stamp hobby calls an EFO (error, freak or oddity). The cause of the partial inking will depend on its value which is likely minimal. If you had a pane with the bronze color completely missing from one or more stamps that would be a true missing color error, easily worth a few hundred dollars and up.

I would be curious to return to my post office where purchased and look at other booklets in the stack the clerk has to see if the mising color continued across any other stamps as they were printed.

It potentially could be caused by improper partial inking, debris on the paper as it was printed or some other technical error.

Linns Stamp News can be found online. Perhaps you could contact them about it. They tend to be a funneling point for such finds.

No new car (or tank?) in the drive from this one.


I purchased 5 other books from the same stack and this is the only one in the bunch that came out this way. It is only one stamp in the book. Who could I contact on this other than the post office.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Jul-23-07 at 12:23:06 PDT   Listings
On the subject of English royalty, Christie Davies, author of The Strange Death of Moral Britain writes:


My very recent research on why royal dynasties (whose lineage is vital) die out does not indicate that male homosexuality has been an important factor. For royalty, the bottom of the page does not mean the end of the line.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-23-07 at 11:26:46 PDT   Listings

dcderoo 1066 will be my 120th birth year. Can't wait.

Probably won't.

old-frt

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3734 ) on Jul-23-07 at 11:23:02 PDT   Listings

mstank - in generic terms you have what the stamp hobby calls an EFO (error, freak or oddity). The cause of the partial inking will depend on its value which is likely minimal. If you had a pane with the bronze color completely missing from one or more stamps that would be a true missing color error, easily worth a few hundred dollars and up.

I would be curious to return to my post office where purchased and look at other booklets in the stack the clerk has to see if the mising color continued across any other stamps as they were printed.

It potentially could be caused by improper partial inking, debris on the paper as it was printed or some other technical error.

Linns Stamp News can be found online. Perhaps you could contact them about it. They tend to be a funneling point for such finds.

No new car (or tank?) in the drive from this one.

Jeff

Posted by mstank   ( 25 ) on Jul-23-07 at 10:03:53 PDT   Listings
I just purchased a book of the forever stamps. One of the 20 is not all bronse. The bronse color only goes down to just below the lettering on the Bell. Has anyone seen this or is it a rare occurance.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1672 ) on Jul-23-07 at 09:51:16 PDT   Listings
Last I heard the best guess was about a 250 ft (75 m) rise in sealevel if the icecaps melt.
It's close, but I could have waterfront property (or just water.)

2066? Battle of Hastings?

Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-23-07 at 09:36:51 PDT   Listings
DC

I think a joint issue with Denmark in 2016 to mark the coronation of Canute. With perhaps him disappearing under water as global warming takes a grip.

Hmmmm, with a highest point of 171 m, Denmark should still be above sea-level by then.

Then, in 2066, comes the biggie.
Posted by jaywild   ( 959 ) on Jul-23-07 at 09:22:46 PDT   Listings
dcderoo I predict that the 1000 year commemoration of the Magna Carta will be presided over by Queen Muffin III, who will be on her fourth husband by then, a former New York cab driver named Louie. He was created Duke of Flushing upon marrying her Maj.

Jim
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1672 ) on Jul-23-07 at 08:41:24 PDT   Listings
Based upon my impression of the British, they will make the official and definitive announcement if and when they feel it's appropriate.
They are very good at making decisions like this because they take it very seriously.

The Magna Carta reaches it's millenium anniversary in 2215.
The British want to have a ceremony appropriate to its importance (which is huge.)
Since the tree under which it was signed is long gone, some planning had to be done.
As I understand it a replacement tree has already been planted so that it will be of appropriate size come 2215.
Now THAT'S thinking ahead!

With the exception of the Vikings (and it appears they didn't know what they had found), the Americas weren't even known to Europeans in 1215.
At best we can celebrate anniversaries numbered in 100's of years.

Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-23-07 at 08:17:12 PDT   Listings
Jim

If it is "the longest lived ruler" of Britain, then the title goes to Richard Cromwell as "Lord Protector" who outlived Vicky by four years.
Posted by jaywild   ( 959 ) on Jul-23-07 at 08:15:19 PDT   Listings
Technical question Is it possible for me to suspend my email address for a period of time, say a couple months, then re-instate it? Id like to keep it, but there is so much spam that is coming my way that I would like to give the scamsters the idea that the account no longer is accessible, and perhaps several months down the line they will have given up trying to hook me into hot stock buying opportunities, hot Nigerian plane-crash-millions-are-waiting-for-me scams, Viagra trips, Niagara trips etc.

Or do I really have to dump my current email address in favor of a new one, and go through the labor of notifying everyone on my contact list of the change?

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 959 ) on Jul-23-07 at 08:04:16 PDT   Listings
Io Well then, its a muddle!!! But perhaps just taking whats called (over here at least) The English Throne, i.e. the monarch that has sat at Windsor since William the Conqueror, give or take an Interregnum here or usurpation there, she has Henry III, George III and Vickie to outrun.

Jim
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-23-07 at 07:42:37 PDT   Listings
More confusion can arise from the distinction between longest reigning and oldest reigning.

But who really cares?
Posted by iomoon   ( 1054 ) on Jul-23-07 at 07:40:49 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

The confusion arises from as to what she is the longest reigning monarch of. (My appologies to Winnie).

If it is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, she is already in second place since she only has to beat out Victoria. The UK was established in 1800.

If, however we kick out Northern Ireland and just have Scotland from 1707 onward then she also has to beat out George III.

If just England, she has to beat out Henry III (which she will do next March).

If we have a subdivision for Scotland, she has to beat out James VI (James I).

Considering William I came from Normandy and the British have held claim to various parts of France during succeeding millenia, to beat out Louis XIV she would have to reign to 2025.
Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on Jul-23-07 at 06:30:19 PDT   Listings
James III What's so confusing??

Phil MMVII