eBay chatboard archive: Jun-18-07 to Jun-24-07 week

Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Jun-24-07 at 20:06:59 PDT   Listings
Peter Looks to be a red carrier cancel. Desirable to the tune of about $20 extra,...but thats on a sound stamp.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3689 ) on Jun-24-07 at 19:50:14 PDT   Listings

DAMAGED BY STEAM

Posted by peterc8888   ( 326 ) on Jun-24-07 at 19:08:16 PDT   Listings
Can someone tell me whether the red cancel in this listing is scarce or not? Does the stamp have 2 cancels or just one since it has a dated cancel and something like the word PAID?

Thanks,

PC
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1353 ) on Jun-24-07 at 17:24:54 PDT   Listings

Jim L.

member
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1985 ) on Jun-24-07 at 16:57:53 PDT   Listings
The card to India with a 1-cent trans-miss is nice. I would probably retail it for $35.
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 468 ) on Jun-24-07 at 16:07:54 PDT   Listings
Galena was also the home of 8 other civil war generals, so the cover COULD be something. A little more research might be in order?
Posted by jaywild   ( 953 ) on Jun-24-07 at 15:27:08 PDT   Listings
infla-alec… I don’t see anything that looks unusual to me in your US covers. Galena Illinois was the home of U. S. Grant before he was made a brigadier general in the Union Army during the American Civil War, however the cover doesn’t seem to have any connection to him or his family.

Jim
Posted by infla-alec   ( 544 ) on Jun-24-07 at 15:03:59 PDT   Listings
23.02 here so will check back tomorrow for any replies.

Keep the board philatelic and I'm sure we will all enjoy it more.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 544 ) on Jun-24-07 at 14:53:16 PDT   Listings
Seeing as I'm in US mode can anyone please tell me if any of the following US covers are anything special ?
1. Uprated postal stationery to India with reverse here
2. 1898 Flag cancel
3. PS cover 1855 with content letter from Galina Illinois ?
4 US Official PS ?
5. 1 cent sample mail rate ?
Posted by jaywild   ( 953 ) on Jun-24-07 at 14:03:13 PDT   Listings
Jeff… MISSENT BY STEAM IRON TO MISS IRONS AT STEAMBOAT SPRINGS

Jim
Posted by flip138   ( 383 ) on Jun-24-07 at 13:20:42 PDT   Listings
Thank you, mini*lindy and D2, for your replies. Of course you are right that the self-adhesive stamps are not really perforated, but Gibbons list them as perf 11.5 etc so I was just following their example.

Having read a bit further, it looks as though the perf 13 stamps only come in rolls of 200, whereas the perf 11.5 come in rolls of 100 or in $5 and $10 booklets. That might explain why the perf 13 stamps are less common. Anyway, it's an interesting challenge to find the different varieties with nice cancels, i.e. no smeared ink jet dots.

Phil
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3689 ) on Jun-24-07 at 12:47:03 PDT   Listings

MISSENT BY STEAM IRON

Posted by infla-alec   ( 544 ) on Jun-24-07 at 12:25:27 PDT   Listings
US Railroad and Steamers 1800's - 1900 I have come across a what appears to me to be an interesting collection of such material that I am hoping the US collectors here can help me with. No scans ready as yet but will work on that during the coming week. Not that many covers but a lot of postcards in mixed condition, together with share certificates etc. Pretty hard to describe really and not sure anyone here is a collector of such things.
But all being well they will fit into the next Eusc topical meeting.I'll upload the scans into one album and give a link to that here. I'd appreciate any help or advice given and that can be given either openly here or via private e-mail if you don't want to disclose openly your opinions.
If there is a specialist of such material and they are willing to receive scans or see the uploaded pictures in advance of the next Eusc meeting please feel free to contact me.

Posted by malolo   ( 842 ) on Jun-24-07 at 12:21:52 PDT   Listings
jaywild -
Thanks for looking. That is a Fleuron design, the mechanicals are deCoppet. Zurich’s last use of a razor cancel was in April 1909 so I would have missed this. )’ >)

Roger
Posted by peterc8888   ( 326 ) on Jun-24-07 at 12:12:45 PDT   Listings
Matt(keleofa)

Thanks for the information.

Jim(jaywild)

Have never heard of STEAM IRON. I guess it is not listed in Scott. Will keep it in mind. Thanks.


PC
Posted by jaywild   ( 953 ) on Jun-24-07 at 11:37:31 PDT   Listings
Roger… Something for you. There seems to be an indistinct razor cancel on the back. Since Switzerland is misspelled you might have missed it. Kinda ratty though…

Peter C... Also be on the lookout for STEAM IRON markings. Very, very rare.



Jim
Posted by keleofa   ( 3477 ) on Jun-24-07 at 11:29:15 PDT   Listings
Peter,

re: Steamboats

All of the above. Steam Boat, Steamboat, sometimes on 2 lines, around circles, Steamer, STEAM

Matt in Arizona
Posted by peterc8888   ( 326 ) on Jun-24-07 at 11:25:43 PDT   Listings
Does the STEAMBOAT cancel on early US stamps have the word "STEAMBOAT" or two words "STEAM" and "BOAT"?


Thanks.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jun-24-07 at 10:57:26 PDT   Listings
IOmoon Jim Here is an Eddie VIII item for you.
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Posted by keleofa   ( 3477 ) on Jun-24-07 at 09:50:01 PDT   Listings
Christmas Island

Matt in Arizona
Posted by keleofa   ( 3477 ) on Jun-24-07 at 09:47:54 PDT   Listings
Christmas Island...

During 1962 the US & British conducted nuclear weapons testing on Christmas Island (in the Gilbert & Ellice Island archipelago). The military left in August 1962 leaving behind civilian contractors (Lawrence Livermore Labs & Los Alamos personnel).

This cancel - Honolulu, Hawaii Christmas Island Branch was in use 15 Sep 1962 thru 21 Sep 1963, per Bob Murphy's reference 'Postal History...US Pacific Islands'

Does anyone know how uncommon these covers are? Anyone with first hand experience of prices realized?

T I A,

Matt in Arizona
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 633 ) on Jun-24-07 at 09:32:47 PDT   Listings
E U S C
Ebay Users Stamp Club Meeting

For june 2007, will commence at 12:00 Midnight (ebay time) June 29th and end midnight July 1st<.

The meetings topic will focus on those unknown stamps every collector has. Everyone is invited to get out that envelope or small box with the big question mark on it, and share the unidentified stamps within.

Hopefully most can be identified by other members. I think it should prove to be an interesting an informative topic for all.






Posted by duncan_doenitz   ( 120 ) on Jun-24-07 at 08:40:51 PDT   Listings
Mr Prez, Linda and the rest of the gang...

You're right about ignoring the liar(s)' posts. There is no reason to debate with someone who will not concede the simplest facts, such as his past ignorance of the nature of MISSENT mail, or even the most basic points - that jd8's crude offerings were blatant forgeries, or that Stephen Darori received the payments from the deceived victims and is therefore involved.

The discussion has been moving steadily backwards due to that stubborn failure to address the truth. Probably the only usefulness is that it exposes the complete lack of simple honesty on the part of jd8 / lxk / sxf / dxf.

Is he Jewish? He can be anything he wants to be. However when his fantasy world collides with the real world, guess which one wins?

It was gratifying to read, though, that perhaps the biggest reason for the push to reinstate lewisxkahn is that eBay has apparently frozen his account! Any troll will tell you, All Who Pass Must Pay.

Somewhere - here? - the VSC? - there was a discussion about trolls on stamps, posting letters with trolls-on-stamps from remote areas for fun. Trolls on PhotoStamps would be interesting, they would serve that purpose well, similar to those campaigns where someone's lawn troll is hijacked, and the original owner then receives photos of the troll as it travels the world.

Our Resident Dane could probably come up with some clever ideas, right K-E?

My family might also have some ideas. I'm married to a Smurf (although I'm convinced there's an ogre somewhere in her family tree), my sons are munchkins and my daughter is a pixie.

Actually my daughter collects pixie-related stuff, and she was thrilled when we named one of our cats in her honor, WeePixie.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

-Dunc

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Posted by sayasan   ( 672 ) on Jun-24-07 at 07:30:22 PDT   Listings
davidx - suddenly your typing is error free with perfect spelling. Where was that definition cut and pasted from? Still not convinced that you're Jewish.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3477 ) on Jun-24-07 at 06:55:14 PDT   Listings
IO,

People Eating Tasty Animals !

Matt in Arizona
Posted by iomoon   ( 1052 ) on Jun-24-07 at 06:42:14 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

DJS

As fakirs have shown, it is humanly possible to eat almost anything.
Whether it contradicts the religious convictions of the eater, is another matter entirely.
Maybe time for a plug for PETA. :-)
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-24-07 at 06:22:44 PDT   Listings
LOsher-Sorry my lack of Jewish Education came out in that definition.Have been living on bobbamiszers for the better part of my 36 years . Here is a better definition.

Kosher is the Hebrew term for "permissible," and refers to the types and classifications of foods that are allowed for Jews to eat. The rules are rather complicated and need to be studied to be sure that one is adhering to the correct rules. Buying foods that are certified kosher takes a lot of the guesswork out of the process of preparing meals, as the requirements for kosher certification are very exact.

Since according to kosher rules, a food that is prepared with the utensils used for another type of food may take on those characteristics, we have several instances of classification which may not seem to make sense. For example, foods classified as dairy, but which contain no actual dairy products. If they are prepared using the same utensils as dairy foods, then this will be the case.

Strict Kosher Requirements
Sometimes, it may be that the ingredients destined to be used in the production of a particular food item technically meet kosher requirements. The rabbi supervising the process may, however, see that the handling of the food has not met the high standards required for kosher food, and may refuse to allow the ingredient to be used. The strict requirements are the main reason why kosher foods are often a little more expensive than their non-kosher counterparts.

Although this state of affairs makes life difficult for producers of kosher food, it should be very reassuring to those who purchase it. Close observation by a rabbi means that kosher food is of high quality in every meaning of the word, and can be relied upon as part of a kosher diet. Due to this reputation for quality and reliability, many non-Jews opt for kosher when they are following a special diet, or when they are looking for quality food items.



Posted by mini*lindy   ( 391 ) on Jun-24-07 at 05:45:45 PDT   Listings
flip Phil I presume you realize that the ''perforations'' on the self adhesive stamps are not actually perforated, but rather knife cuts? here is an example of how the booklet panes appear, with part of some designs actually extending beyond the edge of the 'stamp' area.
from the $10 / 20 stamp WILDFLOWERS self adhesive booklet.

Linda
Posted by djs127   ( 592 ) on Jun-24-07 at 05:36:26 PDT   Listings
David B.- Thanks for the tip about resturants in Irsael.

As far as kosher- all plants as far as I know are kosher. The question is are they a fruit or a vegetable as a different blessing is said on fruits or vegetables.

As far as animals- kosher animals are in the bible but some of the species are not well understood and there are debates on them in the talmud and different traditions in the Sephardi and Ashkenazi communities. I have read a number of articles on this subject and it is quite complex. E.g. can one eat ostrich meat?
David Snyder
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1667 ) on Jun-24-07 at 05:33:01 PDT   Listings
This looked like something someone in here might collect.
Don't know whether it's common or not, but...

http://cgi.ebay.com/U-S-A-1934-SHIPPING-LINE-METERMARK-COVER-TO-GERMANY_W0QQitemZ150134392576QQihZ005QQcategoryZ47148QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-24-07 at 05:02:00 PDT   Listings
Thanks David that explains a lot.
Peter
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-24-07 at 04:43:26 PDT   Listings
greenwave, Gibbons only gives a simplified listing of the shades. The ACSC lists 3 shades Red Brown, Deep Red Brown & Pale Red Brown & 3 of the Scarlet, Golden Scarlet, Pale Gold Scarlet & Deep Golden Scarlet. There are also two dies of the Scarlet, Die II & Die III. Both of your Scarlets look like Die II,

David B.
Posted by sayasan   ( 672 ) on Jun-24-07 at 04:23:24 PDT   Listings
All fruit and vegetables are kosher in principle. Maybe X isn't even Jewish?
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1353 ) on Jun-24-07 at 04:01:07 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"

to you all



Jim L.

member
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-24-07 at 03:52:38 PDT   Listings
David Thanks, I was being confused by the one in the middle which I thought was the red/brown. If the one on the left is SG98 and the one on the right is SG99 what is the one in the centre? They all perf out at around 13.5 by 12.5 with WMK7.


Peter
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-24-07 at 03:16:03 PDT   Listings
greenwave,

try s.g. 89 or 98,

David B.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-24-07 at 02:56:24 PDT   Listings
NOIP Trying to plough through a pile of Aussie GV heads does anyone know a good website for reference? Especially confused by the 26-30 series as I have a 2d brown which is listed in Lowe but not SG 2007. Probably my brain malfunctioning on a Sunday morning:-)
Peter
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-24-07 at 02:44:07 PDT   Listings
flip, there are plenty of articles about them in the ACCC Bulletin which is published by the Australian Commonwealth Collectors in Sydney. I don't know anything about them except to use them on letters but as Linda says they come in different formats. The usual sales are in self adhesive $5 & $10 booklets but they are also available in rolls & sheet form. The much larger usages would be in booklets which is used by most buyers,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-24-07 at 02:37:07 PDT   Listings
me too, I can't seem to get through to explain the difference between MISSENT and redirected and unless X learns the difference it is a waste of time and effort.

I was also intrigued about the comments about non kosher plants as it do not make any sense especially as so many of our common vegetables & fruit we eat today originated in South America and would have been unknown in biblical times,

David B.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 391 ) on Jun-24-07 at 02:29:50 PDT   Listings
gosh, Phil, I have never checked the perfs on the self adhesives, but we do have self adhesives in booklet format and in rolls (sold per 100 in a box), so maybe thats it. I'll wait and see if David or Dave know.

meanwhile I'll look around the house for a Philatelic Bulletin about newest issues!

Lindy
Posted by flip138   ( 382 ) on Jun-24-07 at 02:23:28 PDT   Listings
Possibly one of our resident Australians might be able to help me with this?

Recent Australian definitive stamps seem to come in 3 different varieties: non self-adhesive, self-adhesive perf 11.5 (SEP Sprint) and self-adhesive perf 13 (Pemara). What puzzles me is the relative availability of the different types. In my purchases of bulk lots for postmarks, the self-adhesive perf 11.5 is by far the most common. I understand that people may prefer to use the self-adhesives, but then why is the perf 13 version so uncommon? Can you easily buy all three types at post offices, or do they just stock one or other of them?

Thanks in advance for any information!

