eBay chatboard archive: Apr-09-07 to Apr-15-07 week

Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-12-07 at 15:04:09 PDT   Listings
Now we have both high wind and fire warnings.



We keep using acronyms as though we assume people know what they mean, so just in case they don't, SG = Stanley Gibbons, RL = Robson Lowe.
Posted by vonbag   ( 172 ) on Apr-12-07 at 15:01:18 PDT   Listings
Engage or not engage (in the perfs discussion)?


Apart from this temporary reflexion, neglecting that I saw all the pictures and I agree with Norvic, more importantly,
thank you to Jim (IO) and Bill B. (Jackstay) for their kind words and greeting!

The rare perforations, sooner or later end up in the hands of who can tell it (I think this was a Chinese proverb, or something LOL).

All the best,
Paolo
Posted by rolyrj   ( 4 ) on Apr-12-07 at 15:00:40 PDT   Listings
grrr link is Here
Posted by rolyrj   ( 4 ) on Apr-12-07 at 14:58:32 PDT   Listings
NOIP; If you really want a perf nightmare try this lot . What I have shown is less than half of the total variations for this ONE stamp. I have examples where the perf changes from one guage to another along one side of the stamp. ie. The perf starts from left to right along the top edge at 14 but at about the half way mark changes to 14½ or even 15. Now that really messes with your perg guages :)
Cheers,
Roly
Posted by cobbie10   ( 6080 ) on Apr-12-07 at 14:55:52 PDT   Listings
And if anyone wants the € sign, just hold down Alt and type 0128.
Posted by jimbo   ( 392 ) on Apr-12-07 at 14:35:58 PDT   Listings
norvic,
While holding down the [Alt] key, type 0190 then release the [Alt] key to get ¾. . .

6381 eagle,
I know that's what you meant and most would understand it, but some might not.

You can find these instructions by going to [start]>[All Programs]>[Accessories]>[System Tools]>[Character Map]. This fits for my XP Professional. My Windows 2000 Pro was similar but not the same. You may have to look around there for a while.

jimbo
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-12-07 at 14:35:34 PDT   Listings
All

I found font for Mozilla that will enable you to read mathematical html fonts, but can't find a way to convert keyboard so you can write them with going into WORD contortions or using the alt key.

Ian

Many thanks for the corrections to the Unofficial Royal Mail stocklist, hopefully I have corrected them all, except haven't got around to albums yet. CYE.
Posted by 6381eagle   ( 499 ) on Apr-12-07 at 14:22:56 PDT   Listings
norvic

For ¾ try alt+0190. You've got to type both zeros.

Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-12-07 at 14:05:19 PDT   Listings
roger,

with the Australian States all the knowledge that is needed is to know which perforation machines were used on which stamps. In some cases the pins weren't precisely spaced and measuring perfs. can be a nightmare and basic catalogues are a waste of time.

Notes in RL Volume V will answer 99% of queries without getting any other references,


David B.
Posted by malolo   ( 837 ) on Apr-12-07 at 13:54:30 PDT   Listings
)'>) Here we go again! LOL

It does no good to have the ability to measure perfs to the nearest 1/10,000,
if the catalogues only list stamps to the nearest 1/2.

My suggestion is to pick a catalogue, read the limitations in the forward, then proceed and keep all variations not worrying about the possible value. If you want to have a nightmare collect Australian States according to Scott! I guarantee it is not possible, every other stamp is a perf variety. Solution for most collectors would be the Gibbon's Australia Concise. I'm cerytain there are other Australion catalogues as useful.

Roger
Posted by norvic   ( 905 ) on Apr-12-07 at 13:43:31 PDT   Listings
Jim
Alt+190 gives me part of a drawn frame, so I must have the wrong keyboard setting to get 3/4.
I'll have to experiment a bit more.

