eBay chatboard archive: May-28-07 to Jun-03-07 week

Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-03-07 at 23:14:30 PDT   Listings
riversniper, if your blocks of Israel look like this,

http://cgi.ebay.com/Israel-Sc-31-32-1949-UPU-Issue-Cplt-Mint-NH_W0QQitemZ190118324621QQihZ009QQcategoryZ3491QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

contact one of the major auction houses that specialises in Israeli stamps and tell them what you have, they will advise you what to do.

I presume you mean a block of 100 and a block of 78 not 100 sheets and 79 sheets. it is only the bottom row that is worth any money and it has to have the full margin with the inscription on it as well as that extra bit of blank paper at the bottom.

David B.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 925 ) on Jun-03-07 at 22:52:43 PDT   Listings
Riversniper, I don't know much about Isreali stamps either, but looked it up in my Asia catalogue from 1994. Loks like you've having sheets of the UPU anniversary stamps which were issued in March 1950, even though the anniversary was in 1949. 40 pruta purple and 80 pruta red, showing a deer and parts of a globe.

I don't know current values, or how sheet values compare to singles and catalogue prices, but I think they would be worth 25-50c per stamp, possibly more. Much more ($10-$20 or more) for a stamp with tabs, that is a stamp-size label under the stamp, in this case showing a globe with the letters UPU.

NB as said I know little of Israeli stamps....
Posted by jaywild   ( 947 ) on Jun-03-07 at 21:18:43 PDT   Listings
Anne… We had to put our very old cat to sleep almost exactly a year ago. (In fact, the anniversary was the day I met Sheryl and Steve and Dave F. for lunch, and Sheryl astounded me by remembering that it was the anniversary.) The cat was very sick for perhaps three weeks, and the worst part was the pathetic attempts he kept making to get outside. When the end is near all cats prefer to go away somewhere and die by themselves. He even struggled to jump out one of the windows in my place, on the second floor. When the time came he acquiesced peacefully to the final trip to the vet. I have to say I cried like a baby.

Jim
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-03-07 at 20:25:37 PDT   Listings
Dunc,

this matter should be brought up again at the next meeting by our APS rep. and see what happens.

I am not sure if it is true that Ebay didn't listen to APS or viceversa, it doesn't really matter, the system should be worldwide, the British & German system is best,

As long as the word Forgery is clearly listed in the title & description it can be listed without any problems, that's the way it should be, full stop.

David B.

David B.
Posted by riversniper   ( 75 ) on Jun-03-07 at 20:14:47 PDT   Listings
abt1950, I will do that, thank you so much for your time, I will check back. Some of the sheets are kinda stuck to each other they must have been in the box for at least 50 years, the stamp sheets in the middle look like they came hot off the press. thanks again
Posted by duncan_doenitz   ( 120 ) on Jun-03-07 at 20:06:42 PDT   Listings
David, the APS cannot force their will on eBay, and it would make sense for the APS to want stamp sales to take place under rules that are already familiar to them.

But remember, at the time when the alliance was formed, there were persistent bad sellers on eBay whose sales were allowed at the time - one Bad Boy in particular that the APS had battled in the past, and we're talking Power Sellers with significant (but disgusting) careers. The APS rules for selling through their StampStore were in place, and they even got eBay to include a reference to the APS Code of Ethics on the eBay page of rules for selling stamps, but on the topic of selling modern forgeries, eBay wouldn't budge.

By now, eBay should be seeing early results of the efforts to clean up the Stamps category, and it's reasonable to suggest that higher standards are not hurting their sales, the bottom line that matters to eBay.

Better days ahead, I would think, as eBay discovers that ethics are important and that the APS and the Stamps Community Watch committee are helpful partners whose knowledge is invaluable.

They are, however, failing to respect your frequent input, David, the biggest flaw in the system that I see right now, a very unfortunate circumstance. They really should be seeking you out for advice, and instead it almost seems like you are being shut out - if they (whoever "they" are) would just check your track record for accurate reporting of fraudulent auctions, they'd realize that you could be a very helpful partner.

As people cycle in and out of the SCW, I've been delighted to see who some of the earlier members were. David, maybe you'll be in there when they hit their peak!

-Dunc
Posted by abt1950   ( 227 ) on Jun-03-07 at 19:59:37 PDT   Listings
riversniper: Welcome to the stamp board. I don't know much about Israeli stamps, but eventually someone will be here who can answer your question. Keep checking back and if no one answers after a day or so, just ask again.

jaywild, paperhistory: Thanks for the sympathy. Life has sure been interesting around here. My son (who's an EMT) thinks he suffered a mild concussion, but he's ok now and doesn't have much in the way of visible bruises.

The dog had been sick a long time, and we would have had to put him down fairly soon. We still have our younger dog, who is now assuming some of the duties and idiosyncracies of the older one.

David: I'm talking about forgeries and fakes made out of whole cloth, not preexisting items that have been doctored to make them appear to be what they're not. The two categories are not at all the same.

Good night to all and to all sweet dreams of better weekends, fighting forgery, and annihilating misleading philatelic alterations. Anne
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-03-07 at 19:03:47 PDT   Listings
Dunc., I am not blaming the APS, I am blaming the various individuals of the APS who did not have the philatelic commonsense at the time and have not done anything about changing it to make it better,

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-03-07 at 18:52:33 PDT   Listings
dunc., and could you explain why the APS ban them from their own site but won't ban them when they are reported on Ebay,

David B.
Posted by jaywild   ( 947 ) on Jun-03-07 at 18:47:20 PDT   Listings
dcderoo… Nice stamps, especially the imperf 70-cent revenue. I have been neglecting my revenue collection—too many other avenues to pursue.

Jim
Posted by duncan_doenitz   ( 120 ) on Jun-03-07 at 18:45:14 PDT   Listings
Re: Fakes and forgeries

Anne said, "...the 'mark the back' policy. It seemed like a good idea at the time, at least for the modern computer drek..."

That was true then and still true now. Ask yourself if you are really ready to go back to the day when sellers offered modern computer printed fakes unmarked in any way, when even if they were properly described you could watch the buyers' auctions and find the same bogus items returning to eBay salted into bulk lots or offered "as is".

The problem we see today, making it difficult to buy or sell the "classic" forgeries, can be blamed on two groups - 1) the producers of the modern computer generated junk who flooded the eBay listings with their crap, and 2) eBay, who cannot distinguish the modern junk from the classics. And it's NOT the fault of the APS, they do not allow the sale of the modern junk through their own APS StampStore, the common sense solution, and the solution eBay should adopt.

It's quite likely as more and more of the chronic bad sellers in the Stamps category on eBay get weeded out, that they will be able to better address the issue of how to sell the Speratis and other older items. It just would've been too overwhelming when the APS/eBay alliance first started, they are still having difficulties with worldwide stamps, give it a little more time. Meanwhile, sometimes common sense does prevail and the oldies do find their way through the existing system.

I'd love to take this discussion further, but the next step would be to explore the latest techniques being employed by the fakers, and that's best left to private e-mail, rather than providing online tips on how to run the latest scams.

While we're making progress, the scammers are also improving their methods, so be very careful because everything is not always as it seems.

Consider, too, that the best scams are those that go undetected!

I'm just saying...

-Dunc
Posted by riversniper   ( 75 ) on Jun-03-07 at 18:24:56 PDT   Listings
I dont know a thing about stamps, I just want that said right off the bat. I bought 6 sealed cardboard boxes at a estate sale for 50.00 dollars a boxes in one of the boxes were two sets of stamps, when I say sets I dont know what to call them. one set had 100 sheets of 1949 Israel stamps depicting a jumping deer or stagg the color is a kinda rose the other set had 78 sheets with the same stagg or deer but the color is a purple. I am looking at them now a small star is also on the stamps are they worth anything. thank you for your time.
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1981 ) on Jun-03-07 at 18:20:39 PDT   Listings
Anne: yikes. I'll pass on that kind of "fun"!
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-03-07 at 17:43:02 PDT   Listings
Anne, a tiny FAUX on the back has nothing to do with whether it has gum or not, I doubt if any forgery collector would care less if there was any gum or not, the problem is that items are being ruined by applying the marking in " indelible ink " or large rubber handstamps just because that is the way that Ebay.US dictates.

David B.
Posted by abt1950   ( 227 ) on Jun-03-07 at 17:34:05 PDT   Listings
David, You're right of course. The prolem with a large organization such as eBay is that it's very difficult to get them focused on nuances, especially if the major philatelic organization in the US advocates a less nuanced approach. Frankly, a tiny "faux" stamp on the back of an obvious forgery, classic or not, doesn't bother me too much, but then I'm not a pristine gum fanatic either. But there seems to be too much blunt force trauma in eBay's current approach.

Anne
Posted by jaywild   ( 947 ) on Jun-03-07 at 17:26:22 PDT   Listings
Anne… Jeez, hard luck. I’m hoping your son wasn’t too badly roughed up. People sure can be jerks. You let them into a party where they weren’t invited, so they cause trouble then beat the host up when asked to leave. Some world we live in.

Sorry also to hear about your dog. I can really sympathize.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 947 ) on Jun-03-07 at 17:20:46 PDT   Listings
David Snyder… I think you’ve been taken here.

Jim
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-03-07 at 17:16:39 PDT   Listings
Anne, what happened in the past is over, it is the future that is important. Whenever this is mentioned to Ebay or to the APS they also keep mentioning the past. A lot has happened since and Ebay and the APS should be thinking in 2007 terms and how to handle the problem instead of the machine gun approach and cancel all lots which they find (or someone finds for them and dobs them in for the fun of it),

David B.
Posted by abt1950   ( 227 ) on Jun-03-07 at 17:02:27 PDT   Listings
Evening/afternoon/evening from a wet and dreary NJ. 'Tis been a fun weekend, with only a little of the fun being philatelic.

On Saturday night The Offspring had a party for a friend who just finished basic training. It got rather out of hand and a lot of people he didn't know and didn't invite showed up. After the broken botle of vodka left on the bathroom floor by a couple of floozies and the generally too loud and too crowded ambience, my husband and I threatened to call the cops if most of them didn't leave. We got attitude, and later that evening, a couple of the unknown guests jumped The Offspring and beat him up. No more parties for him.

On the other hand, it was better than last weekend. Our 12 1/2 year old dog died. Ain't life fun?

At any rate, the forgery discussion is bringing back memories of the battles of a few years ago, when Addie et al were hawking their "creations." As billsey pointed out, many of us--myself included--were advocating the "mark the back" policy. It seemed like a good idea at the time, at least for the modern computer drek and the truly obvious stuff. Having read more about disagreements between expertizers, I'm not so sure. The controversy over the Grinnells is a case in point, albeit a very famous one.

kathmoon: The covers sound interesting. I don't think there's as much interest in Farouk covers as Fouad, but nonetheless there's some. Can you upload them to your AOL webspace via FTP? BTW, I'm also at AOL. I'll email you.

Anne
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-03-07 at 16:55:38 PDT   Listings
Ken,

the basic problem is the real definition of what Ebay & the APS call a forgery. We all know what Classical Philatelic forgeries and of course they should be allowed to be sold on Ebay with a correct description of what they are and in the correct country listing without any handstamps added however as Ebay was advised by the APS they also included those with regummed, reperfed, replicas, cleaned, fake cancels, trimmed and hundreds of other types of items that had been altered from it's original state to appear to be something it isn't. Ebay hasn't got the manpower or brainpower to tell the difference between a Spiro, Fournier and a photocopy they are all the same to the them and the APS should have enough brains to appoint a proper Watch Group that can tell the difference. Luckily as you say, the British & German Ebay have more sense and the managers of Stamps have handled the problem better.

It appears that there has been a pow wow between Ebay.Australia & the Australian Stamp Dealers Association to organise a watch group on Australian listings and I will make enquiries if this includes philatelic forgeries being allowed to be listed without hindrance. You can also enquire to Ebay.Canada as the US jurisdiction of material is only for material listed on Ebay.US or available to the US,

David B.
Posted by djs127   ( 589 ) on Jun-03-07 at 16:43:03 PDT   Listings
I was emailed by this seller of this auction or should I say lottery? Incredible 23 Vol. Scott International Album Collection Once in a Lifetime Oppurtunity... Read Details... Item number: 260125219308
I gave him a dollar. What do others think of this?
David Snyder
Posted by kenpossum   ( 923 ) on Jun-03-07 at 16:25:34 PDT   Listings
Fakes and forgeries Anyone can circumvent eBays rules for listing forgeries by a little creative wording. "Unauthorized reproduction", "spurious", "might be a forgery?", "probably not genuine" etc. The list is long. If the good readers here all know how to do it, you can bet the bad sellers have figured it out as well. The intentions of the APS and eBay were ... good, but not thought out well, ... short lived, .. easily circumvented to now being useless," Seems to me, the situation when forgeries were described correctly and allowed to be monitored was a better scenerio than today when the same volume of forgeries are for sale, but scattered thoughout eBay and a lot harder to locate and monitor. The Europeans have it right. Take note APS.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-03-07 at 16:10:11 PDT   Listings
BILL C. Here is something for your files ,it is Belgium Q7 .....its a counterfeit and a original . comparison of Belgium Q 7 .....paul
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 374 ) on Jun-03-07 at 15:31:20 PDT   Listings
Good morning from a cold but dry Melbourne,
New spoof email from Paypal, my account has been blocked for security reasons...
now if the spoofers could just learn to spell they may (just may) be a little more convincing!!!! [or NOT]

Regards,
PayPal Security Departament


Linda
off to work
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1665 ) on Jun-03-07 at 15:10:05 PDT   Listings
Back from NAPEX. Here's what I bought:

85B (with cert)
R55b
R65a (with cert)

Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on Jun-03-07 at 14:59:27 PDT   Listings
Forgeries, fakes. etc. The way I see listing a spurious stamp is by naming the maker. Information abounds as to Spiro Bros, Fournier, Sperati and other less well known forgers.