Phil
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 391 ) on Jun-24-07 at 01:32:48 PDT   Listings
ALEC & PAUL

I agree

_______________________________________



THERE, I have drawn the line, not another word to any of the x's will pass my fingertips! :o)

Linda
Posted by infla-alec   ( 544 ) on Jun-24-07 at 01:23:11 PDT   Listings
Paul I agree with you also the subject has been beaten to death. No matter how many times a certain person has been exposed as a liar they keep coming back.
Funny thing is when I open this page now I say to myself, "Is that cow I can smell ?" then I realise it isn't so it must be , "bullsh** !!"
Responding to the liars posts is only encouraging him / her / they to come back with yet more of the same.
Until such times as the subject is no longer mentioned here I'll use my time more beneficially and do some serious sorting and re-mounting of my collection.
Sure I'll still be in the background somewhere but I'll only respond to postings here that are relevant to what I know about and can be of some help in general.
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-23-07 at 23:20:31 PDT   Listings
stamps12345 the ID davidxfilshman dieoes not belong to one of the Fleishmans. A s***tstirrer delux. He posted a couple of messages a few days ago as well.The spelling is very similar but different.
Posted by ww130t   ( 1 ) on Jun-23-07 at 23:03:51 PDT   Listings
An odd posting by "davidxflishman". His statement that a plant or animal is kosher only because it "is mentioned in the bible" is totally ,completely and absolutely untrue.Many un-kosher animals such as leopards, bears,and lions are prominently "mentioned in the bible". In order to be kosher, food must meet specific rules carefully elaborated in the book of Deuteronomy. Maybe he is not even an Israeli!
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-23-07 at 23:02:28 PDT   Listings
Linda and David-On one cover, I have posted, has both Missent and Redirected with a surcharge on it.Here the surcharge is a seperate h/s I have about 60 more.I really think that during this period an Auxiliary h/s that mentions a place name and in the same h/s charges 2c is the same as a Missent ,name of town h/s.Others hust have the name of the town without missent and have clearly been missent to these towns . The rediretion h/s differ substantially from those of today that don't have the name of the town in them and don't charge for redirection. In this period of late 1940's early and mid 1950's even RTS were taxed and sometimes refused -I have about 30 examples of these.What is clear is that adding a date to the auxiliary h/s was a rarity and very rarely done.
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-23-07 at 22:46:25 PDT   Listings
David Benson-sorry about the misunderstanding between restaurants and missent covers . I had a good laugh. Israel now has TaHai, Indonesian, Polynesian,Malaysian and every combination of Asian Restaurant. The most famous is the one belonging to Aharoni that started off as a Chinese restaurant but now overlaps into food of the Asia Pacific Rim Area. It is situated in the heart of Silicon Wadi (Israel's Silicon Valley)-very expensive. The way kashrut works is that if a plant or animal is mentioned in the bible it is kosher to use. Since many ingredients of Chinese and Indonesian restaurants use ingredients that are not mentioned in the bible they are not kosher and those that do have a kosher certificate quite obviously use a substitute ingredient. It would very often take a gourmet to notice the difference.
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-23-07 at 22:36:19 PDT   Listings
Note that The ID davidxfilshman that logged a message below does not belong to me. Clearly someone is s***tstering and enjoying it.This ID logged a couple of messengers on the Board a couple of days ago as well. I had my doubts if I maide two typo errors when registering my creditcards and this solves my problem. I did not. The Id belongs to someone else. David and Linda I did not mean to offend you or lLinda . I simply managed finally to use photobucket and post some interesting covers.David you spoke of an ideal situation of having a second date on a missent cover (redirected in the 1950's I think was the equivalent since the town is mentioned in the redirect auxiliary marking), there aren't any. Linda you said that per the UPU a postal authority may not charge again one cover clearly has missent and a redirection auxiliary marking and charges 2c. An area worth studing more closely.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-23-07 at 21:42:57 PDT   Listings
DAVID X Those type of sales are totally acceptable in the stamp trade with the approval of both E-BAY and their watch committee.I like to call those Lottery sales ,they are for beginners and bottom-feeders .

They work like this .......you sell hope and wishful dreams of new found treasures ,beginners and the "please fool me crowd " are looking for a bargin .So a experience seller can sell "dusty old attic lots" "old yellow glassines""stuff for sale but don't know whats its worth" all kinds of creative marketing can make a person a lot of money selling cheap stamps if you know the right phrases .

Tell your relatives and friends not to try and sell a possible questionable item but try to sell dreams of riches and get the buyer to purchase something they are thinking in their head and not purchase a describition from a e-bay listing ,sell the dream .....paul

Posted by davidxfilshman   ( 0 )   on Jun-23-07 at 21:19:58 PDT   Listings
It looks as if some others have been asking questions about this one as well. I would still like to see the others. I don't think it worth a $10,000 bid as previously suggested on this board. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280127529160&rd=1&rd=1
Posted by sammlermax1   ( 882 ) on Jun-23-07 at 20:40:19 PDT   Listings
Good morning and greetings from Austria.:-)
Posted by jaywild   ( 953 ) on Jun-23-07 at 20:33:37 PDT   Listings
Madame X… I hope they arrange a visit to the US for you real soon. I hear the government wants to put you in the same “hotel” this guy is in.

Jim
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 391 ) on Jun-23-07 at 20:16:51 PDT   Listings
I never said redirections dont get surcharged/ taxed, only MISSENT cannot be taxed
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-23-07 at 20:07:07 PDT   Listings
X, again I didn't say anything about forwarded mail having to have a transit mark, I said that MISSENT mail should. I have to agree with Jay that you have got a problem between knowing what is Missent and Forwarded. Missent is a mark applied by the Post Office as it had arrived at the wrong Post Office and then sent to the proper destination. Forwarded mail is after it has been tried to deliver and there is a problem with the actual address not the Post Office. They are handled in an entirely different way. The 1st. is caused by missorting or placing in the wrong Post Office bag and the second is because there is a problem with the actual address. As stated previously many times, the Post Office does not charge for Missent Mail whilst forwarded mail may have a charge imposed,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-23-07 at 20:01:14 PDT   Listings
djs, I wouldn't recommend it, there are plenty of restaurants in Israel to go to without eating Chinese. The one I had a meal at in Jerusalem I would give a 2 out of 10. We went to a Polish restaurant in Tel Aviv and I would give it a 10 out of 10 When we went on a tour of Israel my wife couldn't get used to having pickles for breakfast but I didn't mind it.

David B.
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-23-07 at 19:59:43 PDT   Listings
jaywild -do you reallu havea peanut size brain. They were to show min*lindy and David that there statements about a second date and no charge if forwarded were incorrect. At least one scan does that clearly. As for your other remark-it may come as a surprise that I have nver been to the USA.
Posted by djs127   ( 592 ) on Jun-23-07 at 19:45:29 PDT   Listings
David B the 2nd Chinese Glatt Kosher resturant in Jerusalem you linked to would you recommend the food? Wish I could go to Israel when the next stamp show is in Tel Aviv.
Guess for now I will have to settle for looking at some new Israel/Palestine auction catalogs which came in the mail recently.
David Snyder
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-23-07 at 19:10:19 PDT   Listings
X,

no, I didn't say the 2nd. one is Glatt Kosher, I said the 2nd. Chinese Restaurant in Jerusalem that I linked to is Glatt Kosher, the Malayan Missent marks are more likely trafe,

David B.
Posted by nomad55   ( 899 ) on Jun-23-07 at 18:28:26 PDT   Listings
I see our favorite bloviator is back, still trying to convince people that their missent markings are genuine.

Pure and total rubbish!!! Anyone can visit a local office supply store and have a handstamp made up saying anything they want. These are the kind of covers that are used to start up the barbecue.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 391 ) on Jun-23-07 at 18:27:10 PDT   Listings
thanks,jim!
Posted by jaywild   ( 953 ) on Jun-23-07 at 18:11:59 PDT   Listings
X man/woman… None of the examples you showed had anything to do with “missent” mail. Under US regulations, some bulk mail is charged a due fee if it is forwarded. Quite common. That has nothing to do with charging a fee for mail that was missent, which never happens.

You have no brain at all, do you?

Jim
Posted by tgnmore2002   ( 58 ) on Jun-23-07 at 17:40:13 PDT   Listings
Posted by cjavine   ( 434 ) on Jun-23-07 at 17:18:17 PDT   Listings
stamps12345
My mistake on the capitalization.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-23-07 at 17:15:58 PDT   Listings
CJAVINE -----yea they don't like these three words used together ------daughter.......underwear.....perverts ....oh well ..........Its Flying Tigers not flying tigers ,they were a special group and admire everything they did ,good luck on your hunt.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1052 ) on Jun-23-07 at 17:12:48 PDT   Listings
Paul

Amazed to see that even you have reached your breaking point.

Back from the Armenian store where I have been slobbering over Baniska and Baklava, etc.
Posted by cjavine   ( 434 ) on Jun-23-07 at 17:07:28 PDT   Listings
stamps12345
They zapped that post didnt they. I have been looking for a blood chit from the flying tigers for the back of a jacket I bought recently.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-23-07 at 17:00:50 PDT   Listings
CJAVINE ----Looks like e-bay didn't like the wording that went with the scan .....thanks any how .

NEAT FIND.....Here is my most recent find ,the spelling on the upper red overprint is not listed in the catalog.Which has three different varities this one is spelled ... PAN2MA.... ERROR IN OVERPRINT ....paul

Posted by cjavine   ( 434 ) on Jun-23-07 at 16:43:48 PDT   Listings
stamps12345

please thank your daughter for me for all she does for us.
and to all service members past, present, and future thank you.
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-23-07 at 16:43:26 PDT   Listings
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb111/davidfleishman/m6.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb111/davidfleishman/m5.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb111/davidfleishman/m4.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb111/davidfleishman/m3.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb111/davidfleishman/m2.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb111/davidfleishman/m1.jpg
Here are some of the missent, redirected with a 2 cent charge for mini*linfdy to start her research on. Of course the debate will be "Unclaimed at XXX is equivalent to Missent but there is one clear example of a Missent , Redirected and with a charge to pay 2c. Theere is nothing of interest on the back.No date stamps. I will post some others . There is one from the Post Office a Postcard with a large POSTAGE DUE 2CENT that has $2.06 in postage due stamps affixed to it and tied by date stamps. I presume this is for a bundle of RTS envelopes to the same address.I agree with stamp12345 -time to move on.
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-23-07 at 16:18:24 PDT   Listings
Common David in another message you declared the one with a small straightline MISSENT TO MALAYSIA as kosher."sorry, make that the 2nd. one is Glatt Kosher" You did not say why the second one in your opinion is neither here nor there.There are others which I will post when I get them back.Mini*LindyI fail to see what your rambling is about with regard to Stephen Darori. Obviously one of JD8 listers is s**tstering.Only an idiot would change the ID to something ending in Kahn with an X in it.The person obviously read the Me column of Lewis and acted to take the flack off them and onto us. Lewis has been a member since April 1st and had a Me Column from the day he registered.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-23-07 at 16:11:20 PDT   Listings
HAPPY TO REPORT YOU BEAT THE SUBJECT TO DEATH Please no more on Kosher Chinesse food----Malaysian covers ----Fake markings on covers .......time to move on
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 391 ) on Jun-23-07 at 15:37:42 PDT   Listings
get this straight NO I did not say stephen darori was clean as a whistle
I simply stated that that particular id has only been used as a buying id
and if he is dead as you now try to smokescreen us ... ha ha.. it is since May 15, or is he changing ids from the grave you are trying to give him.
Many of us have multiple IDs stacey, myself included, but not all of us use some of them to defraud other ebayers as johnnydean did, nor do we use them without following the ebay rules and regulations as lewisx did.

Roger you are of course perfectly correct. That wavey line UK cds on bottom left of stamp, is commonly used on Registered mail, I have several here, but that stamp has been added after it was soaked from another envelope.

Dunc under the bridge, keep digging :o)!! Notice the quick 'disclaimer' too..... written by my 12 yr old son -- oh dear, so young to be trained in the way of a crook....defrauding the post office, maliciously trying to fake a registration of an item within the postal system, ......?????? --- all that and only 12 years old.. what chance does that young man have of a straight an narrow honest life ahead of him.

roly good morning! :o)

Linda
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-23-07 at 15:01:26 PDT   Listings
x,
where did I say anyone of them was kosher,

this is what I wrote,

" I have grave doubts about the authenticity of the Missent to Malaysia marks especially as the covers do not have any Malaysian markings however I would not rule it out altogether as it may have been old markings that was used,
Even if they are genuine they are of nominal value even to a specialist, "

David B.
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-23-07 at 14:54:48 PDT   Listings
malolo-Did you not read what I wrote about the the two Missent to Malaysia covers that David Bension declared half kosher and gave no explaination for the second one he did not give a kashrut certificate on. I realize without seeing it up close it is difficult to pass judgement.The one with an Israeli refgistration was posted in Mount Pleasant not over the counter in Israel. Only in rare bulk mailings would a registered piece of mail enter the Israel Mail without been fullu paid for bit the destination country does not always know that and treats it as registered preferred mail and some come back with the destinations attempts at delivering a registered item. When itcomes back to ISrael it is equally treated as an undelivered registered piece of mail and initially atemps were made to recover the unpaid postage but failed when it was observed or pointed out that it was not posted in Israel and the Registration and Express Labels were mere decorarions. It never the less had a registration label attached to a sealed plastic envelope -not in the picture with a registration (to be signed for label). The one posted from London used a used stamp.Again after a surcharge that was passed over in the massive sorting station of London. Both aimed at testing the postal agencies where the envelopes were posted and the destination countries.
Jaywild. Stephen Darori is in his late 80's if he is still alive. Since there is no malious intent rather curiousity and research and no atempt will ever be made to sue the USPS for damaging the envelope (tear), the USPS are unlikely to pursue a mail fraud case against me on the covers I sent over the last 6 months. It is time you distinquished between an old 85 plus man and a man less less than half his age. As Mini*Lindy pointed out that Stephen Darori was only a buyer and a large one. His last purchase was over 18 months ago.You read the messages but go on with your own line of irrelenance and inaccuracy. Ebay have never suspended Stephen Darori-he is as clean as a whistle.If he is still alive he is probably not up to reading your consistent condemnation of him. He is probably laughting at your inability to put facts together.His wife and Nephew were suspended but in the case of his nephew he was simply co-ordinating 8 listers and one or two caused all the hassles. The US will have to extradite an old women if she is alive from Geneva.To date the only person extradited from Israel was an king pin drug dealer. He stood trial in the US and was then transferred back to Israel to serve his 17 years (of which it is already agreed he will serve only 6) in Israel. I think his name was Rosenberg-it happened quite recently.
Malolo-it is possible to tract a rehgistered item to its exit from the country but Israel has no tie up with any other country.A trace by the sender is done by email.
duncan_doenitz I posted two MISSENT TO MALAYSIA covers for David Benson -whose vast experience could pass judgement on them. One he passed as kosher. The other he hummed and ha'ed on one .He probably would have to examone it closer to pass judgement on.As for "your statement "does it proof a fraud is repeatable"-it really raises the question whether there was a fraud in the first place unless you do not regard David Benson as qualified to pass judgement on it and get it straight if you look at Linda's email, that JD8 is Stephen Darori's (clean as a whistle per eBay)nephew and now devoting himself entirely to his sizable family business.David Benson pronounced one of the envelopes with Missent to Malaysia as kosher. The other not but for no particular reason.He probably needs to see it up close to pass judgement.Are you questionaing David Benson's credentials.If I have any messages left I will post a lot of covers to dispel any illusions Linda has. I agree also completely that per the UPU French is the designated international lanuage but most postal agencies in non-English now opt for English trather than French as the other language and the whole of the Asia Pacific Rim area with the exception of Macau which has a trilingual Missent hand stamp (would you like to see it-the third language is Portugese) have English Missent hand stamps.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jun-23-07 at 14:11:54 PDT   Listings
D2 One never knows what bargains ara available on eBay. ;-)
Posted by vonbag   ( 174 ) on Jun-23-07 at 13:58:39 PDT   Listings
Definitely *not* my typing evening!
Sorry Jim! ;-)

(likewise yesterday evening when I signed myself "Pass" instead of "Paolo" -- LOL!).

Good continuation,
Paolo ('Apollo' on Michel's spell checker ;-))
Posted by vonbag   ( 174 ) on Jun-23-07 at 13:52:49 PDT   Listings
Try it again, without so many typos:

Kasostamps
Of the proper recto verso printing on Italy Scott 23a -- 1863, 15 cents, blue, litho, effigy looking at left -- is only known one used example (it is quoted by Sassone catalogue ).
In unused condition it is always without gum and it is always a printer's waste: little value, also in a block of four. R.V. printing on bigger blocks (such as a block of 25) can be interesting for plating purposes.
Often, the recto- verso prining is associated with double (or more, multiple) print(s).

Paolo
Posted by mendelbrot   ( 45 ) on Jun-23-07 at 13:52:41 PDT   Listings
Greetings to you all


http://www.mendelbrot.net/mbegin/ME.htm
Michel
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-23-07 at 13:49:58 PDT   Listings
Roger,

and it also makes it less plausible without an arrival mark on a Registered cover,

David B.
Posted by vonbag   ( 174 ) on Jun-23-07 at 13:48:37 PDT   Listings
Knud-Erik
Sorry, but I didn't receive your emails.

Kasostamps
The recto verso printing on Italy Scott 23a -- the 1863 15 cents, blue, litho, effigy looking at left -- is only known in one used example (and quted but the catalogue Sassone).
In unused condition is always without gum and it is always a printer's waste: little value, also in a block of four. On bigger blocks can ne interesting for plating purposes.
Often the recto- verso prining is associated with double (or more) print(s).