Perforations
stamps12345 - I'll do it the way I've been doing for 50 years. And I know the difference between "YOUR" and "YOU'RE"
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Apr-12-07 at 13:25:58 PDT   Listings
For those trying to understand what is being discussed, all you need to do is look at CLAGHORN'S link were he measures a perf and doesn't start at the end ,he does it right without lineing up the first perf at the top on his sample .
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 74 ) on Apr-12-07 at 13:10:27 PDT   Listings
Jim From Word you can insert symbol and that will give you the math operators etc ?(?8

cheers

Peter
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Apr-12-07 at 13:03:32 PDT   Listings
NORVIC-----YOUR WRONG IN YOUR STATEMENT ------even when the stamp is started at your line the measurement is the same .It perfs out at 13.3,Do you need to see the scan or put your sample up to show a your correct way .
Posted by stamphick!   ( 336 ) on Apr-12-07 at 12:49:29 PDT   Listings
There are mathematical font packages available for windows but I don't think they come with the standard editions.

I remember that my masters thesis cost me about triple the normal fee since almost all of the 100 pages contained equations with summation or integral signs or Greek letters etc. The typist had an IBM typewriter and a board with replaceable keys to use to make all the symbols. How much easier things are today.
Posted by infla-alec   ( 521 ) on Apr-12-07 at 12:23:09 PDT   Listings
IO/Jim Never used it myself but I believe Windows Excel help section has a section on Formula and their use. More than that sorry I don't know.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-12-07 at 12:05:10 PDT   Listings
Does anyone know if windows has a mathematics font?
Posted by jaywild   ( 930 ) on Apr-12-07 at 11:49:12 PDT   Listings
norvic… There is a ¾, along with ? ? ? ? ? and ?.

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by jimbo   ( 392 ) on Apr-12-07 at 10:16:39 PDT   Listings
test,
¾ (alt+0190)

jimbo
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Apr-12-07 at 08:53:37 PDT   Listings
Jim Lawler et al

The Wayback Machine has a lot of ebay stamp chat days in the archive, although it seems not as many as last year. A little experimentation might find more. Try this URL:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://chatboards.ebay.com/
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1286 ) on Apr-12-07 at 08:20:43 PDT   Listings
norvic

Very possibly so. My how things have calmed down since the early days.

Jim L.
Posted by norvic   ( 905 ) on Apr-12-07 at 07:15:41 PDT   Listings
I nver use &#163 in HTML, European keyboards have £ and $ signs and the alt-codes give the rest, as with ½ and ¼ (I wonder why there isn't a 3/4 code?).
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-12-07 at 06:55:14 PDT   Listings
Having written that, if you change the fonts on your keyboard, they will work.

Thus Russian

???????????????????????????????

or Icelandic

ÖÐÞ

or Azeri

????????h???????????????????????
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Apr-12-07 at 06:46:04 PDT   Listings
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Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-12-07 at 06:38:13 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

Ian

If the html command letters are on your keyboard, they probably will work.
If they are not, they wont.

Thus a $ will work, but a £ probably wont on a US keyboard. Maybe.
Posted by norvic   ( 905 ) on Apr-12-07 at 06:25:10 PDT   Listings
Jim L
Hi, and thanks for the clarification. I'm sure we've crossed paths elsewhere? Deeter-list?

Ian
Posted by norvic   ( 905 ) on Apr-12-07 at 06:23:40 PDT   Listings
stamps12345

Your demonstration of perforation measurement is faulty, because the left-most perf tooth (or gap) should be on the left-most vertical line, not on the first diagonal line.


David. Although De La Rue printed and perforated the Malay stamps they used a variety of perforators, even for the Malay stamps, with the $1 being perf 13½, the 50c, $2, $5 being 12½ and the others either 13x12½ or 12½x13 depending on orientation. I agree it is most unlikely that the $5 stamp being queried is not one of these, especially as they were comb perforated. Whilst it is possible (remotely) that the $5 could turn up with 12½, any unusual combination (ie not one of those listed) would surely have been found by now.


ALL
HTML here. So far I have managed to post with 'occasional' HTML. Other than in this posting, I have used the {b} bold code to address individuals, but not used any {p} or {/br} codes and the message has still appeared as intended. (So far!)
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1286 ) on Apr-12-07 at 06:03:28 PDT   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


norvic
As has already been posted, once a message scrolls off the 200 on this page it is not archived by Live World or eBay and is not searchable. You’ll need to ask on the board, as some do archive the pages on a regular basis.