If the seller would do a little homework and know who the forger was, the very name in the title and description should suffice rather than using the word "forgery", counterfeit, reprint, and so forth. Ebay must have a spider that will find certain words and delete the auction. Just my 2¢ worth.
Posted by jaywild   ( 947 ) on Jun-03-07 at 14:23:09 PDT   Listings
Matt in AZ… Also, all 5 bars of the killer did not always show. The example in the Primer shows only 3 bars that printed.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 947 ) on Jun-03-07 at 14:21:32 PDT   Listings
Matt in AZ… It’s a Perfection Type 2, as defined in the “Machine Cancel Primer” of the MCS, featuring five solid horizontal bars. No info on scarcity or value however. It’s a later use, but not latest, which was 1923. While the canceling was done mechanically, there was no mechanical feeder for Perfection machines, so they are frequently off-aligned.

Jim
Posted by keleofa   ( 3460 ) on Jun-03-07 at 13:48:13 PDT   Listings
Jim (Jaywild),

Thanks re: Barr-Fyke

Need help with this postmark:

Beardstown, Illinois 25 Sep 1906

I picked up this postcard with an unusual cancel. I'm assuming it was pulled (or inserted) in at an angle. It appears to have 4 killer bars, no year slug showing. It looks like a machine cancel but could possibly be a steel hand stamp.

Has similar features to Hampden and Perfection machines.

Any ideas?

Matt in Arizona
Posted by jaywild   ( 947 ) on Jun-03-07 at 13:23:46 PDT   Listings
moths = months. That’s the problem with a spell-checker—if the misspelling is also a word it doesn’t catch it.
Posted by jaywild   ( 947 ) on Jun-03-07 at 13:22:19 PDT   Listings
Matt in AZ… Your Barr-Fyke receiver was only used for about six moths. It is known with and without the two-digit year slug. Yours doesn’t seem to have the year. Congratulations on a very nice find!

Knuden... Congrats to you too. I would never have known that was a C.O.D.

Jim
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-03-07 at 12:52:43 PDT   Listings
e-mail sellers s/b e-bay sellers
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-03-07 at 12:50:03 PDT   Listings
Knuden -
Nice! It's my understanding that publishers often mailed their magazines, monthly newspapers, etc., out to advertisers as proof that the advertisement appeared in the publication. Instead of a separate postcard asking for the money, they had the post clerk collect the money on delivery. It sort of worked like - you pay the mailman to see if your ad is in the publication.

Roger
Posted by knuden   ( 2283 ) on Jun-03-07 at 12:19:49 PDT   Listings
A lucky find! Postal wrapper sent as Cash on Delivery. :O)

K.E   Remember the Philatelic High School auctions !!  :O)
Posted by keleofa   ( 3460 ) on Jun-03-07 at 12:01:25 PDT   Listings
Barr-Fyke...

Pulled this out of a dealer's $1.00 box at Sunday's Phoenix Stamp Bourse:

St. Louis-RECEIVED (Barr-Fyke Machine) - 28 March 1899

Front-Weatherford, Texas

This is a scarce machine marking and I was very lucky to find it!

Matt in Arizona
Posted by infla-alec   ( 540 ) on Jun-03-07 at 11:33:30 PDT   Listings
Wilderspin I appreciate your frustration with ebay pulling your auctions but I wonder really wether the Royal will actually need your donation ? I was under the impression that their forgery refrence collection is already quite extensive.
The comment about German forgeries is of particular interest to me of course. Forged examples are permitted to be listed in ebay.de providing of course you clearly state they are forgeries in your description. I don't believe they require any such stupid rule as they have to be clearly marked as such front and back etc. There at least it seems thay are taking the sensible approach to stamp listings. By that I mean items that are not described as such and are obvious forgeries are pulled without question.It matters not if the seller is a power seller or professional dealer or just a part time amateur. This is done by a small group of collectors who have ebay's authority to act. They also have the backing of many experts from the German expertizers known as the BPP who will state why something is without doubt a forgery in many cases. Though of course not revealing all their secrets otherwise the forgers will know what to try and alter.

I wonder why if it can be done there then other ebay sites can't follow suit ?

A little common sense is all that is being asked. Sure we don't want to see innocent bidders cheated but I fear ebay's English speaking sites will continually earn themselves a bad reputation until such time as action is taken.
Posted by kenpossum   ( 923 ) on Jun-03-07 at 10:36:25 PDT   Listings
billsey You are absolutely correct. The APS took a shotgun approach to handling minor problems such as Adtinvest and ignored or fed a much greater monster. At one time, common forgeries and classics were openly sold on eBay by a host of responsible sellers. Now, these sellers are being harassed by the APS and eBay, and many have chosen other outlets to sell their forgeries. Many sellers still sell their forgeries, but not openly. They simply don't use the word FORGERY in their description. Specialists and advanced collectors can separate the 'wheat from the chaff" but most buyers can not. As a result, many buyers buy forgeries not described as such. Did this happen in the past? Sure it did, but not anywhere near the degree it happens now. Is there a problem with this picture? One would think the APS exec and eBay admin would figure it out, but I don't give them much credit in that dept. yes, the problem is worse now than before, but ... we are safe from Adtinvest's computer creations.
Posted by billsey   ( 846 ) on Jun-03-07 at 09:42:04 PDT   Listings
I wonder how many remember that WE were the ones who got the current forgery policy implemented by trying to react to the Florida forgeries a couple of years ago. We really can't expect eBay to be able to differentiate between collectible classic forgeries and current material cranked out of a computer with a color printer. I prefer the current situation where classics can sometimes sneak through 'under the radar' or can be sold in other venues, but we're not inundated with the dregs.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-03-07 at 09:07:15 PDT   Listings
Bill that's one hell of a pane of stamps. We should run a sweep on the final price.
Peter
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Jun-03-07 at 07:56:39 PDT   Listings
D2 Occasionally something special comes along to claim attention.
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Posted by willderspin   ( 683 ) on Jun-03-07 at 07:12:03 PDT   Listings
I meant on 'three' occasions
Posted by willderspin   ( 683 ) on Jun-03-07 at 07:11:20 PDT   Listings
I have had it up to the gills with ebay and their forgery policy. On there occassions I have had valuable reference forgeries pulled by ebay, in the latest instance I got it put back due to my temporary Power Seller status. But I have had enough, in future I will be donating all my rare forgeries to the RPS (of which I am member, hence the choice) and forget sharing it amongst the philatelic community. As I speak I am shoving a whole collection of German forgeries in a packet to London.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-03-07 at 06:24:21 PDT   Listings
Ken, I feel exactly the same way about it as you do but the representatives of the APS that originally advised Ebay.US didn't and as there is no one in charge of stamps at Ebay.US then there is no one who would have the slightest knowledge that there is even a problem about the method they are using. The only way to overcome it is to use Philatelic commonsense and bring the matter up at an APS meeting and try to get them to realise they are potentially detroying rare philatelic items because of the ruling. I personally doubt this will happen as the APS does not see Ebay as an important aspect and it is something that has to be worked around such as my suggestion the other day to a member to list the item on another Ebay site without the US included as it only affects the item if the material is listed on Ebay.US or available to Ebay.US,

David B.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1665 ) on Jun-03-07 at 06:13:28 PDT   Listings
bjornmu, your postal cards looks to be H&G #2 which means it was issued in 1879.
Posted by kenpossum   ( 923 ) on Jun-03-07 at 05:45:31 PDT   Listings
Pardon the typos. Is it against US or Canadian law to own, sell, buy forgeries? (Reproductions often made to defraud the collector) NO NO NO It is not illegal, and David, Heidi or whomever needs to get this message and pass it on. the APS exec. knows better than to suggest it is to eBay. If is was illegal, all the philatelic societies in the world who have forgery reference collections would be destroying them. That is not going to happen is it? Is it against the law to own, sell or but Postal counterfeits? The answer is YES NO. Yes, if you have 100,000 sheets of any stamp issue still valid for postage, NO if you have small quantities (singles, blocks, even a single sheet) that you have for REFERENCE purposes. The federal govt. will not prosecute for small quantities of legetimate reference items. It is time the APS and eBay stop the fear mongering, and get it right. Experts need to obtain all of these reference items - philatelic and postal counterfeits to do their job (expert committees, publishing etc.) The current policy and practice of the APS and eBay in this area is causing problems for us experts. I recently bid on a Canada 2c Large Queen Spiro forgery on laid paper which I needed as an item to illustrate in a future reference on Canadian forgeries. Thanks to the APS and eBay, the item was pulled before the auction ended. Well, APS and eBay that was helpful. Protecting the philatelic community are we? How and the H_LL do the APS expert committee members build their reference collections? (I was able to obtain the Spiro later on, but no thanks to the APS and eBay.) Ken Pugh
Posted by kenpossum   ( 923 ) on Jun-03-07 at 05:29:49 PDT   Listings
Debate? Come on .. sock it to me. The origin of the problem may be a result on the US philatelic community confusing the term forgery with counterfeit. The US federal govt. has it right. Counterfeit as ORIGINALLY defined way back in Britain in the mid 1800's was reserved for those reproductions (stamps, coins) that were intended to deceive and take funds away from the government. The UK, US and most other countries made laws to prevent this from happening. These laws on counterfeiting are that basis of eBay's policy etc. Another term - FORGERY was devised to differientiate those reproductions made not to deceive the govt, but the collector. Still a nasty item, but usually not treated that same way (and severity) in the courts (ie. criminal vs civil). To define further we have postal and counterfeits, philatelic counterfeits. The difference lies with intent. There is a difference between manufacturing 10,000 sheets of the current definitive issue, and a colletor making one inverted Seaway issue and sending it to a friend in the mail. The govt will not prosecute the collector no matter what the letter of the law states. Intent vs letter of the law. The problem is that the APS and eBay has not really sorted all of the above out when devising policy in this area, and communication to eBay clients. They need to. Just the start of a debate friends. Ken Pugh
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3647 ) on Jun-03-07 at 05:26:19 PDT   Listings
dang storm
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3647 ) on Jun-03-07 at 05:24:30 PDT   Listings

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Posted by kenpossum   ( 923 ) on Jun-03-07 at 05:15:24 PDT   Listings
Hello Everyone concerned with the topic "to mark or not to mark the back of a forgery or fake - that is the question." This is a problem that requires serious debate, and if at all possible, debate with those in eBay and the APS that can change what I believe is the most dangerious policy that eBay has put forth since I have been active with eBay. As an expert in Canadian forgeries, I see this policy as having more negatives than positives, and would welcome debate here. David? Heidi? Who on eBay has the knowledge to debate this? The APS executive? Who listens? Who has experience in this area? Who can discuss this topic BEYOND the incorrect "U.S. federal laws strictly prohibit the sale of counterfiet stamps .. blah, blah, blah) Ken Pugh (kenpossum)
Posted by rolyrj   ( 4 ) on Jun-03-07 at 03:50:31 PDT   Listings
Thanks for the heads up David. I see where you are coming from. Hmmm with 5000+ Uiversals in my stock books..... Will fill in the winter evenings quite nicely me thinks :)
Cheers

Roly
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1344 ) on Jun-03-07 at 03:32:07 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Charles(chaswilly)
My sympathies on the death of your mom.


Jim L.

member
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-03-07 at 03:16:24 PDT   Listings
Charles Condolences on your lost of a parent.

You must be as proud of your son as im of my daughter for their accomplishment in academic studies .

O n the subject of career choice ,I ve traded in the financial markets and done accountant for 23 years so being outside and doing asphalt work is a joy.Never looked at it as being stuck in a job ,there is always a desk job if I chose to go back into the city to work .But physical work and being outside is a "better job ".....off to work 5:18 sunday ,will being attending the church of the blue sky ....paul

Posted by cwhutch   ( 656 ) on Jun-03-07 at 02:25:06 PDT   Listings
Good morning.

Hutch
Posted by bjornmu   ( 925 ) on Jun-03-07 at 01:43:06 PDT   Listings
Lindy, I've been down under twice. One thing I did notice was that I several times found myself walking down a street in the wrong direction, I seemed to have "flipped" the map in my head. My guess is that I was unconciously orienting myself by the sun, assuming it was in the south. I also got a little suprise one evening in Hobart, when I saw the familiar constellation of Orion in the sky, but it was upside down! And when taking the train (west) from Sydney to Katoomba in the late morning, I naturally sat down on the right side to avoid the sunshine. Wrong side! :-)

Speaking of which, can anyone tell me when this WA stationary postcard was issued? I want to make sure the year cannot me 88. If it must be 98, there's something funny about the 9.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 374 ) on Jun-03-07 at 01:04:07 PDT   Listings
bjorn make a trip 'downunder' to where we live and those unusual cancels may look ok to you!
:o)
Posted by bjornmu   ( 925 ) on Jun-03-07 at 00:29:57 PDT   Listings
Roly, interesting cancel, I suppose there's no chance this is very very late usage? I have many "future" cancels of course, the latest being from the year 9961. :-) Though I may also have 9981.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-02-07 at 22:34:33 PDT   Listings
D1,

she's on my team, should be an exciting time for both of us,

David B.
Posted by de66   ( 1085 ) on Jun-02-07 at 21:56:50 PDT   Listings
Got my W's and my V's all cocked up
Posted by de66   ( 1085 ) on Jun-02-07 at 21:55:52 PDT   Listings
D2

I heard on the grape vine the police were about to arrest the guy who has been ovverprinting BCOF on cheep oz stamps and selling them on ebay for quite a while.