Hi Michel!

All the best!

Paolo

Posted by mendelbrot   ( 45 ) on Jun-23-07 at 13:36:26 PDT   Listings
antonius-ra

http://www.mendelbrot.net/mbegin/Me.jpg
Michel
Posted by cjavine   ( 434 ) on Jun-23-07 at 13:31:27 PDT   Listings
Good afternoon all or morning depending on where you are.

NOIP
I have a question for anyone that has ever had to file a claim through paypal. If you bid and win 2 of the same item in a dutch auction and the seller only delivers one, what are the chances that paypal would give my money back on the 2nd. Seller had confirmation they delivered a package to me but it was only 1 of the 2 items. Have tried to contact seller through email but have been unable to get them to respond. It's not much money just the idea.

Any thoughts?

Maybe it will come to me having been missent to Malayasia?

thanks for any help
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 633 ) on Jun-23-07 at 12:24:03 PDT   Listings
Michel Greetings back to you, ole buddy.


Posted by mendelbrot   ( 45 ) on Jun-23-07 at 12:18:38 PDT   Listings
Greetings to you all

Michel
Me
Posted by malolo   ( 842 ) on Jun-23-07 at 12:11:58 PDT   Listings
Aloha -
"As the Puzzle Turns"

Today's puzzle includes two covers with "Missent to Malayasia" handstamps applied. One a registered letter from Israel to Taiwan, the other from London to China.

Israel to Taiwan - Sad state of affairs when a registered letter gets missent anywhere. Maybe the Israeli post office still has an online record of registration number "RR 208718756 IL" might show routing to confirm side trip to Malaysia!

London to China - I'm curious when the 34 pence stamp was added. If the letter was mailed without stamps in hope of receiving a postage due marking, why has a stamp been added? This cover has been kept "in family", correct?The lower left cancel does not tie to the cover, and it doesn't look like the machine "waves" align correctly. This cover loooks like more than a "Missent to Malaysia" was added.

Roger
Posted by jaywild   ( 953 ) on Jun-23-07 at 12:07:15 PDT   Listings
NOIP… I’m not sure I want to know what a high-speed gas restaurant is…



Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 953 ) on Jun-23-07 at 11:08:08 PDT   Listings
Stephen Darori (and all your aliases)… By registering in the United States and making the comments you have been making on this board, you are putting yourself at risk of being charged with mail fraud. In the US that is a very serious crime. Ebay has already bounced you twice from their system, because they know who you are, and they are very concerned with stopping fraud on their site.

Every post that you make here (whatever identity you use) is going into their case against you, and if it is ever turned over to the US government your free time will be severely curtailed. Last I heard there were no Chinese restaurants in any of the Federal prisons in this country. And yes, Israel will extradite you (i.e. send you to this country to stand trial) faster than you can say Aunt Netta.

Jim
Posted by duncan_doenitz   ( 120 ) on Jun-23-07 at 09:41:03 PDT   Listings
About the stephendarori name change to davidxkahn...

It looks like a failed attempt by Stephen Darori to eliminate the stephendarori name from eBay's system, while setting up a fresh alternate ID for quick future use. Instead, as mentioned already, it is just another nail in the coffin. Crooks often aren't nearly as clever as they like to believe.

One more interesting thing, the "proof" that the earlier bogus handstamps are genuine numbs the mind.

Lets see if I understand this correctly. The way to prove that earlier bogus handstamps are genuine is for the fraudster to send out more misdirected mailings, add bogus MISSENT handstamps to those when they bounce back, and post the images online.

Duh! Doesn't that just prove that the fraud is repeatable?

Of course knowing that the experts have already proven that the jd8 / Stephen Darori offerings were faked makes belief in them a joke, and doesn't do much to enhance faith in the current examples.

Reruns can be so boring!

Sxf / dxf / lxk / dxk / Stephen, next time you cross the bridge, slow down and listen closely and you might hear laughter coming from underneath it.

Ha ha ha ha ha!

-Dunc
Posted by 19thcentpostal   ( 189 ) on Jun-23-07 at 08:51:39 PDT   Listings
dcderoo The Federal trade commission has expressed an interest in thoe types of SPAM. Email is spam@uce.gov
Lynn
Posted by kasostamps   ( 1004 ) on Jun-23-07 at 08:19:11 PDT   Listings
does anyone have information regarding scott italy number 23a block of four recto verso
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Posted by knuden   ( 2288 ) on Jun-23-07 at 07:04:20 PDT   Listings
vonbag - Paolo, did you get my mails???

K.E   I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!


Posted by iomoon   ( 1052 ) on Jun-23-07 at 07:02:57 PDT   Listings
Paolo

It sounds so much more poetic in Italian!!
Posted by vonbag   ( 174 ) on Jun-23-07 at 06:54:50 PDT   Listings
Jim

UPU = Unione Postale Universale,
also in Italian.


Paolo
Posted by iomoon   ( 1052 ) on Jun-23-07 at 06:11:11 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

Might as well get something straight.

"English clearly has passed French as the second language of choice by postal authorities"

French is the official language and working language of the UPU, which incidently stands for Universal Postal Union in English and Union Postale Universelle in French. Amazingly, it translates to UPU either way.
English was added as a working language in 1994.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1667 ) on Jun-23-07 at 05:09:58 PDT   Listings
I haven't had one of these in a LONG time.
Someone from the Ivory Coast (new location?) wants me to help transfer money from there.
I'll get 20% of $19.5 million.

Is there a place to report this sort of thing?
If so, what's the addy?

Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-23-07 at 04:54:25 PDT   Listings
x,

you seem to use the word " rare " instead of uncommon. The Taiwan seal may be difficult to find but rare is an overstatement especially for modern items.

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-23-07 at 04:51:35 PDT   Listings
x,

I have been to Israel 3 times, once with my father who spoke perfect Hebrew but not perfect Ivrit and as Australian Commissioner for the exhibition in 1983 and as an exhibitor in 1997. I hope to get to the exhibition next year in Tel Aviv but it is not definite yet. We don't normally frequent Chinese restuarants as I am not fond of Chinese food but would rather go to Vietnamese, Malaysian or Indonesian restuarants if I had a choice,

David B.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-23-07 at 04:49:31 PDT   Listings
Confirm that the vertical column characters are applied in Taiwan and basically say the same as the English including the location of the post office, thanks to my other half. I didn't say anything about Malaysia!
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-23-07 at 04:46:22 PDT   Listings
Last email. Would you like , as an experienced philatelic judge, to explain your pronouncement with regard to the kashrut of the handstamps.Seems illogical to reck a perfectly rare seal of Taiwan (nowadays it probably has gone the way of other postal authorities and just sealed in an apologetic platic envelope in two or more languages although English clearly has passed French as the second language of choice by postal authorities).
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-23-07 at 04:39:27 PDT   Listings
David Benson is time you made another trip to ISrael. Tel Aviv where we have our shop is crawling with Chinese restaurants suchi bars and Asia Pacific Rim area specialist restaurants -thank you for reminding me. I will try one for a translation. Don't jump down my throat for the same use of names. I took the most common used on the Netanya Envelopes, Alfred Milner, Cecil J. Rhodes (Governor and PM during the 2nd Anglo Boer War ) and Starky Jameson (ist Anglo Boer War actually Rhodes Doctor and Friend)and a dozen others and told my some to get Asia Pacific Addresses from Alibaba.com and try and make them realistic as possible.At least these can then be pinpointed without any denial that I was responsible for them.There are others with the 1st handstamp if you are really keen to seee them. Didn't quite catch Manila been a Missent to Malaysia. I would have thought the Philippines more correctly.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-23-07 at 04:33:53 PDT   Listings
x,

sorry, make that the 2nd. one is Glatt Kosher, the 1st. isn't,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-23-07 at 04:31:56 PDT   Listings
x,

heer are the websites for the Chinese restaurants,they are Glatt Kosher and quite reasonable,

http://www.dinnersite.co.il/jerusalem/mandarin.htm

http://www.frommers.com/destinations/jerusalem/D59187.html

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-23-07 at 04:27:44 PDT   Listings
x,

The Chinese handstamps were applied in Taiwan and not in Malaysia and should be easy to translate. There is a Chinese restaurant in Jerusalem, we once went to dinner there and the owner's wife should be able to translate the markings for you whilst you are having a kosher Chinese meal.

I have grave doubts about the authenticity of the Missent to Malaysia marks especially as the covers do not have any Malaysian markings however I woulkd not rule it out altogether as it may have been old markings that was used,
Even if they are genuine they are of nominal value even to a specialist,

David B.
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-23-07 at 04:17:34 PDT   Listings
sayasan I don't want to use up all my "messages". It wasn't paid for.It was put in the mail by my brother in Mount Pleasant with no stamps hoping to pick up a 80c or was it already 84c surcharge .The second one on a business trip to the UK in North London.This envelope isn't badly torn and hence wasn;t pulled from the sorting line and put in a UK "damaged in transit-please accept our apologies" plastic envelope that spoils further postal h/s.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-23-07 at 04:12:01 PDT   Listings
Linda Well spotted, I think that's called the last nail in the coffin:-)
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-23-07 at 04:11:09 PDT   Listings
How about this one and the writing is my 12 year old son so don't start BS that it is JD8, his 85 year aunt Netta or 90 year old uncle Stephen's and that fact that two exist can also be used the other way Here is another MISSENT TO MALAYSIA same colourbut not blocked Again there are chinese h/s and manuscript for someone to enlighten us with a transation. This one was sent from North London in late Nov 2006. I see a future in holding this material and what did it costs to create a 5 agorot envelope and a used 34pence stamp that sailed through London massive sorting station.When Lewis returns the others I will post them as well.We don't get to see him often enough.http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb111/davidfleishman/Malaysia2ndhandstamp.jpg
Posted by sayasan   ( 672 ) on Jun-23-07 at 03:47:56 PDT   Listings
Wherever that cover was put into the mails, and however it was prepaid (not clear from the scan), one thing is clear - the "MISSENT TO MALAYSIA" mark is bogus and was added afterwards by our friend. Malaysia uses a dated circular mark, already posted here by Linda - I also have an example.
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-23-07 at 03:46:40 PDT   Listings
mini*lindy I only have another 7 messages I can register so I won't waste them. The only reason I can think of is that one of the 8 listers of JD8 is following this discussion with amuzements and it has been going on for some time now and is s**tstirring. JD8 also wrote a very curteous email to all his customers that he was going out of business "suspended by eBay" but they should look at Lewis's listing,lewisxkahn, it overlaps in two respects. One COGH both landgrants and postal history and lithographs although in both cases I would imagine that Lewis has far greater stock -cerainly when it bcomes to art he is not limited to lithographs from Verve only but equal and even more from the two other experimental publications of the time that produced lithographs XXe Siele and Derrierre le Miroir and over a thousand limited edition and unique African lithoghs and prints (all below 60 in the limited edition run ).
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-23-07 at 03:35:26 PDT   Listings
Here hopefully is the back of the cover. If anyone speaks Chinese perhaps nthey will enlighten us all to what the two auxiliary markings mean.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb111/davidfleishman/MalaysiaBackofCover.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb111/davidfleishman/Malaysia2007.jpg


That was the most exciting moment I have had since arriving in Israel 8 months ago
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-23-07 at 03:23:37 PDT   Listings
Linda-here is one of the Malaysia Missent examples.It was put in the post in Mount Pleasant and has a 26.4.2007 datestamp. It was not put into the post in Israel. That would have cost 2.80 (ordinary stamps) +5.90 (registration) + 10.40 (expressed). It bnevertheless picked up a Taiwan Official Seal on the reverse there is something in Chinese (two statements). I was wrong about the colour it is blue-neither light, royal or dark blue Netscape Palette more or less BODY BGCOLOR="#0099FF
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb111/davidfleishman/Malaysia2007.jpg

Am curious to see if this is the way photobucket works. If so when I get back (I have to go out for an hour or so) I will scan some of the the covers I have mentioned-2c for redirecting a cover and some of the small missent covers for your input.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 391 ) on Jun-23-07 at 03:10:47 PDT   Listings
the plot thickens

User ID Effective Date End Date
stephendarori Jul-14-01 May-15-07
changed his id to

davidxkahn May-15-07
but has not used the account for over 18months and only ever used it for BUYING!!
so why a name switch in May on an account that has been inactive for 18 mnths?


STAMP SHOW In Melbourne today was good, lots of dealers, lots of collectors. No exhibits, its just a 2 day fair. Caught up with several old friends from England, South Africa and a cpl USA dealers too (Peter Singer of Portland OR and Gary duBro)
Did not find one single Putney item to add to the collection, but the chat was good, and the weather was kind.
Linda


Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-23-07 at 02:37:46 PDT   Listings
David Benson-just for the record-I see no record of Stephen Darori ever been a ebay seller. The seller ID simply used his US bank account I see someone in his family has changed his ID to Davidxkahn.S***tstirring from the Kahns taking a hamerring for all their or one or two individuals sins.Not even well lets not insult one of your regular contributors is so stupid. Interesting though he has not been suspended.
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-23-07 at 02:28:53 PDT   Listings
David Benson-David here-I too have received internal email and email to my email address David.Fleishman@gmail.com. As far as the Daroris are concerned, from someone who bought some of her concentration covers she survived Auschwitz, her mother and 5 children did not.And all there wealth in Switzerland couldn't save her. Jonathan has replaced then as CEO of the family business.That would place in her (Netta) 80's and two years ago was in failing healthy. Apparently the family were picked up by the Vichy Government while holdaying at their estate in the South of France and all the wealth of the Patriach of the family Samuel could not save them. That would place Stephen Darori in his late 80's or 90's if he is still alive. For the last 8 decades they have run a successful private series of hedgefunds from Geneva and also VC practices in at least 8 locations around the world since the early 90's (that came from a client). That is how they get to Israel. It is 2nd only to Silicon Valley in terms of start -up investment.I doubt if Stephen was ever an active partner -his US bank account simply came in handy when they were listing from Israel and the proceeds all went to charity. In terms of US eBay policy Israeli's have to register on the US site. They don't have a site of their own like Australians or British.I also have received emails that account for over 70 "Netanya Covers" it is an area overlooked until recently "official seals" and that was what Netta Darori appears to be after.I doubt if any of the Netanya covers or early Tel Aviv covers were altered or enhanced. Read the email on writing directly to the postal authority as no doubt Jim Drummond does - some of the surcharge stamps have been out of circulation for a decade on some of the Netanya Covers she sold in earlier listings and tied with a date stamp.It was also probably how she got the infrequently used Missent Handstamp from Toulouse, Dominican Republic, Jersey and Guensey and elsewhere .I am pleased the balconeers are reading these messages.It is full of ideas to try and be adventurous. Push the postal authorities to their limits. Look up under google for the countries the US has severed Postal Relations with, the ones basically every one has severed postal relationships with is the Darfur province, Japan too has suspended postal services to countries close bySend a dead letter to one of these places via Denmark, Slovenia, UK , Germany or Australia and you will end us with an interesting suspended service h/s, or label.Linda this is for the modern "historian"-if you can afford it-it is all yours or a futuristic balconeer.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-23-07 at 01:59:01 PDT   Listings
Alec well said. Ignoring is one thing but exposing a fraudster is another, I think we are all trying to keep eBay a safe place to trade. To keep this post on topic I thought I would show a Missent which comes in the very rare even unique shade of bright reddish violet. Manila:-)


Peter


Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-23-07 at 01:39:38 PDT   Listings
thanks to all for helping.

It's just that I had a private email from a balconeer who claims that Stephen Darori ripped off a friends sister and that he is in his early 50's.

David X, By comparing your comments to Stephens it looks like you will have to undergo a lie detector test to prove your not one and the same.