Jim L.
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Apr-12-07 at 05:47:42 PDT   Listings
That Morley-Bright web page seems to be translated from some language other than any brand of English.
Posted by flip138   ( 375 ) on Apr-12-07 at 01:06:24 PDT   Listings
Thank you all for the information on the watermark detector.

peetah

I have two perf versions of that Selangor $5 stamp. My first has 22 horizontal teeth x 16 vertical teeth. My second has 23 horizontal teeth x 16 vertical teeth, which is the same as the stamp you linked to.

Using a Peerless plastic gauge and reading to the nearest quarter unit, I make my first stamp perf 12.75 x 12.75 and my second stamp perf 13 x 12.75. If the "12.75" is really slightly lower (e.g. 12.7), then Gibbons would round it down to 12.5 and list as perf 12.5 and perf 13 x 12.5.

Counting the teeth or comparing the stamps directly against each other may be more helpful than relying solely on the perf gauge. For what it's worth, I've known dealers get the perfs wrong on these issues, and I sometimes carry cheap unambiguous examples of each type (i.e. stamps only issued with that perf) to check against their stock.

Hope this helps.

Phil
Posted by jaywild   ( 930 ) on Apr-11-07 at 22:21:54 PDT   Listings
Sorry—I goofed… The distance would be Zone 4, not Zone 3, however that is irrelevant since the minimum insurance charge for anything on April 13 1957 was 20¢, which is what the cover is franked with.

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by jaywild   ( 930 ) on Apr-11-07 at 21:30:59 PDT   Listings
NOIP—Rate Question… I am trying to figure out the postage on this cover. The date is April 13 1957. Since this is from the Treasury Department, wouldn’t this be free-franked automatically, even without the penalty admonition? If so then the 20¢ paid would account for insurance for goods worth $25.01-$50, and the penciled “$40” at lower right could have indicated the value of the merchandise.

Otherwise I can’t make this rate fit into fourth class mail, insured. (It would be Zone 3 if it were fourth-class, standard mail B. I am using Beecher & Wawrukiewicz for my rate info.) Thanks in advance, if anyone has any ideas.

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Apr-11-07 at 21:27:29 PDT   Listings
PEETAH ----Here is another stamp using a different gauge it measures 13.3 Different stamp and different gauge.....paul
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Apr-11-07 at 21:24:44 PDT   Listings
Paul Sometimes it is fun to use toosl such as THIS click on vertical or horizontal and count the perfs in 2 centimeters, just for fun.

Forgery Identification Site

Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Apr-11-07 at 21:17:34 PDT   Listings
PEETAH ---Try getting a Showgard philatelic Gauge the plastic is stable and I found it the best to work with .,let me make another scan
Posted by peetah   ( 469 ) on Apr-11-07 at 21:08:10 PDT   Listings
stamps12345 Yes, I agree. That is the measurement of your stamp. But, it is not my stamp.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Apr-11-07 at 21:02:29 PDT   Listings
PEETAH------You need help from a stamp licker ......Here is the correct measurement on your stamp PEETAH STAMP......hope this helps ...paul
Posted by peetah   ( 469 ) on Apr-11-07 at 21:02:15 PDT   Listings
dbenson There is a major Philatelic Show May 4-6 I will look to pick up one of those Instanta gauges. Being plastic though, I wonder of the stability of the material. A few years back there was a recall of a bunch of plastic gauges here in the States similar in appearance to the Instanta.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-11-07 at 20:47:57 PDT   Listings
peetah, try a plastic gauge like this with the lines in the centre which allows exact measurements. I have found them better than the metal gauges which are not as exact,

http://www.stanleygibbons.com/shop/index.asp?page=item&stockID=R2534&nav_selected=36