Been chatting to Scott wia email and organised a coffee in Sydney in a couple of weeks.

Just come back from the Qld Thematics meeting [6 present] had to drop my two exhibits off to the short judge up here.

will not be at the show till Thurs night as i have a bunch of family to see in Sydney for a few days before the show.

D1
Posted by chaswilly   ( 1630 ) on Jun-02-07 at 21:19:15 PDT   Listings
stamps123456789 Paul, that's really scary! My youngest son is a grad assistant at MSU (Missouri State Univ) in Springfield, MO. He's a cellular and molecular bioligist - got 9 more hours for his Masters - He's teaching Anatomy with real cadavers - makes me puke - but he's really into it. He's up for a staff job next year. I like the GA thingy - he's actually making his own way. Gotta beat trucking or paving parking lots, doesn't it? By the way, my mom passed away this last week. Put her in the ground on Wed. last. Charles.
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1981 ) on Jun-02-07 at 21:00:24 PDT   Listings
Matt: they certainly are. I'll take it! [Cleveland APS show was '99].

Cavs [Cleveland's basketball team] also just clinched their spot in the finals. I'm actually in my office right now and can hear the crowds downtown. Actually going to stay for a while longer and hope it dies down a little bit before going home.

[and yes, I'm crazy. I work a few hours late on Saturdays so I don't miss daytime hours with my kids].
Posted by keleofa   ( 3460 ) on Jun-02-07 at 20:20:58 PDT   Listings
Matt in Ohio,

Thanks re: Rushsylvania

The Indians are looking good this year. I still have my Indians baseball cap from 1998(?) (APS Show) in Cleveland.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-02-07 at 20:16:16 PDT   Listings
Roly, have you any other examples of that town cancel used in either period, 1903 or 1930,

David B.
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1981 ) on Jun-02-07 at 20:13:54 PDT   Listings
Matt in AZ: typo in your reference (presumably Helbock?). Rushsylvania opened in 1836. Discontinued 1837, reestablished 1838, still operates. It may well be a star killer; it's clearly a rubber-stamp marking provided by a private vendor and those frequently have stars.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8273 ) on Jun-02-07 at 20:04:55 PDT   Listings
D1,

didja read the Letters to the Editor in Nape, waiting for the feedback on the comment I made about synopises, synopsi, whatever, I think I may have tread on someones toes on that one, hopefully it will be discussed at the Nape meeting in Sydney in two weeks.

You should know Scott, he used to be a regular here but gave it away. He gave a display 2 weeks ago at the Chatswood meeting of the PSNSW, he showed repairs to 1d. Blacks & Reds, some very nice material.

Talking about OZ Chat, there was a very interesting remark yesterday about a meeting between Ebay.OZ and reps. of the Australian Stamp Dealers Association regarding a watch group, looks like it is under discussion and if it goes through then they will be checking on those fake OS perfs. & overprints that have been rife here lately.

David B.
Posted by rolyrj   ( 4 ) on Jun-02-07 at 19:23:14 PDT   Listings
Back to the future?

Woo hoo thanks to an unattentive moment at the post office 104 years ago (or was it a dyslexic moment?) I can now buy myself a number of "lattes" at the local coffee shop !!

THIS STAMP should have been franked as "15 JL 1903" but in fact is franked as "15 JL 1930" 27years into the future at that time.

The block also contains a rather nice sxample of a re-entry as well thus positioning this block, centered around the re-entry, at stamp 21 along Row 6 in a sheet of 240 stamps made up of 10 rows of 24. The block is also printed on Cowan paper with W7 watermark from a Plate 2 printing just to be complete [and pedantic :)]

Thank you Mr Postmaster....

Cheers

Roly
Posted by de66   ( 1085 ) on Jun-02-07 at 19:12:10 PDT   Listings
D2

Thought that would make you grin. Whats life all about if you can't have some fun! Wait till the next Stamp News.

This ozchat has evan got me chatting revenues! I finally found a buddy.

D1
Posted by keleofa   ( 3460 ) on Jun-02-07 at 19:08:32 PDT   Listings
Ohio Postal History Question...

Postmarked Rushsylvania, Ohio, 1870s (stamp seems to be a blue-green 158, maybe a 184).

My Ohio post office reference doesn't have a Rushsylvania post office in service until 1936, in Logan County.

Also, fancy killer looks star-like. Any info on this fancy cancel? I was unable to locate it my Doane-Thompson reference or Herst-Sampson Catalog.

T I A,

Matt in Arizona
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Jun-02-07 at 16:55:52 PDT   Listings
LIFE IS GOOD Working my butt off -------Oldest daughter was given a new job in the military ,and she likes it . Youngest daughter was admitted to the College of Molecular and Cellular Bioliogy ,she is sapping DNA and getting research money for it .Wife is waiting for the bank to put her early retirement package together .

As for me Im blessed with more work at higher prices than ever before ,but there will come a day when the snow falls and Im off to a major stamp auction and work will cease and then it will be "STAMP TIME".....off to bed ,Sunday we start another 12 hour work day ....paul

Posted by billsey   ( 846 ) on Jun-02-07 at 15:41:39 PDT   Listings
Mitch, yup, the link between our house (where the web server is located) and the radio tower on Neahkahnie was playing havoc with us for a while late this week. We replaced a couple of radios and it should be fairly solid (though slightly slower, since we went from 2.4GHz to 900MHz).
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-02-07 at 15:01:33 PDT   Listings
Don't know how I sniped myself. LOL. Sorry to the person who was at the bottom of the 200 messsages.
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-02-07 at 15:00:23 PDT   Listings
bjorn -
One of my searches that includes - raz*.

Many of my searches where I use the name Switzerland or Schweiz, or Suisse turn up 5-6000 returns of which maybe 3000 are valid. If any seller mentions the acceptance of Swiss francs, his address is in Switzerland, or specializes in Schweiz briefmarken, they all turn up in my country name searches.

After a while of deleting specific keywords listed by numerous sellers Ican reduce my list by 30%. but is it worth it? I don't know as maybe 5 sellers on eBay list razor cancel when they get them!It takes a lot of looking even when I use pretty restrictive search criteria.

Roger
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-02-07 at 15:00:23 PDT   Listings
bjorn -
One of my searches that includes - raz*.

Many of my searches where I use the name Switzerland or Schweiz, or Suisse turn up 5-6000 returns of which maybe 3000 are valid. If any seller mentions the acceptance of Swiss francs, his address is in Switzerland, or specializes in Schweiz briefmarken, they all turn up in my country name searches.

After a while of deleting specific keywords listed by numerous sellers Ican reduce my list by 30%. but is it worth it? I don't know as maybe 5 sellers on eBay list razor cancel when they get them!It takes a lot of looking even when I use pretty restrictive search criteria.

Roger
Posted by dbenson   ( 8266 ) on Jun-02-07 at 12:54:07 PDT   Listings
D1, how true, your occupation listed on the Aussie Chat,

" Troublemaker ",

David B.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 925 ) on Jun-02-07 at 12:52:47 PDT   Listings
Eh, postage added.
Posted by bjornmu   ( 925 ) on Jun-02-07 at 12:49:40 PDT   Listings
Roger, what led you to that stamp? Anyway, even without postage agged it's not worth 24 groszy.
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on Jun-02-07 at 11:03:27 PDT   Listings
Polish economics? or am I missing something, such as unstated shipping fees?
http://cgi.ebay.com/NORWEGIA-Norge-Mi-196-zn382_W0QQitemZ270126335270
Posted by rioroyal   ( 392 ) on Jun-02-07 at 10:53:31 PDT   Listings
Jaywild-- The guy you can't resist taking a shot at is not even posting. Can't you at least wait until you think you have been slighted, and then be your usual crabby self?
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 925 ) on Jun-02-07 at 10:27:03 PDT   Listings
Hi Matt..thank you for looking. I will probably list it as a cover letter and maybe a historian will look at it as a keeper..thanks so much
Sharon
Posted by keleofa   ( 3457 ) on Jun-02-07 at 10:17:39 PDT   Listings
Sharon,

Your cover was postmarked Nov 8, 1940. The stamps themselves are worth less than $1.00 (per an American catalog). Not sure if the usage/postmark is of any value.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by willderspin   ( 679 ) on Jun-02-07 at 09:54:54 PDT   Listings
IO

Just joined you there

Agree with the sentiment
Posted by gemdiva64   ( 925 ) on Jun-02-07 at 09:49:15 PDT   Listings
http://usera.imagecave.com/gemdiva93257/romaniastamp1940-copy.jpg
Good morning all.the above stamp looked interesting to me. Does anyone here have any suggestions. I don't know what the stamps are except that they are old and from romania. Wasn't 1939 a war year? Gosh and I'm not THAT young. :-)
Sharon
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on Jun-02-07 at 09:30:57 PDT   Listings
lotz4me2c To follow on what Matt in AZ and 220man said, recent American stamps are generally not worth anything above face value, however some series and some topics have generated interest beyond what is usual. The Elvis stamps are a good exampletheres almost always someone out there willing to buy them. If you want to sell your Celebrate the Century sheets, now would be the time to do it, before the interest they currently inspire in collectors evaporates.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on Jun-02-07 at 09:23:06 PDT   Listings
infla-alec What a nice guy you are!!! Please check your email.

stamphick Then by all means, read my posts and get your shorts in a twist. In fact, read them again and again, every five minutes or so, but keep your blood-pressure pills handy.

? ? ? ? ?

Jim
Posted by keleofa   ( 3457 ) on Jun-02-07 at 09:16:44 PDT   Listings
Lotz,

Celebrate
the Century

Looks like some are selling at a premium over face value.

Matt in Arizona
Posted by 220man   ( 151 ) on Jun-02-07 at 09:08:17 PDT   Listings
lotz4: Those sheets are going for little more than their value as postage.
Posted by lotz4me2c   ( 199 ) on Jun-02-07 at 08:17:36 PDT   Listings
Hopefully it is okay to ask this question, as all I need is advice. I have Series #1 and # 2 of the "Celebrate the Century" stamps! Are they worth the price of listing? If so does anyone have any idea what I should ask for them?
Thanks!
Posted by infla-alec   ( 540 ) on Jun-02-07 at 07:00:48 PDT   Listings
Oct date dilemma I recently went searching through some GB covers and came across one I had all prepared to start listing when suddenly as i typed in the date this sent the alarm bells ringing. Yes as many will have guessed it is a darn pesky Oct 5 1866 cover
If the new owner would care to contact me please with his mailing address it can soon be on it's way to a new home.
Not an ebay violation post as this in no shape or form a sale or trade. Just one collector helping another.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-02-07 at 05:53:14 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

OK, so I joined the Australian chat board.
Maybe one day I'll find time to read it.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1342 ) on Jun-02-07 at 04:48:43 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all



Jim L.

member
Posted by cwhutch   ( 656 ) on Jun-02-07 at 04:09:07 PDT   Listings
Good morning.

Hutch
Posted by dbenson   ( 8266 ) on Jun-02-07 at 01:17:17 PDT   Listings
IO,

Ebay has "reuni"ted some stamps back to where they were issued,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160116152514

David B.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Jun-01-07 at 23:10:37 PDT   Listings
jaywild...If you continue to make gratuitous disparaging remarks about others and then try to pass them off as light-hearted humor I will continue to respond. I truly find that sort of behavior disgusting. It is also against eBay policy only it is disguised well enough to avoid notice by LiveWorld. Aren't you clever.
Posted by sammlermax1   ( 875 ) on Jun-01-07 at 22:40:14 PDT   Listings
@mini*lindy:...ahaaa, I see you can do some Austrian language ;-)!
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 372 ) on Jun-01-07 at 22:34:56 PDT   Listings
Servos! Max
Posted by sammlermax1   ( 875 ) on Jun-01-07 at 22:29:48 PDT   Listings
Good morning to all from nice Austria.
Hello mini*lindy.
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on Jun-01-07 at 22:23:20 PDT   Listings
stamphick Disgusting? I am guessing you are one of those people who likes to use big words, regardless of whether or not they are appropriate or mean anything at all in the context in which you use them. I fail to understand how that joke was disgusting. It merely suggests lightheartedly the possibility that the two individuals might be one and the same.

As always, and as I have pointed out previously, you can ignore my posts rather than picking them apart to find a pretext to get your dander up. In fact, I am formally requesting that you do so, in order to spare you any future disgust. I wouldnt want that on my conscience.

?

(Eryou can ignore the smiley face too if it offends you.)

Jim
Posted by 22028   ( 1608 ) on Jun-01-07 at 22:11:27 PDT   Listings
Talking about pulled fakes on ebay..., surprisingly, no one seems to pull Tibet...
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZsipandinstampsQQhtZ-1
Or Davids Allen Philatelics..., all his Tibet (listed in ebay UK) are fake and no one does something. Only ebay Germany is clean. I can contact someone there and he arranges to pull the fakes.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Jun-01-07 at 21:21:03 PDT   Listings
jaywild...That is a disgusting question, with or without the smiley.
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on Jun-01-07 at 20:26:28 PDT   Listings
NOIP Not to stir the potbut has anyone ever seen Glen Stephens and the paver from Chicago in the same room?

?

Jim
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 372 ) on Jun-01-07 at 20:13:20 PDT   Listings
just the coordinator?? David, isn't that like just a little bit pregnant?
Posted by dbenson   ( 8266 ) on Jun-01-07 at 20:10:46 PDT   Listings
Linda, he is just the coordinator, there are many of the regulars there that have the same feeling about him as you but just ignore his hype and join in. Most of the chats are about Antipodean themes but also many Canadian and German comments and queries as well, even a separate section for Revenues (you hear that D1),

David B.
Posted by 22028   ( 1608 ) on Jun-01-07 at 20:06:43 PDT   Listings
David B, thanks for the hint regarding the other stampchat, i just registered my self...
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 372 ) on Jun-01-07 at 20:00:05 PDT   Listings
more than strange, David, downright weird! how could anyone even contemplate going to a site run by HIM???

mmmmmmmm..... i wonder!