Just one question, how come you list your place of residence as the US in your new ID, if you intend to buy or sell will you be shipping to/from there, if not then you are breaking an Ebay rule and if they knew, the Naru bird will come down and pluck you away to a desert island somewhere,

David B.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 544 ) on Jun-23-07 at 00:14:54 PDT   Listings
Bored to death David X you really are starting to bore me and dare I say others to death with your constant ramblings. I very much doubt anyone believes a single word you or your alter ego's say. It's like listening to a broken record.
Your pathetic stories are full of holes and have been exposed here several times. A blind chicken could find it's way past your trail of lies on its way to the cornfield. Reincarnating yourself with another ebay id isn't working either so get the message and go away.
I feel that others here should perhaps just ignore every post you make and then perhaps you will get fed up and eventually leave us alone.

Mitch Hopefully today ones will start to scan and show items for the monthly Eusc meeting.High time this board was back on a philatelic keel. Don't think I have anything here that I can show but will be watching the board in case I can reply to anyone's questions.
Posted by duncan_doenitz   ( 120 ) on Jun-23-07 at 00:14:12 PDT   Listings
So you've essentially reverted back to the old jd8 identity again, recycling the same old BS that there is validity to the fakes.

Jeez, forget it, the frauds have already long ago been revealed, why start that same BS all over again? And why would you be trying to defend someone with whom, according to your claims, you have no connection?

Don't get this old Troll angry, if it becomes necessary to do any serious hard work to reveal the whole pathetic truth, you might not be happy with the results. Meanwhile, we'll just keep the Stephen Darori name active here, so it doesn't scroll off the board, and it'll show up in Google searches. Remember, the victims sent their checks to him.

If you really want to continue, let's get some of those buyers here to tell their stories, their tales are likely to be much more interesting than yours.

-Dunc

Most cockroaches seem to scurry off when the light hits them, eh? They don't like to be seen. (nudge nudge, wink wink)
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-22-07 at 22:58:37 PDT   Listings
mini*lindy- certainly as soon as I get them back from Lewis and work out how prohotobucket.com works.But spend a dollar and send two dozen to the largest towns in Malaysia and perhaps one to a town just across the border of Malaysia and you will have your own collection to to work onAlso received in English Missent to Brunei. So try that country as well. Also East Timor-it consists of two distinct parts so send some to each part.If you are interested there are also 20 odd countries the US has cut postal ties with -send them via the USA to these countries and see what you get back.It is actually educational.Amoung the massive collection are suspended service examples and redirected from airmail to train to avoid delay cachets and hand stamps.(pre 1950).
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-22-07 at 22:50:23 PDT   Listings
duncan_doenitz-if you look at some of JD8 and FCEcollections Missent , Officials seals -you can see that they (his Aunt) used every trick in the book as David Benson suggested you would have to be. including sending a number open on threee sides others were completely opened on three sides no doubt before applying any of the auxiliary handstamps. I am surprised that there are not more "across the margin" handstamps.And how far across the margin was the single example you are harbering on. A tear (try it yourself) with a large amount of paper inside shifts the margin. You acted like school kids when you (isoon?)noticed the cross the margin handstamp, jumping at the obvious conclusion without bearing in mind that the collection shows every trick in the book to confuse, confound and deceive the postal authories to placing the hand stamps. I would not even be surprised if she wrote under the pretense of writing a book to the postmaster with some of the Netanya covers to apply the appropriate handstamps on covers she had prepared as if they were received damagedin transit,underfranked(surcharged) and missent. I from my readings have noted when postal authorities officially gave up using surcharge or to pay stamps and some with post dates are long after they officially gave up using surcharge and to pay stamps.Did you make that observation . In some cases it was obvious. Israel by the way gave up their use in 1961 so I can't imagine many in the 1980's still using them.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 391 ) on Jun-22-07 at 22:38:16 PDT   Listings
so, davidx. are you willing to show us any of your MISSENT TO MALAYSIA covers from 2007??????
not even one of them? or hasnt the ink dried yet?

funny, America is a country I have only ever spent 4 weeks in, never lived there. Australia 17 years, Europe 8 years, RSA, 2 years, Australia another 30 years...

no it doesnt frighten or surprise me you got aussie visa, we let almost anyone in!
Posted by duncan_doenitz   ( 120 ) on Jun-22-07 at 22:30:58 PDT   Listings
David B, perhaps the early post by davidxflishman that you're looking for is one he posted on June 14th.

It sounded fishy when he recently stated that he and staceyx and lewisx have no connection to jonathandean8 (Stephen Darori), but his earlier statements show remarkable connections.

In the June 14th post he mentioned that Netta Darori was "jonathandean8's" aunt, a connection none of us was able to make, demonstrating his inside knowledge of that relationship.

In that same post, by the way, he revealed a lot about jd8's unusual disclaimer concerning "uncatalogued" handstamps - that the MISSENT handstamp was NOT added by the postal agencies, but rather was a Darori product - if you know how to interpret the disclaimer! You can see Stephen Darori's mind at work planning a legal defense if he wound up in court, as revealed by his auction wording and by davidxflishman's June 14th explanation...

Jd8 said, in his auctions, that the handstamps "were unlikely to have been catalogued... and should be regarded as instructional markings".

Davidx took it a step further, explaining, "He may have added a handstamp to confuse the postal authorities but always put the disclaimer whereit existed or not that it had not been catalogued".

Of course we all know that jd8's (Stephen Daroris') handstamps were proven phony, and even further, that some were applied AFTER the items passed through the mail system. Remember the one ridiculous handstamped marking that was applied across the fold of an envelope, added after the envelope was opened up by a collector to display both sides??!!!

Nice try, dxf, but your mistakes are catching up with you.

Anyway for anyone looking for a connection between Darori and lewisxkahn, that was provided when you stated that jd8 referred his buyers to the new lewisxkahn identity. That alone is pretty strong circumstantial evidence that the new identity was a replacement for the old one.

No connection? Yeah, right.

I'm just saying...

-Dunc
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-22-07 at 22:28:01 PDT   Listings
mini*lindy-we hold green cards so who knows. We also hold immigration rights to Australia which we need to exercise within 6 months. Does that frighten you. Never had you figured-lived inSouth Africa-seem to live in Australia now -but act like an American when itcomes to making bombasytic philatelic statements (outbursts). Perhaps it is you who should be reading the catalogues cover to cover.For your new career as "philatelic historian" I really can recommend Jim Kotanchik's Post Office Seals of the United States and Possession and a quick squizz at the Scott listing of these seals.The book unfortunately does not cover the last 3 decades. I can also strongly recommend Jim Drummond's letter. I understand it was a JD8 donattion to the Hess St , Library anonymously.It is remarkable in that it includes real examples of seals in it.He deals with a different country in each edition.
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-22-07 at 22:18:00 PDT   Listings
jaywild-if you are stumped by my two ebay ID's so am I. When I try to enter under davidxfilshman, I get an error message that the ID was changed on 11th June. The only problem is i have yet to try to change my ID and correct the spelling. Go figure that one out for me and i doublt very much when left a message it was using davidxfilshman
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-22-07 at 22:12:22 PDT   Listings
stampmad-link no auction to me. I have never bid nor likely to in the near future.. I may bid on some books in the distant fiture but at the moment we are still examining what we jhave bought and have yet to plough through a massive storeroom.
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-22-07 at 20:17:43 PDT   Listings
Greenwave4u and d.Benson-you more observant than I am that I also made a typo error with my second creditcard as well.I believe there is somewhere in the site map where I can change the spelling. Even I did not make the observation when entering the nessage board.Both Stacey and I could become sellers . But it is Lewis who has the US bank account and retired that wants to become a full time eBay seller and was for 8 days.He is still awaiting the outcome of his appeal (very high volume of appeals). To repatriate proceeds from sales via Paypal one needs a US bank account and cannot do it directly to an Israeli bank account or even receive a check to an Israeli bank account.He is prepared to wait for the results of the appeal.
Posted by billsey   ( 847 ) on Jun-22-07 at 19:38:23 PDT   Listings
David, it looks like Milenko hasn't gotten the week of June 11-17 posted yet. As soon as he does that post will be available, along with all his others. We're also working on getting a search box in the archives page, so hopefully that will be a tool available soon.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1353 ) on Jun-22-07 at 18:32:05 PDT   Listings
Bookmark
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3683 ) on Jun-22-07 at 18:22:41 PDT   Listings

Am out of town this weekend, went to a WalMart to get some necessities. I didn't wear my glasses in and asked a clerk where the pharmacy area was. She pointed to a wall and said "Right there where the big Px sign is."

God's truth.

Jeff

Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Jun-22-07 at 17:24:45 PDT   Listings
dbenson I think this has what you requested.

Bill D.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Jun-22-07 at 17:17:34 PDT   Listings
any comments on the "Semi-persistant BIN" that is being rolled out.

"Over the next few months, we're going to be testing a number of variations of the rules for how long the BIN option will stay available on a listing. For example, we may start with a rule that the BIN option will remain available on the listing until the bidding reaches 50% of the BIN amount. This rule could be modified with a different percentage over the course of our testing. Other variations could include keeping the BIN available until a certain amount of time is left in the listing, or until a certain amount of bids have been placed.

Any thoughts on this.
Posted by stampmad   ( 1086 ) on Jun-22-07 at 17:17:17 PDT   Listings
Also in reference to that auction that was linked to by Davidx, what sort of seller would say in his description that he only paid $4 for it when he is trying to achieve the highest price possible.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-22-07 at 17:14:40 PDT   Listings
Jay, it should be on the next day, June 11th.,

David B.
Posted by stampmad   ( 1086 ) on Jun-22-07 at 17:13:46 PDT   Listings
Roger My Swiss cover is not for sale..yet. My interest is in the marking so if I locate another (about 5 known), I may replace it.

D2 Hard to know why the marking was applied as you are correct, most overseas mail would have first gone to Brisbane for sorting, but the on ship scenario does make sense.

Marius
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-22-07 at 17:10:25 PDT   Listings
Jay, thanks, that only mentions Stacey & Lewis, it is the 1st. post of David X that needs to be checked as I am sure there are some comments on there that do not gel with his later comments,

David B.
Posted by jaywild   ( 953 ) on Jun-22-07 at 17:08:22 PDT   Listings
D2… This shows davidxflishman located in Israel signing up on June 11 of this year.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 953 ) on Jun-22-07 at 17:06:20 PDT   Listings
D2… I could only find the initial rantings of “Stacey”, here. Unfortunately when I go into the board archive it is set up in a way I don’t understand, and searches for davidxflishman turn up nothing.

Jim
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-22-07 at 16:12:22 PDT   Listings
lluehhb,

any chance of letting me see davidxflishman's 1st. post he made a few weeks ago,

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-22-07 at 16:11:55 PDT   Listings
PAOLO ---Thanks for the scan and info . interesting item.....paul
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-22-07 at 16:10:05 PDT   Listings
Jay, thanks, wonder what's going on,

David B.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 391 ) on Jun-22-07 at 16:09:47 PDT   Listings
oh dear, seems stephenxjohnnyxlewisxstaceyxdavid has a cult following and we got a wannabe stephenxjohnnyxlewisxstaceyxdavid
LIVING IN AMERICA !!!

Morning all! Stamp Show in Melbourne this weekend! :o)
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-22-07 at 16:02:24 PDT   Listings
Jim, seems he has decided to move over to your side:-)
Posted by jaywild   ( 953 ) on Jun-22-07 at 15:57:01 PDT   Listings
D2 & greenwave… David X is playing more games with us! The previous ID was FLISHMAN, this one is FILSHMAN.

First rule of identity assumption—know how to spell the alias you choose.

Jim
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-22-07 at 15:23:29 PDT   Listings
D2 that's a new user he only joined today!
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-22-07 at 15:19:17 PDT   Listings
davidx,

they are perfectly genuine and there are most probably great rarities on each and every page. If I was you I would bid at least $10,000 for that lot,

p.s. everyone else, please don't bid on it as it is a lot that deserves to go to DavidX,

David B.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-22-07 at 15:13:50 PDT   Listings
He never gives up!
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Jun-22-07 at 15:06:31 PDT   Listings
Phil...Even if it did have a spell checker it wouldn't have caught the use to (used to).
Posted by davidxfilshman   ( 0 )   on Jun-22-07 at 15:06:13 PDT   Listings
What do you think the likelihood of them http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280127529160 sending a pic of the rest of the pages?
Posted by davidxfilshman   ( 0 )   on Jun-22-07 at 15:04:35 PDT   Listings
What do you think the likelihood of them http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=280127529160 sending a pic of the rest of the pages?
Posted by philcomp   ( 982 ) on Jun-22-07 at 14:57:37 PDT   Listings
Didn't the chat board 'Post' facility use to have a 'spell check' option?
If it did, I wouldn't have sent my previous message with 'disatrous' instead of 'disastrous'.
Posted by philcomp   ( 982 ) on Jun-22-07 at 14:30:43 PDT   Listings
Recommendation: NEVER use USPS Priority Mail
I recently sent a USPS $8.95 Priority mail box from Boston to New Jersey (to a town near Newark where the USPS has a distribution center). It was sent on Jun 13 (before noon from a Boston post office) and arrived today (Jun 22)...a total of nine days! I tried to file a complaint with the USPS and was informed that they won't even accept a complaint unless the delivery took more than 14 days!
The USPS is falling apart! Delivery times have been climbing. 'Lost' mail is happening with increasing frequency. I have experienced both given the volume of mail that I send. I understand that the USPS is under stress due to the decrease in the volume of first class mail. An organization can respond to such stress either by cutting service and throwing up their hands and saying 'This is impossible' or it can focus on key performance and customer service values as a means of surviving. It seems to me that the USPS has adopted the first strategy and will find, to their dismay, that they are in a distatrous downward spiral.
Posted by malolo   ( 842 ) on Jun-22-07 at 14:14:31 PDT   Listings
jaywild -

I've had another loss from the same seller in Switzerland. This just didn't arrive. The previous loss was a finely slit envelope that went through the system. I have bought another items from the seller and we are going to make it very attractive to the thief, who we believe works in a Swiss post office! The first item was very rare and could be immediately identified if it ever came on the market. The problem is its common appearance.(:>(

Roger
Posted by jaywild   ( 953 ) on Jun-22-07 at 13:32:05 PDT   Listings
Roger… OK, understood.



dcderoo... If you mail anything to Newfoundland Canada count on it taking up to two months to get there. You could walk it there faster. Newfoundland postal workers put any US government goof-offs to shame with their insolent attitude toward their jobs. Certain parts of Germany are bedevilled by mail-theft gangs (sorry Rainer!) and I have had stuff pilfered coming from Frankfort. I have also heard that Singapore is risky, but have no direct experience myself.

In short, even very progressive countries can have problems with their mail service. Belgium is reputedly one of the worst.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 953 ) on Jun-22-07 at 13:14:53 PDT   Listings
Jeff S… Thanks. I saw both those lots and my eyes went wide. The underbidder on the 1½¢ Mt. Vernon is the author of the Prominent American usage book, Ron Blanks.

Jim
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Jun-22-07 at 12:01:24 PDT   Listings
MiniLindy
Great cover thanks for sharing.

DFTT = IMHO the only course of action.

Hope everyone is having as good a time in life as we are.
It is just now starting to get oppresively hot in the afternoons so that we are coming inside.
Will attempt some scans if I rememeber how have
not played with philatelic things for a few months.
But am happy to report that the Butterflies are hatching,
as are the tree frogs. and the snakes and birds have been a real entertainment so far this year.

Roger I'll also keep an eye on that razor wrapper
Posted by sayasan   ( 672 ) on Jun-22-07 at 11:39:59 PDT   Listings
Sorry, it's been a long day and a long week.
Posted by sayasan   ( 672 ) on Jun-22-07 at 11:38:09 PDT   Listings
Kathmandu



Manila



Bangkok

Posted by sayasan   ( 672 ) on Jun-22-07 at 11:35:45 PDT   Listings
Soddit. Hang on ...
Posted by sayasan   ( 672 ) on Jun-22-07 at 11:35:11 PDT   Listings
Oops, grrr. Sorry. Try again ...


Missent to Kathmandu


Missent to Manila


Missent to Bangkok and Brunei Darussalan

Posted by sayasan   ( 672 ) on Jun-22-07 at 11:29:14 PDT   Listings
I'm not too sure why I'm doing this, but ....