David B.
Posted by peetah   ( 469 ) on Apr-11-07 at 20:42:22 PDT   Listings
malolo dkru dbenson WOW! Now, you have given me something to chew on! I'll save your comments for further reading/study.
dbenson The perf gauges I used were Unitrade (made in Canada)and White Ace (made in USA)and both metal. Additionally,(a couple weeks ago) a third Club member used a different one, plastic as I recall, but I don't know the maker. He got the same 13.5 by 13.
Posted by malolo   ( 837 ) on Apr-11-07 at 19:02:13 PDT   Listings
peetah -
There is a regularly misidentified Swiss stamp, 87b, Zumstein 71E. It was created in 1901 from mostly older sheets fed through a new perforator, 11 1/2 x 12. It is a rare stamp!
The first Standing Helvetia were perforated 11 3/4 x 11/34. So what's the problem? Well, for starters Scott lists the perforation as 11 1/2, which it's not. Second, collectors who have the early printings seem to get 11 1/2 x 12 out of the 11 3/4. This is not deceitful, but my guess is they truly think they have the rare variety. What is the easiest method of confirming th estamp is not an 87b, if the cancel is between 1882-93 it is an 87. If the cancel is 1901-02, it willbe the more valuable version. Both stamps have 14 perfs on each side so counting perfs is out, but when placed together the 11 3/4 stamp is slightly longer than the 11 1/2.

This is why David writes that specialists and specialty catalogues are essential when one finds something other than that listed in a general catalogue. If you look at the Scott catalogue in the Standing Helvetia section 1882-1908 you can believe it possible to collect most varieties. The problem being when you look at the specialized catalogue you discover different identifiable printings that could keep you looking at the stamsp for th erest of your life!

Roger
Posted by dkru   ( 354 ) on Apr-11-07 at 18:45:58 PDT   Listings
peetah...My measurement on your stamp is 13.3 x 13.2, +/- a tenth or so, based on counting fractional holes and measuring the mm dimensions of my own copy. Have you checked the perf's side by side with those of the $1 value (nominal perf 13.5 x 13.5)?

Dana

Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-11-07 at 18:21:36 PDT   Listings
peetah, I have has the same problem many times myself with variances from what the catalogues state and what I measaure the stamp as but the gauge quoted in normal catalogues are rounded out and should not be taken as exact. There would most probably be specialist catalogues or articles which mention these variances but the standard catalogues don't worry about it. I know a few specialists of Malayan States and the next time I meet one I will ask him what references they use for these perforation variances.

Which perforation gauge were you using, I personally use a plastic gauge which is similar to Instanta and apart from increments shows angles. Have you measured the number of holes to 2cm. to ensure it is an even number,


David B.
Posted by peetah   ( 469 ) on Apr-11-07 at 18:04:29 PDT   Listings
dbenson I can only repeat what I posted earlier, I have perfed about 1000 stamps from the area/era and this one stamp below, is the only one that perfs 13.5 by 13. Also, I just returned from a club meeting where 2 members who looked at it, agreed it was perf 13.5 by 13. They did so independently. I gave neither of them my finding, nor did one know what the other perfed it at. Do a 30 day seller search if you'd like and you will see those that I offered from the 1000 or so I checked for perfs and watermarks.
iomoon I guess the html snafu is another of eBay's "Improvements"?
Posted by malolo   ( 837 ) on Apr-11-07 at 16:55:50 PDT   Listings
BTW - That DOES count as a philatelic post as anything illegal can be considered philatelic. Scroll me off the Board. LOL

Roger
Posted by malolo   ( 837 ) on Apr-11-07 at 16:52:41 PDT   Listings
That's got to be illegal! Somdomite, sort of like Vegemite?
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-11-07 at 16:35:44 PDT   Listings
Roger

Don't worry.

"In 1895, when the Marquess of Queensberry--he of the boxing rules--stopped at the private club of Oscar Wilde and left a card addressed to "Oscar Wilde posing Somdomite," the stylish Wilde, a master of the exquisitely crafted sentence and pointed aphorism, might well have had the man prosecuted for bad spelling and vague syntax."
Posted by malolo   ( 837 ) on Apr-11-07 at 16:13:21 PDT   Listings
I can spelll but my fingers agsain refuse to participate. Grrrr.
Posted by malolo   ( 837 ) on Apr-11-07 at 16:11:39 PDT   Listings
One aspect of edited posts is that subsequent posts sometimes seem wierd becasue the original post was changed. I believe it much better to correct ASAP, than to edit a post. Here, as suggested by Anne, the speed of deleting a post often negates confusion later in the day.