Linda
Posted by dbenson   ( 8266 ) on Jun-01-07 at 19:17:37 PDT   Listings
I know this may seem strange but I am giving a plug to the new Australian Stampchat board founded by Glen Stephens, yes you read that right, my old buddy Glen, it has some good things going for it and many discussions on various topics,

http://www.stampboards.com/index.php


David B.
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on Jun-01-07 at 16:38:50 PDT   Listings
D1 OK. Then I think D2s suggestion is probably best, if you dont think you would get a good realization at a brick-and-mortar auction house.

Jim
Posted by de66   ( 1084 ) on Jun-01-07 at 16:20:17 PDT   Listings
Jim

I do understand what you are saying but I am saying even if I Photoshop it on, the potential buys will not know that, and it may make the buyer reconsider a higher bid or even a bid at all.

D1
Posted by dbenson   ( 8266 ) on Jun-01-07 at 16:08:58 PDT   Listings
D1, try listing it on Ebay.OZ but do not include US as a shipping destination. It should go through OK as it cannot be referred to the SCW,

David B.
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on Jun-01-07 at 15:59:17 PDT   Listings
D1 In other words, this is the image that would be displayed in your lot description, while this is what the stamp would actually look likethe back completely unblemished.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on Jun-01-07 at 15:55:12 PDT   Listings
D1 You misunderstand meI say dont deface the forgeries, dont put anything on the back. Just make an image with the word FORGERY superimposed on the stamp so that it looks like the back has been actually stamped. As long as you dont claim that the back has been marked in that way, i.e. just show the picture with the auction, then you havent really violated any rules.

Jim
Posted by de66   ( 1084 ) on Jun-01-07 at 15:29:44 PDT   Listings
Jim

I would have thought i would have got more for a forgery which has not been defaced in any way front or back than a forgery which has a bloody great stamp on the back stating the obvious.

Think i will put them in one of the public auctions down here.

It appears REPRINTS are exempt from this stupid ebay rule as i myself dobbed in a reprint [to see what action was taken] and it still sold no problems. Where was eBay's "Selling Stamps" policy and the "Code of Conduct" for selling stamps then!

Why would ebay send New Zealand forgeries to a bunch of APS old boy's anyway i would have thought the royal of NZ [RPSNZ] would have been the apropriate place.

I also brought 2 complete sheets of Sydney views a couple of months ago they were in a picture frame under glass they were sold 'as is' forgeries, but ebay never took that auction out.

D1
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on Jun-01-07 at 15:10:25 PDT   Listings
D1 Looks like Heidi shouldered Brandon P. aside to answer your query to eBay.

?

I still think its all BS, because the explanation Heidi provided suggests that 1.) APS isnt worth a goose fart when it comes to determining the worth or acceptability of classic forgeries, or 2.) these complaints dont go anywhere near APS.

I would follow the suggestion offered here yesterdaycreate an image file that looks as if the stamp has been labeled on the back and then just show both the front and back of the stamp without comment, like so

Classic facsimile of New Guinea 5d crown watermark, blah blah blah

then show an image of the front side along with a scan of the back that looks like this. As long as you dont state in your description that the scan of the back is completely authentic or genuine, or claim that you have followed eBays asinine rules regarding defacing forgeries, you should be OK. After all, you are not committing fraud or attempting to do so, which is what these rules were meant to safeguard against, and so if you want to market your items, which you have a perfect right to do, you should be entitled to use any workaround that produces the desired result.

At this point you may decide to use another eBay ID in order to sell your items. I would not put it past Heidi to now be on the lookout for your auctions to make sure you are toeing the proper line. It has been known to happen.

Jim
Posted by sayasan   ( 651 ) on Jun-01-07 at 13:42:14 PDT   Listings
alec, peter, jim etc - thanks very much for your help! Writer to the Signet it is. Makes perfect sense that the addressee was a solicitor. I found this piece (not an entire, unfortunately) among my son's childhood collection, of all places. It has a nice Edinburgh Bishop mark, and a faint "Loch Gilphead" double circle. Lochgilphead is on the west coast near to the Isle of Arran, which is the sender's address. Anyway, it will go into one of my next listings. Thanks again!

Richard W.

Posted by de66   ( 1084 ) on Jun-01-07 at 13:22:40 PDT   Listings
Woke up to this:

Dear Dave,

Thank you for writing in regard to the removal of your New Zealand imperf forgeries Nice Fillers listing.

I apologize for any confusion caused by this action. Your listing was removed from eBay because it violated eBay policy. eBay does not permit the sale of stamps that are fraudulent or improperly described. Also, a seller may not engage in the practice of listing stamps and disclaiming
knowledge of or responsibility for the authenticity or legality of those
items.

If you wish to sell this type of item you need to take steps to satisfy yourself that the items are authentic before listing them on eBay. If the stamp is a forgery, fake, reproduction or facsimile:

- It must be clearly and indelibly marked as such
- A clear image of this mark must be included
- It must be clearly stated in the title and/or description

Please do not sell an item "As Is" regarding its authenticity. Sellers are responsible for the items they sell. Disclaimers (example, "I cannot guarantee the authenticity of this item, so please bid accordingly")
usually have no legal effect and do not protect the seller from potential liability. If you cannot assure yourself of the authenticity, your item may not be listed on eBay.

To view eBay's "Selling Stamps" policy and the "Code of Conduct" for selling stamps, please use the following links:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-stamps.html

http://www.stamps.org/ebay/ebay_code.htm

As the listing did not include a clear image of the marking it was ended and removed from the site.

I hope I have been helpful Dave and if you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to reply to this email and let me know.

also:

Because eBay does not employ or train its Trust & Safety Customer Support Representatives to be experts in the area of stamps, we rely on expert opinions from knowledgeable people as well as reliable third party organizations, such as the American Philatelic Society (APS).

A report will be reviewed by a group of members that comprise a community watch group for stamp auctions. They then confer amongst themselves and either agree or disagree that the listings are problematic. They then forward that information to the APS for review. The APS can then agree or disagree after careful consideration. If they agree, they then contact the seller directly. Sellers are then afforded 24 hours in which to revise or cancel the auctions. If they fail to do so, eBay must cancel the auction.

Please be sure to check our Prohibited, Questionable & Infringing Items pages for information on eBay listing policies and guidelines:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/items-ov.html

If you received an informational alert or warning, and you have additional questions, or you have another listing to report, please contact us at the following link:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/select-RS.html

In order for us to get to you in a timely manner, please do not respond to this email. If you reply to this message we will not receive your email. All communications should be sent to the link provided above.

Again, thank you for your report.We appreciate your help in keeping eBay a safe and reputable forum to conduct business.

Sincerely,

Heidi
eBay Customer Support
Posted by dbenson   ( 8266 ) on Jun-01-07 at 13:19:50 PDT   Listings
Alec,

looks like you are correct,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writers_to_the_Signet

David B.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 540 ) on Jun-01-07 at 12:27:38 PDT   Listings
Richard W
Being Scottish and as the term W.S. is on a Scottish letter I would be pretty certain, "Writer to the Signet" is the abbreviations meaning. I'm assuming John Gray was a solicitor.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8266 ) on Jun-01-07 at 12:26:23 PDT   Listings
I agree with Richard that the item is not a forgery but a Post office authorised reproduction with fake perfs. added, however the description and mentioning of catalogue number and value should be enough to get the item booted. As the item is listed in Ebay.UK it cannot be handled by the US based SCW. One of the regulars here reported it to the APS directly and received this reply,

" Because it's listed solely on eBay.UK; it's beyond our purview for action.
The SCW is authorized to question only items on eBay.US or which appear on eBay.US. I'll otherwise try to get it referred to the appropriate eBay.UK "

David B.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-01-07 at 12:23:14 PDT   Listings
Rainer Many thanks for posting those articles, I really enjoyed the read!
Peter
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-01-07 at 12:19:10 PDT   Listings
Richard I reckon WS is people who are members of this:-

http://www.signetlibrary.co.uk/

Probably the guy was a lawyer or solictor etc, and its home is in Edinburgh!
cheers
Peter
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on Jun-01-07 at 11:51:48 PDT   Listings
Richard W Google returns interesting results for John Gray Esq.that he was a golfer (well, what else in Scotland??) and also a member of the Grampian Club.

Jim
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Jun-01-07 at 10:25:45 PDT   Listings
Mitch...Looks like there is an intermittent problem. I accessed it twice with no problem and now the site appears down.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Jun-01-07 at 10:21:36 PDT   Listings
I'll double check the URL in the Yellow Boxes. I just typed it in and it came up quickly here.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 631 ) on Jun-01-07 at 10:12:34 PDT   Listings
David That is odd. I can access any other site, I try, through the links in the Yellow boxes. Eusc site is not coming up for me, even when I type in the URL.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3646 ) on Jun-01-07 at 09:58:08 PDT   Listings

WS - West Side (or similar ?)

B is for Sierra Leone BUTTERFLIES 4 diff values uprating similar aerogramme to the US.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 338 ) on Jun-01-07 at 09:52:16 PDT   Listings
antonius-ra...It is not down.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 631 ) on Jun-01-07 at 09:38:57 PDT   Listings
Bill Is your server down? I have tried several times to access the EUSC site with no luck.
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6168 ) on Jun-01-07 at 09:34:06 PDT   Listings
*forgeries of the inverted Jenny* -

Should be *reprints of the inverted Jenny*
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6168 ) on Jun-01-07 at 09:33:21 PDT   Listings
Re:

Dear Dave,

Thank you for writing eBay in regard to listing Counterfeit Currency and
Stamps.

U.S. federal laws strictly prohibit the sale of counterfeit stamps, as
well as equipment designed to make these illegal products. U.S. law also
protects stamps from counterfeiters. Therefore, these counterfeit items
may not be listed on eBay. Sellers should be compliant with all federal,
state, and local laws while listing stamps on eBay.

If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to reply to this
email and let us know.

Sincerely,
Brandon P.
eBay Customer Support

If this is the case with your pulled item then how the he@@ can certain sellers get away with selling forgeries of the inverted Jenny ? After all, they are basically printing their own US stamps which I believe is a federal offense. I have reported them for printing forgeries to the authorities as well as Ebay, but nothing seems to have come from that one. Conceivably those stamps COULD be used to pay for postage - although they may not get by the P.O. anything is possible.

Makes me mad.

Mark.
Posted by sayasan   ( 651 ) on Jun-01-07 at 09:15:48 PDT   Listings
Anyone have a reference on pre-stamp Scottish postmarks? If so, does it list a double circle for LOCH GILPHEAD? Would have been in use in 1800.

Next question - anyone know what the abbreviation "W.S." would stand for in 1800, as a suffix after a name in an address? I have a piece that appears to be addressed to "John Gray Esq. W.S., Edinburgh" - at first I thought it was "M.P.", but now I really don't think so. Only problem is, I have no dictionary, old or new, that lists "WS" as any kind of meaningful abbreviation.

Thanks in anticipation ...!

Richard W.

Posted by 22028   ( 1608 ) on Jun-01-07 at 08:40:44 PDT   Listings
I had been busy working on my web page related to the Overland Mail Baghdad-Haifa. Now since the framework is finished it should be easy to add times.
The first images are already there, have a look at
http://fuchs-online.com/overlandmail/08_nairn_publicity_envelopes.htm

I have received kind permission from Saudi Aramco Co. to publish some articles from their magazines for which I am very thankful.
http://fuchs-online.com/overlandmail/articles.htm
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Posted by 1covers   ( 1355 ) on Jun-01-07 at 06:41:13 PDT   Listings
PS - It has been faked (the perfs) in any case. Potential buyer should read the cert.
Posted by 1covers   ( 1355 ) on Jun-01-07 at 06:38:49 PDT   Listings
Peter - That RPS cert is not very kind. It calls the item an "Official Forgery" as does Robson Lowe. However, it was apparently prepared by the Government which would make it a "Special Printing" (from new plates) just like certain US stamps (#3 and #4 for example). It is not a reprint but it is not a forgery in any normal sense of the word either.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-01-07 at 06:28:06 PDT   Listings
Jim Misleading titles are also reportable in eBays defintions and that is exactly what this. Also the main body text talks about reprints and never mentions forgery. Yes anyone that buys it wants their head examined or reperfed:-)
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-01-07 at 05:57:42 PDT   Listings
Peter

If people can't read the cert, "official forgery with faked perforations" they deserve all they get, which is a piece of grey and white paper.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on Jun-01-07 at 05:44:19 PDT   Listings
This one is downright deception in my opinion and certainly should be listed under forgery category:-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SG135-1867-MINT-10s-GREEN-GREY-ON-WHITE-PAPER-C-62-000_W0QQitemZ260124327558QQihZ016QQcategoryZ23741QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Peter
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on Jun-01-07 at 05:24:49 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

From a currently sunny Scarsdale.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1342 ) on Jun-01-07 at 03:22:07 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all



Jim L.

member
Posted by cwhutch   ( 656 ) on Jun-01-07 at 03:13:40 PDT   Listings
Good morning.

Hutch
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 372 ) on May-31-07 at 23:25:38 PDT   Listings
sesqui from your description it sounds like a 'doctor blade flaw' (from wiping the ink during printing), however, Im not that familiar with USA stamps. Scroll back to the Big Yellow Box below, and there are instructions for posting a link to a .jpg
Someone will come along and identify it for you.
Linda
Posted by de66   ( 1084 ) on May-31-07 at 23:13:44 PDT   Listings
Forgeries:

Does this include reprints?

