eBay chatboard archive: Jun-04-07 to Jun-10-07 week

Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-10-07 at 23:59:44 PDT   Listings
Mr Beneson-I hope that I have not unintentionally caused you a problem. I spoke to someone who came into our shop who had worked at eBay for 18 months who said that they have no experts in any of their categories and regard the Forum boards with a pinch of salt.
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-10-07 at 23:52:41 PDT   Listings
Dear Benson-thank you for the link and I hope that the suspension on my father is lift . If not well both my husband and I I think have seller status and he too now has a credit card. I would hate to violate ebay policy but I really think a gross in justice has been done to him.I have just spoken to him and he was not happy that I took it upon myself to raise all the issues I did.Two things really iratated him. One the "contact" perhaps you with your "contacts" that require log in perhaps with your contacts can point that outeBay. Do eBay read this Forum?The other thing that really hurt was the that he had spent perhaps 80 hours listing 50 items. To him it was an educational experience but a waste.He doubts that even if his suspension is lifted, the listing will be reinstated. Perhaps that is another issue you can raise with your ebay contacts.Someone who he sold an item too asked why he had been suspended and said that when eBay changed their payment policy eben though the person "Preferred payment by Paypal" stated that he also accepts cash and that is a no=no with eBay January 2006 policy that they apparently did not broadcast and had 110 listed items removed without the option of simply editing out cash accepted.I had a look at what eBay has banned.Whow. I printed it for my husband who has a MBA in Finace and even lectured on international finance and the Patriot Act and he had never heard of some of the methods of payment they had banned.I notice that you accept $ and Euros. How do you explain that to eBay?
Posted by putney32   ( 1561 ) on Jun-10-07 at 23:16:19 PDT   Listings
yer not wrong there, roly! L.
Posted by rolyrj   ( 4 ) on Jun-10-07 at 23:08:13 PDT   Listings
David

Strewth cobber, can think of a few fair dinkum Strine phrases for this drongo sheila. Buckleys chance of winning a barney here. Makes ya want to chunder at this fruit cakes cock-n-bull.

Cheers

Roly
Posted by billsey   ( 847 ) on Jun-10-07 at 22:52:51 PDT   Listings
Looks like a smudged cork to me, Vinny.
Posted by billsey   ( 847 ) on Jun-10-07 at 22:51:54 PDT   Listings
Heh sure looks like a chip off the block...

Roly, I have a couple that I'm unsure of, both off center enough to make it tough to see the left edge. One of these days I'll scan them and ask your opinion. In the mean time, tomorrow is scheduled for me, my perf gauge and those nicely stacked pennies. Hopefully I'll be able to end up with many more stacks... I won't be able to go farther (read that, mounting anything) until I get back down to the beach house. I'm up at the townhouse this weekend and through Tuesday.
Posted by vinnysf   ( 481 ) on Jun-10-07 at 22:50:48 PDT   Listings
let me try that again...is this the witch?
Posted by vinnysf   ( 481 ) on Jun-10-07 at 22:49:50 PDT   Listings
is >this a fancy cancel of a witch on a broomstick??
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-10-07 at 22:23:19 PDT   Listings
stacey, that appears to lead to a dead end, which is normal for Ebay contacts,

this should be OK,

http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-10-07 at 22:21:22 PDT   Listings
stacey, it looks like he can use this to contact Ebay even though he is suspended,

http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_us/_base/index_6.html?item=&topic=index_6&continue=Continue+%3E

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-10-07 at 22:17:32 PDT   Listings
satcey,

you are blaming the messenger, instead of venting your anger here, do it where it will do some good, to Ebay, plead with them, tell them what you have said here and they will listen if the cause is just and your father just copycatted the types of listings and the rest is coincidence,

David b.
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-10-07 at 22:15:36 PDT   Listings
Dear Mr Beson

Thank you for your concern. Are you aware that in ebay's help pages related to suspension, you need to log on where it says "contact". How the hell can you log on when you are suspended. Perhaps you can give my farther some ebay email addresses where he can lodge an appeal and perhaps redeem yourself. My father is awonderful man-he bears no-grudge against you or the Forum-he simply takes life as it come.I am curious to know how you would react if I started selling items on eBay.?
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-10-07 at 22:09:01 PDT   Listings
If he and Mr Dean and Mr Darori are one and the same and use the same computer, I am sure that ebay has the technology to tag their computers and i can't imagine that my father is going to buy a new computer or heaven forbid, Mr Dean's old computers.EeBay are probably a lot more sophisticated than you know and realy don't need "snitcher".
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-10-07 at 22:05:46 PDT   Listings
I have looked at the Scad site. My father has no connection yo MrDean, Mr Stephen Darori or any of the alias he or Mr Dean uses.He liked Mr Dean's style of making listings interesting and educational to bother the potential buyer and to himself in particular and commented more than once he has all the time in the world and if a listing takes 5 minutes or 3 hours of research it is no matter to him. It is a time killer, he has an inquisitive mind, highly educated and in time his Internet skills will improve but I am afraid not his spelling unless he runs everything through the Word checker and the eBay option takes forever.It runs in the famnily. I too am a typo error bad speller.I hate proof reading.He had bought the Oxford spell checker but has not tried it out yet on ebay. You did not exactly give him an opportunity. Did you.I am surprised. you seem a nice man. What was the bottom line of "snitching" on him.
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-10-07 at 21:56:37 PDT   Listings
A seller should be suspended for what he sells -not immaterial associations with references of suspended sellers or mention in an email by the suspended seller.You asked what the x stood for. It was simply because lewiskahn was already a long time ebay member.Had the ID he choose when he came to Israel been taken-he probably would have put a z instead of an x . You have done him a gross injustice and i an curious to see how cynical your fellow Forum members comments will be. I cannot say that for you, to quote my father, I have only started following the Ebay Chat Forum. But to "snitch" on a new member and not give him a chance is not appropriate to someone of your status as the premier philatelist on the Forun (again quoting my father).You have done him a gross in justice.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-10-07 at 21:56:01 PDT   Listings
stacey,

please note,

I did not make any comment about your fathers predicament, all I did was inform Ebay that there was similarities between his type of listings, his method of listings, his terminology that made me suspect that the seller may have been a previously Narued member, Stephen Darori and other aliases he has used. If Ebay found a connection between the ID you father was using and Stephen Darori they had no choice but to ban him immediately.

If your father has no connection with Mr. Darori then he may have banned for another reason and it may be temporary, keep on contacting Ebay and he may be reinstated,

David B.
Posted by rolyrj   ( 4 ) on Jun-10-07 at 21:50:04 PDT   Listings
billsey This is one of my latest aquisitions.
It is a UHM 4 x 4 block with selvedge and Plate 4 markings.
The block also includes two re-entries, at least one value block retouch and a very clear plate scratch across two stamps. A very nice exhibition piece indeed and I managed to get it by promising my first born, arm and left leg still intact :)
Cheers

Roly
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-10-07 at 21:49:25 PDT   Listings
Mr Benson-sorry-the nessage board has a limit in the number of characters it cab use so I did not see your comment. He has done so. But with 14 million sellers of philatelic material -you probably can find 100,000 with similar stock and 10,000 similar to the stock you sell and if only 10 have been suspended that sell similar stock to yourself, it is no reason to "snitch" on you.He stated openly what he will sell and no doubt intended to buy collections and break them up.He was open about his association with Putzel. Nothing on his listing was suspect although Isoon? corrected one item and he appreciated it.He has a fair returns policy. open to any correction. He should have been given a chance before "snitched" on.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-10-07 at 21:43:47 PDT   Listings
If there are any buyers out there that want to ask a question on a Cyprus QV 1s. overprint, please go ahead and ask,

There are two of us eagerly awaiting your questions,

David B.
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-10-07 at 21:42:46 PDT   Listings
As for the cynical comment about the lass of a leg and probably the other soon also to diabetes. I would not wish what he has gone through on any members of the cynical and sarcastic members (why don't you stick to stamps). He lost his leg and wife )my mother) more or less at the same time and the challenge of coming on Aliyah and living alone is a credit to his resolution not to be burden on society.He was looking forward to spending his retirement as an ebay seller. The basis of his suspension is questionable. He was very open in his me column, did not hide his connecttion to the late Ralph Putzel and I won't change my ebay ID simply to give him another seller ID.It is he who will sell our Judaica for us.You have done him a gross misjustice Mr Benson.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-10-07 at 21:42:06 PDT   Listings
stacey, you will have to take that up with Ebay, I only reported the similarities between your fathers listings and the previou twice narued listings. I only reported it, I didn't pull the chain. If your father or you wants to take it further there are means but this is not one of them,

David B.
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-10-07 at 21:35:37 PDT   Listings
As for not memtioning the Instition that was going to bemefit from some sales (which will stop-eBay auctions are different from landbased auction), anyone living in Raanna or Israel could name it. It is the best and only one in Raanana. and in any event the donations would have come through his New York bank account.That does not violate eBay's donation laws.What you do with the proceeds of your auction, Mr Benson , is your business but I am certain that you do make donations.As for outbidding another Forum member on one collection-well that was fair and square and paid for immediately.The incinuationwas missed completely. He has followed the stamp Forum off and on for 3 years and knows why Mr Dean was suspended.But simply been mentioned in Mr Dean's email to ex-buyers and sellers is no reason for suspensionor mentioning he had worked for the late Ralph Putzel.You have done him a gross injustice.
Posted by staceyxfleishman   ( 0 ) on Jun-10-07 at 21:25:03 PDT   Listings
Mr D.Benson-I have no idea why you felt it necesary to "snitch" on my father "lewisxkahn". His only association with Jonathandean8 was an email he wrote to MR Dean when Mr Dean in his elaborate description metioned the late Ralp Putzel, a premier stamp dealer and even better philatelic author on philatic South African issues . Mty father simply wrote to Mr Putzel saying he had worked for him as a teenager and latter as a university student, rising from a packer to a catalogue unfer the close supervision of Mr Putzel. He mentioned he would be coming on aliyah (immigrate to Israel)with my family and would probably while away his retirement as a seller on eBay with the material he had inherited from his father and other material he would purchase in collections.Among the liquidation stock of Putzel's mail auction was a very large reference collection. Out of date but very usefull. He subsequently bought further reference material.Mr Dean courteously wrote to all his clients a number of letters ,coping my father who had never sold or purchased from him anything, that they should look at "lewisxkahn" which my father had mentioned would be his sellers ID since leis kahn was taken. He hoped that it would still be available when he came on aliyah. The x stands for nothing.I think that you have done him a gross injustice -he only has respect for you as a philatelist based on your input in the stamp Forum and cannot understand your action.
Ebay no doubt have technology that tags users and computers they use and his is a new one -state of the art-brought with him on aliyah.He has never met Dr Dean (or any member of his family)neither likely to as Mr Dean in his letter states , he will be based in Geneva and has appointed an Israeli manager to manage his business interest. Nor would be be interested. We were amazed at the number of boxes of sellable ebay material that his father had acumulated and kept in storage. it took up a good third of his lift (container you are allowed to bring personal items with when you emigrate from South Africa). I and my husband have bought a second hand judaica and book store which had a large quantity of judaica items in it.
Posted by rolyrj   ( 4 ) on Jun-10-07 at 20:54:37 PDT   Listings
billseyGreat !!!
That is real good news to hear that my site has been helpful for someone :)
Well, just let me know if you have any trouble with any of them because I have other resources here that will help as well.
Cheers and thanks for the feed back.
Roly
Posted by keleofa   ( 3464 ) on Jun-10-07 at 20:50:29 PDT   Listings
Vinny,

If you paid and were issued a number I would use it. IMHO no one is really going to be concerned one way or another. It will be several months before your name appears in American Philatelist.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by vinnysf   ( 481 ) on Jun-10-07 at 20:34:15 PDT   Listings
i applied for membership with the APS and i got my membership number but it is not official until my application gets listed in the newsletter thing. can i use list my membership number in my ebay listings now if i listed it as "pending approval" or something like that?
Posted by abt1950   ( 227 ) on Jun-10-07 at 18:32:17 PDT   Listings
Good night to all and to all sweet dreams of deciphering cancels, SCWs, and exceptional ebay finds. Anne
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-10-07 at 18:11:12 PDT   Listings
NOIP------The only way we are really going to know what the deal between E-BAY and the SCW with the APS is when they step on the wrong toes or mess with the wrong group.

They will get a invite to a court appearance and then the attorney will ask for discovery and all the contracts ,agreements and money will have to be disclosed for the courts .All it will take is one wrong move and the records will be open ........Those outside the U.S. don't really understand how fast the courts here will rip open the curtain of secretcy.

Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-10-07 at 17:45:45 PDT   Listings
George, re the Cyprus fakes,

please show the items you are discussing here or at least mention the lot numbers and ask members to give thier opinions whether the stamps have fake overprints or not. After a few replies contact the buyers and tell them to look at this chat as their may be comments on it that may interest them. In that way the buyers can make their own decisions whether the stamps are fake or not,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-10-07 at 17:42:48 PDT   Listings
The SCW & the APS definitely have the approval of Ebay to check all material available for sale to the US whether it is lsted on Ebay.US or any other Ebay worldwide.

The only other Ebay area that checks material is Ebay.Germany and that is sent to a group which hasd no affiliation with any stamp society. Most stamp societies and associations in the world are very small and wouldn't have the capabilities as they are not the same as the APS which has individual members which pay dues and has their own beuilding and employees. Most of the overseas associations are national associations which the constituent societies belong to. Most of them do not even have a permanent home, just meet every now and the various executive members handle whatever work has to be done. Maybe 1 or 2 in the world may have a paid employee but that would be the major countries like France, Germany, UK but all the others would be no bigger than your local stamp club.

There are moves afoot to organise a group to monitor Australian items listed on Ebay Australia but no definite agreement yet.

Billsey,

I didn't say it was a drain on their resources, I said that someone from the APS had said it was and it was mentioned a few times in the early APS minutes. The APS walked into this without an exit strategy if something went wrong, what does that remind you of,

David B.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 379 ) on Jun-10-07 at 17:28:08 PDT   Listings
lou cards no I have not used LIVE AUCTIONS on eBay, but a new account may have to have some feedback. I'm not sure all the Live Auctioneers accept registration from (0) feedback bidders.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-10-07 at 17:07:35 PDT   Listings
WAIT A MINUTE -------Maybe the SWC and the APS don't go into other countries E-BAY listings out of considerations and courtesy to the home countries philatelic organizations and maybe E-bay will set up home country SWC ......paul
Posted by billsey   ( 847 ) on Jun-10-07 at 17:00:25 PDT   Listings
Roly, I had the good ofrtune to look through a pile of about 200 Penny Universals today. The owner said I could fill my want list if I returned the remainder sorted correctly. :-) I've got nine of the eleven basic varieties (guess which two I'm missing), and at least some perf varieties as well (noticed at least one compound perf). There are a dozen or so I'll have to soak to remove hinge remnants or paper before I can ID them, but the rest fell right into place when I used your site as my guide.

Bob what do you want to bet that the official FDCs have the original release date, rather than the date when they finally show up in post offices?
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-10-07 at 16:55:11 PDT   Listings
BARGIN OF THE DAY Here is what I picked up at the flea market today for $5.00 .Its huge and made of ivory and brass .... Better than the folding glass that sat on my desk for years.....paul
Posted by billsey   ( 847 ) on Jun-10-07 at 16:54:55 PDT   Listings
David, I think that assuming anything listed on a non-US site will be looked at by the SCW is reaching for it a bit. I also don't think it's any drain on APS manpower at all to send a report to the SCW, it's only a drain if the SCW then refers it to the APS. Remember the SCW is a group that eBay formed, and it's only there to perform triage on the reported items. I'd guess it's SCW that holds things up when certain of us make reports...
Posted by rclwa   ( 967 ) on Jun-10-07 at 16:18:10 PDT   Listings
Jaywild -- Point taken. I guess I didn't really think about it either way, but subconsciously, it was as if the tide is coming in, and somehow you can push it back, so as to delay it until later. Anyway, I could find nothing on the USPS web site, but my friendly postal clerk said they got an email saying they would not be available on the date originally published, which was to be next week, as I recall. No clue yet how long the delay will be.

Bob in WA
Posted by lou4cards   ( 420 ) on Jun-10-07 at 16:14:00 PDT   Listings
Has anyone used the live auction on e-bay? I'm thinking about trying it.. I would open a new account to do live auctions.
Lou
Posted by abt1950   ( 227 ) on Jun-10-07 at 16:07:11 PDT   Listings
Oh dear, I'd better check my albums for fake pages. Another thing to worry about.

I must also be on the list. Nothing I've reported has ever been pulled.


Anne
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-10-07 at 16:02:01 PDT   Listings
jay, I don't think it is a list, I think that the Ebay employees who receive the original queries were informed by someone to stifle as much non US queries as the SWC didn't have the manpower to handle them and it was a drain on the APS manpower and financial resources if too many non US queries were sent from Ebay to the SCW.

Billsey, as far as I know there is no reporting system direct to Ebay.UK although they do have a stamps manager but he also handles myriads of other collectable categories,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-10-07 at 15:44:41 PDT   Listings
billsey, as long as it can be sold in the US it can be handled by the SWC, if it gets that far after being ignored by Ebay,

David B.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 379 ) on Jun-10-07 at 15:43:29 PDT   Listings
Oh, see how easy it is to be fooled by these good fakers, I would have sworn that was a genuine old album page !

Linda :o)
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Jun-10-07 at 15:38:19 PDT   Listings
if a seller marks the back of an album page as fake then does that meet the requirement that the stamp be marked?
Posted by billsey   ( 847 ) on Jun-10-07 at 15:23:32 PDT   Listings
And since neither one is listed on eBay US, the SCW will just ignore it for anyone who reports. Is there an equivalent group for eBay UK?
Posted by jaywild   ( 950 ) on Jun-10-07 at 15:16:38 PDT   Listings
David Benson… I am on the same sh*t list, anything I report goes automatically into the “ignore” file.