I think the difference between a threaded board and a chat, such as this, can be compared to debates within our House of Representatives, and the British Parliment. One is a succession of speaches, the other a debate quite often without notes. If you have ever watched Prime Minister's Question on TV you will frequently hear heckling, "reading, reading", wich means th equestioner is reading their question. It is expected the a questioner is familiar enough with the subject to ask questions without having to read them. This leads to humor, impromptu remarks and other less formal comments, but the whole time order is required and conventions followed.

US government really doesn't follow debate procedures, and the Speaker can cut off members at any point. Of course it raises a stink, but who likes to be cut off in mid sentence. If you got this far, congratulations, and please don't report this post.

Roger
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-11-07 at 16:10:54 PDT   Listings
D2

Not sure that the "Englsih" lessons will do them much good but maybe if they undergo corrective eye surgery, like you, it may improve.

My apologies, I couldn't resist that one. :-)

We all screw up every so often.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-11-07 at 16:00:43 PDT   Listings
peetah

It seems that the board will no longer take straight html.
You have to write an html page that appears as you want it to, then cut and paste it to the chatboard.

Just did a major update to the Unofficial Royal Mail stocklist site.
So far I've only managed stamps, presentation packs, cards, definitives, S/s's, Smilers and country stamps. Lots of changes due to changes in NVI rates. I'll finish all the coin cover and albums later.
Posted by sheryll*net   ( 91 ) on Apr-11-07 at 15:56:58 PDT   Listings
Ian - One way to edit your posts on this board is to repost with the edited version, then report the previous post using the "Report" button at the right of the post. After some time, the reported post will disappear.

S2
Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-11-07 at 15:53:20 PDT   Listings
IO,

The lastest Paypal scam writers need to undertake some urgent Englsih lessons before they try again,

" We ask that you fallow at least 72 hours for the case to be investigated and we strongly recomanded to verify your account in that time. "

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-11-07 at 15:42:13 PDT   Listings
peetah,

I am sorry that you doi not like the answer but the stamps were not produced by a small printing company but by De La Rue who used sophisticated equipment for printing and perforating. The chances of a variance from the normal would be virtually impossible. I would suggest that you also check the perfs. of similar stamps, any of the 1962 printings of any of the Malay States,

David B.
Posted by peetah   ( 469 ) on Apr-11-07 at 15:13:48 PDT   Listings
iomoon don't know what happened to my fraction. Looked good when I tested them before posting. I did not put "amp" in the code at all. It should have worked, though I can see I missed one semicolon.
dbensonOdd then, that after having perfed some 1000 or so stamps of the area/era (though not sure if there was another $5 in the lots)the stamp below is the only one that does not agree with either Scott or S Gibbons (nor dbenson). The stamp is indeed perfed 13.5 by 13.

I wonder, is it possible for someone here to perf the stamp from the picture I posted? Is that something that can be done from a technical point?
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-11-07 at 14:35:46 PDT   Listings
DC

If it were me, I would just soak the other stamps off the cover and sell them as used. I don't think a cover collector is going to want a cover with missing stamps.

Morley-Bright.


½½½½ ---- testing
Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-11-07 at 14:32:49 PDT   Listings
peetah,

no. it is s.g. 127a, perf. 13 x 12 1/2,

If you read the notes in the intro,

3. Perforation & rouletting,

abridged. The Instanta gauge is used to measure perfs., perforations are quoted in the catalogue to the nearest 1/2.