To Myanmar, missent to Kathmandu.

Missent to Manila.

Missent to Bangkok and missent to Brunei Darussalan.

What have all these places in common? They are all in South East Asia, none too far from Myanmar, and therefore all candidates for mis-sorting of this kind. None of these covers has been misaddressed or returned. All took an accidental detour and are marked to indicate this.

Davidx - just give up, please.

Richard W.

Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3683 ) on Jun-22-07 at 11:21:49 PDT   Listings
JW Congrats on your 2 nice Liberty issue 3rd class buys. I am too broke this weekend to have chased them seriously.

Am on I-35 south to a stamp get-to-gether in Houston Sturday. Stopping at Schlotzsky's where they have sandwiches I like and internet.

Jeff

Posted by malolo   ( 842 ) on Jun-22-07 at 10:48:37 PDT   Listings
Knud-Erik -
I have that on my watch list. Haven't decided whether to bid or not.

jaywild -
I look at everything that falls into my area of collecting, including by city names, year, or intuition! In those viewings I sometimes find items to forward to others, but only if I figure their own searches would not pick up the item. Most of the time I email hidden finds to people so they can evaluate the eBay auction. If they acknowledge my information, fine, if they don't it's also OK. I'm just passing out information about auctions. Usually the items would never be found in searches by those collectors, as the covers are not described in any way other than see scan, or a very generic title.

If nomad wants to link to the auction, he can. If he's bidding on the item he probably won't until after the auction closes. )'>)

Roger



Roger
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-22-07 at 09:39:02 PDT   Listings
Jaywild
As part of Lewis Kahn's appeal-he sent his South African ID Document and Passport with a picture to Ebay.In order for Stacey and I to become members of Ebay we both needed to register our credit cards in our own names.There are at least 4 people involved in the absurd suspension of Lewis after he had been a seller for less than 8 days. and I reiterate theat the Fleishmans spelt rightly or wrongly have no asssociation whatsoever to Stephen Darori and family.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1667 ) on Jun-22-07 at 09:20:01 PDT   Listings
Well, once again an auction goes bad.
Got my fourth "Not Received" dispute.
The countries involved have been:
Canada (got negative feedback BUT no dispute filed; I think he got the items sent Registered but was too quick on the feedback trigger; Canadian PO is often slow)
US (got positive f/b; item was insured so no $ loss)
Germany (got positive f/b; item was inexpensive so I just did a refund)
Singapore (got negative feedback; dispute filed but I won; I had all the documentation)

I don't sell enough yet. One negative is significant in my f/b.
But all these places supposedly have reliable PO's.
I can cover myself in the US, but there is no PayPal affordable tracking to non-US locations (I lucked out in the Singapore situation.)
Registration to a non-US location is $10.10. That also puts a "steal me" flag on it as does a Customs Form.

Just going to have to restrict my auctions to the US.
It's not worth the grief to include non-US locations.

Posted by vonbag   ( 174 ) on Jun-22-07 at 09:16:35 PDT   Listings
I have the manual for the "Safe T2 signoscope" in various languages, English included.
The instrument, based on the diffraction of the light and on the principle that the watermark is an area where the paper is thinner, bears a very simple electric part: a switch (quite rudimental) and an incandescence light.
Since the instructions are short, I translated it in Italian for a friend of mine on the eBay.it stamp forum.

The parts with the watermark, a grill, a small irregularity in the paper such as a well executed reparation, will show darker.
I hardly ever use it as I often can detect it with the naked eye.

A stamp with a hinge, some paper on reverse, or else, will not pass the test, at least not easily.

Pass
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jun-22-07 at 06:55:36 PDT   Listings
Jacob11379 one way manufacturers protect the exclusivity of their distribution channel is to limit distribution of manuals in foreign languages. Signoscope is made in Germany so English is foreign. This way the costs of marketing and other efforts of the middleman distributor is protected. I see many sellers of Signoscope offering manuals in English. Perhaps you bypasssed the distributor and bought yours from an unauthorized channel for your location.

Perhaps someone can provide an English manual outside the channel.
Posted by jacob11379   ( 134 ) on Jun-22-07 at 06:25:46 PDT   Listings
morning,
just recieved a signoscope T1 last night, thought "GREAT" for all that money this thing should be a dream, and if some wonderful person could share a link that is printed in english id be on my way to finding out that its probably alot harder than it appears. can anybody share this info? it would be greatly appreciated...
Posted by iomoon   ( 1052 ) on Jun-22-07 at 06:10:15 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

"Beating a dead horse" is an idiom which means a particular request or line of conversation is already foreclosed, mooted, or otherwise resolved, and any attempt to continue it is futile. In British English, the phrase is usually rendered as "flogging a dead horse."
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3683 ) on Jun-22-07 at 05:55:21 PDT   Listings

Morning all...

It's one thing to be driving down the road, notice a dead dog at the side, be repulsed.

It is entirely another thing to turn around and go back for another look,

and another look,

and another . . .

Posted by jaywild   ( 953 ) on Jun-22-07 at 05:16:21 PDT   Listings
Roger H & nomad55… You have intrigued me with a reference to a third-class cover that Roger sent a scan of to nomad. Can you share a link so we can all see? Inquiring minds want to know…

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 953 ) on Jun-22-07 at 05:13:49 PDT   Listings
David X… Only someone completely divorced from reality would keep insisting—

1. That sending a cover off to an address known to be invalid would result in its being returned marked MISSENT.

2. That Jonathan Dean is a real person. Since Stephen Darori endorsed the checks sent to jonathandean8 it’s not too hard to conclude that Jonathan Dean does not exist, neither does “he” have an aunt, and there is no Lewis X. Kahn, nor Stacey, nor David X. “Flishman”.

You’re flishing off the wrong pier.

Jim
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1353 ) on Jun-22-07 at 05:12:02 PDT   Listings
Bookmark
Posted by knuden   ( 2288 ) on Jun-22-07 at 04:02:42 PDT   Listings
Malolo - Hi Roger. Is this something for you?

K.E   I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!


Posted by mini*lindy   ( 391 ) on Jun-22-07 at 02:57:19 PDT   Listings
ok as the bishop said to the actress..


Ive shown my Malaysia, show me yours !


Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-22-07 at 01:40:48 PDT   Listings
Sorry if if it confused you. Two of Iremember correctly are grey/black and one is purple -Missent to Mayalsia straightline -no receiving date.
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-22-07 at 01:33:06 PDT   Listings
Yes I sent about 10 to the mmajor towns three came back from Maylaysia all in English.
Posted by malolo   ( 842 ) on Jun-22-07 at 01:11:38 PDT   Listings
David -
I've not partaken in the previous discussions becasue I'm not a collector of supplementary markings. But what you wrote belwo has me intrigued. Is ther any way you can post a link to a scan of you cover(s) I assume you have more than two as you say the mark is "black/grey or purple". My choice of colors, or they can be made to order!

Roger
Posted by malolo   ( 842 ) on Jun-22-07 at 01:08:02 PDT   Listings
Lindy -
Please, stop clowning around! Your post (mis)sent me into laughter as I visualized an English clerk asking his fellows,
"Where's Streylia?"
Friend replies: "Near Singapore".
Clerk: "No, I don't sing poor, I'm askin 'bout Down Under."
Friend: "Well, in that case, mate, you stuff it in with anything else go'in east."
Clerk: "Done. Now 'bout me sing'in?"

Roger
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-22-07 at 01:04:20 PDT   Listings
Linda
The 2007 Missent to Malaysia is simple a straight line black/grey or purple MISSENT TO MALAYSIA. Sorry no date
Posted by billsey   ( 847 ) on Jun-21-07 at 23:51:35 PDT   Listings
Lynn, CYE re: OSS.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 391 ) on Jun-21-07 at 23:40:25 PDT   Listings
now this is my most 'modern' MISSENT TO... cover 1991 from London to Australia, missent to Malaysia, and although they handle millions of items a day in Malaysia they still managed a handstamp with 1992 date before onforwarding to Melbourne...:o)

Posted by mini*lindy   ( 391 ) on Jun-21-07 at 23:34:30 PDT   Listings
ok so... D is for.. Mr Dixon, landscape gardener of Putney. Here is his illustrated envelope which is a DOUBLE D, as it also has postage DUE!
Addressed to France, returned, 2 countries Postage Dues. A cracker of a cover according to Vic!

Posted by antonius-ra   ( 633 ) on Jun-21-07 at 23:28:31 PDT   Listings
Io Surely you know that the (added) last for digits in the zip code designate your exact address. It is for the carrier sequence bar code sorting machines to use in sequencing the carriers mail for them. In the case of P.O. boxes it is the box number proceeded by zeros if the box number is less than four digits. As far as return address are concerned there is really no need to put anything other than the zip+4 and should also work just fine for the addressee (of course it does not name the person at the address)
Posted by malolo   ( 842 ) on Jun-21-07 at 21:26:53 PDT   Listings
David B -
I finally stumped you. I read somewhere that camels were used to Alice Springs, then the cover would have gone by train to Adelaide, then onto the ship again for Sinney and points north. );>)

Seriously - My Zumstein shows weight class for the period at 15gm increments thus 50 gm would be 4th weight = 1Fr. If I'm reading the chart correctly, Australia joined UPU in 1891 so this would have been a pre-UPU cover.

Marius - Just for the record my other reference "Swiss Letter Mail to Foreign Countries" by Schäfer lists no pre-UPU (1875) for Sitting Helvetia to Queensland and a unique example after UPU (no description, or date but assume 1875). If one tracks through to Standing Helvetia and Numeral issues there are fewer than 5 examples to Queensland. If you ever sell the cover, my recommendation is that it go to Switzerland. I have used Roelli Auctions twice successfully. They have an annual auction every February with items in their hands in November. Then again, there is something fishy about the rate so if you ever want to send it up here to Hawaii, I'll find a use for it~! )'>)

I found a page from Harlan Stone's "Switzerland 1862-1883 The Perforated Sitting Helvetia (2005 APS Champion of Chanpions Winner) showing rates and explanation of the red 50 on the New Zealand cover. You must look, I'm making this a research project.
http://www.swiss-stamps.us/Exhibits/Ex4/Ex004.131.html

Thanks for showing a very interesting, special cover.

Paolo - Nice pair. It always gets me looking at my examples when I see someone post about Switzerland, which is the great aspect of this Board.

Nomad - I thought it looked clean, maybe I've finally helped a US cancel collector. Another benefit of this venue.

Roger

Posted by nomad55   ( 899 ) on Jun-21-07 at 20:18:46 PDT   Listings
Good evening Roger.

Rec'd your email. That's a most interesting usage, and completely legitimate - third class mailing.

I gotta think about it, and also check if I already have a similar type cover from LA.

Posted by thebriguy1   ( 64 ) on Jun-21-07 at 20:13:30 PDT   Listings
Hmmm. Interesting.

I return after weeks of absence, only to find our pinhead forger has returned. Oh well, job security for EBay's NARU department I suppose.

I just fear I may be attracting these clowns.

I mean perfectly nice covers seem to start foxing once I buy them. Faultless stamps end up mysteriously creased. Tongs, magnifiers, and all kinds of assorted supplies disappear into a fourth dimensional black hole - sometimes minutes after I purchase them. I seem to be a magnet for ill philatelic winds.

So.....who wants to go golfing in the rain? don't worry, I'm the tall one. :o)
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-21-07 at 19:56:49 PDT   Listings
Marius, thinking about it now I presume the mail was sorted at the Ship Mail Room office which would have been in the GPO somewhere and then sorted for the different offices but ended up in the GPO bag for local delivery where the handstamp was applied. It would have only delayed the mail by a day or so,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-21-07 at 19:28:23 PDT   Listings
Roger, what overland route, new one to me, it would have arrived at either Melbourne or Sydney presumably bagged for Brisbane and forwarded by rail to Brisbane from there and then sorted for the various Queensland Post Offices.

I thought the 50 mss. might be for 50 grammes which could have been applied by the sender not the Swiss PO,

David B.
Posted by 19thcentpostal   ( 189 ) on Jun-21-07 at 19:25:03 PDT   Listings
billsey Thanks for looking at The Dalles cancel. As far as going to the meeting I will have to see how I am getting around on my knee next week. Thank you for the invite though. BTW, do you know if my membership to the OSS was approved? I sent one in in late May. Lynn
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-21-07 at 19:02:12 PDT   Listings
duncan_doenitz
You are splitting hairs especially in in the current modern day and age and even on pre-1950 missent envelopes with missent hand stamps on them that have been redirected with an auxiliary handstamp where possible at a surcharge of largely 2c incorporated in auxiliary redirected handstamp but very.very few have a second date.
Posted by malolo   ( 842 ) on Jun-21-07 at 18:57:30 PDT   Listings
David -

Maybe it was supposed to take the "Overland Route via Perth", thus never transiting Brisbane.

I'm intrigued by the "50" marking. This first looked like a triple weight letter which should have had a "3" in crayon. My guess is that the sender placed a 25 centimes stamp which would have been typical for international UPU letters, only to discover Australia was not covered within those rates. The clerk wrote "50" to confirm the non-UPU rate of 75 centimes. Is this correct?

Roger
Posted by dbenson   ( 8342 ) on Jun-21-07 at 18:26:08 PDT   Listings
Marius,

I am slightly intrigued on your Swiss cover to St. Lawrence, Queensland with a Missent to Brisbane handstamp. Presumably all inwards mail to Queensland from Europe would have been routed via Brisbane for sorting to the destination office. It seems strange that it received a Missent mark as that would have been the normal way it was handled unless of course mail from Europe was presorted to the various areas of Queensland on the ship but that seems unlikely,

David B.
Posted by duncan_doenitz   ( 120 ) on Jun-21-07 at 18:23:14 PDT   Listings
Stephen Darori / jonathandean8 / staceyxfleishman / davidxfliishman, you are apparently confused about two different terms, MISSENT and MISDIRECTED.

As others have already clearly explained, MISSENT mail is the result of a mistake in routing at the Post Office, and there is nothing you or anyone else can do to cause such mistakes.

When you (in whatever identity you choose) try to MISDIRECT mail, for example by applying a phony address, that is simply not the same thing at all, a very basic fact that you are intent on denying. Your denials however simply do not change the truth.

MISDIRECTION is also a tool of magicians, to distract an audience. Your blatant attempts at misdirection here on this bulletin board are not at all effective.

That becomes painfully obvious when one considers that the jd8 items have been clearly proved to be fakes, so everything else - everything else - is all smoke and mirrors. Quite pathetic, really.

Your house of cards has long ago collapsed, so why carry on the pretense? Just because you failed to understand the nature of MISSENT mail is no reason to carry on endlessly. So you probably added far too many MISSENT markings to too many cheap, common covers in an attempt to make them appear valuable, and ruined them in the process. So what? Get over it.

The huge volume of lies and BS spread by jd8 in an attempt to make the phony creations appear genuine have, in the end destroyed any credibility in your pleas, they are futile and a complete waste, and it is foolish to argue an obviously lost case.

Furthermore, why should we believe ANY of your grand tales, given the earlier history of deception?

I, on the other hand, am a genuine troll. And I live under a bridge. Didn't you see the sign?

"DON'T FEED THE TROLLS."

Dunc
Posted by jaywild   ( 953 ) on Jun-21-07 at 17:41:33 PDT   Listings
Lindy… I thought you were going to say stephenwhatshisname doesn’t know his *** from his *****.



Jim
Posted by vonbag   ( 174 ) on Jun-21-07 at 16:35:41 PDT   Listings
As promised to Paul and Roger some time ago,
here is a vertical pair of Swiss Postage due stamps,
in which the stamp at top has the frame type I inverted (R.T.IIK) and the one at bottom has frame type II upright (R.T.IN). I also found some other combinations.

Bill B.,
I received your e-mail. Will reply ASAP with the info. i can give.