Here is a reprint, but the seller has not said so, it's all a load of cobblers this forgery cock up ebay has done. Can't see ebay closing it down.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Tasmania-4d-Chalon-mint-thick-paper-or-card_W0QQitemZ250122707306

D1
Posted by bjornmu   ( 925 ) on May-31-07 at 22:32:21 PDT   Listings
I agree with nomad about Ruby. They do make mistakes in the descriptions, but those are usually plain and obvious. They have however been excuriatingly slow in shipping lately, and their home-grown payment system is a bit of a nuisance.

One new problem I've seen lately is that they have huge file sizes for their images so they take time to load. I have complained but I guess they don't have time for complaints of that nature...
Posted by de66   ( 1084 ) on May-31-07 at 22:03:31 PDT   Listings
NO REPLY FROM EBAY

Meanwhile print your own money, thanks eBay!

*Rare* Confederate Currency $10 Printing Plate CSA

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Confederate-Currency-10-Printing-Plate-CSA_W0QQitemZ270125228857

D1
Posted by sesquipedalian711   ( 27 ) on May-31-07 at 22:01:02 PDT   Listings
I have a mint plate block of The Air Mail Stamp of 1957 6 50th Anniversary of the Air Force
Washington, D.C. - Aug. 1, 1957.

It has a misprint line across the front. I know that this is not enough data from which to make an evaluation; I would be delighted to send a Tiff of it. I would like to get a sense of its value.
Posted by willderspin   ( 679 ) on May-31-07 at 21:15:08 PDT   Listings
NOMAD

I am glad you are happy with Ruby. The comments made on the site are as a result of mail received about a dealer. If I do not get a significant amount of feedback mail about a dealer I do not list them on the site. I, like you, disagree about some of the comments, however I err to the masses, not the individual.
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-31-07 at 21:14:13 PDT   Listings
nomad55 I agree. I bought a couple steel-blue 24 cent Washingtons from him and a Scott 34, all misidentified. And I have no pity for anyone who thinks he is saving money by letting low-wage minions do his listings for him. In terms of employees, you always get what you pay for!!

Jim
Posted by nomad55   ( 893 ) on May-31-07 at 20:59:07 PDT   Listings
willderspin - thanks for giving directions.

I read the comments about Ruby, and have to disagree. I have bought many covers from them, and with the exception of being slow in mailing out the lots, have not experienced any problems. Ruby uses minimum wage doofuses (doofi?) to do their listings - no knowledge of whats significant on a cover and what is not. Their titles are somewhat hilarious to read - I'm waiting for one to say "Pretty red stamp on envelope" But, their scans are always large, clear, and detailed.

If one takes the time to look at the scans, one can cherry pick Ruby and take him to the cleaners, and he will never know. Been there, done that several times.
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-31-07 at 20:53:38 PDT   Listings
Jeff S SorryI should have broken the news about Betty more gently.

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Roger... Hilarious! Im sure those are 100% genuine.

NOIP... I got to send a large envelope via the new 1st Class Package rate today, and the clerk at the window knew exactly what I was talking about when I requested the service.

Jim
Posted by willderspin   ( 679 ) on May-31-07 at 20:16:45 PDT   Listings
PROCHUTE

Go to http://www.theswedishtiger.com
Click on US stamps
At the top click on Dealers (it is the last option)
On the left click hall of fame and shame

Hope this helps
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on May-31-07 at 18:55:47 PDT   Listings
On a lighter note -

ACTUAL SENTENCES FOUND IN PATIENTS' HOSPITAL CHARTS
She has no rigors or shaking chills, but her husband states she was very hot in bed last night.
Patient has chest pain if she lies on her left side for over a year.
On the second day the knee was better, and on the third day it disappeared.
The patient is tearful and crying constantly. She also appears to be depressed.
The patient has been depressed since she began seeing me in 1993.
Discharge status: Alive but without my permission.
Healthy appearing decrepit 69-year-old male, mentally alert but forgetful.
The patient refused autopsy.
The patient has no previous history of suicides.
Patient has left white blood cells at another hospital.
Patient's medical history has been remarkably with only a 40-pound weight gain in the past three days.
Patient had waffles for breakfast and anorexia for lunch.
Between you and me, we ought to be able to get this lady pregnant.
Since she can't get pregnant with her husband, I thought you might like to work her up.
She is numb from her toes down.
While in ER, she was examined, X-rated, and sent home.
The skin was moist and dry.
Occasional, constant infrequent headaches.
Patient was alert and unresponsive.
Rectal examination revealed a normal size thyroid.
She stated that she had been constipated for most of her life, until she got a divorce.
I saw your patient today, who is still under our car for physical therapy.
Both breasts are equal and reactive to light and accommodation.
Examination of genitalia reveals that he is circus sized.
The lab test indicated abnormal lover function.
The patient was to have a bowel resection. However, he took a job as a stockbroker instead.
Skin: somewhat pale but present.
The pelvic exam will be done later on the floor.
Patient was seen in consultation by Dr. Blank, who felt we should sit on the abdomen and I agree.
Large brown stool ambulating in the hall.
Patient has two teenage children, but no other abnormalities.

Keep on paying those health insurance premiums, someday you might become a very sick curmugeon treated by an illiterate medical student! )'>) Always read your medical record!

Roger
Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on May-31-07 at 18:02:16 PDT   Listings
willderspin Where on your site is your EBAY HALL OF SHAME? Finding it seems dificult so it begs the question.
Posted by 19thcentpostal   ( 185 ) on May-31-07 at 17:10:26 PDT   Listings
Good evening all,
From an unused postcard comes one of the premier B's of all time, Bardot. I can hear those long sighs of agreement!
Lynn
Posted by willderspin   ( 679 ) on May-31-07 at 15:10:19 PDT   Listings
I meant alert sellers, not them
Posted by willderspin   ( 679 ) on May-31-07 at 15:09:41 PDT   Listings
EBAY HALL OF SHAME

If folks see on this board, and stamp that is obviously not what it claims to be and the seller has a history of this let me know and I will start a new page alerting them to this. The site receives hundreds of visits a day so it will help alert some folks. Scads used to do this, I dont think it has been updated for a couple of years now.
Posted by willderspin   ( 679 ) on May-31-07 at 15:01:19 PDT   Listings
DBENSON

That is criminal. There was one sold on ebay a couple of months ago where the seller had used a black marker to write the word forged on the reverse. Needless to say the word DEGROF was written across the front. Better yet, someone purchased it. Maybe I should have a ebay hall of dorks.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8266 ) on May-31-07 at 13:49:24 PDT   Listings
willderspin, I think a lot of sellers do that but most of the sellers use the lemming approach and ruin the item. At least it is not as bad as those who mark the items on the face of the stamps. One of the societies in Sydney was bequeathed a forgery collection in the 1950's and all the forgeries were handstamped on the face of the stamp by the owner with either the word FAUX or a small handstamped Star in Purple. It includes many Queensland used in BNG and some look very good to me,

David B.
Posted by willderspin   ( 679 ) on May-31-07 at 13:33:03 PDT   Listings
DBENSON

Personnaly I see no problem in writing the word forgery on a PNG file, then layer it on top of the stamp image and use that for ebay purposes. Oh did I just say that, naughty me
Posted by willderspin   ( 679 ) on May-31-07 at 13:31:19 PDT   Listings
Postal

Do not worry, she is as real as you want her to be
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3646 ) on May-31-07 at 13:05:48 PDT   Listings

waddaya mean, Betty Crocker is not real ???
Posted by dbenson   ( 8266 ) on May-31-07 at 12:54:09 PDT   Listings
Richard, the item that Claghorn referred to is a good example of destroying an item if it had marks applied to the reverse just for allowing it to be listed on Ebay. Someone should have a talk with the manager of Stamps.Ebay and tell them the idea destroys good philatelic collectable material,

I forgot, there is no manager of Stamps,

David B.
Posted by knuden   ( 2283 ) on May-31-07 at 12:52:00 PDT   Listings
Iomoon - Go here and click on "dealers" (don't worry, I'm not here.) :O)

K.E   Remember the Philatelic High School auctions !!  :O)
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on May-31-07 at 12:10:09 PDT   Listings
220man
You don't bury those faulty stamps. Stick them neatly on an old pea can and then cover them all with clear stick-on platic. Now your desktop has a place for tongs,pens,and magnifiers.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-31-07 at 10:51:37 PDT   Listings
Roger

Where on your site is the eBay Hall of Fame and Shame?
Posted by willderspin   ( 675 ) on May-31-07 at 10:15:37 PDT   Listings
DBENSON

If you go to my site http://www.theswedishtiger.com and look at my ebay Hall of Fame and Shame you will see my comments about Ruby. The site generates about one email per week complainging about this dealer. Probably the most complaint is selling items that are not what they supposed to be. Fortunately ebay has been putting a warning at the end of the listing process that advises sellers that this is not good practice. I am sure that this aggressive approach will deter Ruby and all other sellers of his ilk. I am so happy that ebay is taking this proactive and effective course of action.
Posted by 1covers   ( 1354 ) on May-31-07 at 06:35:25 PDT   Listings
Luckily, I sold my rather extensive collection of CSA period forgeries and mock stamps several years ago. I had a feeling that ebay would essentially kill the free internet market.

In my humble opinion, the regulation that items have to marked on the reverse is insane. The period forgeries have value and interest for what they are, not as "deceptive" items meant to defraud. I believe the APS in their infinite wisdom has backed the policy of marking things on the reverse. Hard to believe.
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-31-07 at 06:30:33 PDT   Listings
de66 I have a feeling Brandon P. is no more a real person than Betty Crocker.

D2... Theres more going on than meets the eye, but I cant figure out what. I have regularly reported laughably obvious fakes/forgeries/manipulations of stamps and certain sellers are completely immune to action from eBay or APS. Power Seller status (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with it, nor does the category in which the item was listed, but some machinery is at work behind the scenes that makes sure that the system works in a very lopsided way. D1 is on one side of a mysterious line, rubystamps on another, a line only those with special glasses can see. All in the name of good clean fraud.

I would encourage D1 to follow up with Brandon P as Roger has suggested, and report back here with any results.

Jim
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on May-31-07 at 06:18:13 PDT   Listings
D1 Why would some items not get pulled?
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-31-07 at 06:07:40 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

B is for Bulgaria.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1342 ) on May-31-07 at 04:59:39 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all



Jim L.

member
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on May-31-07 at 04:39:01 PDT   Listings
D1 Maybe list them in eBay UK
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on May-31-07 at 04:24:48 PDT   Listings
D1 Someone is getting confused between counterfeit currency and historical document imitations. It is a matter of semantics. Perhaps you should avoid hot button words such as forgery and counterfeit. Imitation and reproduction seem less provocative. Facsimile also could invoke Philatelic interest but not eBay knee jerk.

The concern to the US treasury about counterfeit currency and mint US stamps is not relevant to old paper imitations.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8253 ) on May-31-07 at 02:00:50 PDT   Listings
Roger & D1,

It just shows how ludicrous the system is, the item that was relisted with the advice of the Powerseller rep. was done without the rep. knwing how the system works and Roger was lucky that he/she was trying to do a good deed. I am a Powerseller and have had many items cancelled and haven't been contacted by a rep., I just can't be bothered listing any as I know they will get cancelled and I completely object to marking them on reverse.

Roger, I noticed that Ruby has 2 Newfoundland fakes in that list marked as Repos in pencil with the word Repoduction (sic) in the title, they are only the ones in the fake category, there must be 100's in ordinary categories not including the various modern computer replicas which are listed.

David B.
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on May-30-07 at 23:37:58 PDT   Listings
D 1 -
Send the eBay employee, Brandon, an reply email showing this link:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-stamps.html

Then ask him why eBay promotes the sale of items in this category?
http://stamps.listings.ebay.com/Topical-Specialty_Fakes-Reproductions_W0QQfromZR4QQsacatZ139792QQsocmdZListingItemList

Should be interesting response.

Then finally ask him what are the differences between fakes, forgeries, reproductions, and counterfeits and how are they defined by eBay? And how does one list items in a category that apparently is not allowed?

Roger
Posted by de66   ( 1082 ) on May-30-07 at 22:14:04 PDT   Listings
Printing Plate

Re Forgeries


A quick check on this and here is a copper printing plate to print as many cheques as you want, now how open to fraud is this, yet eBay allow it. What a joke!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bank-Van-Diemens-Land-copper-cheque-printingplate1890_W0QQitemZ160122485459QQihZ006QQcategoryZ27152QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

D1
Posted by de66   ( 1082 ) on May-30-07 at 21:53:32 PDT   Listings
Forgeries:

Just got this from eBay:

Dear Dave,

Thank you for writing eBay in regard to listing Counterfeit Currency and
Stamps.

U.S. federal laws strictly prohibit the sale of counterfeit stamps, as
well as equipment designed to make these illegal products. U.S. law also
protects stamps from counterfeiters. Therefore, these counterfeit items
may not be listed on eBay. Sellers should be compliant with all federal,
state, and local laws while listing stamps on eBay.

If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to reply to this
email and let us know.

Sincerely,
Brandon P.
eBay Customer Support


So some arse is dobbing me in! if you are reading this go get a life!