Jim
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-10-07 at 14:39:38 PDT   Listings
Looking for volunteers to report these monstrosities, waste of time me doing it,

http://cgi.ebay.com/Niger-Coast-GB-Lagos-Oil-Rivers-SG15-Cat-4000_W0QQitemZ150131344531QQihZ005QQcategoryZ73213QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.com/Niger-Coast-GB-Lagos-Oil-Rivers-SG39-Used-Unpriced_W0QQitemZ150131348835QQihZ005QQcategoryZ73213QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

David B.
Posted by 1covers   ( 1357 ) on Jun-10-07 at 12:52:30 PDT   Listings
"Reading" is one of many town names that might fit and this town from many possible states. In short, no way of knowing.
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-10-07 at 12:37:10 PDT   Listings
K.E. -

The Geneve “sack cancel” has a slight premium, but only to a small group of collectors. The original idea was for clerks to hand write in their sub-office designation. They can be found with letters “A”, “B”, “C”, and i beleive “D”, of which there is only one example (it’s from the city hall sub-office). If you ever find a cancel with the letters make sure you make the information prominent in your description. These willall come from the early yeas in the 1870’s. It was too cumbersome, so never followed through.

The razor cancel was used frequently during the 1908 period, but nice to keep. Hard to say if anyone is interested, but make mention it was the Zurich Fahrpost, which handled money.

Bob in WA -
This is the time to use a snipe service, since you can’t be online whenthe auctions close. Just trying to help, not start another big discussion.


Paolo - The postage due were printed on the same sheets. The printer set up the cliches incorrectly, inverting some of them, then printed the frames. The numerals were all printed correctly, thus their is a percentage of every issue which has inverted frames which varies with each printing. Apparently the printers didn’t notice, or didn’t care! But this make for some rarities.

Roger
Posted by keleofa   ( 3464 ) on Jun-10-07 at 12:35:39 PDT   Listings
Anne & Greenwave,

re: French Morocco Post Office name

I think it is Mequinez, which is the Spanish name for the Arabic 'Miknasa' which is now Meknes.

Thanks! Good work!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by vinnysf   ( 481 ) on Jun-10-07 at 12:23:21 PDT   Listings
hi, can anyone tell where this cancel is from? i've been trying to figure it out
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-10-07 at 12:13:14 PDT   Listings
forget the Fez:-)
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-10-07 at 12:10:11 PDT   Listings
Try Fez Mequinez?
Posted by keleofa   ( 3464 ) on Jun-10-07 at 11:48:22 PDT   Listings
Anne,

re: French Morocco Post Office name

Thanks... Maybe, it's closer than anything I came up with, but The Stamp Atlas doesn't identify Mequinnez as having a French PO. There could be a Z at the end, which I took to be Commerce's leg.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by abt1950   ( 227 ) on Jun-10-07 at 11:36:21 PDT   Listings
Matt: Mequinnez??? AKA Meknes. Courtesy of The Stamp Atlas.

Anne
Posted by abt1950   ( 227 ) on Jun-10-07 at 11:30:21 PDT   Listings
from a sunny NJ.


jaywild: Thanks for pointing out that lot. The seller really did get it wrong. Not only are they not listed under the right country, but they're not Zeps! The set was issued in 1933 for the International Aviation Congress in Cairo, as indicated by the special cance. The high value pictures a zep, but that's about it.

Mitch: Thanks for your sympathy on Rudy's death a few days back. You've had your own dog tragedies too.


APS elections: Interesting outcome. Personally, it's disappointing that Dan Walker's smear tactics worked. It would be interesting to do a demographic study of the voting patterns of various segments of APS--I wonder if computer literacy and/or hanging out in online forums made any difference in voting patterns and in which direction. BTW, I'm not just talking about the VSC but other online forums as well.

Anne
Posted by keleofa   ( 3464 ) on Jun-10-07 at 11:19:49 PDT   Listings
French Morocco Post Office name...

French Morocco

I need help identifying this town in French Morocco. I believe I can read "MEOUINE" (maybe MEQUINE?). Can't tell if there are letters prior to the first M. I've been doing Google searches in French and English without success. Anyone?

T I A

Matt in Arizona
Posted by keleofa   ( 3464 ) on Jun-10-07 at 09:43:20 PDT   Listings
Nomad,

Excellent! re: Bomar. Details?

Matt in Arizona
Posted by nomad55   ( 896 ) on Jun-10-07 at 09:37:08 PDT   Listings
What Matt said is basically true, but....
A bidder who I know personally had bid on a forged cancel on cover. I emailed him not using the ebay system, and he retracted.

For those who may be interested:
Bill Bomar's Third Editon of expo post marks and postal history is completed on CD, with color photos.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3464 ) on Jun-10-07 at 09:26:54 PDT   Listings
George: You cannot contact bidders, that is auction interference. You need to contact eBay directly, who may or may not take action.

Iomoon: The Guyana stamp is from 1983, a reproduction in commemorative form of the original.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by george(950)   ( 707 ) on Jun-10-07 at 09:16:14 PDT   Listings
Recently I realized that some used stamps of Cyprus offered for sale at ebay have forged overprinds and/or forged postmarks. Does anyone know how to communicate with the highest bidder to give a warning?
George
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Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-10-07 at 08:56:23 PDT   Listings
The A03 cancel may add significantly to value.
I don't have catalog to look.
Posted by larsa1978   ( 0 ) on Jun-10-07 at 07:58:08 PDT   Listings
Matt,

Thanks for your information.

Larsa
Posted by keleofa   ( 3464 ) on Jun-10-07 at 07:43:43 PDT   Listings
Larsa,

You have Scott Catalog # 706, Guyana, issue of 1983. It has a minimum value and is quite common. This year the minimum value is 20c.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by larsa1978   ( 0 ) on Jun-10-07 at 07:38:13 PDT   Listings
I came across a stamp from guyana with a picture of the british one penny(brown) stamp on it. It says "1st april 1858" and "Guyana" in blue letters and has an A03 (cancelled-to-order) sign on it.

Is there anybody who has some more information on this stamp?

Any help would be appreciated.
Posted by larsa1978   ( 0 ) on Jun-10-07 at 07:33:02 PDT   Listings
Hi all
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-10-07 at 06:26:28 PDT   Listings
Alec Yes it is, that one is a very common fiscal found on the £1 value you see many on eBay with sellers trying to pass them off as postal use.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-10-07 at 06:24:33 PDT   Listings
PETER Your best bet for advice on searchs would be to ask Jim or Roger ,those two use it all the time AFAIK.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-10-07 at 06:20:54 PDT   Listings
Peter

Mine are easy, "volc*" and "vulk*" at the primary level.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 541 ) on Jun-10-07 at 06:19:41 PDT   Listings
Rich The German Colonies should be listed somewhere in Scott but to be honest I don't know where exactly. Though someone should be able to help you out there late on once they read your post.
ebay.de listings for German Colonies as you can see should allow you to try and see if you have anything similar.
As Paul rightly stated there could be rare cancels in amongst what you have but those are usually only sought after on piece or on cover. To know what cancels are rare you need the Deutsche Kolonien Stempelkatalog. It is in German but for anyone seriously interested in Colonies cancels it is very easy to understand with clear illustrations.
The other stamps you mentioned are what is known as Plebiscite area stamps. Again mint most have very little value.

Peter I assume this BZA £1 then is with revenue cancel ?
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-10-07 at 05:54:45 PDT   Listings
Paul Time is valuable that's why I try and optimise my searches as much as possible. Worth showing an example of my search for BCA and Nyasaland it might help some viewers:-
(nyasaland,nyassaland,BCA,British Central Africa,BZA) -CD - rhodesia.
This covers for a common misspelling but it is also the way it is spelt in German I believe as is the BZA. The -CD clears out all the crap from people trying to list catalogues on CD and the Rhodesia takes out the many items for Rhodesia and Nyasaland. I also exclude some scammy sellers but that's another story. This type of search does have its flaws though if a seller puts in words such as "see my nice items for rhodesia for sale", on say a BCA item. Welcome any advice on improving this.
Peter who has too much time on his hands to search:-)
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-10-07 at 05:51:48 PDT   Listings
RICHARD ----Some of the high values of the German territories can get pricey,but the low values are packet material. But some of the cheaper ones could have rare cancels .Also would have to see if they are postaly used or C.T.O 's .....paul
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-10-07 at 05:48:39 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

D2

Don't know for sure, but I have noticed a recent upswing in the prices for British Offices.
Posted by richintalent   ( 128 ) on Jun-10-07 at 05:15:06 PDT   Listings
In a box of philatelic material won in eBay I came across an old stockbook with German stamps from the 20s and 30s [pre-Hitler]; some were overprionted 'China' and 'Morokko'- When did Germany have offices in China or Morocco? Also there is a German territoty stamp for a place called 'Kiautschou' which I am assuming is in China somewhere. Also included in this box were German stamps overprinted "Traite de Versailles - Allenstein" and 'Plebiscite Slesvig'. I don't have a Scott's Cataqlog handy; any ideas as to worth? some are used and all the Allenstein ones appear to be mint. Am I sitting on a gold mine?

Rich K.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3657 ) on Jun-10-07 at 05:13:02 PDT   Listings

David B. Don't have a clue, but congratulations!
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3657 ) on Jun-10-07 at 05:09:56 PDT   Listings

Jay-JimI totally mised the aswome. Grin.

I find the red devil more of a minor irritaiton than any intent to deceive. It is like egocentric sellers who insist on using their logo in a gallery image, or eBay ID in the item description.

Bridge alert from the same red devil.

David B. I too found the sharing/discussion of your find truly interesting.

As to the recent APS muck, I think it but a tempest in a teapot, soon forgotten by most, and a perpetual burr under a blanket to a few who have to be ranting about something.

Morning to all,

Jeff
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-10-07 at 04:42:52 PDT   Listings
JIM L. ------Hope you still remember my remarke about the start of another philatelic group starting up after this little blow-up in the national organization .Thats my prediction ......paul
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-10-07 at 04:37:22 PDT   Listings
PETER Sounds like you made some nice finds and know the subject of your area of interest.

TIME and KNOWNLEDGETo find some of the interesting and rare item that are discussed here .It takes time to search ,which many people don't have because of business and family and other things like church or other projects .Most of us are taking our free time from the hobby and use it up just for searching E-BAY.Some how that is not profitable to me its easier to just buy the item and say I got it and spent my free time on other things .

Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1348 ) on Jun-10-07 at 04:03:57 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


paperhistory
Thanks for sharing the results on the APS elections.

avid B.
There’s several reasons some don’t read VSC. It varies for each individual. For me two of the factors are that the discussion is generally about material that is well out of my areas of interest or budget and the other is the controlling hand of one of the APS candidates.

Personally I feel that the APS vote represents a reaction against misrepresentations made in the past by two of the candidates. That and other signs of their character are the reasons for my being grateful the vote went the way it went. The Indiana Stamp Club had one of our board members on the APS board for a while and we did get an inside view of what was happening. Their evaluations influenced me. The facts they shared disappointed me. FWIW, if it had gone the other way when it came time to renew membership I’d have resigned.

Jim L.

member
Posted by dove3ducks   ( 469 ) on Jun-10-07 at 03:08:24 PDT   Listings
Morning Folks.......
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-10-07 at 02:24:52 PDT   Listings
Paul I couldn't agree more with you about your eBay comments. There are many good finds to be had out there but it does require a lot of searching, knowledege of what you see, and a large element of luck! In my case in the past year I consider myself lucky to have picked up 2 SG54 provisonals from BCA, the only ones I have seen on Ebay in the past 5 years. The first was on cover in a normal auction and went for 250 pounds with a cert, against a CV of 1600 reasonable price, the second was from Anglo American again properly described and identified but the lister gave it the wrong CV of 110 pounds and put it up opening at $75 with a buy it now of $95. My luck was that it had only been listed for 45 minutes when I saw it.
My second piece of luck was with a set of fresh mint high value EDV11 Nyasaland which had a CV of 900 pounds and I had been outbid 10 days before at 200 pounds. The sale must have fallen through and the seller relisted but for some reason put a starting of 70 pounds and a buy it now of 90 pounds. I guess he meant to put 190, again it had only been listed for less than 2 hours when I saw it.
So if you have the time run your searches several times a day, with the search set to newly listed.
D2 Many congratulations as well. I confess I had the item on my watch list and had a feeling about it but nowhere near enough knowledge. How about getting some of your Niger collection onto your website?
cheers
Peter
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-10-07 at 01:11:10 PDT   Listings
Alec,

correct, no one should feel ashamed to ask a question,

I'll ask one,

why,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&viewitem=&item=160123815781&rd=1&rd=1

David B.
Posted by xzephyr   ( 981 ) on Jun-10-07 at 00:32:49 PDT   Listings
Linda

AMEN to that!

Colin (who is using up lots of GB, especially Machins, for postage)

Posted by infla-alec   ( 541 ) on Jun-10-07 at 00:14:01 PDT   Listings
IO/Jim I see nothing wrong in asking questions here on things that you either don't understand or wish to know more about.
David's Niger find is one example where something has been shown here and I dare say most will have had no idea as to why it is such a rare item.
I am sure there have been other instances here when items have been shown and people have had questions about it and yet not posted the question. Why not I wonder ? A fear of appearing to ask a dumn question ? There are no stupid questions if you don't know the answer.
I would urge anyone out there with questions on anything shown here to simply ask whatever it is you wish to know. I'm pretty certain in most cases the answer can be given. Even if a reply does not explain things exactly then have no fear about asking another question. Too often in the philatelic world things get explained using terms we assume everyone understands and that simply isn't the case.
Posted by jaywild   ( 950 ) on Jun-09-07 at 22:23:02 PDT   Listings
Anne… Don’t know if this is the sort of lot that interests you, but you’d never find it, even though the seller helpfully listed it in two categories—on the unhelpful side they were US and Germany.

☺

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 950 ) on Jun-09-07 at 21:09:30 PDT   Listings
Bill S… Thanks. This is what that auction looks like in the lists. One would naturally assume that red devil cancel would be included, yes? That’s exactly what the seller is counting on.

Jim
Posted by billsey   ( 847 ) on Jun-09-07 at 20:35:18 PDT   Listings
Jim, you can use the SCW link to directly report listing violations.
Posted by jaywild   ( 950 ) on Jun-09-07 at 20:11:58 PDT   Listings
Jeff S… You forgot to mention that the seller claims they are ASWOME!

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 950 ) on Jun-09-07 at 20:03:50 PDT   Listings
NOIP… Where does one go to report listing violations? Not the “automated” b*llsh*t form which doesn’t allow you to explain what is wrong with the auction.

This lot doesn’t contain the red skull and crossbones that the auction image illustrates. This scumbag does this will all their “fancy cancel” lots—show an impossibly scarce cancel to lure people in, then down in the lot description let on that the scarce cancel is not part of the lot.

That user ID is familiar—didn’t this person used to hang out on the chatboard?

Jim
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3657 ) on Jun-09-07 at 19:39:13 PDT   Listings

perfrins?

AND... there are 49 index cards with a perfrin on it and information as to what the perfrin stands for.

amazing
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-09-07 at 19:21:45 PDT   Listings
Paul & IO,

and with the way that Ebay has it now set up no one cab be sure whether the item can be viewed by all of the potential bidders,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-09-07 at 19:11:55 PDT   Listings
IO,

there were two distinct areas, firstly the area under the jurisdiction of the Royal Niger Company which was inland and which later became Northern Nigeria when it was transferred to the Crown in 1900 and the Oil Rivers Protectorate which was formed in 1885 which later became Niger Coast Protectorate and was along the southern coast of Nigeria which was under the control of the British Government. This area later became Southern Nigeria in 1900 and also absorbed Lagos which was a separate colony.

The Royal Niger Company opened Post Offices at it's offices in Abutshi, Akassa, Burutu & Lokoja and at first mail was sent without stamps with the Company's handstamps and later British stamps were supplied to the various offices. Not all values were supplied, only 1/2d., 1d. 2 1/2d., 5d., 10d., 1s. & 2s.6, all other values were not sold by the PO's but could have been procured on board ships or by travellers. Normal usage from the main offices Akasssa, Burutu & Lokoja are not scarce although covers are keenly sought after especially if rarer markings or the values not sold locally. Virtually all of the correspondence known is Royal Niger Company internal mail, French Missionary correspondence & letetres from Militay personnel in the various campaigns which occurred during the period.

The Oil Riveres Protectorate never had any Post Offices until late 1891 and Post Offices were opened in the consular offices in Benin River, Bonny River, Brass River, Forcados River, Old Calabar River & Opobo River and some GB stamps would have been supplied from stocks in the Niger Territories but no one knows how many and which values. As far as I know there are only 3 covers known from that period, two in one collection in UK and another in another collection in UK, none have been sold in the last 50 years. It is not known how much mail was sent through these offices but it would have been very little as there were no traders in the area at that time, no philatelic mail and no missionaries.

David B.
Posted by jaywild   ( 950 ) on Jun-09-07 at 18:24:39 PDT   Listings
Matt in AZ… Say this to someone just learning English—

“Make me a sandwich, and step on it!”

☺

Jim
Posted by keleofa   ( 3464 ) on Jun-09-07 at 17:50:08 PDT   Listings
Jim (Jaywild),

When something occurs earlier we say "The event was moved up". "Pushed back" is needed to offset that! Do you say 'Slow down' or 'Slow up'? What a language!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by jaywild   ( 950 ) on Jun-09-07 at 17:36:53 PDT   Listings
Pet peeve time… How come when an event has been postponed people refer to it as having been “pushed back”? To me that makes no sense. To push something back means to push it backwards, in this case backwards could only mean back in time. To push a scheduled event or date forward means to reset the date to another one further in the future.

Nothing against you Bob in WA, just had to get that out.