Best,
Paolo


Posted by cmarsha   ( 953 ) on Jun-21-07 at 16:29:59 PDT   Listings
mini*lindy-
Thanks for your response to my posting re 300123173273.
I got a reply from the seller with an attachment so 'you can see how nice the pages are.' Its Bill Steiner's web pages. Not one word to address why they show Lindner hingeless albums in the illustration.
I think I am going to forward this along wth the attachment to Bill and let him decide what to do, he my have authorized them to sell these but I sort of doubt it.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1052 ) on Jun-21-07 at 15:45:57 PDT   Listings
Ok so Brindisi/Brisbane
New South Wales/ North Wales.
Postal workers are too tired to read anymore.
Gone are the days of Joe Smith, Islington, London.
Mow we have 5-4-2 zip codes and the PO still can't figure out the first 5.
Is this too hard?
79830 = Alpine home delivery
79831 = Post Office Box
79832 = University
Why the second four digits exist is totally beyond me.
Why they need two more digits stretches the limits of credulity.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 389 ) on Jun-21-07 at 15:18:34 PDT   Listings
Marius Thank You!! oh and I love the comment on the 2nd page of your award winning exhibit.....

if mail was missent in error by the postal authorities then no redirection fee would apply



exactly what I was explaining back at 21:17:19 and 06:02:36

but as DB says, stephenwhatshisname, doesnt know a Missent from a re-directed. Of course, if he's only been studying 2000 covers for a few weeks its understandable, I guess. Once you have examined hundreds of thousand covers as you, db, or I have you get a better idea of what is what.

davidX. no need on a geography/social explanation on RSA for me thank you, I lived their long enough in the 1970s to know all that.

Linda
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-21-07 at 14:12:37 PDT   Listings
greenwave, it would have been by rail but it could have been via Canton or Shanghai.

I have been across the Trans Siberian in January from Nahodka which is the open port near Vladivostok then the overnight train to Khaborovsk, stayed overnight there which by coincidence was Mothers Day and the city had processions all day and night even though it was way below zero then across Siberia for 5 days to Irkutsk via Chita where the line from China joined. The trains ran no matter what the weather was,

David B.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-21-07 at 13:58:05 PDT   Listings
Jim Overnight flight from LHR but in daylight all the way in summer about 9 hours to PEK, stunning landscape the whole way, with a great view of the Great Wall at the end just before you hit the pollution fog bank that marks Beijing.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1052 ) on Jun-21-07 at 13:41:31 PDT   Listings
Peter

I'd forgotten you do the west to east route.
Probably a lot more interesting than endless hours over the Pacific, going the other way.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-21-07 at 13:31:22 PDT   Listings
Jim Nice one, yes hadn't thought of that:-) Although it must have been a fairly tough route through Siberia in the winter. I was plotting it just now on Google earth for fun, flown over that area many times on the way to Peking.
Posted by jaywild   ( 952 ) on Jun-21-07 at 13:24:39 PDT   Listings
David X I tried being nice, twice

SHUT THE **** UP

Jim
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-21-07 at 13:23:46 PDT   Listings
David Many thanks for the information, what was the route to Peking, boat to Canton and then rail to Peking?
Posted by jaywild   ( 952 ) on Jun-21-07 at 13:21:11 PDT   Listings
NOIP Heres a nifty little tag illustrating the parcel post surcharge that was in effect in the US for a while in the 1940s. The distance between Parsons Kansas and Louisiana Missouri is zone 3, and the charge for the first pound was 9, with one additional pound at 2, plus the 1 surcharge. Total 12.

This came all the way from Thailand, from a dealer named Allan Wichelman, a specialist and collector of Luxembourg postal history that Anne no doubt knows of.

Jim
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-21-07 at 13:19:08 PDT   Listings
whateveryournameis,

you appear to get MISSENT and unknown addressed mail mixed up. Missent mail is mail that is sent to the wrong Post Office for various reasons, usually because it was missorted into the wrong Post Office bag and upon arrival it was marked with a MISSENT handstamp and sent on it's merry way to the correct Post Office whether in the same country or elsewhere. It is not returned to sender.

Wrongly addressed mail can be marked by all sorts either in the Post Office or by the mail deliverer or even by the recipient of the letter who places it back in the mail stream. It should not receive a MISSENT handstamp,

David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1052 ) on Jun-21-07 at 13:14:05 PDT   Listings
Peter

I was going to be facetious, but D2> already posted a legit answer.
Difficult to see a ship going out of or into Vladivostok to Denmark.
Not much of a sea ice window!
Besides which the Russians were rather protective of their Naval Base (still are).
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-21-07 at 13:07:10 PDT   Listings
Greenwave, by train from Peking (Beijing) to Chita in Siberia, then across Siberia to Irkutsk then onto Moscow where the bags were sorted into destination areas,

David B.
Posted by stampmad   ( 1086 ) on Jun-21-07 at 12:40:52 PDT   Listings
Oh well, why not.....Missent to Brisbane covers

http://www.boomspeed.com/stampmad/Exhibits/f7p13.jpg

http://www.boomspeed.com/stampmad/Exhibits/f7p14.jpg

Marius
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-21-07 at 12:04:12 PDT   Listings
question with this D from Denmark. What was the route via Siberia, I have seen quite a number from Asia with this notation. Was this via ship to Vladivostok and then transiberian rail for example?


Peter


Posted by nomad55   ( 899 ) on Jun-21-07 at 12:04:07 PDT   Listings
To bloviate means "to speak pompously and excessively." It is commonly used with contempt to describe the behavior of politicians, academicians, or media "experts," sometimes called bloviators, who hold forth on subjects in an arrogant, tiresome way.

Some speculate that bloviate derives from adding a faux-Latin ending to the verb 'to blow' or boast, following a 19th-century fad of adding Latin-like affixes to ordinary words. However, others like William Safire claim that 'bloviate' comes from combining the words 'blow-hard' and 'deviation.'

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Seems appropriate for today, dontcha think?
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-21-07 at 11:32:31 PDT   Listings
DXXXXJD as Jim says use your loaf and put a sock in it. Your time would be better spent learning the basics of English grammar, perhaps then your posts might be more readable and bear less resemblance to a heap of horses turkish delight.
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-21-07 at 10:59:58 PDT   Listings
Billsey-Unfortunately what David Benson wants and what happens in today are two different things. Forwarded covers seldom if ever have a receiving date of the handstamp. On quite a few the cover was forwarded to an adjacent town but without the date stamp but with an auxiliary hand stamp. I sent more than 5 covers to Australia, UK (small villages) and New Zealand and these were largely forwardedespecially when I used a made up addresss of a road or street name.More ideas for the $20 collector.
Posted by sayasan   ( 662 ) on Jun-21-07 at 10:58:12 PDT   Listings
jd/Stephen - I'm getting bored with davidx. Can we have Stacey back, please? She was more fun.
Posted by billsey   ( 847 ) on Jun-21-07 at 10:49:15 PDT   Listings
David, Stephen, Johnathan or whatever, you seem to be confusing missent covers with covers addressed wrong. A cover that is forwarded because the recipient has moved or a cover returned as undeliverable is not a missent cover. A missent cover is typically properly addresses, it just ended up at the wrong place through some fault of the postal service. You can't easily generate these, they have to be created by mistakes at the PO. As David Benson mentioned earlier, missent marking are almost always done such that there's a date included, to tell the eventual receiver what happened.
Posted by wrd3   ( 100 ) on Jun-21-07 at 10:42:44 PDT   Listings
iomoon geologic mystery?.

Bill D.
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-21-07 at 10:04:35 PDT   Listings
Jim
I am the first person this week to clear up whole subject and in correct statementrs and base them not on unwritten catalogues but on a real bargain of a buy on Ebay. You . Limda and David all made incorrect statements since no catalogue exists yet and we are waiting for the Jum Drummand one to appear. His newsletter is in the Hess Street Philatelic Library and is an eye opener.I, a novice can I call myself, philatelist corrected you. There are hundreds who follow this Chat Board -=only a handfull who participate -in fear of been intimidated.What you are trying to do to me now. I went one step further earlier and suggested that readers spend well it was more than a dime about $20 and send 5 torn underfranked envelopes to wrong addresses of the 220 or so postal authorities, if you include Heard Island, Rhodes and Crete etc. Send 5 enve;opes to the capital abd 4 smaller towns and see what you get back. Don't forget your address at the back. Who knows. May be some out there reading this will do it and write an award winning catalogue. He or she is certain to get access perhaps to the massive 4 or 5 decades of "Netanya Covers" raw material-contemporary return to sender covers if JD8 ramblimgs are correct sent from 30 or more different contries in their thousands each year .But he appears to have got so pissed offf -he may well tell you to go and take a hike.His email is in his tramblings -he repeated it a number of times-whether he monitors this account or not is doubtful.
Posted by jaywild   ( 952 ) on Jun-21-07 at 07:57:58 PDT   Listings
David X Pretty please put a sock in it. Simon Says put a sock in it.

?

Jim
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-21-07 at 07:37:26 PDT   Listings
David Benson-I think I am talking your advice and reading specialized catalogues cover to cover and have discoverred an excellent philatic library in Hess Street in Tel Aviv. Beeing a book shop owner gives one plenty of time to read and I am only there as I seem over qualified for Israel (even if my home language is Afrikaans not English). I was raised in Koffiefontein in the Orange Free State where my father at a wholesale stall and his father before him. The only Jew, and went to Afrikaans schools and universities during the period South Africa was segregated.Not only were they segregated by race but also by language. So there was English and Afrikaans Universities. The medium of instruction in "coloured" universities (one)was Afrikaans and Indian and Black it was English.If my English is bad or poor that is my little secret-English is not my home language.To Lindy.There are literally hundreds of US redirected covers taxed 2c to 111/2 c including magazine labels magazine labels in the massive lot we bought.All were taxed it appears that they were redirected and are accompanied by an auxiliary handstamp.The surcharge in many cases is part of the redirected handstamp so there is no arguement why the cover was surcharged.Largely 2c , one or two 11/2 , then 31/2 and others randomly-not mainy. So much for the UPU unless it is a new regulation. Since I am given you reality based on the nearly 2000 covers we bought -all missent or undelivered, I can of course shut up (Jaywild) or put Linda on a right career path.I must work out how photobucket works and will post a dozen or so covers.I certainly do not want to offend three leading members of this chat Board but I received the two purchases we made today and it throws a completely different light on the statesments made by Linda, Jaywild (Jim?-may I ) and David Benson probably the most knowledgable .I recommend that anyone wanting a crash course in philately look at the back issues of this site along with otheres on the Internet referred to by members of this Chat Board.It is enlightening and very educational especially if you do it 14 hours a day for the better part of 6 months.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 389 ) on Jun-21-07 at 06:02:36 PDT   Listings
yawn!!!

oh, and according the UPU regulations missent mail cannot be Taxed with Postage Due

D2-Im seeing a lot of the international dealers from the Sydney Show down here in Melbourne this weekend at the APTA show. One of the old South African Dealer friends of Vic's, who worked with us at SG will be there too, he phoned tonight to make a time to catch up. Going to be a good weekend I think

Jim, unfortunately in the 5 or so years I have worked as a volunteer at the Thrift, not one decent stamp lot has come in the door. I think families these days know enough to take stamps and postcards to the Auction houses (we have 3 large philatelic auction houses here, spoilt for choice!).


:o)
Posted by richintalent   ( 129 ) on Jun-21-07 at 05:33:15 PDT   Listings
In a box of postal paraphernalia I came across a near mint copy of Linns Stamp News from 1932- would this be worth anything [going to read it and toss it if it isn't]?
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1352 ) on Jun-21-07 at 05:08:27 PDT   Listings
Bookmark
Posted by iomoon   ( 1052 ) on Jun-21-07 at 05:06:50 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

Killing three birds with one rock, so to speak.

One for DC.
Must be one of the earliest stamped "missent's" I've seen.
Mark needs to use his spell checker.
Posted by jaywild   ( 952 ) on Jun-21-07 at 05:05:08 PDT   Listings
ugotta My apologies then. I misunderstood your intent. You have been a thoughtful participant, and good luck with your brick and mortar store.

David X Nevershutsup... Please, put a sock in it.

Jim
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-21-07 at 04:37:13 PDT   Listings
david or whatever name you wish to be called, stephen, johnathan or whatever,

for someone who a few weeks ago mentioned tht he knew zip about stamps and/or postal history you seemed to have gained a lot of knowledge about Missent markings in the interim. You mentioned that you only came to this chat board because your wife was distressed about comments about her invalid father and that we were cruel to him. However you are not doing her cause any good by continuing to discuss Missent markings as it seems very similar to the diatribes that we heard from both of the Narued members,
Hope you will soon use up your 10 posts as soon as possible and then it will be peaceful here again,

David B.
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-21-07 at 03:59:17 PDT   Listings
Linda. I would had to disillusion you Jaywild, David Benson and others came up with the idea that a missent cover has a receiving date . Having now gone through about 300 covers all redirected or mail that could not be directed. Well over 95% of US covers (pre 1950) do not have a second receiving date on them when they were directed, or missent initially.The Missent is generally just to a Missent,Town and in a variety of very small fonts. These do not all have a Redirected Auxiliary Handstamp and very, very,very few have a second receiving date . I have no idea where David came up with the idea that a "true" missent cover to places 1 in 100 Americans have heard of has a receiving date. It does not. Even where the address has been changed by hand the number of additional new receiving date at the new changed address is very insignificant.Pity you did not buy this lot.It would be great research material for the "modern philatelic historian"
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-21-07 at 03:16:04 PDT   Listings
Linda
You can start your new career with a question to thye Auxiliary Marking Club what % of missent and auxiliary NO SUCH NUMBER etc markings are accompanied by a date stamp. Don't be disappointed if the % is very low.
Posted by sammlermax1   ( 882 ) on Jun-21-07 at 02:20:12 PDT   Listings
Hello mini*lindy,
with us it is very warm and stormy.
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-21-07 at 01:24:44 PDT   Listings
Linda
THE WOULD BE MODERN POSTAL HISTORIAN !!

You would have to have a far more open mind for that title.Even tiny Israel sorts 500,000 postal articles a day. London is said to be 50 million and Flushing 120 million. Staggering figure but most US States aren't far behind. What David Benson suggest is the ideal situation.If you tear the envelope-you probably will get more "personalised treatment" but the % 's simple are against getting a Missent with a date stamp. Try Malta as well and Iceland. I sent 5 to each of the 220 postal authorities with 10 agarot stamps and these have cove back so far with Missent. They are still trickling back at about 20 a week and no we will not be offereing these items on our auction. I was just curious whether there was any basis to JD*'s ramblings. There seems to be. Try it yourself
Posted by davidxflishman   ( 0 )   on Jun-21-07 at 01:16:53 PDT   Listings
inda
I don't know why you are so cut up abour MIssent Covers. In this sat and age of even small postal sorting stations you cannot expect a receiving date. If David Benson kept the images of the two covers aimed at him by JD8 to the Dominican Republic and Lyon , France the date the MISSENT in Engflish and French handstamp has not been applied. If you want to experiment on how easy it is to create Missent Covers todate witha Missent Handstamp-read JD8's ramblings.I tried and yes can confirm that Bermuda, Guyana, Jamaca and Ireland are really easy as is Bankgkok in Englishm Hongkong if you addresss it to aspecific address, New Zealand and Australia.Even the US is easy . Virtually every Postal code in Florida has a pick /mauve missent handstamp with the postal code.We recently one a very large collection of US pre1950 covers and amongst the covers are at least 100 tiny missent to various places , largely small by also a bit larger and two lines San Fransico, San Antonio and Los Angeles and the premise that their is a receiving date on the place which applied the missent h/s is not always true. 99% of the cases there is a Undelivered Auxiliary Marking and in 80% of the cases a surcharge of 2 to 11 and 1/2 cents. Sometimes you strike it lucky and a good 200 envelopes are pre 1950 APO and Free Frank envelopes. There are even 11 US "mourning covers " from 1908. What War was the US involved in round about that time.They were all sent from the US so it wasn't probably US soldiers in British Forces.JD8 is very clear on the Netanya Missent Covers and the ones subsequently sent from a Tel Aviv P.O.Box.There are 10's of thousand and probably hundreds in circulation.If you read the "Netanya Cover" article-they too don't always have a receiving date or a dateMissent h/s and other auxiliary h/s was appliedd. You seem preoccupied with Missent. Send $100 and send some out yourself unfranked, to dead addresses and torn and see what happenes.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 389 ) on Jun-20-07 at 23:43:20 PDT   Listings
Servos! Max
from a cold and damp Melbourne, Australia

Linda
Posted by billsey   ( 847 ) on Jun-20-07 at 22:35:26 PDT   Listings
Lynn, nice cancel from The Dalles. I can't help you much with history on the cancel, though if you show up at the OSS meeting next Tuesday there are liable to be a couple of people who can help (even if only to point you at the collector who does know). The Dalles itself was a pretty important town for much of the 19th century, since it was the portage point for goods traveling either up or down the Columbia and was also the land terminus for most of the Oregon Trail traffic. When they got to The Dalles, they loaded up into boats and didn't get out again until the Cascade Locks portage (though they weren't actually called Cascade Locks until the locks were installed). I think by 1900 or so the big money people were moving out of the transport industry and into lumber, at least all the higher end houses we've looked at recently that were built in the 1880-1920 time frame were built for lumber barons... This was primarily due to the railroads getting through, so much less material had to be offloaded in The Dalles.
Posted by sammlermax1   ( 882 ) on Jun-20-07 at 22:32:18 PDT   Listings
Good morning all from the wonderful Austrian Country.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-20-07 at 22:20:47 PDT   Listings
Linda,

right on, unless a MISSENT cover has a dated cancel which was applied to show the reason for the delay then it should be presumed to be fake, especially in this Ebay age,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-20-07 at 22:19:17 PDT   Listings
claghorn,

I can't ever remember those being sold in miniature sheets before, only singles and an occasional use on cover.