D1
Posted by 22028   ( 1608 ) on May-30-07 at 21:10:31 PDT   Listings
I know, Iraq stamps and postal history are not the most famous these days.
I have added a questions and mysteries page on my Web Page related to Iraq Railway stamps.., maybe someone has a friend whose brother is having a work maid and his wifes friend has some answers or hints..
http://fuchs-online.com/iraq/questions.htm
Posted by willderspin   ( 675 ) on May-30-07 at 20:24:24 PDT   Listings
Here was the item

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320117793567&ssPageName=STRK:MESO:IT&ih=011
Posted by willderspin   ( 675 ) on May-30-07 at 20:24:02 PDT   Listings
Regarding selling Forgeries

I just sold this item in the Canadian Stamp category, and NOT the forgery section. I chose to list it in the Canadian Stamp collection because it gets more exposure there. Initialy when I listed this ebay pulled it, But then, as I am a Powerseller, a powerseller rep called up the next day and apologized profusely, and walked me through the listing and waited whilst I loaded a scan of the reverse marked with the word Forgery. She assured, me the honoured power seller, that I should experience no further problems. And true to the ebay reps word I did not and ended up with a sale at a price that far exceeded my ecpectations.

Now if I was one of the good ship ebays steerage class I would have probably had my listing pulled for good, and have been forced to see it consigned to the forgery classification dungeon, where it would have sold for a pittance.

So, in ebay money talks etc etc etc
Posted by kathmoon   ( 250 ) on May-30-07 at 19:25:06 PDT   Listings
abt1950: I am sorting out a box of "junk" that I obtained at the local stamp club last week. In that box were 2 Egypt covers - both with Censor labels. One is franked with 5 color Farouks - very attractive cover. The other, with 2. I do not know how to attach a link on the Board - but I do know how to attach scans to Emails. I would love to have your opinion. My email is Kathmoon at AOL dot com. Nick
Posted by de66   ( 1082 ) on May-30-07 at 18:42:37 PDT   Listings
Thanks Cobbie

So some @#$#@! is dobbing me in, even though i am stating they are forgeries and they are marked on the back as forgeries. There is no con here, they came to me via a large lot from Nutmeg auctions. Its not like i am printing them in my back yard!

D1
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1979 ) on May-30-07 at 18:20:39 PDT   Listings
danny: it does look a Spanish American War soldier's letter, but probably from a domestic camp. Can't read the postmark but it is the right style.
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6160 ) on May-30-07 at 16:58:57 PDT   Listings
DE66

Are you listing them in the correct category ? I.E. the one specifically for Forgeries ? If you are listing them under New Zealand, then they will keep getting removed ( when reported ). Enough removals and you could get banned from selling for a while.
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on May-30-07 at 16:48:52 PDT   Listings
Sorry - George's record shows Date of Birth, so couldn't have received the letter, unless it was a fake cancel. LOL
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on May-30-07 at 16:46:30 PDT   Listings
Sometimes studing a small area allows one to make an "expert opinion". What's wrong with this auction?
http://cgi.ebay.com/SWITZERLAND-Sc-64-65-used-NEUCHATEL-CV-265_W0QQitemZ130119850840

See here for an opportunity to judge for yourself:

http://www.ilhawaii.net/~rheath/razorexhibit2006/3_page07.html

I've also notified the seller. Let's see if everyone reaches the same conclusion!

Roger - )'>)

Danny:
Here's where George Kunkler could have been living at the time (scroll down):
http://www.blacksheepancestors.com/usa/illinois_reformatory4.shtml

and he wrote a letter to here:
http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=2419

Could this be the reason there was no return "address", just a name which was on file?
Posted by deh3   ( 1650 ) on May-30-07 at 16:13:32 PDT   Listings
Can anyone identify what the place of origin of this American cover is? Perhaps a cover from a US soldier abroad?

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb173/DHandelman2/USA79.jpg

thanks in advance,
Danny
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on May-30-07 at 15:29:07 PDT   Listings
DuncanThe Sonic scam was very well thought out and planned, the number of images that were doctored took more than a few hours. Apparently he reported his stamps as stolen to the police in a burglary and they didn't link the eBay fraud to this immediately. They are now looking for him but he has left the property he was renting and the rent runs out in a few days! Here's an example of the type of the type of change

From the SG site
http://www.stanleygibbons.com/shop/index.asp?page=item&stockID=P07805344&nav_selected=23

From sonic
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23741&item=250113537008

I have a feeling this guy will be back unless caught!
Peter
Posted by de66   ( 1082 ) on May-30-07 at 15:18:06 PDT   Listings
A copule of days ago i told you all about eBay closing one of my lots of forgeries, because i never stated they were marked on the back of the astamp as such.

Well i reloted them stating they are marked as such on the back. I got 3 bid and 16 lookers and now eBay have closed the lot again.

How frustrating.


Any body know what else i can do?

tis is the email i got:


Dear de66,

You recently listed the following auction-style listing:

280119461916 - New Zealand imperf forgeries Nice Fillers


The auction-style listing was removed because it violated the eBay Counterfeit Currency and Stamps policy. All fees related to this listing have been credited to your account. We also notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has
been canceled.



In most countries around the world, including the U.S., it's illegal to sell counterfeit currency and stamps, as well as the equipment designed to make these items. For this reason, listings for these items are not permitted on eBay.

Sellers *can* list forged stamps, facsimiles, and reproductions as long the item is clearly and indelibly marked as such on the front or back. Sellers need to make sure that they are in compliance with all applicable federal, state, and local laws before listing stamps on eBay.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 337 ) on May-30-07 at 15:17:33 PDT   Listings
220man...sarge is still around and pennystamps is now running his own auction site where one can sell stamps and postcards with no listing or final value fees.
Posted by duncan_doenitz   ( 120 ) on May-30-07 at 15:00:22 PDT   Listings
To greenwave4u and others tracking the scam auctions of sonic6623, as you mentioned, Peter, feedback indicates that he has been telling buyers that his laptop AND STAMPS were stolen.

Well since the stamps in the auctions didn't exist, except as images "borrowed" from legitimate auctions, that pretty much eliminates the possibility that the stamps could've been stolen!

Which narrows down the field of suspects to the seller and possibly David Copperfield - didn't he make the Statue of Liberty disappear?

The seller left feedback for those buyers who made an immediate payment, totalling up to roughly 200 auctions for which he received payment for sure, out of about 400 bogus auctions listed.

Some of the other buyers were warned, but still there were a lot of victims. PayPal apparently only offers protection for one auction item if the buyer makes multiple purchases from the same seller. PayPal, eBay and the buyers were all hit hard.

Feedback also reveals that delinquent buyers were receiving (automated?) requests from eBay to pay for the bogus items long after the scammer was revealed. Duh!

On a completely different subject, off topic except that the items might be considered collectibles by some, the latest US dollar coin has been issued, the John Adams dollar for our second president. At first glance they don't seem to be as heavily battered and scarred as the George Washington dollars have been. Starting out in bins of 150,000 as they were minted has been rough on the coins.
Posted by abt1950   ( 227 ) on May-30-07 at 14:55:42 PDT   Listings
Scotch is also served at the balcony bar. High quality single malt.

Munch (Pennystamps) left eBay in disgust and founded his own stamp auction site and chatboard. Sneeky and a few other eBay old timers hang out there.

Last I heard, via the grapevine was that Sarge was pretty sick. Hope he's doing better.

Anne
Posted by 220man   ( 151 ) on May-30-07 at 13:35:05 PDT   Listings
claghorn: I was here then and remember that seller. I date back to the time of "Sarge" and "Pennystamps." (Whatever happened to them?) I have little expertise compared with most of the board regulars, but I've always enjoyed watching and learning. There is always someone who knows the answers!
Phil
Posted by infla-alec   ( 537 ) on May-30-07 at 11:52:54 PDT   Listings
.com V .uk listing Personally I feel that listing in .com brings in better results than in ebay.uk In my opinion the majority of buyers will search .com regardless of where they reside. The key factor being
to be sure you have the items listed in the correct category and mention in either title or description the key search words. Their use should enable the serious collectors to find your item.
No matter which ebay I have listings in and I have used several with different currencies I always give the buyer the option of paying in whichever currency suits them best. With Paypal you can accept payment in numerous currencies, and I have three different currency bank accounts so it isn't really a problem for me. Of course with Paypal once paid you have to accept that converting from GB for example into US $ will be at their fixed exchange rate. Usually worse than the official buying rates. That said as a seller you can't have your cake and eat it. It's a competitive market out there and I find that if you are willing to be accomodating to ALL bidders then chances are they will become repeat customers.
As to wether UK ebayers will be able to view items by default listed in .com and vice versa I don't know. For sure ebay seem to be tinkering with things that simply don't need fixing.

Posting fonts and size The only time I object to postings here is when they are of a personal nature and deemed to be offensive. Arguably yes the board only holds 200 posts and someone's good morning wishes or general chat post may result in an interesting philatelic post disappearing off the end of the board. But that is a simple fact of life it happens. Most here I think manage to read the board at least once a day and so very little is ever missed being read or commented upon. The only who may not be able at present to view all the messages is Bob who is relying on library internet access.
The above opinions are simply what I think. Others can agree or disagree with them as they see fit.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on May-30-07 at 11:47:33 PDT   Listings
220man Sorry. Chicken Fried Steak was an inside joke for the old timers on this board. There was a buyer some time ago who bought defective stamps and then repaired them and sold them "as you see it" without describing the repairs. I wanted to get a chuckle from the old timers.
Posted by 220man   ( 151 ) on May-30-07 at 11:42:14 PDT   Listings
OK, i'll recycle instead of frying!
Phil
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on May-30-07 at 11:42:04 PDT   Listings
Jaywild Jim I could not resist.
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-30-07 at 10:58:30 PDT   Listings
Io I must say however that this is my favorite brew. It is filtered through hickory charcoal, and it is an extraordinarily smooth tasting whiskey with a perfect finish. To me Scotch is a little sweeter than bourbon. I tried quite a lot of whiskeys, believe you me.

?

claghorn... That was a good one!!! Seriously, 220man put your stamps in a recycling bin. Stick them in a discarded envelope first, so they dont get scattered around. Its what I do with the ones I come across who need to be put to sleep. I like to think that perhaps they might even end up in new stamps some day.

Jim
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on May-30-07 at 10:45:51 PDT   Listings
220man Your defective washington franklin could be turned into Chicken Fried Steak. ;-(
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Posted by paperhistory   ( 1979 ) on May-30-07 at 10:30:02 PDT   Listings
jim: I seem to recall that the official adult beverage of the ebay stamp board was the Riga Black Balsam, but that was some years ago...
Posted by 220man   ( 151 ) on May-30-07 at 10:24:53 PDT   Listings
I'm wading-in on sorting a pile of WF's and am finding a lot of badly damaged stamps -- tears, folds, pinholes. Any thoughts on giving them a decent burial?
Phil
Posted by knuden   ( 2283 ) on May-30-07 at 09:37:54 PDT   Listings
Jaywild



K.E   Remember the Philatelic High School auctions !!  :O)
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-30-07 at 09:05:13 PDT   Listings
Jim

Through the courtesy of Phil let's make that one philatelic.
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-30-07 at 08:19:16 PDT   Listings
knuden Perhaps a wee dram of this in your coffee might be just the thing

Jim
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3643 ) on May-30-07 at 06:10:07 PDT   Listings

Delightful TEXAS SQUALL this morning.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3643 ) on May-30-07 at 06:09:50 PDT   Listings

Delightful TEXAS SQUALL this morning.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-30-07 at 05:31:38 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

figmente

That auction of mint sheets is truly astounding.
I figure that the auction must have finished at about $600 above face value.

Yes, items from the UK have prices for S&H which translate from 1 pound to $2. Even winning items at a 0.99 pound start is just not worth it.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1342 ) on May-30-07 at 04:24:42 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Jim L.

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Posted by cwhutch   ( 656 ) on May-30-07 at 03:12:00 PDT   Listings
Good morning.

Hutch
Posted by knuden   ( 2283 ) on May-30-07 at 00:45:01 PDT   Listings
Lindy - Thanks for the :O)

K.E   Remember the Philatelic High School auctions !!  :O)
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 369 ) on May-30-07 at 00:31:27 PDT   Listings

(_)] coffee for Knud, and I agree !! keep posting Jim
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 369 ) on May-30-07 at 00:30:05 PDT   Listings
icedchilli. No commercial value Im afraid. There were many many FDCs prepared with the WINDSOR POSTMARK for the Wedding. (its a Town, where the Castle is, and from where the Royal Family take their title). Royalty really do not have a surname, WINDSOR is only used when they are in the military or such.
First Day Postmarks are usually applied many many days or weeks in advance of the issue of the stamps, and bear no relevance to whether or not the actual Post Office was open on that day.
Posted by knuden   ( 2283 ) on May-30-07 at 00:27:21 PDT   Listings
Good morning from foggy wet Denmark.

Jim L. - Please keep on posting your colorfull signature post. It light up my day and I use it as a stopmark, to where I have been reading. As long a posting isn't blasfemic, political or hatefull (or a picture) - no one should tell other what to do. As far I know, it's still a free world, we are living in (most of us). As there have been said many times before "If you, for some reason, don't like a posting - scroll pass it!!"
Will someone pass me the coffee. :O)

K.E   Remember the Philatelic High School auctions !!  :O)
Posted by 22028   ( 1608 ) on May-29-07 at 22:31:36 PDT   Listings
icedchilli2, I am afraid, with the exception of some sentimental value, very very little monetary value is in your Charles & Diana cover...
Posted by icedchilli2   ( 20 ) on May-29-07 at 22:08:16 PDT   Listings
Guys,
I have a UK first day cover of the charles and diana wedding, the stamp is dated on the day of the wedding, which is wrong as this was a stat holiday and the post mark is Windsor. which would be there surname. Is this first day cover worth any decent money.
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-29-07 at 21:56:26 PDT   Listings
Jeff S Congratulations on your mixed franking newspaper!! I was watching that one myself, but decided not to go for it.

Jim L... For what my opinion is worth, I dont mind your posts even when they are big. Since the default font size of this board has been determined from on high to be too small to read, its only logical that people try out different ways to cope.