☺

Jim
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-09-07 at 17:29:31 PDT   Listings
Paul

Very good point.
Though I check eBay on a daily basis,I get tired of getting non-results for the same items week after week so let them slide.
Then occasionally when I'm bored I'll do one of those lapsed searches.
It is remarkable as to how often I'll hit on something I have been (not been) searching for a long time.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-09-07 at 17:02:25 PDT   Listings
DAVID B. -----You bring up a important point that needs to be stated here .Just because its on E-BAY doesn't mean others are viewing it .Since many rare items are up only a week and those people who have both the financial means and the experience to know what it is are not viewing that particlur week .Makes for a hit or miss discovery or a mis-opportunity .....paul
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-09-07 at 17:01:10 PDT   Listings
D2

Sorry to keep harping on it but it is an area with which I am unfamiliar and am trying to understand.
OK, we have the Oil Rivers and adjacent Niger Territories.
The Royal Niger Company had post offices, as did the consular offices and pursers of ships travelling to the region.
Sooo, someone living in the area who did not work for the Royal Niger and wanted to mail a letter to Britain had the option of using either of the three outlets?
Approximately how many post offices were there (excluding ships) and is there any estimate of the volume of mail traffic?
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-09-07 at 16:52:13 PDT   Listings
Paul, your absolutely right, the item I bought was from an experienced and knowledgable seller. He described the item perfectly however the problem is not with the sellers, it was the bidders. As there has only even been about 10 examples of GB used in the Protectorate offered for sale worldwide in the past 20 years it was missed by the major collectors. If it had been seen by about 3 specialists in GB then it would have been a bun fight with the seller who would have had a heart attack when he saw the outcome. I do not know if the other collectors are Ebays but I doubt it but there are a few of the major specialist British Commonwealth dealers who must have missed it.

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-09-07 at 16:39:50 PDT   Listings
darn hit the wrong key,too much sun today .

What I was trying to say was that the find by David B. on e-bay and the two recent articles in Linn's Stamp News about the rare discovery of the 5-barrel Beer stamp and the machine cancel both on e-bay in the past few weeks confirms with other "discoveries " on e-bay that this is the place to find stuff , and the most experience philatelist are looking and finding items on e-bay .

This sure puts many established philatelist and organization people who are on record of degradeing E-BAY in years past.

Guess it could now be said that philatelic finds are not made in dusty old attics or discovered in some dealer assortment .The stuff now being offered in large lots by dealers and auction houses are now in their fourth or fifth dealers hands and been picked thru so many times its a mircle to find something .

Sounds like the new hunting ground is E-BAY......Paul

Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-09-07 at 16:25:13 PDT   Listings
DAVID B. -----Congratulations on your winning bid and rare find on the Niger Coast item .

Y

Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-09-07 at 16:22:51 PDT   Listings
PAOLO----Good to see you back ,sounds like you had a good time ,if you find more info. on the Swiss Dues sent me a scan or post it for me . ....paul
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-09-07 at 16:19:44 PDT   Listings
KNUDEN----Nice material ,very interesting .....paul
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Jun-09-07 at 16:16:17 PDT   Listings
willderspin I guess some Power Sellers do not have to mark their imitations.

D1 If they call it an imitation instead of a forgery they can they not mark the back and not get pulled?
Posted by vonbag   ( 174 ) on Jun-09-07 at 16:12:06 PDT   Listings
DC and Knud-Erik,

Congratulations on the items you showed!!!

I can't add much more than just my 'congrats', unfortunately!

Not familiar with that field.

Knud,

I have several of those 'empty scroll' CDS from Switzerland.
Regarding the 'Razor Cancel' on you post card, you can always peruse Roger's web-site / online exhibit for an approach on date of usage/rarity.

I found some very interesting Swiss material, especially on the field of Swiss postage due stamps (first two Issues) -- regularly (by me) off cover!!! I do not know where to begin to illustrate it, given the quantity!
I must take the courage and scan a few multiples, e.g. the green frames with carmine numerals, to show that the frames type I (for all denominations relatively scarce to rare) and II (relatively common on the second Issue) were used together on the same typographical composition! I was not able to find any confirmation or info. on Zumstein or Michel at this regard.

Paolo
Posted by vonbag   ( 174 ) on Jun-09-07 at 15:44:07 PDT   Listings
I am back.

I franked and wrote several postcards, one expressly also for Sheryll, but forgot the bunch on the right seat of my car in Italy! ;-(
I will mail it the next time (end of July).

The philatelic bourse in Verona was nice, selling and buying.
Slightly upset with dealer judging a few stamps regummed. Laughing actually, because I know that 'gum' is original (sets were separated from full sheets, perforated).
Then again, he bought a good cover from me.

But, the nicest part by far was meeting my friends philatelists/collectors: meeting, discussing, walking, viewing, eating, drinking together.
I would apply 'full time' for that kind of job!

Paolo
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 379 ) on Jun-09-07 at 15:34:06 PDT   Listings
Thank you Colin the ever helpfull, although I don't collect Machins, and working in stamps for over 30 years you do get to hate them because they are so complicated, I think the new booklet panes are really attractive.
Now is the time for Royal Mail to draw a line under them and say. THE END.

Linda
Posted by 220man   ( 151 ) on Jun-09-07 at 15:21:29 PDT   Listings
sayasan: Alive and well...
Posted by knuden   ( 2284 ) on Jun-09-07 at 14:45:09 PDT   Listings
Today I received some nice Austrian items with cancels from Prague.

1. Registered official folded letter 1842
2. Folded letter 1854 with first issue stamp on handmade paper.
3. Folded letter to Greifswald, Germany with first issue stamp on machine made paper.
4. Postal card in Bohemian language 1874.
5. Uprated Postal card to Switzerland 1904.
6. Private Postal card 1909. (Back of card.) It's a printed matter advertising Prager Ham - as they say in the blue cancel lower left: "Not to be missed on any Christmas table!" :O)
7. The most interesting - An early phone card precursor from 1916.

K.E   I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-09-07 at 14:41:39 PDT   Listings
Richard, what it does prove is that most of the voters don't read VSC,

David B.
Posted by sayasan   ( 652 ) on Jun-09-07 at 14:23:59 PDT   Listings
Hmm. Looks like McCarthyite slurs pay off ....
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-09-07 at 13:58:53 PDT   Listings
IO,

they had nothing against it, it just wasn't supplied as there was no need for it as it would have been only used to make up odd rates which could have been easily used by two 1d.s. One of the unusual things about which stamps were sent was that a large quantity of 2s.6 were sent even though large parcels were sent from the offices to the Royal Niger Company in London and they were usually used with multiples of the 2s.6, even blocks of 4 although no 5s. or 10s. were sent or even known used there as it would be unlikely that travellers of ship's pursers would have them in stock. The 3d. was never sent but many examples are known and also command high prices,

David B.
Posted by keleofa   ( 3464 ) on Jun-09-07 at 13:48:33 PDT   Listings
Matt (Paperhistory),

Thanks for the APS results and also thanks for your help in casting the EUSC vote!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by rclwa   ( 967 ) on Jun-09-07 at 13:45:45 PDT   Listings
Well, at least PH finally got to remove that awful ankle bracelet! I heard it kept chafing her ear!

Still ducking in once a day at the library. Managing to bid on a few lots, too, though got outbid mostly. Hope to be back to normal soon, though.

I had planned to create some commercial FDC's with the new $16 stamp (which has a BRIDGE in the background!), but now I hear the original date has been pushed back. Anybody know about this? Guess I better check the USPS site, see if there is new info.

Bob in WA
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1983 ) on Jun-09-07 at 13:36:13 PDT   Listings
Taken from the Virtual Stamp Club, here are election results from the APS. They don't track the EUSC vote very closely!

Nicholas G. Carter, , was elected as president and received 7,140 votes. The other declared candidate for president, Ken Lawrence, , received 2,383 votes. Others received 8 votes.

In the race for APS secretary, Wayne Youngblood, , won with 5,224 votes. Steve Zwillinger, , garnered 4,160 votes. Others received 6 votes.

Vying for the position of APS treasurer, W. Danforth Walker, , won with 6,340 votes. Thomas F. Allen, , received 2,968 votes. Others received 6 votes.

In the race for the three-member board of vice presidents, the slate of Steven Jeffrey Rod, New Jersey; Wade Edgar Saadi, New York; and, David Lee Straight, Missouri, with a total of 6,955 votes, was elected over the slate of Nancy B. Clark, Massachusetts; Robert E. Lamb, Pennsylvania; and Jeffrey Shapiro, Massachusetts, which received 2,550 votes. Others received 6 votes.

Six candidates had been vying for four director-at-large positions. Elected to those four positions were Robert P. Odenweller, New Jersey, 5,732 votes; Denise Stotts, Texas, 5,601 votes; Joann Lenz, Michigan, 5,595 votes; and Michael D. Dixon, Maryland, 5,564 votes. Other candidates for director-at-large were Peter D. Martin, , 5,421 votes; and Kent Wilson, , 4,485 votes. Others received 42 votes.

Elected by APS members to serve a six-year term as a trustee of the American Philatelic Research Library was Rob Haeseler, , who garnered 4,899 votes. John Flannery, , received 4,113 votes. Others received 8 votes.
Posted by knuden   ( 2284 ) on Jun-09-07 at 13:16:11 PDT   Listings
Malolo - Roger, in a Swiss lot I found these 2 items - is there anything special about the cancels?
Item 1
Item 2

K.E   I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-09-07 at 12:49:08 PDT   Listings
Io -
You know, most people just go t a barber to get their hair cut, not to a surgeon. )'>) I wish you a quick recovery.

Roger, who uses razors.
Posted by xzephyr   ( 981 ) on Jun-09-07 at 11:59:42 PDT   Listings
IO Jim and other Machin enthusiasts

I have now received my Prestige Booklets for the 40th anniv of the Machin design. There are 4 pages with stamps.

this is the usual multi value machin sheet, all with 2 phosphor bands sheet stamps are phosphor coated so new stamps here!

this has 2 of the £1 pink with 2 phosxphor lines as well as the original photo – upside down as taken by his ancient camera! I have not yet bought a S/S so do not know if the £1 pink on those are on phosphor paper or have phosphor lines

this has the 1st and 2nd of both sizes. The 1st class of both sizes have 2 phosphor lines (I can’t remember if these have been in booklets previously – if not, then they are new stamps) and the 2nd have 1 line.

this has the special Machin stamps on phosphor coated paper.

These prestige booklets over the years have included many new stamps with lines not otherwise issued.

Colin – trying to be helpful!

Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-09-07 at 05:30:03 PDT   Listings
Thanks Linda & Colin.
It was but minor.

D2
What did they have against the 2d stamp?
Was it a peculiar rate?
Posted by sayasan   ( 652 ) on Jun-09-07 at 05:07:35 PDT   Listings
D1, D2, Linda - Thanks for the memories! Interesting. Linda, thanks for the book title - I'll chase that up.

Sounds as if he's maybe still around. My Burma philatelic biography is a "Who WAS Who". I'm still waiting for a couple of folks to pass on, in order to be included ...

Richard W

Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1348 ) on Jun-09-07 at 04:18:48 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all



Jim L.

member
Posted by de66   ( 1089 ) on Jun-09-07 at 03:44:52 PDT   Listings
just noticed i'm in his feedback and so is my wife
Posted by de66   ( 1089 ) on Jun-09-07 at 03:43:22 PDT   Listings
follow goldfingers feedback to 2003 and note all the stamp sellers
Posted by de66   ( 1089 ) on Jun-09-07 at 03:37:58 PDT   Listings

Gee rings a bell.

One of his many aliases, I had dinner with him at one of his 40+ apartments on the Gold Coast [penthouse of course] he was mastermind in the WA gold coin racket he "borrowed" the master dies of unissued gold coins from the mint and made his own!

He got into revenue for a short while on eBay as 'davidgoldfinger' but his grandson uses it now to buy toy crap.

I run him up to 4g's in a Leskie auction and he never spoke to me again.

Oh dear

How sad


D1
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-09-07 at 03:19:00 PDT   Listings
Linda, I haven't heard of him for years, someone pointed him out to me at an Exhibition about 20 years ago and I think that is the last I have herad of it although there was rumours that some lots of Japanese Occupation of Malaya overprinted in a Sydney Gibbons sale about 3 years ago were his handiwork, whether they were freshly made or not I don't know. A couple of years ago I was told he lived in a mansion on the Northern Beaches somewhere and that he ran various high class brothels,

David B.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 379 ) on Jun-09-07 at 02:39:33 PDT   Listings
Richard I really dont know if he is still alive, he was born in the 1920s, but you should read the book (If you can find it), although it is mainly about the coins. I have not read it for years, but it is gripping reading!

HEADS I WIN The true story of David Gee Australi's Most audacious Coin Forger.By Jeffrey Watson, Don Thomas and Jack Bennett,
ISBN 0 207 15246 2
published by Angus & Robertson Australia & London
1986

David Benson may have heard of Gee in more recent times, I have not heard his name mentioned in coin or stamp circles for well over a decade!

Linda
Posted by xzephyr   ( 981 ) on Jun-09-07 at 02:05:46 PDT   Listings
Jim/IO

Best wishes for a speedy recovery from me too.

Colin the empathetic. (is that a word?)

Posted by sayasan   ( 652 ) on Jun-09-07 at 01:55:08 PDT   Listings
Linda - Thanks! Bizarre. Do you know if he is still alive? I appreciate that most of his work was done with coins, but in among all the Chinese overprints etc he produced a number of Burma peacock overprints, one or two of which are very deceptive, and all of which still cause confusion. So that's my angle of interest.

The only biog I have is from the Robson Lowe pamphlet, which actually says relatively little. It reproduces the dies, but a little patchily, but I'm guardian of a sheet of paper with clearer impressions that look like direct prints from the dies, which we found among Gerald Davis's papers, given to the Burma circle.

Also, I'm compiling short biographical notes on personalities associated with Burma philately. Sounds nerdy, but could be actually quite a useful research tool, I think. So I'd welcome any more you can tell me about his recent history - off board if preferred?

Richard W

Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-08-07 at 22:43:47 PDT   Listings
IO, there was only a short peiod of time when they could have been used, from early 1892 until July 1892 when the Oil Rivers overprints were issued although unoverprinted stamps were valied until September. The stamps would have been supplied by the Royal Niger Companpy which had post offices in the adjoining Niger territories but the consular offices were never issued with 2d. stamps, only 1/2d., 1d., 2 1/2d., 5d., 10d., 1s. & 2s.6 and other values that were used there were not sold at their offices but must have been used by travellers or onboard ships. The total number of 2d. stamps used at the offices in the Territories would most likely be under 10 whilst used in the Protectorate would most likely be less than that. This is the 1st. to be recorded used at Bonny,

David B.
Posted by nomad55   ( 896 ) on Jun-08-07 at 21:38:19 PDT   Listings
The 89 1/2 identifies a specific carrier's route in Chicago. The R probably means Returned, since it was undeliverable at the typed address.
Posted by lluehhhb   ( 276 ) on Jun-08-07 at 20:54:33 PDT   Listings
Any iedas about the meaning of this "89 1/2 R" mark? seems to be a USA one and not Chilean.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 379 ) on Jun-08-07 at 19:11:41 PDT   Listings
ioJim, I wish you a speedy recovery.

cmarsha I have not personally used the Lindner T-system, but any album can only be as good as the stamps they house, and storage is the Key. Albums must be stored 'on end' Not piled on top of each other, and kept free of dust. Room temperature should be fairly consistent, not too hot, cold or damp, and all albums should be viewed regularly to 'circulate the air' around the pages.
Hope some other readers here can be more specific about the Lindner brand.
Linda
Posted by cmarsha   ( 951 ) on Jun-08-07 at 17:48:07 PDT   Listings
Hi, sometime poster with a question: Has anyone used Lindner albums for a period of time and if so was there any issue with mint stamps kept in the plastic sleeves? I bought one of these albums and am pretty happy with it however I am noting some issues with the material that concerns me. They are suposed to be free from PVC however I can see the little rainbow colored puddles under light that I read someplace you get with PVC plastic. They also feel a bit like PVC plastic. On another board someone recounted issues with tagged stamps and the tagging migrating onto the plastic with these albums. That's not an issue with me as I don't collect very recent material but am a bit worried, their website assures they are perfectly safe and they have a good reputation but ny comments would be welcome, thanks.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-08-07 at 17:47:49 PDT   Listings
Back from surgery.

D2

I find it difficult to believe that a post office only had one 2d stamp pass through it. Maybe you mean, only surviving one?
Posted by nomad55   ( 896 ) on Jun-08-07 at 17:18:58 PDT   Listings
To all....the RF board is still not operational.
Everyone should avoid trying to access it until 1covers gives the OK here.
Posted by taodave   ( 137 ) on Jun-08-07 at 17:10:18 PDT   Listings
Roger:

In the past I've ordered from Atlantic Protective Pouches using the e-mail address and telephone number on their website. Are these the ones you have tried? They make a superior product--- I do hope they haven't gone out of business.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1665 ) on Jun-08-07 at 17:06:45 PDT   Listings
jaywild (Jim), thanks for the look.
I'll take a closer look at the two you have concerns about.
Many of that group have certs, so I'll start there.
Barring that, I'll just have to carefully go through the IDing process again.
Posted by jaywild   ( 950 ) on Jun-08-07 at 16:04:01 PDT   Listings
dcderoo… You have some remarkable stamps there. I agree with all of your identifications except two, which I would conditionally question—the 8A (TYPE IIIA) might be a TYPE IA or IC, and the 17 is cut just a little too close (for me at any rate) to tell for sure that it is not a cut-down 36.

Here is your 8A. The red arrow points out the plate flaw which distinguishes relief F stamps, most of which were TYPE III and IIIA. However, your stamp’s design is remarkably complete at the bottom (green arrow) much more so than one might expect for a III or IIIA, in which case it could be a #6 or #6b—alas there’s just not enough of the bottom to see how complete it is. (Even more painful is what looks like a tear through the stamp that has been disguised with a fake cancel smudge, yellow arrow.) I couldn’t find any plate marks, so someone who is more of an expert than me would have to say for sure which type it is.

Also, you have done a masterful job of identifying the #13 and the #16. Not many people can spot these. The plate position of your #16 is 64L1.