David B.
Posted by ugottabidda   ( 428 ) on Jun-20-07 at 21:51:50 PDT   Listings
Jay..I was SERIOUSLY thanking the board..did you just "turn" on me? I'm not going to drop a bankroll. Nor am I going to appeal to seasoned collectors with this stuff..just the "masses" who need to buy "anything interesting". That's all.
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 468 ) on Jun-20-07 at 21:42:24 PDT   Listings
If you really want to know... pack your stuff and bring it to a neutral dealer within your driving distance. See what you would get for it. It might bring your feet back to earth. Or, maybe you've done very well, and you should keep investing.
It doesn't hurt to find out!
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jun-20-07 at 21:40:07 PDT   Listings
D2 Wow. too bad for the seller that there were no more other bidders
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jun-20-07 at 21:38:22 PDT   Listings
D2 Someone had a party. Ebay seems a great place to sell.
Posted by jaywild   ( 952 ) on Jun-20-07 at 21:38:03 PDT   Listings
ugotta Im guessing that your post was meant to be ironic. What you got here was very good advice, and it is up to you whether or not to wish to make use of it.

It is still hard for me to see how you can extrapolate an investing strategy based on the sale of some Spiderman comic books that netted you a few dollars. By all means, buy the 2 stamps if you think thats a good place to put your money. Uncle Sam needs the money, even at 40 a pop.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 952 ) on Jun-20-07 at 21:31:27 PDT   Listings
NOIP Also have this to show, a portion of the wrapping for an international air parcel post package sent to Great Britain in 1949. Anthony Wawrukiewicz says they are few and far betweenanyone else have an example in his/her collection?

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 952 ) on Jun-20-07 at 21:27:29 PDT   Listings
Thank you Miss Lindy for illuminating that subject. I dont normally encounter covers like that in my buying, so it is useful to know.

Do they sell postcards and covers in your jumble shop?

?

Jim
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 389 ) on Jun-20-07 at 21:24:53 PDT   Listings
cmarsha what is also interesting is that seller has sold various ONE COUNTRY eBook CATALOGUES on ebay too.. wondering which Catalogue Company he ripped off on that one?
L.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 389 ) on Jun-20-07 at 21:17:19 PDT   Listings
JayJIM THANK YOU!! you have perfectly illustrated what I tried to explain to stephen datori/johnnydean/stacey/david and all the other little happy stampers of fake covers. You cannot 'contrive' a MISSENT TO....
It is ONLY applied to mail from point A to destination B which somehow (usually through missorting, or sticking slightly to cover in front of it), ends up at a point C. At POINT C it must be handstamped as MISSENT... Datestamped, and returned to the mail system to onforward to the original destination B. The sender, at point A will never see it again, and will not have it to keep for 50yrs and then offer on ebay! (haha)
no other mail should have a MISSENT TO... Handstamp, if it is incorrectly addressed (as many of johnnydeans suposedly were), the handstamp applied would be UNKNOWN AT... // or NO SUCH STREET/BOX/ etc....
a letter to Mrs S.Datori at a ficticious address in Guatemala or St Vincent or Fiji would have an UNKNOWN AT / RETURN TO SENDER handstamp never ever, a MISSENT TO....

Linda..

THE WOULD BE MODERN POSTAL HISTORIAN !!
Posted by dragonstamps   ( 468 ) on Jun-20-07 at 21:05:13 PDT   Listings
Ugottabidda:

My older brother "read" comic books from I'd say 1965-1975. He sold the books a few years ago for a huge profit.

I bought/got baseball cards from 1965 to 1972 or so, and sold the whole shebang for some serious $$$. Not many collectors from that time there as I recall...

My point is that if you are in the right collecting place at the right time, it's a bonanza. If you are saving what everyone else is... please treat it as a hobby, not as an investment.
Posted by ugottabidda   ( 428 ) on Jun-20-07 at 20:07:30 PDT   Listings
Oh..before I forget..The Spiderman comics I spoke of..they were not OLD(65 centers vintage), mostly 75-$1.25 era...14-31 years of age...and NO GREAT SHAKES either. The venerable "collectors" were scoffing at my "audacity"..saying I could never realize that for "commons". I am situated in a rural, brick and mortar antiques/collectibles shop. These were'nt collectors who bought..they were general 8-80,just fascinated or who bought on spec. All I'm saying is..if I put these 2 cent sheets on atop a turgid board and put them in a protective plastic case...eventually..they would get gobbled up(once they were no longer available). even better..put in a matted frame...the "wall art" would go for $20. About 500 new people a month pass through my place..many with children. The child's goal.....SPEND THAT MONEY BEFORE IT BURNS A HOLE!
Posted by ugottabidda   ( 428 ) on Jun-20-07 at 19:55:52 PDT   Listings
I commend ALL of the posters, replying to my query. Never, in discussion board/chat history, have I received such thoughtful and civil advice. Usually, I find derisive comments posted...on other boards..when they are in disagreement. The answers found here....mirrored a dialogue..not ranting monologue..PS. Keep USING those 2 cent Navajo jewelry stamps(glue 'em together and put them in the spokes of your bicycle tires...just like the Mickey Mantle rookie cards of olde...)
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jun-20-07 at 19:38:03 PDT   Listings
D2 I have an interest in Bateken and that is one of my searches. Other collectors also have an interest, as we see. Maybe I should sell mine?
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-20-07 at 19:30:23 PDT   Listings
claghorn, I can't understand listing it under " fakes & forgeries ", commonsense would have been to list it under Portugal which would have been seen by all prospective buyers. The title he used must have been noticed only by the bidders. How did you come across it,

David B.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jun-20-07 at 19:18:48 PDT   Listings
D2 Melville does not list the overprint and I have not seen one. That must be it. Perhaps a fantasy?
Posted by jaywild   ( 952 ) on Jun-20-07 at 19:13:52 PDT   Listings
NOIP I got a big package of covers yesterday, and in going through them I found a MAL ENCAMINADA A GUATEMALA item (Missent to Guatemala, here). Here is a closeup of the Guatemala cancel, dated 21 ENE (Jan).

The cover is addressed to England from the US. Howd it end up in Guatemala?

Jim
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1352 ) on Jun-20-07 at 19:13:44 PDT   Listings
bookmark
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-20-07 at 19:05:41 PDT   Listings
claghorn,

I can't remember seeing the overprint on that one before & have no idea of its value. I have one of the low values somewhere with a German Ship Mail cancel which looks OK. They are not common but I can't imagine why it realised that price,

David B.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jun-20-07 at 18:47:43 PDT   Listings
Soggy333 OK. Here is another one which defies reason. D2 What do you think about the final price?
Posted by cmarsha   ( 953 ) on Jun-20-07 at 18:33:10 PDT   Listings
This one looks interesting:

300123173273

This seller is listing a number of these digital download album pages, none of the listings show prospective bidders what the pages look like. Unless I am mistaken the ilustration is of a Lindner hingeless album, one of their top of the line ones. I sent them a query asking why they show a hingeless album in the listings. It'll be interesting to see the reply- if any. Seller is perhaps sending dowbnloads of Bill Steiner's pages, if so I hope with his permission.
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Posted by redsniper88   ( 9753 ) on Jun-20-07 at 17:56:55 PDT   Listings
Hi Paul, thanks for the compliment! Maybe I can sell them to you... ; )

Can't blame a girl for trying! Hope you have a great evening. I'll stop by this board every now and then to say hello - both you and David have been so helpful!
Posted by 19thcentpostal   ( 189 ) on Jun-20-07 at 17:24:36 PDT   Listings
Back to the ABC's...
D is for TheDalles,OR
If anyone knows anything about these, I would appreciate hearing about it. Lynn
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-20-07 at 17:23:41 PDT   Listings
LING---- Some of that stuff should be sold to novelty buyers maybe not stamp collectors ,but you seem to be a excellent marketer ,good luck ......off to look at a few Shell Gas Stations tonight for work this weekend maybe a all nighter start at 10 at night and finish at 6:00 am on Saturday and Sunday ,my guys like the extra bonus money for a all nighter .....paul
Posted by redsniper88   ( 9753 ) on Jun-20-07 at 17:17:02 PDT   Listings
Hi Paul...serious? I have several of these yearbooks. They were given to me along with some sheets of Marilyn Monroe stamps and Princess Diana wedding stamps. I really do not know anything about stamps but I do know I really appreciate your help and information :)

Ling
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-20-07 at 17:13:06 PDT   Listings
LING Those year books{issued by the post office } are sold to tourist and visitors for twenty dollars to fourty dollars ,there is not much demand in the secondary market.They would be more as a souvenir of a visit or something to bring home .....paul
Posted by redsniper88   ( 9753 ) on Jun-20-07 at 16:10:09 PDT   Listings
Hi David; thank you for the link. I found the exact set of stamps that I have but without the book. What a great link, thank you again!

Ling
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-20-07 at 16:01:13 PDT   Listings
redsnipe,

check this out, this will give you an idea of what it is worth,

http://www.xabusiness.com/china-stamp-year-books/d-1996.htm

David B.
Posted by redsniper88   ( 9753 ) on Jun-20-07 at 15:29:57 PDT   Listings
oops, my bad! I should have altered the images to make them smaller. sorry!
Posted by redsniper88   ( 9753 ) on Jun-20-07 at 15:26:34 PDT   Listings
Hi Stamps12345 - thanks for your help. I'm not sure how to load a picture...I will add my image link (would that work, ok?) The books are actually albums that a stamp collector would buy (I think) and then purchase the stamps as they are issued. Each page of the book has information on the stamps. Hope I'm explaining this correctly : ) The stamps are from the People's Republic of China - I have several albums and some booklets that have real stamps in them.



Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-20-07 at 14:59:52 PDT   Listings
REDSNIPER------Welcome .........First you say "stamp books" we are not sure what they are . They can be stockbooks ,yearbooks issued by the post office or some type of album . Can you scan a few and link a picture here .Prices on modern material is all over the place . Some of it is worthless stuff and some country new issues sell close to full catalog . My friend sells recent mint never higned material and he is getting very high prices many times over catalog ,lets see what you got.....paul
Posted by redsniper88   ( 9753 ) on Jun-20-07 at 14:43:53 PDT   Listings
Hello, I have just received several authentic stamp books that were made in the 1990's and filled with mint/pristine stamps. I was just wondering if I need to show a clear photo of every single stamp (there are many & all are protected by plastic). It will be difficult to take a good photo without glare :(

I am not familiar with selling stamps, but I do know these are authentic. Would anyone have any idea what the value can be on them? Each book has been painstakingly filled with stamps for the entire year.

Thank you :)
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-20-07 at 14:38:47 PDT   Listings
Linda,

I have been amused by their statement,

" Maintaining the Tradition "

I wonder if they will change that when the name is altered.

David B.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-20-07 at 14:35:56 PDT   Listings
Nice topic Mitch have to start digging....
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-20-07 at 14:34:18 PDT   Listings
That was weird, went to report the eBay violation post and it had already gone!
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-20-07 at 14:05:57 PDT   Listings
Linda, I am 100% sure that all the other auction houses in Australia will be glad of the name change as it will get rid of the unfair advantage that Gibbons Australia has been using in their advertising to promote themselves in acquiring material and estates from vendors who presumed it was the same company as in the UK.

IO,

I have to disagree with your sweeping comment about the prices in Gibbons catalogue, apart from QV & KEVII GB most 19th. Century material is either accurately priced if retail was assessed to about 50% for fine condition whilst poorer condition would only be a percentage of that whilst better than fine would be at more than 50% and even over full Gibbons catalogue. 20th. Century material would be at a higher percentage as condition is normally perfect and the catalogue value reflects that. Gibbons should go back to the old system with imperfs and catalogue a range of values from poor to perfect instead of the system they use now.

Great Britain QV & Edwards should also have a range of prices for the later issues allowing for cancellation variations.

David B.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 633 ) on Jun-20-07 at 12:48:41 PDT   Listings
E U S C
Ebay Users Stamp Club Meeting

For june 2007, will commence at 12:00 Midnight (ebay time) June 29th and end midnight July 1st<.

The meetings topic will focus on those unknown stamps every collector has. Everyone is invited to get out that envelope or small box with the big question mark on it, and share the unidentified stamps within.

Hopefully most can be identified by other members. I think it should prove to be an interesting an informative topic for all






Posted by iomoon   ( 1052 ) on Jun-20-07 at 11:07:38 PDT   Listings
Totally nonphilatelic, but something to read.
I came across this last night.
Something to search the attic for.
"A Treatise on the Geology of Armenia" by Felix Oswald.
Try a goggle search for now!
Posted by bjornmu   ( 932 ) on Jun-20-07 at 10:15:46 PDT   Listings
NOIP: anyone else here been plagued by massive auction catalogues from A. Karamitsos in Thessaloniki? I have received three shipments this year, two of them by DHL(!). Mostly Greek material, and the last batch was only from Greece, Balkan and the Middle East.

I bought a Greek item from a seller in Thessaloniki in January, I suppose he's the culprit. Grrrr.
Posted by mendelbrot   ( 45 ) on Jun-20-07 at 06:32:57 PDT   Listings
Greetings to you all

http://www.mendelbrot.net/mbegin/ME.htm
Michel
Posted by iomoon   ( 1052 ) on Jun-20-07 at 05:48:42 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

Don't expect to see many posts in the dog days of summer (in the northern hemisphere).

Linda

The last feeling that SG invokes in me is sadness.
Most of their catalogs have the stamps grossly overpriced.
Their only saving grace is that the catalogs, especially the specialized ones, are unparalled sources of information for mass-produced philatelic literature.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 389 ) on Jun-20-07 at 05:31:34 PDT   Listings
End of An Era. from the end of 2007 Stanley Gibbons Australia will cease trading under the Stanley Gibbons name.
SG has had a presence in Australia since 1979, although in recent years only as a Licenced Name holder.
The present Auction House will continue operating under the name MOWBRAY AUSTRALIA, with the current staff, so although it really is only a 'name change', it will be sad to see the familiar SG LOGO disappear from the Australian Philatelic Scene.

Linda
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1352 ) on Jun-20-07 at 03:30:31 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"

to you all



Jim L.

member
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-20-07 at 02:40:01 PDT   Listings
D1, do you mean short in stature or in temper or perhaps both,

David B.
Posted by de66   ( 1096 ) on Jun-20-07 at 02:24:56 PDT   Listings
D2

I still have to pick up my exhibits from the short judge up here so i will see my written critiques by the weekend.