Jim
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 631 ) on May-29-07 at 21:00:21 PDT   Listings
Jim L. I would not worry about your signature posts either! You have been around here forever and should not give-in to some semi-newbie that seems to have a problem with everybody.
Posted by figmente   ( 888 ) on May-29-07 at 18:20:14 PDT   Listings
I've often found searches on lower priced items to be over cluttered by UK sellers where the high postage rates to USA turn moderate sales prices into too high (much less the many which start out high).

I think that inquiries here about those old U.S. 3 cent commemorative sheets usually bring a quick response that they are saleable only as discount postage. Here's a pretty typical result showing this counsel to be a bit obsolete.

Posted by mini*lindy   ( 369 ) on May-29-07 at 18:05:58 PDT   Listings
Jim, I list on ebay aussie and ebay usa without problems, switching from one to the other sometimes in the same week.
You can list on ebay uk. but the prices will be in pounds and buyers MAY expect to be able to pay you in . That, and pointing out CLEARLY that shipping is from U.S.A (which of course may mean UK buyers have to pay VAT on arrival).
Also, if you do list on ebay.uk USA buyers may not be able to search for your Irish covers.
Lots of things to consider now! eBay certainly are making it more difficult to SELL WORLDWIDE.

Linda
Posted by stamphick!   ( 337 ) on May-29-07 at 17:49:33 PDT   Listings
jim_lawler...There's really nothing wrong with your post just as you are doing it now IMO. I wouldn't put much effort into learning how to tweak the font size command since soon you will not be able to use it at all.
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1342 ) on May-29-07 at 17:29:17 PDT   Listings

Greetings,
Ive tried to get things set up so that it comes out 12 point. Ive been given to understand that the default for the page is 10 point, dont know how it switches over to 12 when you cut and paste. The problem is that there are 7 sizes in HTML. Size 3 comes in to small and size four comes in to big. If someone knows how to get an in-between size in HTML Ill be delighted to take lessons.

My Greetings is set for font size 7, the largest font size. My Indiana Good Morning is set to four as is black the text following the greeting. So, it looks like the cut and paste is ends up with two different sizes for the same HTML size command.

One can get larger text by using the headline commands, but Im not really that advanced at this point and see no reason to reach that level at this time. If I get back into doing web pages again Ill need to update my HTML skills. (Or get a program that does the web pages for you.) But that might not even help here as Liveworld seems to have their own unique setup for HTML and WISISIG that really doesnt work for anything but plain text posting. :8^(

RE: Developing cross-border trade on eBay.co.uk
Does this mean that searches set up for Ships Worldwide did not get everything that was listed on eBay.co.uk? That might be part of why Im finding less Irish material to bid on lately. If so then Ill have to start logging in on eBay.co.uk for my Irish searches.

Does anyone here know what happens if a seller registered in the US tries to list on eBay UK? Ive a group
Of Irish covers Ive been holding off on listing and dont want to miss the British/Irish market when I list them.

Jim L.

member
ps
This is in font size 3 to check appearances.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3643 ) on May-29-07 at 17:14:18 PDT   Listings

New addition to my third class mail collection, and at a reasonable price - no doubt due to the mixed issue franking.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on May-29-07 at 15:37:51 PDT   Listings
Nice one Linda yes I do remember, but at least we won a test match on Monday even it was against 10 men:-). Seems like the guys have a shortage of balls:-)

Sonic update from the UK board, apparently he also reported his stamps as stolen as well as his laptop! Doh!
Peter
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 369 ) on May-29-07 at 15:30:19 PDT   Listings
Just for greenPeter some Aussie Bats and Balls

Well, Peter, I couldn't let the Aussies down, we do have the best bats and balls players in the world, remember!

Linda
:o)
Posted by rclwa   ( 965 ) on May-29-07 at 15:00:57 PDT   Listings
minncowgirl -- I recall that those decoders were being pushed in the 1990s, and many stamps then had hidden designs. I think there are a few dozen to find. Don't have a list--off the top of my head I recall the Halloween characters (Dracula, Frankenstein, etc) set of 5 was among them. I picked up a decoder myself, and would also be interested in finding a complete list.

Bob in WA
(no, computer not fixed yet, still in library)
Posted by bjornmu   ( 922 ) on May-29-07 at 14:44:20 PDT   Listings
Small world indeed!
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-29-07 at 14:41:13 PDT   Listings
Bjorn How weirdyou have a cover in your exhibit that was postmarked at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, in Tucson AZ. I worked there driving the kids of service personnel to and from an off-base junior high school, during the last two years of my undergraduate career. Small world.

Jim
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on May-29-07 at 13:54:55 PDT   Listings
RogerThe days of costing a pound when it was a dollar over your side are starting to change. There are many bargains to be had these days just because of the development of internet sales. The current strength of the pound against the dollar perhaps doesn't make it so obvious in comparisons. To get back to the eBay sales question maybe something to do with the avoidance of excise duty on purchases made by UK customers on US eBay, I guess a lot of packages come in unchecked. Interesting to speculate, I am sure our financial guru Paul can comment:-)
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3643 ) on May-29-07 at 12:41:33 PDT   Listings

hmm, peter wants balls?
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on May-29-07 at 12:33:49 PDT   Listings
I found this as an example -
http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipod-itunes/news/index.cfm?newsid=17010

and this with more examples -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip-Off_Britain
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on May-29-07 at 12:26:36 PDT   Listings
Ed -
Begs the question - how does "significantly impeding domestic trade on eBay.com" hurt anyone other than those who have too high a price for their auctions. It seems to me that world-wide appearance benefits everyone, if customers are willing to pay the shipping.

This is a general comment. All my relatives live in England, and I 've visited many times. The single main "cost of living" expense in Britain is actually a traditional mind set that equates "items unnecessary for life" should be high priced. The very richest people live theirs lives, and the "working class - middle class" strive to improve their lot, but to an outsider this majority group are under the thumb of government/industry. Much more so than the US where competition is taken for granted, and lower prices are expected through the competition. I find it amazing that many prices in GB are in pounds, what we pay in dollars. I often wonder why there are no bargains in GB! For some reason, unless I'm misinterpreting the eBay "studies", someone is applying the screws to eBay to reduce its presence in an uncontrolled world trade marketplace.

Roger
Posted by ed845   ( 4468 ) on May-29-07 at 11:55:03 PDT   Listings
More changes

***Developing cross-border trade on eBay.co.uk***

29 May, 2007 | 02:00PM BST

We wanted to share our plans for the development of cross-border trade on eBay.co.uk during the rest of 2007.
In February, we reduced the visibility of UK items on eBay.com, as they had reached a level where they were significantly impeding domestic trade on eBay.com. We are aware that a small percentage of sellers, who relied in whole or in part on US buyers, were significantly affected by this reduced visibility.

Since then, we have been planning how best to display some UK items on eBay.com and some US items on eBay.co.uk so that cross-border trade can thrive without impeding domestic trade on either site.

UK items on eBay.com

From 19th June, we will be conducting a test on eBay.com during which we will show UK items to a small percentage of US buyers. The test will include four variations, each of which will be seen by 1% of US buyers:

UK items will appear in main US search results
UK items will appear in main US search results, as long as the item is located in the UK, the seller is registered in the UK, and postage costs to the US have been specified
UK items will appear in the international expansion box in US search results
UK items will appear in the international expansion box in US search results, with the same conditions as the second variation
These variations will allow us to evaluate the best way to display UK items on eBay.com without harming domestic trade on eBay.com. We also expect that they will allow us to evaluate which UK categories are most suitable for visibility on eBay.com.

This test will run for about a month, ending in mid-July. We expect to take a final decision at the end of August on how we will display UK items on eBay.com.

US items on eBay.co.uk

We are also mid-way through tests in which we display US items on eBay.co.uk. These are slightly different to the tests above: we are showing US items by default in a small percentage of UK categories, as long as those US items offer Paypal, specify postage costs to the UK and are listed by sellers with 100 Feedback at 98% or greater positive.

Since March, we have been running the test in the following categories:

Business, Office & Industrial: Medical/Lab Equipment
Clothes, Shoes & Accessories: Womens Accessories
Collectables: Clocks
Collectables: Disneyana
Collectables: Knives/Swords
Consumer Electronics: MP3 Players
Jewellery & Watches: Watches
Stamps: United States
Toys & Games: Games
We will now be switching off the test in these categories, so that US items will no longer appear in them by default. In their place, we will be adding the following categories to the test:

Antiques: Ethnographic Antiques
Collectables: Advertising
Computing: PDAs
Consumer Electronics: Gadgets
Health & Beauty: Bath & Body
Health & Beauty: Make-Up/Cosmetics
Health & Beauty: Skin/Face Care
Home & Garden: Pet Supplies
Musical Instruments: Guitars
Photography: Film Cameras
Sporting Goods: Golf
This second phase of the test will last until the end of July, and we expect to take a final decision at the end of August on how we will display US items on eBay.co.uk.

Our goal with these tests is to create an environment, both on eBay.co.uk and on eBay.com, in which sellers who want to access overseas markets can do so without damaging the domestic trade in those markets. We also aim to balance the need to test carefully and thoroughly with the need to implement changes promptly so that sellers who trade overseas can do so effectively.
Posted by knuden   ( 2283 ) on May-29-07 at 11:50:47 PDT   Listings
Jubiiii - the find of the day (month?)
This wrapper there is (together with another type without fabrication number) only 20 used known. The one with fab. no. is known in 2 different number. I have one of each but the one with this number wasn't very clean and the cancel was bad too - in other words, I have been looking after a replacement for years and here it is! :O)

K.E   Remember the Philatelic High School !!  :O)
Posted by bjornmu   ( 922 ) on May-29-07 at 11:44:51 PDT   Listings
NOIP: Finished my one-frame exhibit on Sunday - yay! Exhibition is June 8-10. If anyone's interested I have made a PDF file of it.

NB 1: It's 3Mb in size! I'll try to make an HTML version when I find time.

NB 2: It's in Norwegian...
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on May-29-07 at 11:34:30 PDT   Listings
Mitch I guess as the police were involved they had to hold fire.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 631 ) on May-29-07 at 11:27:37 PDT   Listings
Peter That is good to see. I wrote ebay a complaint about him (as I'm sure many others did). Thanking ebay for saving us against crooks LOL. I guess they must have listened to somebodies. Kind of hard to figure out why it took them so long.

Jim D. I would not give you very good odds, on the chance, of that happening.
He's trying to take over. This guy dosen't like anybody and I suspect he's much more dangerous than our other "friend". Curious how he is sucking up to David B., lately.
Posted by malolo   ( 841 ) on May-29-07 at 11:25:16 PDT   Listings
JIm L -
I find it interesting that your browser widens the window when you increase the size of the font. My browsers just increases or decreases the size of the font within the same size window. From my perspective everyone who "fiddles" with the size of the font on this board is making things complicated for themselves.

When I copy and paste prochute's large text into my text application it coems out as 39pt Arial , your "Greetings" comes out as 39pt Times New Roman, "Indiana good morning" as 16 pt Times new Roman. Everything else on the page is 12 pt Arial.

Jaywild -
When I saw you mention Constantine, I loked at your scan immediately, then discovered it was a type of canceling machine. I have a razor cancel item sent to Constantine, Algeria and htought there might be a connection. If anyone ever use google to look at information about the Algeria Constantine, the geography of the city is pretty amazing.

Roger
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on May-29-07 at 11:15:24 PDT   Listings
Sonic6623 has gone to the land of NARU.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on May-29-07 at 11:09:12 PDT   Listings
I like the idea of an evolving B theme from bats to Balls. Come on everyone show us your balls:-)


Peter
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-29-07 at 09:19:41 PDT   Listings
NOIP For comparison this is a genuine Constantine, TYPE 3 dial a I believe.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-29-07 at 08:48:30 PDT   Listings
prochute Youll have to report your own postsboth of thembecause they dont violate any rules by which posts can be yanked.

Jim
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-29-07 at 08:46:44 PDT   Listings
NOIP I found a fake in my collection this morning.



This is actually a Constantine cancel, as I thought it was when I bought it, however the top portion has been drawn in. The NEW YORK N.Y. and the top part of the circle have been added by hand, and there is evidence of some abrasion in that area.

I had been trying to match the dial with the illustrations in the Payne/Morris Groth-Constantine book without success, and it was only after looking at the cancel with 40X did the manipulation became clear.

I dont remember who I bought this from, so theres no hope of a remedy there. Oh well, live & learn

Jim
Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on May-29-07 at 08:32:41 PDT   Listings
Gee! I guess it does.



If anyone wishes to report my large font post, please do so.
Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on May-29-07 at 08:31:24 PDT   Listings
O.K.

I didn't know the board held 200 posts regardless of the space involved to generate the post.

So I will try try a test to see if that in fact, holds water.
Posted by 220man   ( 151 ) on May-29-07 at 07:19:22 PDT   Listings
Didn't USPS recently stop using scrambled indicia?
Posted by wighwam   ( 285 ) on May-29-07 at 06:29:26 PDT   Listings
I think that this is what minncowgirl is refering to.
I have seen other stamps mentioned that have it. such as the Houdini stamp and a set of lighthouse stamps, but I have not seen a listing.

Stamp decoder: clear acrylic lens formerly sold by the USPS to see encoded imagery on some stamps; such as letters "USAF" on the 1997 Department of the Air Force commemorative.
Terry
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-29-07 at 06:28:41 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

minncowgirl

From the USPS site:

Scrambled Indicia: A patented process that conceals encoded text or graphics within the visible design. These hidden images can only be viewed through a special lens, the Stamp Decoder, available from the U.S. Postal Service.