Jim
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1665 ) on Jun-08-07 at 15:32:58 PDT   Listings
Okay, got them corrected now (except that the second Sc 001-1 should read Sc 001-2.)
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1665 ) on Jun-08-07 at 15:31:16 PDT   Listings
Sc 001-1
Sc 001-1
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1665 ) on Jun-08-07 at 15:28:47 PDT   Listings
Got most of them corrected. Still have to fix the two Sc 1.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1665 ) on Jun-08-07 at 15:27:11 PDT   Listings
Sc001-1
Sc001-2
Sc 002
Sc 003
Sc 007
Sc 008A
Sc 009
Sc 010
Sc 011
Sc 012
Sc 013
Sc 014
Sc 015
Sc 016
Sc 017
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1665 ) on Jun-08-07 at 15:21:08 PDT   Listings
Fixing my errors. Wait one, please.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1665 ) on Jun-08-07 at 15:18:18 PDT   Listings
Jaywild, thanks.
I'm going to use your opinion (and anyone else's) to calibrate my "eye".

Sc001-1
Sc001-2
Sc003
Sc007
Sc008A
Sc009
Sc010
Sc011
Sc012
Sc013
Sc014
Sc015
Sc016
Sc017

Posted by mini*lindy   ( 379 ) on Jun-08-07 at 15:06:23 PDT   Listings
Richard /sayasan yes, indeed it was Mr Gee and it was 2 fingers actually. Official version is that they were caught in a steel door.
He was actually more a coin forger than stamps, just sort of fitted the conversation yesterday, with Stephen a.k.a. Lewis around!

Linda
Posted by jaywild   ( 950 ) on Jun-08-07 at 14:31:05 PDT   Listings
dcderoo… Yes, by all means post some classic US, although I don’t consider myself a wizard at grading. When I put stamps up for sale I provide a nice big scan so buyers can judge the centering for themselves.

Jim
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-08-07 at 14:30:53 PDT   Listings
roger,

thanks for you kind offer, I will have to decline it.

ps. I liked that Double Geneva on an originally unstamped cover from Milan to Paris.

David B.
Posted by dporter-stamps   ( 473 ) on Jun-08-07 at 14:30:31 PDT   Listings
de66
he does say it has 4 EDGES, (lol) not margins !!!!!!!!
Posted by billsey   ( 847 ) on Jun-08-07 at 14:25:35 PDT   Listings
Roger, I use standard archival page protectors, which I buy at Costco pretty inexpensively. They fit the Letter sized pages well and you can keep the exhibit in a binder when not on show.
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-08-07 at 14:08:22 PDT   Listings
David -
Send me a paper sample, and I'll arrange to have a cover made to enhance the value even more. It will make your page look less sparse. I'll authenitcate it if required. A little "Water Damage" wouldn't hurt, gives a nice aged look.

Roger
Posted by dbenson   ( 8301 ) on Jun-08-07 at 13:57:20 PDT   Listings
Alec,

thanks, I have been looking through some old (and I mean old ) auction catalogues to find similar items. To me there is no doubt the item is unique in many qays, most probably the only 2d. used at that office as well as the only combination piece. It will make the album page look better, it looked a little sparse.

David B.
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-08-07 at 13:41:03 PDT   Listings
Anyone know how to contact the compnay which sells the mylar pouches for exhibits. I have tried for a week via email and phone, but I'm unsuccessful.
Atlantic Protective Pouches is the name of the company. Any ideas where I can buy these "sleeves" would be appreciated?

Roger
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1665 ) on Jun-08-07 at 13:34:36 PDT   Listings
jaywild and anyone else interested, would you be willing to take 10 minutes or so to grade about a dozen US classic stamps for me?
I'll post them if so.
I need a "sanity check" on my grading.
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-08-07 at 13:24:45 PDT   Listings
I guess this seller subscribes to the Power Seller Protection Plan. Looks like the auction will run the full 10 days. Luckily there have been no bites for these stamps with fake cancels. Value SF 1.60 vs used SF 560.00. I guess there is nobody at home either at eBay Safe Harbor, or anyone with influence at APS. Sad!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130119850840

And there are some in APS who wonder why some of us are disallusioned with the APS/eBay affiliation. If this is so difficult to judge, why doesn't someone email me to ask why these are fakes? Reporting auctions of fakes should be a two-way street, and it is not!
Roger
Posted by de66   ( 1088 ) on Jun-08-07 at 12:40:56 PDT   Listings
Question:

When is a 4 margin stamp not a 4 margin stamp?

Answer:

http://cgi.ebay.com/A-V-1-AUSTRALIA-WESTERN-1D-BLACK-SWAN-500-4-EDGES-WOW_W0QQitemZ300117712809


D1
Posted by 1covers   ( 1357 ) on Jun-08-07 at 12:35:46 PDT   Listings
My board has been hi-jacked at the ISP level. Working on it now.
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-08-07 at 12:23:05 PDT   Listings
lluehhhb and David -

Thanks for the info. I disabled Java Script and saw the same post as last night.

I now know how to check in later.

Roger
Posted by lluehhhb   ( 275 ) on Jun-08-07 at 12:15:14 PDT   Listings
Roger

I experience the same since this morning.

Apparently the spammers found a way to "post" a script into the richard's board that redirects to that other site. If you disable javascript from the browser you can see the board, although there are no new posts from yesterday.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Jun-08-07 at 12:11:41 PDT   Listings
malolo...It looks to me like his site has been hijacked.
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-08-07 at 12:01:45 PDT   Listings
Aloha - I just went to visit Richard's Board and the URL switches to a "Scanning Window" which tries to tell me I have problems with my PC. Since I have an Apple that excuse doesn't fly. The window also downloads 27Kb of .exe to "help" me.That goes into the trash immediately. I can't access his Board without this continually appearing. I sent an email.

Is this happening to anyone else, as I could log in to the Board last night?

Roger
Posted by sayasan   ( 652 ) on Jun-08-07 at 11:13:53 PDT   Listings
Now you see him, now you don't.

Linda - "I know of one Forger of postage stamps that had a finger chopped off in prison in Australia, for crimes against other prisoners."

Eh? Is that for real? Couldn't be DG, could it?

Richard W.
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Posted by infla-alec   ( 541 ) on Jun-08-07 at 10:50:31 PDT   Listings
David B Congratulations on the extremely rare Niger Coast item. I knew from comments you have made here before that such items were indeed rare and very much sought after. Though I didn't realise quite how rare they are.

Jaywild /Jim It pleases me no end to know that the item arrived safely and that you will give it a loving new home. Your help in finding US material for another friend of mine in return is also very much appreciated. Now by mentioning & showning your Oct 5 collection here I would assume that others have also found you a few nice items. Many of the board members are I feel that way inclined. By that I don't mean high value covers but just a simple stamp or cover that fills a gap. I'm glad I am not alone in getting a great deal of pleasure from being able to help others with their interests. The social and making friendships aspect of the hobby is one I hope never dies.
Posted by jaywild   ( 948 ) on Jun-08-07 at 10:39:38 PDT   Listings
Dang also contains the letters for the word nag.

Jim
Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on Jun-08-07 at 10:32:22 PDT   Listings
Since there are some here who so freely use this word...

From the American Heritage Dictionary:

dang (dāng)
interj.Used to express dissatisfaction or annoyance.

adv. & adj.
Damn.

tr.v. danged, dang·ing, dangs
To damn.

n. The least valuable bit; a jot: I don't give a dang.
[Alteration of damn.]
Posted by jaywild   ( 948 ) on Jun-08-07 at 09:57:23 PDT   Listings
Io… Here’s one of those Illinois saguaros, enjoying a snow bath…

due2cents... Yep, I have to agree, that was the joke o’ the day!

Jim
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3654 ) on Jun-08-07 at 08:37:18 PDT   Listings

due2 - BIG chuckle!
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Jun-08-07 at 07:20:46 PDT   Listings
maybe Lewis ex con was taken.
Posted by nomad55   ( 896 ) on Jun-08-07 at 06:29:48 PDT   Listings
lewis/jonathan....Welcome back to the land of NARU!!
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-08-07 at 05:10:00 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

Dang, Jim I always thought the Saguaro cactus was endemic to Illinois. :-)
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1345 ) on Jun-08-07 at 05:03:39 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all



Jim L.

member
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 377 ) on Jun-07-07 at 22:02:01 PDT   Listings
NOIP interesting article about shill bidding
Maybe our friends in UK that always bid on each others auctions should read it. (dang! I can't remember their names)

http://www.out-law.com/page-5052

Linda
Posted by jaywild   ( 948 ) on Jun-07-07 at 19:58:11 PDT   Listings
NOIP… Hmm… First off, the city is TUCSON, not TUSCON, and it’s in AZ, not ILL.

Jim
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-07-07 at 18:58:45 PDT   Listings
Let that be a lesson!

Never cut-and-paste a bunch of gobbledy-gook that you have never read!
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-07-07 at 18:53:11 PDT   Listings
Aloha -
I predict that during the next reincarnation, Mr Plagarist will keep his auction titles short, i.e "Switzerland - see scan", such as I've seen recently. The seller's problem being that I will only look at one to know I don't need to look at any others.

Synopsis finished, Title page finished, 128 pages of final proof reading and correct numbering.

Roger
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-07-07 at 17:23:40 PDT   Listings
Im not posting for the next two minutes as protest to the mean and cruel treatment to a retired , wheelchair bound ,diabetic amputee .How mean can you people be?
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-07-07 at 17:06:20 PDT   Listings
please, a large round of applause to Frank Sente of the APS who has pulled the plug on Louie. Frank was informed by one the balconeers that Johhny had reappeared and Frank has now informed him that poor dead Louie has sadly left the land of Ebay,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortein

Louie (AKA Johnny, here is your epitaph, zei gezunt )

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4232493673820188113

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-07-07 at 17:04:03 PDT   Listings
TEXAS SCREWDRIVER = ATTORNEY from Texas ,or a tangy sauce added to a drink ordered in a bar
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3654 ) on Jun-07-07 at 16:38:16 PDT   Listings

jaywild - amazing I had not heard the Texas screwdriver term before, I like that.

Posted by djs127   ( 589 ) on Jun-07-07 at 16:34:58 PDT   Listings
I won these 2 lots Journal The Isreal Philatelist 33 copies 1970s to 90s (230137092735) & Journal The Isreal Philatelist 28 copies 1998 to 2004 (230137095550) and the seller offered to mail them both to me using priority mail flat rate box for $9.25 which he estimates will save me over $10 in postage.
Should keep me busy for a while once they come.
David Snyder
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6190 ) on Jun-07-07 at 16:34:52 PDT   Listings
Welcome to NARU land :)
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-07-07 at 16:15:44 PDT   Listings
Jay,


a good point, Narued members can't use the contact system,

David B.
Posted by riversniper   ( 75 ) on Jun-07-07 at 15:37:46 PDT   Listings
Hello rm. A quick recap: I sent all the boxes I bought to the United states holocaust memorial museum. Thank you for the idea stamps12345. Side note) Fact ebay has no experts of any kind on staff at all, so the dispute game they play is just that. Thanks
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 632 ) on Jun-07-07 at 15:37:36 PDT   Listings
LOL Yep, seems pretty obvious to me!
I think you guys should consider how many helpful hints you are giving this shmuck to better avoid the watchful eye of the pure at heart or at least the philatelic purists.
Posted by jaywild   ( 948 ) on Jun-07-07 at 15:10:27 PDT   Listings
soggy333… It wouldn’t cost the government anything if they had used one of those recently fired prosecutors who were rumored to have been doing nothing anyway…

☺

Jeff S... I take it that stuff in front of you in that pic is bob-wire. That’s what the old timers in Tucson used to call it, but then they also called a hammer a “Texas screwdriver”.

☺

Jim
Posted by lewisxkahn   ( 12 ) on Jun-07-07 at 15:05:42 PDT   Listings
Actually it is Lewis. Nice to see the one of a rich collection of Yiddish cliches used.The one you have used is almost as frequently used as "kosher" which is actually now a Hebrew that came the Yiddish equivalent and has entered the English lexicon as if it was always there.I hope to prove you wrong.Scream foul if there is any item that shouldn't be listed
Zei mir gezunt (be well)
Posted by jaywild   ( 948 ) on Jun-07-07 at 15:04:19 PDT   Listings
“Lewis Kahn”… In a recent post you claimed that when “Jonathan Dean” was struck off eBay he emailed his clients and steered them all to your eBay offerings (as lewisxkahn). But you didn’t register with eBay until April, long after Jonathan Dean got the boot. How could he have referred anybody to an eBay seller who did not, at that time, exist? Was he so psychic that he just knew there would be an eBay seller with that ID before long? Then if he was so psychic, why didn’t he see his own bust coming?

Just wondering…

Jim
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 377 ) on Jun-07-07 at 15:00:20 PDT   Listings
Good morning from a cool, foggy Melbourne. Going to be a gorgeous sunny one again later today!

groan groan I see we have Stephen back. Lucky he's only trying to fleece the American public this time, not selling world wide!! Israeli, wheelchair bound amputee with no post office access.....mmmmmmm interesting. How many more heartstrings can it tug in one auction description??????

I know of one Forger of postage stamps that had a finger chopped off in prison in Australia, for crimes against other prisoners.

On a brighter note I was able to add about a dozen items to my Collection of Ink Related Ephemera this week, and I'm very happy re-arranging collection into a 2nd hand KA-BE album from Germany.

Linda
agreeing with DB's proverb!
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3654 ) on Jun-07-07 at 14:54:28 PDT   Listings

X - I assure you I ain't no yuppie. BTW isn't that term at least a decade old?

Jeff
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Jun-07-07 at 14:53:38 PDT   Listings
Jay

It would cost them easily $30,000 in legal fees to get that $300 out of anyone. I wonder if they ever have?
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-07-07 at 14:52:05 PDT   Listings
NOIP,

a " snitch in time " can save foolish Ebayers from being fleeced,

David B.
Posted by jaywild   ( 948 ) on Jun-07-07 at 14:42:14 PDT   Listings
NOIP… I’ve discovered one place that inflation hasn’t touched at all in over 120 years—the penalty for misuse of the government’s free mail system is still $300 last I heard.

infla-alec... I got your 1866 October 5 cover and I am speechless—it is a true beauty! I am gathering up contemporary used US stamps in return, including the stamp I linked to yesterday that I joked looked like Maggie Thatcher. Thanks again, that is a welcome addition to my collection, and in fact it will replace the 1866 item displayed in the album.

Jim
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-07-07 at 14:36:37 PDT   Listings
lluehhb,

it is an item of the utmost rarity, British stamps were not available in Niger Coast but were allowed to be used until 30th. September 1892. Gibbons cat. the 6d. used at Bonnyt at 750 Pounds whilst the 2d. is not noted although it is listed for some of ther other offices. If that had been for sale at one of the major British sales it would have been estimated in 4 figures (in sterling, my snipe bid was in 4 figures in US),

In collecting Niger Coast since I was 15 I have only seen about 4 items of GB used there and have acquired 2 of them and paid over catalogue value each time,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-07-07 at 14:26:42 PDT   Listings
Louie, if I can call you that,

there are so many coincidences between you and " Johnny " that it is impossible to believe that there are two who act and think like that. I find it hard to believe but anything is possible and if I have made a mistake, then I apologise and all I can say is " zie gezunt ',

David B.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-07-07 at 13:21:59 PDT   Listings
JD/LK or whoever you actually really are, probably there were at least 20 snitchers as you call them. Your English is near perfect just slightly, shall we say, modified to suit the occasion that suits you. Interesting why you should call our comments yuppie, not sure I get that one. I don't see many yuppies here:-) Anyway I can see you have bought his old stock to sell so hope you can shift them before they get washed overboard. Also same MO keeping coming back for more.

A lesson for scam merchants:-

For Sonic readers he was taken into custody and is now on bail. Furthe reading can be had here:-

http://groups.ebay.co.uk/clubboardthread.jspa?forumID=100009734&threadID=18000017027
cheers
Peter
Posted by lewisxkahn   ( 12 ) on Jun-07-07 at 12:35:29 PDT   Listings
D.Benson: I might add that "Johnny" contacted all his repeat customers to say he was stuck off by eBay and recommended those interested in COGH to follow Ebay ID lewisxkahn. I probably do have a bigger and greater variety of stock than he does in this area.Our source is the same.He wished me the best of luck and to avoid this Forum. To me it is an education experience. I have over the 18 months found you to be the most knowledgable and the most responsive to a direct query from the "occasional" eBay seller wanting assistance.I was surprised that you were the snitcher. Is there anything I have listed that contravenes eBay policy?. At the rate I am listing it will require a year of Sundays -very slowly but I have all the time in the world.It is a nice time killer.
Posted by lluehhhb   ( 275 ) on Jun-07-07 at 12:32:45 PDT   Listings
David,

could you explain the importance of that fragment? I know almost nothing about british colonies...
Posted by lewisxkahn   ( 12 ) on Jun-07-07 at 12:23:54 PDT   Listings
X stands for nothing.Lewiskahn was taken if I recall correctly.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-07-07 at 12:15:01 PDT   Listings
I'm a happy little vegemite,

just won this,


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160123052624

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-07-07 at 12:13:59 PDT   Listings
looks like I wasn't the only snitch, someone must have contacted Johhny,

p.s Lewis, just an enquiring mind, what does the X stand for,

David B.
Posted by lewisxkahn   ( 12 ) on Jun-07-07 at 12:07:32 PDT   Listings
Internet forums are wonderful places to be insulting. I am certain that if your Forum was less intimidating and more educational (play your ABC game again for example-it was educational from the spinoffs0 it would attract a larger audience and maybe more than 20 odd regulars.Some of you are very knowledgable and could be a wonderful source of information as for example "isoon's correction" of one of my descriptions was. Yes I do need to read the references I bought and came with other purchases, but most are out of date. What isoon did is why I followed the Forum before immigrating to Israel.I am retired, confined to a wheel chair as a diabetic amputee and it is a wonderful way of passing the time.Some people may like one line descriptions. To me they all are educational experiences for myself and if for other ebayers, well, great.Be less intimidating, hold your yuppie comments in check, and you will get more contributions to the Forum.I for one would like to contribute but am intimidated.English is surprising not my home language, Yiddish is, (the language my parents spoke to me in) and I finally found the D.Benson meaning of "snitched"in a slang dictionary. Ebay tags users as does Paypal, who now are far more closer to eBay in sharing infornmation and can easily see identical users using other names.They don't need "snitchers". I have more than one Jonathan D attribute it seems. Long messages and I can't spell. But seriously all your yuppie comments are a real put off.
Posted by sayasan   ( 652 ) on Jun-07-07 at 11:50:52 PDT   Listings
He joined eBay on April 1st ...
Posted by sayasan   ( 652 ) on Jun-07-07 at 11:45:58 PDT   Listings
Lewis X Kahn's eBay "ME" page is quite interesting reading ...
Posted by sayasan   ( 652 ) on Jun-07-07 at 11:38:56 PDT   Listings
Heh heh heh ...