David B.
Posted by peetah   ( 469 ) on Apr-11-07 at 14:21:31 PDT   Listings
Opinions please: Especially Malaysia (Selangor) collectors I have Scott 112 (A17) S Gibbons 127
seen here

with Scott watermark 314 (Multiple Crown CA)
Both Sc and SG list perforations 12½ and 13 X 12½. Additionally, Scott lists 13½ and 12½. My stamp is perfed 13&#189 x 13. I have had a second opinion to verify my reading. Do I have anything of consequence?
Posted by cfrphoto   ( 1058 ) on Apr-11-07 at 13:51:59 PDT   Listings
abt1950,

A couple of years ago, I switched to using Clarity watermark fluid for most stamps because of its superior performance and convenience. Ronsonol is reserved for mass screening of cheaper stamps and removing tape adhesive from various surfaces or self-stick adhesive from the US 1552 10 cent self-adhesive Christmas stamp.

Here is a link to the USSS article

Hope this helps.
Posted by norvic   ( 905 ) on Apr-11-07 at 13:23:02 PDT   Listings
flip138
Morelybright will probably not give good results on those SAfrica stamps - I think you refer to the definitives with RSA watermark in various positions? Likewise also the modern Crown Agents, largely because the paper is thicker.
By comparison, getting the watermark on KG5, KG6 stamps, even on covers/cards, is usually quite easy, providing you use the piece of solid plastic between the layers of the cover, else you will see only the back-flap doubling of paper thickness!
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Apr-11-07 at 13:14:41 PDT   Listings
Anne
Now that I have stopped using the Morley/Bright I have been using perfluorohexane (C6 F14) otherwise known as Flourinert by 3M. If you know any computer people ask them for a small bottle.It is used as a CPU coolant fluid.This liquid has NO fumes,is INERT as hell,and you could even drink it by mistake with no known effects.It does not work as well as lighter fluid but it won't give a headache,stain the stamp,or melt any fugitive inks.
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Apr-11-07 at 13:02:04 PDT   Listings
Anne

That Morley Bright detector is the best thing I ever used. Once you get the hang of it you can really see the watermarks. Some single line USPS can be tough because they are not very deep into the paper but trial and error brings them out.British area watermarks show very nicely. Once the little ink sack finally dries out (probaly caused by a very slow osmosis of the lightest fractions in the ink oil through the plastic) no one can remember where to get replacements, having thrown away the original box.
Posted by abt1950   ( 224 ) on Apr-11-07 at 12:41:06 PDT   Listings
So the Morely-Bright is actually worth expense? I have problems with the smell of watermark and especially lighter fluid.


Anne (caffinated but still mispelling words)
Posted by stamphick!   ( 336 ) on Apr-11-07 at 12:38:42 PDT   Listings
antonius-ra...I agree with everything you wrote except I wasn't aware that he had agreed to take on the position.

paperhistory...If you have indeed agreed to be the APS rep will you send me your snail mail address so I can send you a little packet. eusc at dospalos dot org.
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Apr-11-07 at 12:13:46 PDT   Listings
Phil(flip138)
The Morley Bright works by rubbing a little sack(envelope) full of ink like stuff on the stamp
I love mine
I can not answer about the modern stamps you mentioned But I have had good results with my "roll-a-tector"
checking On cover/card stamps, with the exception of the SL watermark washington franklins.
Posted by flip138   ( 375 ) on Apr-11-07 at 12:07:43 PDT   Listings
greenwave4u

Belated thanks for your reply about the Morley-Bright watermark detector. I'm curious now: how does it work - pressure, a bright light and filters, or some other method? Have you tried it on "difficult" watermarks, e.g. South Africa 1960s multiple RSA in triangles or 1970s onwards Crown Agents?

Regards

Phil
Posted by norvic   ( 905 ) on Apr-11-07 at 11:33:31 PDT   Listings
Searching past 200
Thanks all. We just have to hope for steady progress rather than the scorching rate on the Q&A board, on which the earliest message is earlier today. :-(

I'd like to be able to edit my own posts as well, to correct (a) errors and (b) misunderstandings, on the actual erroneous posting rather than in a later addendum.

(Delphi scores again on that as anybody can edit their own message.)
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-11-07 at 11:31:10 PDT   Listings
Mitchell

Only one so far, the one with the great pictures of the pumice floating.
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 622 ) on Apr-11-07 at 11:25:36 PDT   Listings
Io I was wondering if you recieved the last two emails I sent you? Not sure if I have the correct email address?
Posted by billsey   ( 844 ) on Apr-11-07 at 09:53:42 PDT   Listings
Anne, you really have been missing out on the caffeine this morning. Espresso drinks have less caffeine in them than regular coffee. They just taste stronger...