Stamps including such features include:
Mars Pathfinder
Lighthouses
Jefferson Memorial and Capitol Dome
Columbus Commemorative panel

Amongst others.

Just blew 1,140 ISK at the Iceland stamp store.
Posted by 22028   ( 1608 ) on May-29-07 at 05:13:41 PDT   Listings
minncowgirl, are you talking about the small wordings in micro letters which are being found on some US and other world wide stamps?
Posted by vinnysf   ( 470 ) on May-29-07 at 04:58:26 PDT   Listings
minncowgirl are you talking about watermarks?
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1342 ) on May-29-07 at 04:55:06 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Some of the reasons for the size of the above is to add some color to this board.
If others will regularly add the Ebay Users Stamp Club logo to their posts Ill be glad to reduce the size of my greetings section.
As to size of the text font, depending on browser, when one increases the default size it also widens the window and you go to scrolling right to left and then down to read individual posts. So, I see reasons to continue this post as it currently is constructed. If it really bothers you, please figure out a work around of the all the factors and Ill be glad to consider making changes.
Size is not the only factor in readability, fonts designed with serifs are more readable for text in that they are less tiring on the eye. Several studies have been done. The one that the New York Times funded several years ago resulted in the typeface we call New York Times.

On Stamps one usually finds letters and numbers used as a headline rather than as text, but even so youll find more serifed fonts than sanserifed (without serif).

Jim L.

member
Posted by 22028   ( 1608 ) on May-29-07 at 03:12:32 PDT   Listings
Is someone here having experience with French Mail Auctions and their handling of VAT or Sales Tax as it is called in USA??
Posted by minncowgirl   ( 66 ) on May-29-07 at 00:24:55 PDT   Listings
Is there a list of stamps with hidden images(Scrambled Indicia)? If no one knows of such a list, could someone inform me of any stamps they know of that contain the images visible only with the USPS Stamp Decoder?
Thank you,in advance, for any information given.
Posted by vinnysf   ( 470 ) on May-29-07 at 00:22:38 PDT   Listings
i would end the listing and relist in just the fakes category only. but then i would have to still pay the fees. i'll wait and let ebay pull it again. at least that way i can get the fees refunded.
Posted by vinnysf   ( 470 ) on May-29-07 at 00:19:16 PDT   Listings
ahh ..okay. now i see what was wrong. thanks guys! i just tried to fix the category thing and they wont let me delete the "other" category. i guess you can only add or change one. ebay just sends a form letter for violations they never tell you specifically what was wrong.
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 369 ) on May-28-07 at 21:55:03 PDT   Listings
oh dear, another ebay, if its not broken yet, lets try to fix it!

wonder what will happen to Stamps in ebay.Australia's new re-shuffle of the categories?
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/au/200705.shtml#2007-05-29104143
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3643 ) on May-28-07 at 20:45:55 PDT   Listings

One can easily increase and decrease text size using the browser toolbar tool VIEW / TEXT SIZE to fit one's vision needs. Using oversize font size for posts is to me much like the DREADED SHOUTING of caps.
Posted by djs127   ( 588 ) on May-28-07 at 20:37:05 PDT   Listings
On Sunday I went with my 13 year old son to NOJEX stamp show for 2 hours. My son Aryeh found for me 2 dealers who had some nice US stamps for sale.
Now all of those stamps are in my national albums.
It was fun putting them into my albums yesterday and today as well as reorganizing some of the pages as I recently won 3 used national binders on Ebay.
for details about the dealers go to
http://forums.delphiforums.com/stamps/messages?msg=26489.1
David Snyder
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1342 ) on May-28-07 at 20:01:54 PDT   Listings
FWIW:
As another kind poster has noted, it's number of posts, not length of posts.
Readability on small screen monitors drives my font selections. Not everyone has 17 inch plus monitors.

I remember a time when there was a flurry of short posts in order to push off an offensive post. This was back in the early days, before LiveWorld.
member
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 369 ) on May-28-07 at 19:41:24 PDT   Listings
vinny red-dog Rick is right, if they are listed in regular stamp category eBay will pull them as miscategorized.
Last week, by accident, I listed 6 stamp lots under a pottery and porcelain category (I just hit sell same and didn't check!!). One got pulled by ebay and they told me to close the rest and re-list in the CORRECT category!.

you cannot use one correct and one incorrect category and hope to get away with it. I'm sure APS membership is not reliant on whether or not you obey ebay rules tho!!!!

Linda
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on May-28-07 at 19:27:07 PDT   Listings
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Posted by red-dog9   ( 2986 ) on May-28-07 at 18:56:42 PDT   Listings
VINNYSF
Your Pony Express and Confederate Facsimilis are also listed under Stamp>United States>Other category. Perhaps that is why they are getting pulled.
Rick
Posted by vinnysf   ( 470 ) on May-28-07 at 18:24:12 PDT   Listings
dbenson you're probably right.. even though i have it listed in the correct fakes and reproductions category it still feels like someone is singling me out as if i'm trying to rip people off. i'm the most honest person i know and now i could never become a member of the APS because i've been reported too many times.
Posted by vinnysf   ( 470 ) on May-28-07 at 18:18:20 PDT   Listings
mini lindy yes they are listed in teh fakes and reproductions category
Posted by mini*lindy   ( 369 ) on May-28-07 at 17:43:03 PDT   Listings
Bats.. Australia has bats too, and this Ghost Bat appeared in 1993 on a set of self-adhesive stamps depicting Threatened Species (6), issued by a new system of pre-printed stamps dispensed across the counter in any value from .45c to $9,999.99 !!
Well the idea was you weigh your parcel and the machine dispensed a self adhesive label printed to the correct rate. I'm not sure how long they were in use, but I have never seen one used, correctly, on a parcel. Had a few used philatelically on letters.

Vinny did you have your facsimilies listed in the correct category? Topical & Speciality > Fakes & Reproductions ??

Lindy
Posted by dbenson   ( 8253 ) on May-28-07 at 17:42:35 PDT   Listings
Vinny, Ebay doesn't give any more rights to list anything to beginners or powersellers. In you case most probably someone reported your items and no one has reported theirs.

David B.
Posted by vinnysf   ( 470 ) on May-28-07 at 16:21:31 PDT   Listings
yet again, ebay has pulled my listings. they are facsimili's which i have clearly stated in my title and description. i've been through this too many times with ebay. and i'm more familiar with this policy than i probably need to be. it makes me so angry that powersellers are allowed to list their fakes all the time and they never get them pulled. there are at least 75 listed right now that haven't been pulled.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 337 ) on May-28-07 at 12:45:02 PDT   Listings
prochute...The board holds 200 posts regardless of their size so no matter how big ones post is it doesn't limit what anyone else posts.
Posted by prochute   ( 67 ) on May-28-07 at 12:35:13 PDT   Listings
jim_lawler Is there any possibility of reducing font size and turning off the bold in your posts. I like your "Indiana Good Morning" and the nice choice of colors but that daily post does take up space that could hold two or three posts with some interesting reading.

Again, I ask you for yourconsideration and understanding.
Thank you.
Phil
Posted by billsey   ( 846 ) on May-28-07 at 12:24:20 PDT   Listings
Peter, got it and updated the website to point to it. When you have the A4 version done, I'll put it up as well.
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6160 ) on May-28-07 at 11:44:40 PDT   Listings
Thanks all for the information on the ovpt. I'll bookmark what you have posted for future information.

JFR Just sent you an email regarding your question.

Mark.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-28-07 at 10:57:01 PDT   Listings
Bats for sayasan!!!!
Posted by 22028   ( 1608 ) on May-28-07 at 10:05:14 PDT   Listings
Talking about Bats, here is a fruit bat from the Seychelles, affixed on a Harrison & Sons presentation card..
http://fuchs-online.com/auction/Seychelles_Harrison_card.jpg

and here is a bat on a booklet pane from Kuwait
http://fuchs-online.com/auction/kuwait-bat.jpg
Posted by keleofa   ( 3451 ) on May-28-07 at 09:41:33 PDT   Listings
Bats...

When I lived in American Samoa there were loads of fruit bats (maybe some are flying foxes) --- wingspans up to about 4' (1.3 meters). Most were lost after the hurricane cycle 1989-9 - nothing left to eat in the forest, many insects gone, too.

American Samoan bat (and a stamp)

Matt in Arizona
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 77 ) on May-28-07 at 09:35:57 PDT   Listings
Mitchell Thanks got your email, now renamed and on the way to you and Bill.
BillseyCYE
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on May-28-07 at 09:34:02 PDT   Listings
Winged wheel: design as overprint for Belgium, officials for National Railways.

Alec The confusion comes as US collectors use Scott which lists them in the parcel post and railway section.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 537 ) on May-28-07 at 09:17:29 PDT   Listings
Mark The winged wheel overprints are not Newspaper stamps to my knowledge but Railway Officials.
For those not aware the label attched simply requests that delivery not be made on a Sunday. This was a choice made by the sender.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-28-07 at 09:15:06 PDT   Listings
Yes, I know Carslbad is in New Mexico, but the bats prefer the bigger Texas insects just across the border!!
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-28-07 at 09:13:03 PDT   Listings
Another million Texas bats.

It's a wonder there are any insects in the State!
Posted by jaywild   ( 946 ) on May-28-07 at 09:08:38 PDT   Listings
Jeff S Wow! Nice bat colony. Bats are one of the most helpful creatures on earth, a decent sized colony (such as Austins) consuming literally tons of insects every night. We used to have bats in Arizona, that at night you could lure by throwing gravel up into the airthey would follow it down with a very faint rush of wings and tiny audible squeaks. They would even respond to a tennis shoe that way, Im sure out of curiosity more than anything else. A tennis shoe is probably 100 times the size of a bat and thus would not make any conceivable kind of meal.

Jim
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on May-28-07 at 08:58:38 PDT   Listings
Mark Cobbie 10 Here are Good ones

Forgery Identification Site

Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on May-28-07 at 08:48:55 PDT   Listings
Mark Cobbie10 It is a forgery. The good ones are printed with much finer and lighter ink. Also, the genuine have a break in thenupper left wing.
Posted by postalhysteria   ( 3643 ) on May-28-07 at 08:47:17 PDT   Listings

B is for BATS, top cover from Germany, bottom a stamp show souvenir with US bat stamp and bat cancel.

I don't know if you can read the caption in the photo but we were there last fall to watch the bats fly out of their under-bridge residences. We were a bit late in the year to witness all 1.5 million, but saw enough to appreciate the event.
Posted by breffington   ( 375 ) on May-28-07 at 08:34:10 PDT   Listings
CFRphoto: Thanks on behalf of all of us for your thorough primer on the Washington-Franklins and how to type them. You are a credit to the hobby.
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6160 ) on May-28-07 at 07:44:45 PDT   Listings
Talking of forgeries ( or not ), can anyone familiar with Belgium Newspaper Stamps tell me if this is genuine or a forgery ?

http://www.boomspeed.com/cobbie10/belgium.JPG

Thanks,
Mark.
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6160 ) on May-28-07 at 06:53:02 PDT   Listings
Re: Fakes & Forgeries

For the two people who have had their listings pulled. Obviously someone reported your items otherwise they would not have gotten removed ( someone from this board ? ).

Your only real chance to list them without them getting pulled is to put them in the category : Topical & Speciality > Fakes & Reproductions.

Not the best way to get them noticed, but unfortunately the only category that these should really be listed in. Unless that is you are the seller of the Jenny Invert reproductions in which case you have carte blanche to list in whatever category you see fit, despite the numerous reports made against the rubbish you peddle ( /end rant ).

Mark, recovering from Flu in May.
Posted by 22028   ( 1608 ) on May-28-07 at 06:43:06 PDT   Listings
B is for Baghdad West Railway Station.
http://fuchs-online.com/iraq/postal_history/Stations/Baghdad_West.htm

And the Center Bureau of Baghdad Railway plus an vintage Postcard of Baghdad Railway Station.
http://fuchs-online.com/iraq/introduction_misc2.htm
Posted by iomoon   ( 1051 ) on May-28-07 at 06:20:07 PDT   Listings
A thoughtful Memorial Day all.

B is for Bolivia.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1665 ) on May-28-07 at 06:11:59 PDT   Listings
NOIP:

I'm going on a short vacation, but will be back in time to go to NAPEX on Saturday.
I'll try and remember to wear a eUSC label of some sort.
If you're there and see the badge, stop for a moment and say hello.

My wife and I got tickets for the Antiques Roadshow that's coming to Baltimore June 16.
Of course the highlight would be to be one of the recorded evaluations.
But if not, at least I'll have the experience.
And get a few answers about a group of items I have.

Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on May-28-07 at 05:51:12 PDT   Listings
private_bids China Monkey info is avaialable HERE
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1342 ) on May-28-07 at 05:25:02 PDT   Listings
Greetings

and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


Thanks to willderspin, stjohnstamps, antonius-ra, jaywild, cfrphoto & 1847usa
Ive saved your remarks and printed off some of them to put with the bag of 3 cent Washingtons that need sorting. If we get a couple of rainy weeks Ive got something to keep me busy. :8^ )

Jim L.

member
Posted by meostamps   ( 98 ) on May-28-07 at 04:33:08 PDT   Listings
Antonius-Ra...Hi El Presidente..Currently have the contents of 4 No 10 size business envelopes sorted out on the stamp desk from Czechoslovakia and have found some off your list so far. No # 53, but have 2 others looking as I know you would like to see that hole gone. Started on Friday, need to finish by next weekend as I need the desk space, hehe. After I finish, I am already planning to send your listing to John9913, as he has several stockbooks of Czech. Also, his neighbor is an advanced Czech collector so another source. Stay safe and pat the puppy for us. Mike in NYC