The "D" in Jonathan D Spence the historian appears to be for "Dermot". So a coincidence. (Unlike all the rest of it!)

Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-07-07 at 11:27:40 PDT   Listings
Snap Jeff what did we do to deserve this, yawn.....
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3654 ) on Jun-07-07 at 11:22:28 PDT   Listings

Louie X - and with that you won't hear from me again.

Thanks, the ol puke bucket is getting pretty full.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-07-07 at 11:22:25 PDT   Listings
Same verbose rubbish as before that we had with JD who also kept saying we wouldn't hear from him again!
Posted by lewisxkahn   ( 12 ) on Jun-07-07 at 10:50:43 PDT   Listings
I am a stickler for eBay rules and equally not aquainted with them. The donation to charity is made through my US bank account on low priced items. It works against "raising money for charity" and will stop it immediately once what is already listed ends. If I had any idea where eBbay donates significant amounts of money , I may opt for their option. Ebay auction sales are not like landbased auction sales where a donar can bid $1000 for a $5 book. In eBay it has to reach that by competitive bidding.It is a waste of effort. Thank you for drawing me to the policy. But since eBay does not give a hoot where the proceed of sales go from your bank account, technically there is no possible violation.I can make that comment as a Doctor of Law but my South African fortune was made on the SA Stock EXchange from one share in particular De Beers. 260,000 bought in the 70's when the bottom dropped out of the diamand industry.It merged with Anglo American at $41 a share and with that you won't hear from me again.
Posted by duncan_doenitz   ( 120 ) on Jun-07-07 at 10:28:26 PDT   Listings
Oh crap. Looks like the BS meter is likely to top out again.

Anyway, seller lewisxkahn seems to have the same problem complying with eBay's rules for charitable sales as did jonathandean8.

Of course legitimate fundraisers could use eBay's Giving Works to comply with eBay's rules and the complicated US laws for charitable fundraising, or they could use eBay's alternate method, as spelled out clearly by eBay:
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Sellers may only list items for charity without eBay Giving Works if they:

Are soliciting on behalf of recognized tax-deductible charitable organizations (for example, 501(c)(3) status or equivalent with the IRS).

Receive advance written consent for the solicitation from the benefiting nonprofit.

To verify you received permission, you must include a scanned copy of the consent in your listing. It must appear with the nonprofit’s letterhead, signed by an officer and include the nonprofit’s tax-deductibility status as well as your name or eBay User ID, dates of event/listings, and donation amount (percentage of the final sale price). It must be large enough to be easily legible, and it must appear as a picture rather than a link.

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Of course some sellers don't need no stinkin' rules, they don't even NAME the supposed charity:

250125507653

Of course the item, a book about the Holocaust, adds immensely to the tug at the heartstrings, about as blatantly inappropriate as one could imagine - along with using one's daughter in the appeal. Seller, have you no shame???

Oh - and I wonder, if one was to contact sellers who shipped items to jonathandean8 and lewisxkahn, if an interesting link to the buyer(s) could be established?

I'm just saying...

-Dunc
Posted by bjornmu   ( 928 ) on Jun-07-07 at 09:42:10 PDT   Listings
Nomad, but the description is correct: the stamp IS cut in half. ;-)
Posted by 22028   ( 1609 ) on Jun-07-07 at 09:29:21 PDT   Listings
iomoon, the German magazine "Der Spiegel" has a wonderful article about the 7 strangest volcanos on their web site, unfortunately in German language.
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/0,1518,486863,00.html
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-07-07 at 08:30:49 PDT   Listings
nomad

It seems that bell2more33 has also hired help that hasn't a clue as to what they are doing.
What is a former 2L19?
Its a simple MLO, probably Mukden.
Posted by nomad55   ( 896 ) on Jun-07-07 at 07:41:25 PDT   Listings
Chuckle of the day.

In my search thru Ruby's listings looking for hidden goodies, I found this....

http://cgi.ebay.com/US-1882-Cover-with-Stamp-Cut-in-Half-Susanville-CA_W0QQitemZ320124312957QQihZ011QQcategoryZ689QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The result of a clueless doofus attempting to describe a cover.
Posted by lewisxkahn   ( 12 ) on Jun-07-07 at 07:40:05 PDT   Listings
iomoon
Thank you. Have just retired and am very rusty 30 odd years have elapsed since I last catalogued anything. Very rusty. Wonderful Form. Have been following not always stamp discussion for the last 18 months on the forum so I note the similarity between Jonathan D and myselespecially COGH material bought from same source. Have nothing to contribute yet. Appreciate the correction.I will need to spend more on lierature You are right there. Feel free to correct all my lots but as I log on to your Forum only every odd or say day may miss correction. Contact me directly.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-07-07 at 06:28:07 PDT   Listings
D2

What really amazes me, is that he also buys lots of philatelic literature and apparently never reads it.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Jun-07-07 at 06:14:44 PDT   Listings
thines...Will this be the last time one can visit the Vermont State Stamp Show without having a passport?
Posted by thines   ( 1482 ) on Jun-07-07 at 06:06:35 PDT   Listings
Come one, come all, to the

Vermont State Stamp Show

Elks Club

Country Club Road

Montpelier VT

Saturday, June 9, 9am - 4pm

As an extra, added attraction, I'll be showing a portion of my Dutch Indies / Indonesia revenue collection.

Terry Hines

Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-07-07 at 06:00:45 PDT   Listings
Jim D2 Don't know if you noticed these words in the middle of that word spam "Bibliography Spence, Jonathan D." hmmmm
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-07-07 at 05:51:29 PDT   Listings
I have a feeling that somne of these covers are going to get wet,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230131524376

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180126636636

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-07-07 at 05:29:49 PDT   Listings
IO,

hmmm., interesting purchase he made,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160121997107

David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-07-07 at 05:28:15 PDT   Listings
This one is even better.

A 23 in diamond for Antrim "very rare if correct".
Probably, but it is a London Inland Branch cancel.
Maltese Cross.
Sorry, it is a Lombard Street tombstone.

At least it didn't get damaged by floating in the Firth of Forth.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-07-07 at 05:27:22 PDT   Listings
IO,

just " snitched " on him,

David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-07-07 at 05:16:09 PDT   Listings
D2

Piece of cake!

What is it about an MO?
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1345 ) on Jun-07-07 at 05:12:19 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all



Jim L.

member
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-07-07 at 05:03:11 PDT   Listings
Io,

I see that you have found Johnathon Dean latest ID,

David B.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3654 ) on Jun-07-07 at 05:00:29 PDT   Listings

I wonder how the winner of this $1 Prexie item feels this morning to see this second one appear.

I believe therer is a lesson to be learned here about going overboard on single franking covers (or multiples of the same value.) Had the first cover been franked with an odd amount, such as $1.96, the value would have been less than $10.

And another question is, how many does the seller have of these?
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-07-07 at 04:55:39 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

Can you say verbose.
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6190 ) on Jun-07-07 at 04:01:39 PDT   Listings
Paul

They are listed in the Scott Specialised catalog as follows :

0351a - $7.50 mint
O356a - $12.50 mint
O361a - $14.00 mint.

Not sure about being in a pair with normal, whether this will add much to the price.
Posted by jaywild   ( 948 ) on Jun-06-07 at 21:59:59 PDT   Listings
Bill S… Thanks! I figured it had to be something like that.

Jim
Posted by billsey   ( 846 ) on Jun-06-07 at 21:57:18 PDT   Listings
Nice El Salvador pairs, Paul. Those are listed in the specialty references and I've seen them a time or two, don't think I've seen them as pairs like that though.
Posted by billsey   ( 846 ) on Jun-06-07 at 21:55:16 PDT   Listings
Jim (jaywild), I'm no US expert, especially on rates, but I've never seen them charge for returning an undeliverable, and address corrections come as a separate piece with the fee paid at the PO or via a due marking. So that cover would be expected to have the $0.98 franking you calculated.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-06-07 at 20:44:45 PDT   Listings
D1,

Just an addendum,

The Judging of Revenue exhibits is very closely related to Traditional,

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-06-07 at 18:57:28 PDT   Listings
neat find ------Here is a nice discovery ,found tonight while relaxing after a good day at work .These stamps which are in pairs with one of each has the misspelling of ATLANTICO as ATLANT CO ....mixture find ....paul
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-06-07 at 18:52:32 PDT   Listings
D1, I didn't know was a school teacher, I thought she was one of the actresses in Wizard of OZ,

Jay made a comment before about bidders educating themselves before bidding, the WA private printing is a case in point,

David B.
Posted by de66   ( 1088 ) on Jun-06-07 at 18:37:33 PDT   Listings
D2

Thanks for sorting this out, i am sure it's just me she likes the power being an ex shcool mistress, i will report back to this board and through my Revenue Review column in Stamp News the outcome.

now we have a naughty boy from Newcastle selling this as an unissued when it is just a 5c cinderella somebody copied them from the WA rail weekley and prunted thousands i have them by the sheet.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Western-Australia-railway-parcel-stamp-unissued-2_W0QQitemZ280121270487

D1
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-06-07 at 18:23:03 PDT   Listings
D1,

just to answer one of your queries from the other day,

The person in question, as far as I know is an International Youth Judge & also a National Thematic & Traditional Judge and I think she may have been putting on her Youth hat when she glimpsed at your exhibit. As far as I am concerned and I know that virtually all the Traditional judges I know and those I have worked with that as long as the exhibit is neat then it will get 4 points. To be downgraded to 3 would mean that there is something in the presentation that should have been rectified.

In Youth & Thematic Exhibiting the judges are much stricter on presentation and annotation,

David B.
Posted by jaywild   ( 948 ) on Jun-06-07 at 18:22:06 PDT   Listings
Usage question… I got this cover in the mail today, sent 8 Mar 1978. I can’t quite account for the rate—first class postage was 13¢, certification 60¢, return receipt requested 25¢ (here), totaling 98¢—but where’s the fee for address correction service, which should have been 25¢ at this date? Was it simply not charged? (I am assuming the $1 stamp was just a convenience franking—what’s 2¢ to a big shot lawyer? ☺)

Jim
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1345 ) on Jun-06-07 at 18:14:35 PDT   Listings
member
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6190 ) on Jun-06-07 at 17:53:03 PDT   Listings
Jeff

Thank you very much. Found exactly what I have here - his is listed at $275 for the complete booklet.

Mark.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-06-07 at 17:46:08 PDT   Listings
SILFRETT Welcome to posting on this board ,try to post more often .What do you collect? What other philatelic interest do you have ?

Don't view some of the off -the - wall remarks as angry postings its just the way somw of us talk. But the use of foul langauge is something that should be stopped as soon as its posted .,hope to see your input more often .....paul

Posted by jaywild   ( 948 ) on Jun-06-07 at 17:39:07 PDT   Listings
NOIP… What’s Maggie Thatcher doing on an American stamp??

☺



Jim
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3654 ) on Jun-06-07 at 17:14:10 PDT   Listings

Cobbie10 - you might take a look at Eric Jackson's revenue site, I don't know the url but it should be an easy google. Perhaps he has a similar listed or could advise you via e-mail. Sounds like a nice item.

Jeff
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3654 ) on Jun-06-07 at 17:11:05 PDT   Listings

Raymond - I recall similar tobacco items going for $3 - $5 dollars, depends if on cover with Philip Morris return address, size of envelope, or if it is a cutout from an envelope. The cigarette topic is a popular one,

Jeff
Posted by richdd820   ( 93 ) on Jun-06-07 at 15:59:24 PDT   Listings
I have off and on been collecting since '39. In "42 I picked up a metered 4 cent "johnny" of philip morris fame.
I no nothing of metered stamps (even if they are collected).
My Q is is this worth saving? and does it have any thing but semental value?
Raymond Parsons
Thanks for any info available...
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6190 ) on Jun-06-07 at 15:58:54 PDT   Listings
Do any of the US Guys know what value would be put on a complete booklet of Atlantic Telegraph Company stamps - 1888 - Scott #2T1 - 2T4. It includes 4 panes of the 1c, 6 pane of the 5c, 5 panes of the 10c and 4 panes of the 25c. The Scott specialised that I have (2004 ) does not give any values for a pane, let alone a complete booklet.

Mark.
Posted by rclwa   ( 966 ) on Jun-06-07 at 15:54:02 PDT   Listings
The thing I find intriguing about the Star Wars stamps is that they depict good likenesses of Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, etc, who are real living people. I thinbk a sheet autographed by them would probably gain considerable interest as time goes by.

Still at library, 1 hour/day.

Bob in WA
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3654 ) on Jun-06-07 at 14:41:23 PDT   Listings

While there are certainly more new listings in US postal history taking advantage of the 10-cent gallery image promotion I am a bit surprised it is not more. I think at 10-cents it is a bargain and certainly more effective for a seller than 10-cent listing days.

I know as a buyer, a quick pic is worth a whole page of fine print... you know what I mean
Posted by sillfrett   ( 0 ) on Jun-06-07 at 14:38:23 PDT   Listings
infla-alec

You're quite right, I removed my post. Hardly the place to explain grammar to someone that tells a board member to "GFY" over a typo. Back to lurking.

Posted by infla-alec   ( 541 ) on Jun-06-07 at 14:16:05 PDT   Listings
Cause for concern
Sad to say the board appears to be resuming the mentality of personal attacks and insults.
I could understand some of you guys not liking each other if you had actually ever met. But really if you feel the need to have a pop at someone's postings or even style of them why not keep your disagreements private & conduct your affairs via e-mail ?
It's no use saying just ignore, "such" posts. The damage has already been done.
I know I have said this before but I really do wish people would consider the effect their comments may have before actually posting them here. Quite simply this isn't the place to argue. Please do try to remember that the majority here simply don't want to see such a bad atmosphere being created.
Posted by jaywild   ( 948 ) on Jun-06-07 at 14:04:10 PDT   Listings
D2… What it all comes down to is that the buyer of stamps need to educate himself as to what he is buying, whether on eBay, from a dealer, at a yard sale or out of the trunk of someone’s car. If anyone greedily snaps up supposed rare stamps without bothering to consider that they, rather than the seller, is the pigeon, I find it hard to scare up any sympathy. Venality works both ways—the crooked seller is not much worse than the guy who greedily forks over too much money in the mistaken belief that he’s ripping “Uncle Shelby” off.

Jim
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3654 ) on Jun-06-07 at 13:34:34 PDT   Listings

After going through 3 sheets of Star Wars stamps, including one which I used up in making my "commercial" FDCs, I just noticed the large Darth Vader stamp at the top left.

Think I simply deserve the big DUHH award.
Posted by jaywild   ( 948 ) on Jun-06-07 at 13:33:36 PDT   Listings
D2… Yep, I agree 100%—backstamping forgeries is ludicrous, and eBay’s insistence on the practice has much more to do with covering its *ss than any legitimate concern over consumers getting ripped off. EBay and APS have adopted this policy and are trying to make people think they are marching arm in arm into the future, when in fact they are marching in a circle. I have my own past reasons for dissociating myself with APS; now my hunches about them have been bolstered.

Jim
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-06-07 at 12:31:57 PDT   Listings
Jaywild,

re. your reply,

" It is quite difficult to convincingly create a grill that adheres to the known properties/qualities of the genuine article "

and exactly the same holds true with 99% of all the other fakes & forgeries offered on Ebay whether backstamped or not. Anyone with experience can easily tell the difference, the reason why Ebay/APS agreed to the backstamping farce is that there could be no doubt, even for beginners to know what they are bidding on. If it is one rule for Grills and one rule for other types of fakery then the system has failed.

David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-06-07 at 12:10:16 PDT   Listings
Good day all, from a cool and sunny Scarsdale.

I wouldn't normally do this but prochute, what is your problem?

I happen to like the English language, I dislike people writing on the chatboard in caps and even less when they write with no caps. I have edited more articles and books than you have probably ever read, unless you are significantly older than me. I do not watch the screen when I type, so if I miss a key, or it sticks, voila, a typo.

dutchman is no newcommer to the board, I have answered his questions on Treaty Ports on several occasions. However, when you rarely respond to questions asked on the board, it is often difficult to remember who has posted. That is an excuse for you, not me. Like Jeff stated yesterday, are we to spoonfeed people by doing their research for them?

I have some sympathy (not much) for people who come to the board and ask inanswerable questions, such as "what are my stamps worth" without giving any indication as to country of origin or time frame. Only that they were from my childhood collection or I bought them at a yard sale, or I found them in the attic. Eight years of such questions at least four times a week does not lead to answering with stunning revelations or great wit.
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-06-07 at 11:20:43 PDT   Listings
flip138 -
Not likely those cancels were added at a later date. The cancel had a water base look, and not like the inks used at Swiss post offices. One must consider that the stamps are almost worthless uncanceled, but catalogue at about SF500 used. Tom Foolery and a fake cancel. I’ve seen other nasties from that seller.