D1
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-20-07 at 01:51:16 PDT   Listings
D1, our group didn't allocate any time, as long as it took. They all said that we gave the best critique they had ever received anywhere,

David B.
Posted by de66   ( 1096 ) on Jun-20-07 at 01:34:03 PDT   Listings
D2

Yes spoke to 2 of the judges in front of the frames, but as usual i was not impressed with the answers i got, both missed rare unrecorded material from both exhibits, infact one of them is doing a research paper on the beer duties and completly missed the unrecorded material i had in the exhibits both spoke of presentation [i got 4 out of 5 for both exhibits] when i mentioned where i could get the 1 point needed for LV i was told try 5 out of 5 for presentation. Maybe the 12 mins per exhibit given to the judge should be increased but then they should both know the material infront of them, especially the Canberra judge as one of the exhibits is his home state.

But in saying that it now lets me go straight to International with both so i can bypass the oz judges.

Mini: When i changed some of the text This page just came up by itself and nothing else other than to ask if i wanted to revise another lot.
D1



Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-19-07 at 23:13:06 PDT   Listings
D1, did you have a walk & talk around the exhibit with the judges during the critique session,

David B.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 389 ) on Jun-19-07 at 23:04:10 PDT   Listings
Dave that notice has been on ebay forever! When I was listing for cla (and thats going back about 5 yrs ago) it was always there.

L.
Posted by de66   ( 1096 ) on Jun-19-07 at 22:55:54 PDT   Listings
Thanks you to all who have taken the time to congratulate me on my 2 medals.

I am quite chuffed as both exhibits are new, and first time out

A bonus for me is that both achieved a Vermeil medal which gives me a 100 per exhibit thats 200 from the Revenue Society just for being a member! Yippee!!

D1
Posted by de66   ( 1096 ) on Jun-19-07 at 22:50:51 PDT   Listings
Just listed a few items and had this stuck in my face from Ebay:


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Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Jun-19-07 at 20:49:01 PDT   Listings
BEP printed its last stamp on 10 June, 2005. I have no idea which stamp it was.
Posted by jaywild   ( 952 ) on Jun-19-07 at 20:29:06 PDT   Listings
soggy & malolo Unfortunately, if any press printing current US stamps explodes and takes the plates with it, the USPS will say to the printer Too bad! You still are under contract to produce x million of those stamps, so youll just have to figure out how! If Im not mistaken all US stamps are now farmed to outside printers. BEP hasnt done stamps for at least ten years, I think.

Jim
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-19-07 at 19:46:10 PDT   Listings
Billsey,

it only mentions the dual perf. pairs on the 1 1/2d. and not for the 2d., 3d. & 6d. which are as you say line perf. 14. It may be noted somewhere else in CP about the 1 1/2d. value. They also mention the values that have dual perfs. and specifically mentions s.g. 416 & 431,

David B.

Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Jun-19-07 at 19:43:36 PDT   Listings
billsey...There's one heckuva college World Series going on, maybe that's the problem.

Any luck with the Yellow Boxes?
Posted by djs127   ( 592 ) on Jun-19-07 at 19:17:21 PDT   Listings
soggy333 Glad you got all your covers back.
Good luck selling them. Hope my identification of the more expensive ones helped.
David Snyder
Posted by billsey   ( 847 ) on Jun-19-07 at 19:05:49 PDT   Listings
David, re the SG info on that NZ 1d recess KGV... C-P says the pictorial paper versions were all line perfed 14. The normal Cowan paper is the one that's available in the dual perf pairs. I can see there being a separate number for the no watermark version, and possibly for the no watermark in pair with a watermarked one, but there's no way that any could also be dual perf pairs, or perfed either 13x14 or 14x14. I didn't remember SG being so far off when I was using them to sanity check my pages. :-(
Posted by billsey   ( 847 ) on Jun-19-07 at 18:59:17 PDT   Listings
Wow, have there really only been the three posts (including this one) for the last ten hours? Must be a nice day out there! :-)
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 389 ) on Jun-19-07 at 15:36:31 PDT   Listings
dcderoo Thanks that was interesting story, about a program I'm sure many of us watch. Here in Aussie we tend to get more of the UK A.R. and it's always interesting to see what folk have. They did a tour of Australia a couple of years ago, unfortunately, just when my husband was very ill and I could not attend. Their 2 days in Melbourne were also the coldest days for something like 15 years !!
USA A.R. is sometimes shown here on cable TV and I noticed how different the types of things they show are to the English shows.
Linda
Posted by jaywild   ( 952 ) on Jun-19-07 at 13:27:12 PDT   Listings
D1 (de66) Please accept my belated congratulations on your show medals!!

dcderoo... Interesting! Thanks for filling us in.

Jim
Posted by 19thcentpostal   ( 189 ) on Jun-19-07 at 08:36:38 PDT   Listings
dcderoo Thank you for the 'blow by blow'. I was always curious how that show operated. Sounds like a fun way to spend the day. Did you get into the 'feedback room'? Lynn
Posted by mendelbrot   ( 45 ) on Jun-19-07 at 08:26:20 PDT   Listings
Greetings to you all

http://www.mendelbrot.net/mbegin/ME.htm
Michel
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1665 ) on Jun-19-07 at 07:51:01 PDT   Listings
Antiques Roadshow after action report.
Possibly more than you wanted to know, but I want to cover all levels of interest.

Tickets are free, two to a family who reside close (50 miles?) to the host city, Baltimore, MD, in this case.
Tickets were for specific times, in our case arrive no earlier than 12:30 for a 1:00 entry.
It was held in the Baltimore Convention Center.

We arrived slightly after 12:30 and were about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way back in the holding area for our group.
Our group started to move up just before 1:00.
Their projected rate of progress was 500 evaluations per hour.

We reached the sorting tables probably about 1:30/2:00 (forgot to look at my watch.)
My wife got tags for two different evaluation tables, dolls and needlework.
I got one tag for militaria.

We were out of there, stopped for lunch and were home by about 3:45.

The Antiques Roadshow people really have it down pat.

Heres the bottom line on our items:
My wifes dolls (two) Japanese, about 100 years old and were gifts when a person attended a Japanese stage production back then.
Value About $30-40 each

My wifes needle work (embroidery) - American, about 100 years old, non-commercial.
Value - $200-300

My group of WWI items tracing great uncles RCAF/RAF flying career
Not surprisingly there was variable interest depending on the item.
- The graduation picture (large; 38 x 10 inches) was not even looked at.
- The RAF commission was important linking the group as a whole but individually of less interest.
- The flight log was of interest because of individual entries.
- The two photo albums were quickly scanned with nothing standing out. Apparently if there had been photos of his career-ending crash that would have been of extra interest. (He recovered and was discharged from the service.)
- The splintered propeller was like the commissioning certificate.
- His medals were normal for his participation.
- Oddly the item that received the most interest was the windshield from a SE5A showing projectile damage. My great uncle only flew a DH-9a (bomber/observation); somewhere along the line he had picked up the SE5A (fighter) windshield but the reason is no longer available.
Value - $1500-2000

The items that would have made the group of high interest were missing.
Had I had his uniform and his uniform flight wings that might have been enough to get the desired taped interview.
They were available at the time my mother inherited this group but because they were mildewing my mother passed on them. I assume they were later discarded.

Now what?
Id like to donate the whole group of items to an appropriate museum.
Ill put feelers out to the Canadians and British and see what happens.

Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Jun-19-07 at 07:04:17 PDT   Listings
malolo
I found your mention of cornering the market on a modern stamp an interesting concept. If one was clairvoyant he could predict when the presses would explode on the first printing day, taking all the plates with them. Otherwise one would have to buy a trainload to corner the market on just about any issue from anywhere.If the stamp sold well, more would be printed. The plates need to melt on the first day.

UGOTTA
What everyone told you about investing in modern stamps was not "negativity", just facts. The number of old Spiderman issues out there in the world at the moment is smaller than the number of old Spiderman collectors apparently. When a stamp is in the equivalent rarity category of a Spiderman issue it is expensive and has had a good return on investment over the years. Of course the number of Spiderman collectors will never amount to much, but stamp collectors will always be here in vast numbers and all over the world. Can you imagine a Mongolian farmer caring about buying Spiderman comics? They do collect stamps though. The reasons for that cannot be explained without scrolling off the chat board in a single hour.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1052 ) on Jun-19-07 at 06:45:04 PDT   Listings
Good day all.
I'm in the middle of writing a series of biographies and came across the following.

"(Albert) Johannsen's (1871-962) collecting extended to many fields outside of geology including postage stamps, commemorative half dollars, U. S. vice presidential autographs, first editions of Charles Dickens' works including the famous Phiz illustrations and dime novels."

My bold.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1352 ) on Jun-19-07 at 05:01:07 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"

to you all



Jim L.

member
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jun-19-07 at 03:50:04 PDT   Listings
soggy333 You are correct, of course. The Sedang original issue is scarce, even if it is a fantasy issue.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 389 ) on Jun-18-07 at 23:46:17 PDT   Listings
boots and flip.. I have reversed the PAID setting by simply clicking the drop down menu on my MY EBAY PAGE next to the item, it then give options like LEAVE FEEDBACK.. ETC. I think one is UNMARK as PAID

(sorry I dont have any current items in my AUCTIONS WON to check)

Linda
Posted by flip138   ( 382 ) on Jun-18-07 at 23:34:35 PDT   Listings
boots8283

I did exactly the same thing recently, and I couldn't find a way to reverse the "Paid" setting! The automated checkout system then wouldn't work.

If you want to use Paypal, you could go directly to your Paypal account and send payment to the seller's email address as being for non-auction goods (otherwise it sends you back to eBay and you'll get in a loop). I would email the seller beforehand so that he/she knows what you are paying for.

My seller was (like me) in the UK, so I just paid by cheque.

Phil
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-18-07 at 23:05:07 PDT   Listings
Bill,
thin paper, widely spaced watermark
431 = KGV 1 1/2d. Gray Slate, perf. 14 x 13 1/2
431a = KGV 1 1/2d. Gray Slate, no watermark
431b = KGV 1 1/2d. Gray Slate, perf. 14 x 14 1/2
431ba= KGV 1 1/2d. Gray Slate, no watermark
431by= watermark inverted & reversed
431c = vertical pair, both perfs.
431ca= no watermark, vertcial pair both watermarks.

David B.
Posted by billsey   ( 847 ) on Jun-18-07 at 22:29:38 PDT   Listings
I don't have my SG for NZ handy, can anyone look for me and explain the differences between SG431, 31a, and 31b?
Posted by jaywild   ( 952 ) on Jun-18-07 at 22:24:38 PDT   Listings
hereinmycar Thanks. You have provided the final nail in the coffin!

Nice job too, getting $500 from a stamp dealer when you were in high school. You must have been a go-getter.

Jim
Posted by hereinmycar   ( 44 ) on Jun-18-07 at 20:05:07 PDT   Listings
Jaywild: Allen's Coin & Stamp of Westerville, Oh. was a prominent stamp dealer in the late 70's to at least the mid-80's, possibly much later..... They had a regular buy ad in Linn's and I used to sell them many groups of material (while a high school lad). My fondest memory was selling them a fairly large stock of MNH 1932 Washington Bicentennial precancels (incl. many blocks) which brought far more than expected -- about $500.00 but those were 1970's dollars !! So, long story short, it is philatelic.
Posted by jaywild   ( 952 ) on Jun-18-07 at 17:59:37 PDT   Listings
NOIP OK folks, I have a very tricky question to ask the board. This has been offered to me as a non-philatelic solo usage of a $5 John Bassett Moore Prominent American stamp. The rate explained to me was$3.25 for registration, 60 for return receipt and $1.05 for up to 1 ounces international composite airmail. Total would be $4.90, but exactly $5 if the return receipt also included the address of the recipient.

Now for the problems.

1. The addressee is a well known stamp dealer in Buenos Aires. While it is possible that someone could have legitimately mailed him something requiring exactly $5 in postage and fees, it seems to me the odds would be vanishingly small.

2. There is a pen notation under the stamp which reads in part 2 oz. This throws the rate off completely, because it would add another 35 to the airmail charge.

3. There is a pencil notation on the back, which has been erased, which apparently said at one time A R with return receipt. Why would this have been erased?

4. There are indications on the back of the cover that a return receipt was at one time attached, but why are there no markings on the front that this piece is airmail and also that a return receipt has been paid for?

Please, anyone with any ideas about this cover let me know what you think.

Jim
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-18-07 at 16:59:13 PDT   Listings
DAVE Congrat s on your wins at the show .
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Jun-18-07 at 12:37:10 PDT   Listings
claghorn
Nobody took you up on the trick question! I believe that those Sedang issues are the genuine original bogus issue instead of the fake bogus issue which are more common. That price is getting to be the market value. It always helps of course to advertise them as Vietnam. I keep mine in the album under Indochina and would never call them Vietnam even if I was offered twice the price!

DJS127
Covers arrived safe and sound.
Posted by de66   ( 1096 ) on Jun-18-07 at 12:26:24 PDT   Listings
Thanks mini
D1
Posted by infla-alec   ( 543 ) on Jun-18-07 at 12:19:55 PDT   Listings
prbtxseguin/ Paul From your description I'm almost certain the coin you have is in fact not a coin but a slot machine token of some sort. If you can post a linked scan of the item I can try and find out more for you.

Posted by 6381eagle   ( 510 ) on Jun-18-07 at 11:49:51 PDT   Listings
postalhysteria

I apologize. I missed the "registered" and thought that you had made a mistake since your starting price was low and your other listings (that I looked at) had P&H at $1.00. I would think that it is risky to start the cover that low. It will be interesting to see if the selling price meets your expectations.
Posted by karlhh   ( 1016 ) on Jun-18-07 at 11:31:07 PDT   Listings
boots8283 , your 2000 MONGOLIA Albert Einstein Display page w/ 9 stamps is plainly marked $1 for shipping . Send the payment and you won't have to change the status .
Posted by boots8283   ( 0 ) on Jun-18-07 at 10:51:47 PDT   Listings
I am new to ebay. This is not exactly a stamp query, but I recently purchased some stamps on ebay and inadvertently marked the item as paid, when it has not yet been paid because I am awaiting shipping costs from the seller. How do I remove the "paid" status and return it to unpaid on my summary page?
Thanks for your patience.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3669 ) on Jun-18-07 at 09:26:09 PDT   Listings

6381eagle

Seller's payment instructions

SHIPPING INCLUDES REGISTERED MAIL.

Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jun-18-07 at 09:19:24 PDT   Listings
6381eagle It is eBay policy to charge shipping costs. ;-) These include strong box for fragile packing, electronic proof of delivery required by PayPal, other shipping materials, gas and mileage to the post office as well as time waiting in line and other paperwork associated with shipping. These costs add up, as you can well imagine. ;-)
Posted by 6381eagle   ( 510 ) on Jun-18-07 at 08:33:45 PDT   Listings
Postalhysteria

??? $10.00 for shipment by First Class Mail???
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3669 ) on Jun-18-07 at 08:22:07 PDT   Listings

God Bless Google

Posted by mini*lindy   ( 389 ) on Jun-18-07 at 06:10:38 PDT   Listings

D1 Dave Congratulations on your medals !
L.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1352 ) on Jun-18-07 at 04:59:17 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"

to you all



Jim L.

member
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 411 ) on Jun-18-07 at 04:51:06 PDT   Listings
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Posted by gwhitlam   ( 349 ) on Jun-18-07 at 03:57:02 PDT   Listings
Greenwave4U and DBenson

Many thanks for you comments re the Cyprus SG6

Geoff
Posted by dbenson   ( 8336 ) on Jun-18-07 at 03:36:35 PDT   Listings
D2,

no need to thank me, it was out pleasuire to have you there as well, give everyone a chance to meet people in person whose names they have only heard or read about.

Don't worry about my daughter being unhappy, she is like that whenever she meets philatelists besides she enjoys being a masochist,

David B.
Posted by de66   ( 1096 ) on Jun-18-07 at 02:01:10 PDT   Listings
D2

I enjoyed sharing a table and all the goss over dinner at the show with you and your family, i felt for your poor daughter who just did not want to be there! it was also good to chat with S2, plus enjoyed bringing my two medals home to Queensland.

D1