The 200 post limit would be one of the things I'd change about this board is it were feasible. Richard's board has a much larger limit, and there's no technical reason why there should be any limit (though searching does get more complex when the board is split into multiple pages).
Posted by antonius-ra   ( 622 ) on Apr-11-07 at 08:46:45 PDT   Listings
Stamphick David, I was under the impression that the APS rep position was decided. Matt was nominated several times and had accepted. Several others also voiced their approval to his taking the position. There were no detractors or anyone elses name being put forth for the post. I considered it a done deal even though an official vote was not called. Personally, I cannot think of a better person for the job.
If anyone disagrees then they should voice their concerns and that might, then, warrant a vote.
Mitchell
Posted by abt1950   ( 224 ) on Apr-11-07 at 08:42:55 PDT   Listings
Make it espresso. A double.
Posted by philaclectic   ( 1017 ) on Apr-11-07 at 08:27:27 PDT   Listings
Ephemeral (only one "r"). Lots more coffee......
Posted by abt1950   ( 224 ) on Apr-11-07 at 07:35:54 PDT   Listings
Ephermeral. More coffee please.
Posted by abt1950   ( 224 ) on Apr-11-07 at 07:33:05 PDT   Listings
Ian: The board is ephermal, wich is both a blessing and a curse. Lots of good information gets lost as new posts push it off. But on the other hand, flames eventually scroll off as well.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-11-07 at 07:24:21 PDT   Listings
Ian

Under normal circumstances you cannot search back beyond the end of the 200th message unless someone has copied and pasted the pages to a file or they have been cached.
During particularly heated discussions this board has turned over in a matter of hours rather than days.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1658 ) on Apr-11-07 at 07:15:23 PDT   Listings
I need help putting some sort of value on this FDC (Canadian FDC.)
Each individual stamp present has a combined Unitrade FDC CV of over C$100.00.
BUTThree stamps have been removed, most likely the 13 cent, 50 cent and one dollar.
ANDObviously the stamps that remain are all on one cover.

What is a reasonable estimate?

Posted by horadam1   ( 436 ) on Apr-11-07 at 07:02:40 PDT   Listings
This is not business, just helpful if someone collects Sydney Railway material and might be interested in a Railway token from the 1800's. There is one on sale from a good coin dealer at the present on ebay. I won an Ethiopian Railway medal, a nice addition to my coin collection, from the same dealer.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Apr-11-07 at 06:57:56 PDT   Listings
IO Jim That is the point, to make a political satement via the illegals. Either that or exploit topical stamp collectors.

PS: Thanks for the editing correction. Good to have a professor around.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-11-07 at 06:45:01 PDT   Listings
Bill C

I don't like the idea of putting living people on stamps, it opens the doors for exploitation, such as is done by the producers of illegals.
BTW commemorating.
Posted by norvic   ( 905 ) on Apr-11-07 at 06:36:57 PDT   Listings
Jim

Thanks, I know how to search on web browsers (same as I know several ways to increase the text size depending on machine*). If the message at the bottom of this page now is April 8, how do you search back any further, say after a vacation or even just a long weekend?


* Firefox - Ctrl+ or Ctrl-

Mac - Apple+ Apple -

IE7 (who cares?)

IE6 - Menu: View/Text-size/(choose size)

On this keyboard, slide the zoom control at left!
Posted by abt1950   ( 224 ) on Apr-11-07 at 06:28:43 PDT   Listings
Morning/afternoon/evening from a sunny and loud NJ. It's the spring lawn service cleanup season. Ah, the sound of leaf blowers and barking dogs at 8 AM.

I suppose it's time for one of my standard requests for peace and harmony on the board. Hard to do pre-coffee.

As for APS--like all organizations, they are flawed. But the stamp collecting world is a better place because they exist.