Roger
Posted by bjornmu   ( 928 ) on Jun-06-07 at 10:20:31 PDT   Listings
dcderoo, I'm the collector of cancels with errors, thanks. I've already found it myself, and may not bother to outbid the current bidder for it, as I've got plenty of US items with inverted years already. :-)

I've bought several items from this seller before.
Posted by jimbo   ( 395 ) on Jun-06-07 at 08:41:41 PDT   Listings
routing = routine
Posted by jimbo   ( 395 ) on Jun-06-07 at 08:40:47 PDT   Listings
illusia,
Jim, in his message 08:09:37 PDT, had some good advice. One way to really find out is to put items up for auction. Other ways are to search history of similar items.

Herman Herst used to say that there was a market for everything. eBay has proven that for most everything. The only distinguishing characteristic is price.

jimbo
PS: Am I the only one who has trouble getting messages to post? I have to go through a routing of Save my Message!, wait 'til it's obvious nothing is going on, hit stop button, refresh page, then hit Save my Message! again. It's a real eBay pain in the keister!
Posted by jimbo   ( 395 ) on Jun-06-07 at 08:34:25 PDT   Listings
Jeff
You win the award for the most insight of the day: ". . . when I have to try to use my brain, it often prefers neutral to any forward gear." It's a malady which many of us share as indicated by the other postings of this morning. . . .

jimbo
Posted by iillusia   ( 9 ) on Jun-06-07 at 08:30:00 PDT   Listings
I could make an auction easy,but i would like know first is anybody interested in it?Thats why i post message first.

P.S.anyway thank you for rules explanations ;)
Posted by jaywild   ( 948 ) on Jun-06-07 at 08:10:30 PDT   Listings
Ooops… Looks like iillusia already got the hook…

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 948 ) on Jun-06-07 at 08:09:37 PDT   Listings
D2… In my experience, the backs of faked US grilled stamps are never marked. The fake grills almost always speak for themselves. It is quite difficult to convincingly create a grill that adheres to the known properties/qualities of the genuine article.

iillusia... This is the wrong place to hawk your wares. There is a rule spelled out in red writing above which states NO BUSINESS PLEASE, which means you can offer your stamps as eBay auction lots, but not flog them here without paying eBay their customary cut. Makes sense, doesn’t it? So get busy and scan some stamps and put them up for auction. If anyone is interested they will bid on them.

Jim
Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on Jun-06-07 at 07:18:41 PDT   Listings
I apologize for my sentiment toward the professor who many. many, many times has chased folks away from this board with excuses such as, "syntax, grammer, misssspellled words, "I don't understand", etc. when, in fact, the professor types Shanghai as Shanhai and expects a newcomer to understand. There is simply NO excuse for that. If he had a job where typing was essential, he would be fired over repeated mistakes like that. But to hide behind excuses is childish at best rether than speaking up like a man as Paul often does.

So MITCH Do you pick everyone elses' nose? Kissing up to Benson, you say? Get real, he knows his stuff and so do I but am far more specialized than he. I only get annoyed with the nonsense that oft flows here. I come to read about philately which was once the scenario here but all to often...

Well you know, Sr. predisent falso de un club falso, don't you?
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3654 ) on Jun-06-07 at 05:42:42 PDT   Listings
sigh

I am a slave to cut and paste and when I have to try to use my brain, it often prefers neutral to any forward gear.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3654 ) on Jun-06-07 at 05:37:03 PDT   Listings

damm

try again
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3654 ) on Jun-06-07 at 05:34:50 PDT   Listings

NOT WITH THE PROVERBIAL 10-FOOT POLE
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1665 ) on Jun-06-07 at 05:04:08 PDT   Listings
I know there's at least one regular in here who collects covers with errors in the cancellation.
Just as an FYI, here's one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=005&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=150129272231&rd=1&rd=1

Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-06-07 at 04:55:40 PDT   Listings
Vinnysf Don't count your chickens try viewing all the negs on him via toolhaus.org. This has to rate as a very poor seller.
Peter
Posted by vinnysf   ( 475 ) on Jun-06-07 at 04:45:17 PDT   Listings
thanks claghorn. good to know he will come through.

i have a few 2c washingtons that have a line through the T and C of cents. is this an error? here is the "t" and here is the "c"
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1345 ) on Jun-06-07 at 03:27:44 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all



Jim L.

member
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-06-07 at 02:32:20 PDT   Listings
Are many faked Grills on US stamps backstamped or indelibly marked,

David B.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Jun-06-07 at 02:11:52 PDT   Listings
KenPossum I was being a wise guy. I took a bad idea to its illogical extreme to prove the point that marking stamps in the first place is a bad idea.

vinnysf that seller does not reply to emails as he is a volume seller. Be patient and hopefully you will be surprised. If the item does not come, it is likely US customs and not the seller at fault.

Be careful about quality and genuineness before bidding. He passes items through and does not check them. I bought many forgeries from him. I knew what they are from the scan and bid accordingly and got a great deal. I bought what I saw and did not care about the backs of the stamps.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Jun-06-07 at 01:39:46 PDT   Listings
vinnysf I have bought from pesserstamps several times and it always came in. His packing is not great and it takes a long time for the international mail, but it always came in at the end.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Jun-06-07 at 01:38:21 PDT   Listings
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Posted by vinnysf   ( 475 ) on Jun-06-07 at 01:05:59 PDT   Listings
has anyone ever bought anything from an ebay seller named "pesserstamps" ? he has 96% feedback. i won and paid for an auction of his a month and half ago and no stamps and no responses to my emails. i figure i got a 50% chance of getting my stamps.
Posted by flip138   ( 379 ) on Jun-06-07 at 00:30:52 PDT   Listings
malolo

Roger, regarding the Neuchatel post-1903 cancels, is it possible that somebody simply found and used up some old stamps 20+ years later, or had them cancelled by favour? Or is there something about the cancel itself that makes it different from the genuine (post-1903) one?

Phil - still learning!
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-06-07 at 00:21:12 PDT   Listings
Ken,

here is the link to Virtual Stamp Club, good luck, you'll need it,

http://forums.delphiforums.com/stamps/messages


David B.
Posted by kenpossum   ( 923 ) on Jun-05-07 at 22:50:47 PDT   Listings
Jeff Excellent suggestion to communicate directly with APS candidates. You have a link for this?

Claghorn I would be careful marking any stamp on the back - forgery or genuine. It puts a tremendous responsibility to be right, and that is often not the case. Even the experts change their opinion as new info comes their way. Example - for 110 years, the experts recognized only one genuine Ottawa crown cancel - the one illustrated in the proof book. My research for a reference book on these has concluded that there are four more unrecognized genuine hammers. How many genuine stamps have been marged as Fake by collectors, dealers, and expert committees? Dangerous to put a pen in one's hand unless you can accept the consequences of being wrong. That is what is wrong with the APS / eBay policy re: marking stamps. It puts the seller in a position that requires him/her to be 100% correct when a stamp is marked on the back. Even the APS Expert Committee will not claim to be correct 100% of the time. Who pays for the mistake? Recently bought on eBay Peru no 1 as a forgery. It was genuine. We can not be experts in every item we sell, but that is the expectation when we are told to mark forgeries on the back.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 928 ) on Jun-05-07 at 22:34:22 PDT   Listings
I also tend to agree with prochute in that wilderspin should have done some checking before putting up such an expensive and commonly forged stamp. But he did the right thing in offering a refund of course, and provided a good scan of the stamp.

OTOH, I also question the action of the high bidder(s). The tell-tale characters that philatarium pointed out are clealry visibile in the scan (or so it seems) and I would have thought serious Japan collectors (in Japan) would know what to look for.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 632 ) on Jun-05-07 at 21:55:29 PDT   Listings
brandocomando84 Welcome to the stamp board!
Your question is a common but not an easy one to answer. If you scroll down the board to 21:05:02 PDT, you will find a block known as the yellow boxes. Much of the information there is meant to help people in situations such as yours.
Be advised that most collections are worth very little! There are very few pots of gold passed down.
Posted by brandocomando84   ( 11 ) on Jun-05-07 at 21:24:01 PDT   Listings
Hi guys! I am trying to sell some old stamps that were passed down to me. Does anyone know a good website that is good to use for searching for stamps and getting their value? I know nothing about stamps and need to do a little bit of research before I dive in!
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1345 ) on Jun-05-07 at 20:44:34 PDT   Listings
If Judges were paid it’s possible that they might be held to a higher level of accountability for their actions. But, I for one and very grateful for the judges who give of their time, knowledge and often pay their own expenses to judge a show. Many times their responsibilities means they have very little time at the dealers tables or for attending seminars, excepting the judging seminar, or meetings. What few benefits they receive for judging fall far short of the value of their time and expertise. Most judges should get a pat on the back and our appreciation and respect for the work they do.

Jim L.

member
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-05-07 at 20:42:29 PDT   Listings
Mitch, no I didn't comment on that and Prochute should get a rap over the knuckles for making it,

David b.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 632 ) on Jun-05-07 at 20:31:28 PDT   Listings
Paul I find myself in 100% agreement with you on those two points!

D.B. Do you also agree with the statement that Io should "GFY".
I find it odd that this fellow seems to hate everyone and has taken stabs at most here, lately though he's been sucking up to you. I wouldn't want to see it go to your head. Cripes, until lately he was standing up for Paul but recently has slammed him several times.........go figure.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-05-07 at 20:31:04 PDT   Listings
D1, as far as Revenue Judges I have to agree with you that the British Judges have the edge but overall there are many good judges and many bad judges.

I don't want to get involved with Synopsises as they have their good points and bad. My opinion of them is not very high until they can come up with a printed synopis form that makes it an even playig field for everyone and not give the advantage to the one who can brag the most when writing up a fancy synopsis. I can't comment on Gary's synopsis as I wasnt there and I don't know if it was mentioned that the synopsis whould be studied by the judges. The idea is good, it gives the exhibitor a chance to state the improvements since the last time the enrty was exhibited. I will bring up the matter at the NAPE meeting in Sydney if there is time and you should also have your 2 1/2d.'s worth about griping about Revenue Judges as there should be a couple present.

I don't know about asking questions to an exhibitor, I can't see anything wrong with it and I don't think it is mentioned anywhere in any rules. It would most probably be beneficial to the exhibitor.

PLEASE DO NOT JUDGE EVERYONE ON THE WAY THAT ONE PARTICULAR PERSON ACTS, NOT ALL ARE LIKE HER, THANK G-D,

p.s. I shouted on purpose as I think she is deaf,

David B.
Posted by de66   ( 1088 ) on Jun-05-07 at 20:16:43 PDT   Listings
D2

My experience of judges judging my material is that the UK boys are far more experienced than down here.

I went on to mention to 'you know who' that I have had my exhibits pre judged by an international revenue judge so have a rough idea what to expect but the answer came back well that particular judge is not judging so expect something else. Just when will judges all work to a criteria rather than it depends what side of the bed they get out of in the morning.

At the 2006 South Australia show I even had one of the judges ask me questions about my exhibit while he was still judging, now I thought that was a definite no no?

If we exhibitors had a piece of paper stating how a judge will go about judging an exhibit and all judges stick to it then I think we will all be better of.

I have had my fair share of listening in on judging and I just have to shake my head sometimes.

How about Gary Watson sending a synopsis along to a show and the judges did not even bother to read it. Just who do these judges think they are?

I think it's about time there was a good shake up in judging arena and make them all accountable for there actions and if they cock up they should be penalised on a sliding points scale and be made sit a refresher course and if failed they should be kicked out.

But then that’s only my opinion for what its worth.

D1
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-05-07 at 20:10:43 PDT   Listings
sorry but I have to agree with Prochute,

A seller with Wilsderpin's experience should have known that all stamps of Japan of that period are regarded as forged unless proven genuine and that enquiries could have been made prior to the listing of the item. If he had shown the scan here I am sure that there would have been some who would have informed him it was a forgery.

David B.
Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on Jun-05-07 at 20:08:26 PDT   Listings
stamps12345You are confusing constuctive critizism with something else in your mind. I've know about early Japanese forgeires for decades now. Unlike you, I have never been a worldwide collector/accumulator/hoarder but made choices years ago to specialize. I speak no "gutter" language. Don't you pave gutters?
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-05-07 at 19:59:34 PDT   Listings
PROCHUTE Don't be so hard on Wilderspin ,none of us know everything about every countries stamps ,he did the right thing for his customer and I complement him on that .Im sure we all learned something from the Philatarium link ,even you

Besides hold the gutter language ,its not the place for that here .

Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on Jun-05-07 at 19:28:11 PDT   Listings
wilderspin When selling older Japanese material it pays to know what you are selling! Many are forged with sanko characters. Had you put it up correctly you would have had a sale.

If you happen to be a member of the APS, you can get the ISJP CD from the APRL...
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-05-07 at 18:22:24 PDT   Listings
D1,

please apologise for your comments generalising what judges do just because you live in the land of the bent banana doesn't mean that all judges act like that,

Joan is wrong that Commissioners have an input in anything, they don't unless they are also on the judging team.

Most sensible judges allocate the presentation points first by having a look at all the entries in the section they are judging. Once they do that it is easy to group them into 3s., 4s. or 5s. Usually 5 is for including detailed illustrations and not just text although many entries with text only can get a 5.

Luckily there are not many around like her and usually the judges work in harmony,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8295 ) on Jun-05-07 at 18:15:07 PDT   Listings
postal, good idea to mention it on Virtual Stamp Chat however I don't think the discussion will last long before it comes to an abrubt halt which always occur when the discussion revolves around something that certain people don't want discussed,

David B.
Posted by philatarium   ( 232 ) on Jun-05-07 at 15:42:10 PDT   Listings
Ok, it's official. I cannot post on this board. I used FrontPage, then tediously edited out the extra paragraph breaks in "Practice Poster", and it still looks like c**p. (Since Practice Poster apparently adds in linebreaks, which I also thought I had edited out in the eBay posting window.) Arrrgh!!

Apologies ...
Posted by philatarium   ( 232 ) on Jun-05-07 at 15:36:08 PDT   Listings
wilderspin:  Those forgeries were designed to be both legal and deceptive.

Virtually hidden in the design are the Japanese characters quot;sankoo"
(pronounced like "san - co"), meaning "reference".  They are quite easy to
miss, and could be in several different places on the stamp, depending on the stamp design and the forger. They're called "signed forgeries".  
(There are other forgeries, even more troublesome, without any characters at all, called, "unsigned forgeries.")

To add insult to injury, a fake cancel was often applied so that it would mask the characters, so one really needs a
good magnifier (or a good scanned image) to spot them.

Here is where the characters were concealed on your stamp. 

This is a very tough area, and I'm still pretty clumsy at finding them myself, unless I have the stamp right in front of me (along with a high-powered magnifier), although after a while, they started jumping out at you.  
Collectors who really know what they're doing can often spot forgeries just by the fake cancel or the printing quality.  (I'm nowhere near that good yet.)

The ISJP (International Society for Japanese Philately) has published a high-level summary of these challenges on their website (in addition to a very detailed CD available for purchase). 
Here's the page that
illustrates the characters, and here's the
page showing
where they are often located for your particular stamp. 
(Unfortunately, it's not a large enough image to be helpful, but if you navigate
around to other pages, you can see some larger images that show the characters
to better advantage.)

I really commend you both for providing a large image and for agreeing to refund the purchase.  (Many sellers do neither.)

-- Dave
Posted by willderspin   ( 688 ) on Jun-05-07 at 14:41:29 PDT   Listings
Talking about fakes, I just sold this one

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&viewitem=&item=320113371581&rd=1&rd=1

as genuine. Fortunately someone with a real knowledge of Japanese stamps was able to inform me and the buyer is being refunded. Grrrr, I hate old Japanese stamps.
Posted by jaywild   ( 948 ) on Jun-05-07 at 13:57:21 PDT   Listings
NOIP… Apparently this cover was sent before noon…

☺

Jim
Posted by vinnysf   ( 475 ) on Jun-05-07 at 12:12:31 PDT   Listings
Shanghai is in France! everyone knows that!
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-05-07 at 12:05:54 PDT   Listings
Earlier there was discussion anout the deviousness of sellers who know they have fake material. A rough "google" translation on those pages below states:
"In an enormous stamp collection we found the shown stamps. Since all stamps, letter, cards and blocks are unchecked, we assume for safety's sake in principle it concerns reproduction etc. As reference values or as optical revaluation at any time suitably."

Isn't this a longwinded manner of saying "As is, and it never occurred to us to check a Double Geneva on cover, especially since it is a very rare Italian use of the stamp, previously unkown."

Roger
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-05-07 at 11:51:35 PDT   Listings
How many problems are there with the top cover in this auction? -
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280121634553

How about the country of origin of this top cover?
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280121649421

Pick your favorite fantasy fake here -
http://search.ebay.de/_W0QQsassZjenie24QQhtZ-1

Replicas are sold on eBay Germany.

That ends today's report.

Roger
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-05-07 at 11:42:49 PDT   Listings
Ruby also misdescribing this one
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRITISH-CENTRAL-AFRICA-Sg-55-Used-w-F-8-at-Back_W0QQitemZ320122338155QQihZ011QQcategoryZ263QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Up for the second time around after being told, it is actually SG 56 with a CV of £120, but with the right margin missing worth about £15 if they are lucky.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-05-07 at 11:30:49 PDT   Listings
Isn't Shanghai near Bali Hai?

Rubystamps has misdescribed Manchukuo up for the fourth time.
At least people have the common sense not to buy it.
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-05-07 at 11:27:00 PDT   Listings
Missed three keys - LOL. One sometimes hear that in Hawaii.
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-05-07 at 11:24:21 PDT   Listings
Aloha -

Here's an example showing how eBay is neglecting to follow up in a timely manner.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=130119850840
I sent an email to the seller on May 30 informing them the cancels were fake and did not exist during the period the stamps were available. No response since that time!

I followed up on June 2 to teh Stamp Watch Committee link with this email:

"Message: The cancels on these stamps are fake. The design of the cancel
was not issued until November 1903. These stamps are 1881.

See here for history of the real cancel:
http://www.ilhawaii.net/~rheath/razorexhibit2006/3_page07.html

I notified the seller and there has been no response."

Still no response from either entity!

Two more auctions with misleading descriptions and the messages I sent to a different seller:

Item title: SWITZERLAND RAREST EMBOSSE FRAGMENT MH
Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110134756002
End date: Sunday, Jun 10, 2007 13:45:20 PDT

"This is a cut square of a regular Swiss embossed postal
envelope. There were millions printed, and they were never
cancelled since the Swiss were smart enough to know that once
an envelope was used it couldn't be used a second time without
the address being crossed out."

Item title: SWITZERLAND RAREST EMBOSSE FRAGMENT MH
Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=11013475604

In my opinion eBay is slow to react because they stand to lose income. These three auctions, if successful, will lead fees collected for $80 in realized prices and $8.00 in shipping fees to the sellers. The collectors will be out $88 for bidding on four misdescribed stamps, two of which are fake!

I don't know why I keep up the pretense of trying to help others not get scammed when THE major auction corporation and OUR national philatelic society keep blowing off reports with lame excuses. I no longer report outright fakes of Swiss souvenier sheets, they are too numerous, and heaven help collectors of 20th century German overprinted items.

Roger
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-05-07 at 11:23:17 PDT   Listings
Jim Agree 100% but I guess Geography not his strong point, would have let you off if you spelled it Shanghae!
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-05-07 at 11:20:24 PDT   Listings
prochute

missing a key is not a spelling mistake.
Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on Jun-05-07 at 11:17:10 PDT   Listings
iomoon SHANHAI?? Oh, come now. Even a professor can't spell. No "typo excuses" please... (;-))))
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-05-07 at 11:12:04 PDT   Listings
Peter

It is hard to take someone seriously when they don't even know where Shanghai is located.

Anyway, speaking of getting others to do research for you, if anyone can come up with any biographical information on Karl Heinrich Emil Georg Busz or Viktor Viktorovich Dubyanski (in English), I'd appreciate it.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-05-07 at 09:53:34 PDT   Listings
and I fogot to say try here and go forth and read!
http://www.island.net/~rjbw/hktp.html
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-05-07 at 09:51:01 PDT   Listings
Dutchman If you collect HK seriously then you need to buy a copy of Yangs all treaty port info is in there:-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HK-Yangs-Postage-Stamp-Postal-History-2007yr-Catalogue_W0QQitemZ270090476113QQihZ017QQcategoryZ3487QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
cheers
Peter
Posted by urbman1973   ( 20 ) on Jun-05-07 at 09:37:54 PDT   Listings
jaywild...thank you for your feedback on #707.
Posted by 19thcentpostal   ( 185 ) on Jun-05-07 at 09:21:36 PDT   Listings
Hmmm, okay... How about facsimile die proofs and C is for confederate1 Lynn
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-05-07 at 08:48:21 PDT   Listings
dutchman

Go to google.
Type in Shanhai China, hit return.
Above the word "google" you will see the blue underlined word "map".
Click on it.
When map comes up you may have to zoom out because images of area aren't great.
Then click on word "hybrid" above right.
Use directions to determine distance to Hong Kong.

If you have dial-up, it might take a while.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3654 ) on Jun-05-07 at 08:44:59 PDT   Listings

dutchman...

so you basicly want everyone else to do your research for you...

Claghorn - I have been up to my ears in covers for so many years I wouldn't have guessed it was being done! Thanks for the info.
Posted by dutchman2006   ( 121 ) on Jun-05-07 at 07:52:44 PDT   Listings
I am collector of the Hong Kong Treaty Ports, and would like to get help from fellow stamp collectors. I am trying to do a write up on the Hong Kong Treaty Port - Shanghai. What I would like to know about Shanghai is where is it located, how far from Hong Kong, when Shanghai, under British rule was opened and when it closed. I would also like to know what postmarks where used for Shanghai under British rule, etc.

Thankyou for all information you can give me in this regard.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Jun-05-07 at 06:53:30 PDT   Listings
Here the BPP explains it. Go down to section 6

http://www.bpp.de/pages/pordnung.html#6.%20Signierung%20echter%20Prüfgegenstände
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Jun-05-07 at 06:46:58 PDT   Listings
Jeff PostalHysteria The photo does not say this, but the worse the condition of the stamp with thins or tears or such, the higher the indelible mark is from the bottom.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Jun-05-07 at 06:44:56 PDT   Listings
http://www.filatelia.fi/experts/marks/falsch.jpg
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Jun-05-07 at 06:44:24 PDT   Listings
Jeff PostalHysteria now, today, GPS marks stamps indelibly as reperfed or thinned. The position of the indelible marks indicates this.

http://www.brunphilatelie.com/doc_PositionSignature.pdf

http://www.filatelia.fi/experts/photo/bpp.gif
Posted by vinnysf   ( 475 ) on Jun-05-07 at 06:35:14 PDT   Listings
i know i've learned quite a bit from personal experience about ebays forgeries policy... from what i understand: "reprints" are genuine. they are not forgeries. "reproductions" are forgeries as well as facsimilie's. am i right?

and ebay does like to pick on people. i don't know what exactly their criteria is but they definitly single out people by pulling their listings and allowing others that are worse to continue.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3654 ) on Jun-05-07 at 05:51:50 PDT   Listings

All the complaining on this chat board about eBay's random policies on fakes etc seems to be pointless in that eBay apparently could care less what anyone here thinks; nor do any APS officers who might be in a position to listen and enact any policy changes appear here.

Why not direct complaints/suggestions to the APS candidates on the Virtual Chat Club directly to them by name. There are several including one president candidate who is active there. Put them on the spot and see what their interest is, or if they have any knowledge of the current "rules" (or if they have any interest at all).

Anyone who would indelibly mark on the back that a stamp is fake or the like is an idiot. What next, marking "reperfed at top", "thinned", "cancel removed" etc from real stamps??

Jeff
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-05-07 at 05:32:37 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

Ken

It is a mindset.
One would assume that eBay in its efforts to make money, can distinguish the words forgery, fake and reprint as they relate to cash.

Place the same words in the context of stamps and they are in deep quicksand with no rope to hold on to. Bogged down and overwhelmed!
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Jun-05-07 at 03:16:43 PDT   Listings
kenpossum Why not do as the GPS does and mark the Genuine stamps as such also on the back.
Posted by kenpossum   ( 923 ) on Jun-04-07 at 23:44:23 PDT   Listings
Gosh my typos embarass me some days "marking pen" not "pet" in the message below.
Posted by kenpossum   ( 923 ) on Jun-04-07 at 23:42:52 PDT   Listings
Reprints - Why not mark them on the back as REPRINT in ink just as we are supposed to do with fakes and forgeries. Well ... take a look at 190088338073 US No, 42 Buy it Now for $4,249.99 It is only one of many classic US reprints that appear on eBay and yes, none are required to be marked. Now, if all the common reprints were required, I suppose eBay would be asking the sellers of these high value reprints to do the same. The sellers reaction would certainly be "Take your d__m marking pet and stick it you know where!" Right? Then they would take their high value lots elsewhere, leaving eBay a few $$ less listing fees etc. Money talks. eBay and the APS does not have the kahoonas to step into this area. I could be way off base here, but that is how I see it. Now the sharp sellers are listing their forgeries as "REPRINT". No marking the back, no pulled lots. Didn't see that one coming did we?
Posted by kenpossum   ( 923 ) on Jun-04-07 at 23:29:53 PDT   Listings
Forgeries on ebay consider this lot still in progress. 320120982372 A 3d Newfoundland Spiro forgery. It will not be pulled by the APS as it is described as a genuine. If the seller took the honest approach and listed it as a FORGERY, the APS and eBay would have pulled it. As it stands the auction will end and some novice buyer will think he/she go a great bargain. Go figure. Maybe one of the suits at the next APS convention can explain how this new approach benefits us all.
Posted by de66   ( 1088 ) on Jun-04-07 at 22:59:09 PDT   Listings
D2

All i am saying is why does ebay just pick on forgeries when there are reprints to consider. Die proofs, proofs, essays & unaccepted essays do belong as they are part of the production of an issued stamp. Reprints were done for parliamentary and collector packs with the balance sold off in bulk to dealers etc. As i said before they are Ok if you are wallpapering the office. I still stand firm in that reprints have no place in an exhibit other than to pretty it up for the unsuspecting judge who knows nothing about what he is judging in front of him but he sees great blocks of reprints which opens his eyes so at the critique all he can talk about is the presentation.

Talking about Presentation the short judge up here had a go at me for my presentation on my two exhibits i gave her for the Sydney show in a couple of weeks, amasingly she must have ex-ray vision as she arrived at a points level just by counting the pages in each frame from one corner only. When i mentioned 4 points she said the Commissioner has a say in the final points allocated to an exhibit and mine will not make 4.

D1
Posted by de66   ( 1088 ) on Jun-04-07 at 22:45:06 PDT   Listings
D2

The seller of the Tonga SG51 Used had a Queensland collection on split up into single i brought over 30 of the lots in two packets both registered to me BOTH apparently went missing!!

D1
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1344 ) on Jun-04-07 at 21:51:40 PDT   Listings
member
Posted by keleofa   ( 3460 ) on Jun-04-07 at 21:48:50 PDT   Listings
Kristilou,

The quick, short answer is "Yes, it's worth listing".

With more information we can probably advise better.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by kristilou1   ( 52 ) on Jun-04-07 at 21:07:21 PDT   Listings
is it worth putting stamps of 4 blocks from the 50s on ebay
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Posted by mini*lindy   ( 374 ) on Jun-04-07 at 20:47:23 PDT   Listings
I am Mitch! :o)

Angela, this is a great place to ask specific questions about stamps, and along with all the helpful links and hints in the area called the YELLOW BOX (scroll back to see it), as much information as can be given on a question as broad as yours.
If you have a question about a single item, it is usually answered within 12 hours. Broad sweeping questions about collections such as you have can only be answered in very general terms, and I think the board regulars here tonight have given you some useful advice.
the more informative your descriptions are the more buyers you are likely to attract to the auction, and particularly with stamp buyers, they rely on certain searches to find items for their collection.
Stating I HAVE ONE OF THESE [photo]
is ok, and may find a buyer, but its a big pond out there with millions of fishies(buyers).. you need good bait to catch one

Linda
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 632 ) on Jun-04-07 at 20:40:57 PDT   Listings
Just checking in to make sure everyone is behaving their selves.
Posted by riversniper   ( 75 ) on Jun-04-07 at 19:40:34 PDT   Listings
through still shaking
Posted by riversniper   ( 75 ) on Jun-04-07 at 19:35:24 PDT   Listings
The Southern California Motion picture council Gives the award. I was in shock when I learned I would recieve the award. Ps. Like I said I do not know a thing about stamp just passin trought. And in passing stamps12345: Who are you James Bond. Your from the heart idea was the best. and thank you. Yea I know my right from my left I am the guy with the Beard lol It has been nice and it has been real but I cant say it has been real nice. Thanks
Posted by 3emarketeers   ( 1481 ) on Jun-04-07 at 19:32:40 PDT   Listings
Well Bill B, I was thinking that this was a place that I might find some help about stamps in order to give me a better idea on selling some. That is why I came on here to ask questions and when I saw that my listing wasn't what it should have been, I ended it immediately. I don't have to ship Priority Mail and if I determine from this board that that's not the best way to go, then I won't. I may not know the exact names of the stamps and there conditions but I am hoping with good clear pictures and descriptions, the person buying will be able to determine what he's getting. If this is not the place for me to ask these kind of questions, I'm sorry to have bothered anyone. Thank you Paul and Stamphick for your help and kind responses. Angela
Posted by riversniper   ( 75 ) on Jun-04-07 at 19:16:43 PDT   Listings
I was shaking so much at your insault that I forgot to say I am the big good looking man on the left.
Posted by jackstay79   ( 0 ) on Jun-04-07 at 19:14:41 PDT   Listings
3emarketeers---What board do you think this is? And why must you ship Priority mail? Regular mail will get it there soon enough for most people. And how do you expect your customers to know what they're getting, when YOU don't even know what you have?

Bill B.
Posted by riversniper   ( 75 ) on Jun-04-07 at 19:14:30 PDT   Listings
I am the big good looking man on the right, next to me stand a doctor, and a couple of other rich dudes. We each won the award. Now I thank dbenson: for his time, and I would like to thank jaywild: and stamps12345, All let you owe me. Thanks everyone
Posted by riversniper   ( 75 ) on Jun-04-07 at 18:59:12 PDT   Listings
I was born at night and yes it was the forth of july sir, what are you trying to say to me. I have a perfect feedback rep. What is up with that.
Posted by kenpossum   ( 923 ) on Jun-04-07 at 18:57:23 PDT   Listings
In response to the fellow who cautioned about not giving out suggestions on how to list a forgery on eBay without it being pulled, there is no problem here. I see almost no reduction in the number of forgeries and fakes being sold on eBay. The APS might have noticed the volume of forgeries has decreased if the keyword "FORGERY" is typed in, and perhaps they are now giving themselves a pat on the back for a job well done. The problem is becoming less and less. Well, these sellers have more ingenuity and creativity than all of us combined, and especially so if the APS exec. is included. Most are very smart, and know eBay better than you and I. Their forgeries and fakes are still out there - take that to the bank. Reminds me of a city politician in my area who made the claim that "Prostitution has ended" when they implimented a program that targeted Johns and sent them to John School. Yeah ... prostitution ended. You believe that one for a second? APS - the problem of forgeries being sold on eBay is getting less. Yeah ... You believe that one? The bad sellers know ALL the tricks, certainly a lot more that described here. The good sellers are just frustrated.
Posted by 3emarketeers   ( 1481 ) on Jun-04-07 at 18:55:20 PDT   Listings
I have one more question. How come there is no Stamp Discussion Board here on Ebay? Just curious, it seems every other hobby/group has a discussion board excepts stamps.
Posted by riversniper   ( 75 ) on Jun-04-07 at 18:53:32 PDT   Listings
stamps12345: I needed to hear that. You took alot off my mind. Thank you for your eyes, and the fresh look at my dilemma. Sincerely. ps. Did you ever notice That what the hell is always the right decision. I will do just that. What a stellar idea~they have a database. The Jewish muesum in chicago you say and in Washington DC. Good for you stamps12345.
Posted by 3emarketeers   ( 1481 ) on Jun-04-07 at 18:45:24 PDT   Listings
Thanks again stamphick I'll check out his auctions. Hopefully with a few auctions I'll get better and better at my descriptions, but I certainly don't want to have "over-hyped" descriptions. I like my customers to know what they are getting--no more, no less. I'll show good clear scans and describe as best I can and if they aren't happy they can return. I think that's as fair as I can get. Thanks again!
Posted by kenpossum   ( 923 ) on Jun-04-07 at 18:44:37 PDT   Listings
Forgeries on eBay The last time this happened, I bid on a Canada 2c Large Queen laid paper made by Spiro. The lot was accurately described as a Spiro forgery, and the seller has a very high reputation. (A combination of factors the APS and eBay should be encouraging!) I needed to record the laid lines and illustrate the forgery in an upcoming reference on Spiro BNA issues. Spiro forgeries are not dangerous, but almost daily I see them listed on eBay described as genuine. The lot was pulled! I can not fathom how this practice is helping the hobby. Now, the seller selling the Spiro relisted it, and I was successful. Other times when this has happened, the sellers have not listed the item again, and probably have sold the forgeries elsewhere. Thanks eBay, Thanks APS. Valuable reference items used to provide needed info for the reference books I write and used by your own experts are incomplete at the moment. That is why I no longer report bad lots to the APS and eBay. Go find them yourself. (By the way, a recent scan of eBay Canada lots indicate you are hardly catching any of the bad lots I see listed.) Terrible job ... but you did get rid of Adtinvest!
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Jun-04-07 at 18:33:44 PDT   Listings
3emarketeers...Since you have quite a bit to sell you might want to see how other successful sellers handle the sort of material that you have. Check out this seller's offerings.

That seller gets pretty good realizations but he has an advantage over you in that besides scans he has the knowledge to write good (over-hyped) descriptions.
Posted by rich-in-pa   ( 206 ) on Jun-04-07 at 18:32:22 PDT   Listings
D2 & Paul....If you look at this you will see the difference in the fake and the genuine. The one on the left is fake.
Rich
Posted by kenpossum   ( 923 ) on Jun-04-07 at 18:30:57 PDT   Listings
Forgeries on eBay. We all know eBay is utterly useless in the area of identifying stamp forgeries described as genuine, or how to sensibly handle the situation. They primarily rely on the APS executive for guidance here. Is the APS capable of handling this task. I fear not. Good intentions aside, the modern APS lacks expertize in many areas. They can not expertize recent Canadian cancel forgeries, OHMS perfins, classic Crown cancellations to name just a few areas. I am sure classic U.S. is not a problem, but stray away them there and "Houston, we have a problem". So, the APs relies on experts specializing in various areas to report problems. In the past 3-4 years I have reported well over a thousand problem lots on eBay in the Canada area alone. In some areas, they would not take action until my reports could be verified by their experts. As they had no expertize, the sellers were allowed to continue defrauding thier buyers. One seller sold 850+ lots of forged cancels, with no immediate action by the APS. Finally, I wrote a book on the situation, and the APS had the seller kicked off eBay. I no longer report these frauds to the APS as my ability to obtain needed reference material for my forgery references is being hindered daily. It seems every time I make a bid on an item I need for reference, eBay pulls the auction. (continued)
Posted by 3emarketeers   ( 1481 ) on Jun-04-07 at 18:26:21 PDT   Listings
Thanks for the info. Stamphick, I wasn't even thinking about the value of the stamp...actually I had no idea the value of them was only a dollar. I was just shipping priority mail like I usually do. I'll cancell that auction and try to do like Paul Suggested and list all the stamps from one country in one auction. I'll try to post some pictures here tomorrow and see what you guys think. If I put say 100-200 stamps in one auction should I show a close-up scan of each stamp? I really appreciate you taking the time to help me out. Angela
Posted by kenpossum   ( 923 ) on Jun-04-07 at 18:16:22 PDT   Listings
Forgeries on eBay - interesting and important discussion. One contributer stated not to blame the APS for the currect problem on eBay (and there is a dangerous problem right now.) Well ... the APS is to blame. Not the average membership, but the executives who make policy and who liason with eBay. At one time, their input regarding computer generated forgeries may have been appropriate, although having 90+ Adtinvest sheets in my BNA reference collection, I fail to put any of his creations in a "dangerous" class. Past history - put that one away? Well, the APS has not adapted to the growing threat of all those forgeries on eBay that used to be correctly described as forgeries but are being pulled from sale. Fact - these forgeries do not just evaporate. They are out there, all of them, but now much harder to monitor. Added to them, are the many forgeries that are being sold as genuine. The sellers fear that if they add the word Forgery to the listing, their lots will be pulled. Add to them, the large number of sellers who describe their forgeries as genuine either on purpose or through ignorance. APS - you have a problem. (continued)
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-04-07 at 18:16:06 PDT   Listings
ANGELA ----Stamphick is right and from your scan of listed stamps .The collection looks like a beginner collection in some expense albums ....so good luck .paul
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-04-07 at 18:08:19 PDT   Listings
ANGELA-----Sounds like a impressive collection ,Your better off trying to sell each country as a lot on e-bay .It takes more time but the amount you get would be greater than selling all five volumes .If you can try scaning the first page of U.S. Great Britian and maybe Japan ,People here can get you a good idea of value .....paul
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Jun-04-07 at 18:08:14 PDT   Listings
3emarketeers...Just in the spirit of offering a helpful hint I'll point out that you have practically no chance of selling 6 stamps and charging $4.74 + cost of insurance to ship stamps worth maybe a buck. A more reasonable charge would be 50¢ and you might get away with $1.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-04-07 at 18:01:47 PDT   Listings
WAIT A MINUTE ------Was I born yesterday ?

There is no FREEMAN HUMANITARIAN AWARD ........Do they give them to people who have 3 mutually withdrawn feedbacks out of 75 tranactions on E-bay ?

Posted by 3emarketeers   ( 1481 ) on Jun-04-07 at 17:57:38 PDT   Listings
Paul, thanks so much for responding. There are so many albums I got in. The first ones I was going to start with are these huge albums called "THE SUPREME GLOBAL STAMP ALBUM" Minkus Publications I have volumes I-V (5 huge volumes full of thousands of stamps) The owner is in his 90's and has been collecting for many many years. Some pages are full and some pages only have 5 or 6 stamps on them. I was thinking of just selling them page by page. Not sure if that's the way to go or not. I listed one page to see what happens, I'm not sure the requirements for listing stamps and didn't want to list to many if Ebay was going to pull them. Thanks for any help
Posted by 19thcentpostal   ( 185 ) on Jun-04-07 at 17:55:46 PDT   Listings
Good Evening
C is for Cole!Document
Lynn
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-04-07 at 17:53:25 PDT   Listings
I AGREE WITH DAVID B. ------The taste test is the best way to judge a stamp
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-04-07 at 17:48:29 PDT   Listings
Rich, re. the Stellaland, apart from the measurements the easy way to tell the wheat from the chaff is by the paper. The genuine is much whiter, thinner, crispier (and it tastes better too) than the fakes that are normally seen which have a coarse porous wove paper that bends very easily like the later printings of the US banknotes against the very early printings. Once you have seen the genuine paper you cannot mistake it although it would be almost impossible to tell from scans,

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-04-07 at 17:38:37 PDT   Listings
ANGELA -----Your stamps are most likely real ,they don't have to be authenicated .But can you describe the books and what countries .You can also scan a few pictures here and we can tell you what they are worth .But first describe the books or albums ....paul
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-04-07 at 17:34:39 PDT   Listings
RIVERSNIPER -------You can give those other items to the Jewish Museum in Chicago or the one in Washington D.C. they will forward what they can't use to other places .
Posted by 3emarketeers   ( 1481 ) on Jun-04-07 at 17:28:40 PDT   Listings
Hello everyone, this is my first time posting here. I have been reading through some of the posts about forgeries/fakes. Where would one go to get a stamp collection authenticated? I got in a large collection for consignment. Do stamps need to be authenticated before listing? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Angela
Posted by riversniper   ( 75 ) on Jun-04-07 at 17:24:36 PDT   Listings
jaywild: I am very big on giving money to charity. I recieved this Freeman humanitarian award that I am very proud of for giving a cool million to charity, I just thought that I could find some member of these peoples family, because of all the religious things in the other boxes and other personal items. I just dont feel that right about keeping it. but then again you might be right. Thanks again
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-04-07 at 17:20:48 PDT   Listings
Here is something that wasn't talked about and is a serious problem on the classics .This is a sample from my collection of genuine stamps but the cancellations are fake . FORGED CANCELLATIONS .....paul
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-04-07 at 16:58:52 PDT   Listings
RICH-IN-PA It would be hard to tell if those Stellaland were fakes from a scan .The easiest way would be to measure the length of the value of the different stamps .They are 13 1/2 on the 1d and the fake 12 1/2mm. the 3d is 14 1/2 and fake 13 1/2mm .4d. is 15mm. fake 13 1/2 .6d. both are 17mm. and the 1/ is 17mm. the fake 15 .also the perfs are clue .
Posted by bjornmu   ( 925 ) on Jun-04-07 at 16:27:23 PDT   Listings
Forgeries: I actually bought a classic forgery here on eBay a couple months ago. The trick was not to inform the seller that it was fake. :-) Looks like nobody else told him either. This particular forgery is (I think) worth more than the genuine stamp, plus it was paired with another very nice (real) stamp.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 374 ) on Jun-04-07 at 15:14:51 PDT   Listings
It would seem that eBay don't mind if you sell forgeries on their site, as long as you are not honest enough to state they are forgeries.
Once you use the words forgeries, fakes, or whatever in the description, the items get pulled. But, list an obvious fake as the real thing and its ok!!


ioJim This is apparently what Edgeworth looked like without his snowsuit.

Linda
Posted by rich-in-pa   ( 206 ) on Jun-04-07 at 14:52:52 PDT   Listings
D2...Speaking of fake,I believe are too.
Rich
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-04-07 at 13:04:22 PDT   Listings
D2

I wrote seller of Haabai last time he listed it that it wasn't SG 51, so he took it down.
Seems to have a short memory!!
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-04-07 at 12:56:56 PDT   Listings
and if you want one that is misdescribed (and it is a forgery)

Tonga SG51 Used ,item number: 300117703506

David B.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 632 ) on Jun-04-07 at 12:52:42 PDT   Listings
Chaswilly Let me add my condolences on the loss of your mother.

Anne So sorry to hear you lost your old woofer, Rudy. I believe you know, I feel your pain. At least he lived a good and fairly long life. I hope your other Wheaten will live a long life and bring you much joy.

A&S Can someone please tell me how to adjust my I.E browser to open new windows in full? Every time I reduce a window all new ones open in the same reduced size for many days, quite irritating.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-04-07 at 12:52:26 PDT   Listings
D1,

you want a forgery to report,

try this one,

OIL RIVERS, AMAZINGLY RARE OVERPRINT, FORGED

Item number: 130121125577

David B.
Posted by k*s-collectibles   ( 1428 ) on Jun-04-07 at 11:28:11 PDT   Listings
Jim, Thank you! Now I have learned something new. Have a great day! K
Posted by sayasan   ( 652 ) on Jun-04-07 at 11:20:20 PDT   Listings
jim

Reminds me of a recollection by a collector who was in Burma in 1945 and became friendly with the chief postal official, who supplied him with material. He had some hinges sent out from England, and showed them to the official, who hadn't seen one before. He was impressed, and declared them to be "an extremely clever idea".

Which is about right. One of those simple but ingenious solutions (like the safety pin etc) that we take for granted ...

Richard W

Posted by jaywild   ( 947 ) on Jun-04-07 at 10:36:47 PDT   Listings
k*s-collectibles… You’re in luck. I just happen to have an illustrated description of what a hinge is handy. “Never hinged” means the stamp has never had one of those doohickeys attached to the gum, which would have disturbed it and left a mark.

Jim
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-04-07 at 10:34:40 PDT   Listings
soggy & Jim

Thanks, here is an image of the person in that translation (correctly spelt).
Posted by k*s-collectibles   ( 1428 ) on Jun-04-07 at 09:57:27 PDT   Listings
Could someone tell me what "never hinged" means? I saw that phrase used in descriptions. I'm thinking it means it was never moistened and stuck to something?? Am I close? Thanks so much, K
Posted by jaywild   ( 947 ) on Jun-04-07 at 09:52:44 PDT   Listings
urbman1973… I am assuming you are referring to an American stamp. There is no listing in the catalog for a “white spot in eye” variant. Presumably what you have is a stamp with a spot of missing ink. Unusual but not necessarily valuable.

riversniper... It sounds as if you have amany sheets o f stamps. A block of stamps refers to a group of stamps that have not been separated by the perforations, such as this. If you have 100 and 75 sheets of those stamps, that is a very different thing. Do as David Benson suggests, and contact an auction house specializing in Israeli material.

Also, since you state that the people who owned the stamps originally are dead, anything you do with the stamps now will not benefit them in the least. If you are interested in reciprocating your good fortune, you might consider some sort of appropriate charity once the stamps are sold.

soggy333 & Io... The reference was to the south magnetic pole, which is different from the geographic South Pole.

Jim
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Jun-04-07 at 08:44:04 PDT   Listings
iomoon
They say Davids is an important man in that he led the group that first climbed Mt Erebus and he had the nearly definitive role in finding the exact location(almost) of the South Pole. A somewhat wishy washy statement that may be as true as you want it to bee.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-04-07 at 08:14:04 PDT   Listings
Can someone do a translate of the following for me.
I think I know waht it says buy want to be certain.

Im Zuge dieser Mission gelang einer Gruppe unter Leitung Davids 1908 die Erstbesteigung des Mt. Erebus, 1909 hatte er maßgeblichen Anteil an der Lokalisierung des magnetischen Südpols.
Posted by urbman1973   ( 19 ) on Jun-04-07 at 07:33:37 PDT   Listings
I am new to these discussions. I recently received a Scott #707 block in a lot. It is noted that there is a "white spot in right eye." Is this a notable exception? Thank you in advance.
Posted by willderspin   ( 683 ) on Jun-04-07 at 07:11:05 PDT   Listings
JIMBO

Thanks so much. The corrections have been made. I am sure there are many more waiting in the wings. I have not added the note about the Columbians yet, this will happen when the Columbian page is revamped. It is a great idea. Eventualy all the pages will look like US#1 and US#2's pages.
Posted by riversniper   ( 75 ) on Jun-04-07 at 07:07:10 PDT   Listings
debenson: Does a block of stamps have a 100 sheets, because I have 100 rose and 75 purple sheets. These folks must have sold 25 sheets of the purple. I will check back with you. Good day all. Sincerely James
Posted by scandinavian-stampguy   ( 1175 ) on Jun-04-07 at 07:03:15 PDT   Listings
"Good" or "honest" forgeries (as in, have collectible value for a specialist) strike me as being essentially unsaleable on eBay. The couple of times I have tried to sell a couple of high value BC classics-- clearly stated in the description to be forgeries, AND accompanied by PF/RPS certs stating this... they have been pulled by eBay. It seems that unless I am willing to get out a sharpie and write "FALSCH" on the back with letters so large they can be seen from the moon, the lot will be pulled...
Posted by riversniper   ( 75 ) on Jun-04-07 at 06:41:23 PDT   Listings
dbenson: You made me run and do a recount, I have a block of 100 rose and a block of 75 not 78 of the purple. I will do exactly what you have told me to do. I have been buying sealed boxes at estate auctions for a long time, but never have I ever found anything like this. or to put it mildly worth as much as this find. I am one happy camper. The only thing running through my mind is guilt. I am thinking these people that owned the stamps and had passed away, must have come to the USA to seek a better way of life. I think I should try to return the stamps or at least try to find the family. I am 61 years old an I am ok in the money department, I think there is a story here worth more than the stamps. You really did make my day, Thanks again ever so much. James.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-04-07 at 06:23:06 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

From a wet Scarsdale.

Interesting how a little bit of extra paper can add immeasurably to the value of a stamp even though it had nothing to do with the postage.
Same goes for plate numbers and marginal inscriptions.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 374 ) on Jun-04-07 at 06:17:46 PDT   Listings
riversniper with Israel stamps you have to remember. ONLY the stamps with the 2 little bits of extra margin attached at the bottom (called TABS) have the value, the rest of the sheet is worth much much less.
Posted by riversniper   ( 75 ) on Jun-04-07 at 06:07:08 PDT   Listings
dbenson: Good morning, James here, Yes the stamps are the same as the ones I have exactly. The only diff is a very small star on the tab thing. Thank you for your good time and consideration dbenson, The auction page you sent me to is listing them as a set one rose and one purple at 32.00. If this is a ball park price, I have a few thousands dollars worth WOW. The other boxes had Jewish religious things. Wow You made my day. Thanks James
Posted by jimbo   ( 395 ) on Jun-04-07 at 04:12:21 PDT   Listings
<.b>wliderspin,
You've done a wonderful job. Just a few observations from the pages which I looked at.

The link for brown stamps didn't work for me.
A note should be added somewhere in the Columbians to note the modern reproductions/reissues made by the US.
The pane of stamps shown on the Columbian page is from the Trans-Mississippi issue.

jimbo
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1344 ) on Jun-04-07 at 04:09:24 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all



Jim L.

member
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-04-07 at 03:37:28 PDT   Listings
Linda,

" fraudulent or improperly described "

he doesn't claim for it to be anything but an imperf. on hard paper. If he had claimed it to be an imperf. variety of the issued stamp then it would be.

I have no idea if the bidder has a clue what it is.

It exists with and without the REPRINT overprint and any advanced collector with the correct references would know what it is.

David B.



David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-04-07 at 03:27:10 PDT   Listings
D1, I can't see anywhere in the listing that the seller suggests a catalogue number and there are many types of items that would not warrant a catalogue number, proofs, essays, unaccepted essays as well as many items prepared but not issued. They are all acceptable and they might be listed elsewhere in a specialised catalogue or handbook. they are mentioned in Robson Lowe both with and without the overprint " Reprint ". As a matter of fact they cat the 4d. at 10s. and that was in the early 1960's when 10s. was a lot of money.

There is a also a problem with the definition of " stamps " as opposed to " postage stamps ". In my opinion they are stamps and have every right to be listed on Ebay but they are not postage stamps as they were not available for postage. Using that argument would preclude the listing of Revenue stamps as they are not in Gibbons although those that were used for postage although Scott's list some US revenues,

There are 1000's of items listed on Ebay that should be pulled and as you are going through Tassie then you may as well complain about every Chalon Head that has a fiscal cancel and the catalogue value of postally used is quoted.

David B.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 374 ) on Jun-04-07 at 03:22:27 PDT   Listings
David B... misdescription IS a reason to pull an auction if you read the email DaveE. got from Heidi...

I apologize for any confusion caused by this action. Your listing was removed from eBay because it violated eBay policy. eBay does not permit the sale of stamps that are fraudulent or improperly described. Also, a seller may not engage in the practice of listing stamps and disclaiming
knowledge of or responsibility for the authenticity or legality of those
items.

If you wish to sell this type of item you need to take steps to satisfy yourself that the items are authentic before listing them on eBay. If the stamp is a forgery, fake, reproduction or facsimile:

- It must be clearly and indelibly marked as such
- A clear image of this mark must be included
- It must be clearly stated in the title and/or description


and that seller clearly claims he disclaims all knowledge of all the stamps he lists !!

so its over to Heide to be true to her word and pull the auction, methinks!
Linda
Posted by de66   ( 1085 ) on Jun-04-07 at 02:49:43 PDT   Listings
D2

But they are not genuine issued stamps as per SG or Scott!

They do not fit into eBay policy.

The bidder on the reprint in question thinks he is buying the stamp listed in SG or Scott but as we know he is being taken to the cleaners by a power seller.

Maybe eBay need an APS reprint tosser group to ban this type of material as they do with forgeries even if you sell them as a forgery, so reprints even sold as reprint deserve the same attantion from eBay.

D1
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-04-07 at 02:13:13 PDT   Listings
D1, there is a huge difference between forgeries & reprints especially reprints printed from the same plates or dies. If you feel strongly about it contact the seller and tell him what they are and ask him in future to list the items correctly but as far as I am concerned they are perfectly legitimate collectable items and can see no reason why they should not be allowed to be listed.

David B.
Posted by de66   ( 1085 ) on Jun-04-07 at 02:07:34 PDT   Listings
D2

So what’s the difference between a forgery and a reprint regarding selling only genuine stamps on eBay, reprints are not catalogued and only good for plating or wallpapering the office

D1
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-04-07 at 00:24:08 PDT   Listings
D1,

sorry D1, I wouldn't expect Ebay to pull that one even if it got 100 queries that it is a forgery as it is not a forgery but a reprint and misdescription is not a reason for them to pull it.

You & I know that is is overpriced but possibly the seller doesn't and definitely the bidder doesn't.


David B.
Posted by willderspin   ( 683 ) on Jun-04-07 at 00:21:26 PDT   Listings
Oops it is late
the link is

http://www.theswedishtiger.com/usstamps/
Posted by willderspin   ( 683 ) on Jun-04-07 at 00:21:00 PDT   Listings
I have attempted to add an easy identification of US stamps to my site. Does it make you want to barf?

http://www.theswedishtiger.com/usstamps/ID733.html

The link to the ID guide is at top left
Posted by de66   ( 1085 ) on Jun-04-07 at 00:04:22 PDT   Listings
Opps forgot the last number

Try this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250122707306
Posted by de66   ( 1085 ) on Jun-04-07 at 00:02:26 PDT   Listings
I notice eBay has not pulled this lot

http://cgi.ebay.com/Tasmania-4d-Chalon-mint-thick-paper-or-card_W0QQitemZ25012270730

Which i reported on this board a few days ago.

It is clearly a reprint on card BUT NOT DESCRIBED OR MARKED AS SUCH.

Wake up eBay YOU CAN'T DO FOR SOME AND NOT FOR OTHERS mind you he is a power seller. Whoopee do.

D1