Anne, APS 191673. Cofee-bound.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Apr-11-07 at 06:23:35 PDT   Listings
IO Jim What do you think of the illegals I posted above the yellow box?
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-11-07 at 06:18:12 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

From a pommy.
Posted by soggy333   ( 55 ) on Apr-11-07 at 05:57:12 PDT   Listings
The APS sales division can survive ebay.Owners prices will adjust if a book comes back with nothing sold. Postage costs are the same whether buying from sales books or ebay.I like looking at a stamp rather than a scan, in general. Vote for whichever candidates want to continue and finish the match factory without griping about the cost and worrying about tommorrow. I want a nice building to visit so I can sit down and spend a day looking at 1,000 circuit books all at one sitting.Stamp collectors deserve a palace, not a laptop in an outhouse.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Apr-11-07 at 05:40:06 PDT   Listings
DAVID B. -----Me bash the POMMY'S -----Here is a story i think i can tell ,

A few years ago {2004} I got a call at 2:00 AM from the Maryland State Police ,that my vehicle was stopped on the highway for speeding{1,000 miles from Chicago} and was the vehicle stolen ?.I asked who got the car and was told four guys with British accents they had no I.D.s and not answering any questions . I asked the dispatcher did the guys have short hair and all well built ,the request for answer was sent to the patrolmen at the car ,the answer came back ,yes.

I said the vehicle is on loan to the British Government and if a ticket needs to be issued ,issue to me because the young fellows need to keep a clean record ,so the dispatcher understood , he said to the officers to let the car go and it was government business.

Posted by greenwave4u   ( 74 ) on Apr-11-07 at 05:19:27 PDT   Listings
Paul Personally I always drink California or Aussie wine whilst linking hinges:-) Which one turns the paper more blue:-)

On the serious side I would always trust a UK expertised GB or Commonwealth stamp more than any other just because they have more experience in those areas and access to other examples. Just my opinion.
cheers
Peter
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1286 ) on Apr-11-07 at 05:12:00 PDT   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all


norvic et al
It is very easy to search this page. I search to find my last post and begin reading the board generally once or twice every day.

To search for a post on this page you hold down the “Crtl” (control) key and press the “F” key. A box will pop up. You input the text you wish to search in the blank field and click the “Find next” button.

Jim L.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Apr-11-07 at 04:48:13 PDT   Listings
DAVID B. Me bash the APS ,never .They are all friends of mine Janet,Bob and Ken .You can not see the difference in laughing about a real life situation and hurting/bashing someone .

Most if not all the experts in philately all started out licking hinges for many years and you and me are included ,so i can't see were that is bashing anybody ...lighten up

Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-11-07 at 04:17:54 PDT   Listings
Paul,

the blued paper variations are extremely difficult to tell as virtually all examples that are claimed to be blued paper are not.

p.s. What do you mean by " hinge licker ", are you trying to do some pommy bashing as well as your usual tirade of APS bashing, it does a lot to create harmony here with many pommy's and many APS supporters,

David B.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Apr-11-07 at 04:10:35 PDT   Listings
forget that bit about work today---Its SNOWING in Chicago ,and its pileing up wet and heavey
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Apr-11-07 at 04:05:17 PDT   Listings
CLAGHORN-----I,ll try that method at work today .
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Apr-11-07 at 04:02:02 PDT   Listings
DAVID B. ----From your last posting ,it sounds like a chemist thing or color analysis thing not something you would want a hinge-licker in England giving a opinion on .
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Apr-11-07 at 03:57:07 PDT   Listings
Roger Malolo and Paul Also you can not forget the USA sheet American Photography Paul The image at lower right shows a new method for Softening Asphalt.
Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Apr-11-07 at 03:52:28 PDT   Listings
APS----BASHING

Happy to report that there has never been any bashing of the APS on this web site.

Afew points have been discussed and presented in a joking fashion here and has made a few laughs but out right BASHING is a no-no .

Who can't laugh at a organization that the members constantly cry about the increase in dues at every town hall meeting ,its gotten to the point of a running joke between me and Ken Martin at the meetings .

There is also a group in leadership who insist on spenting money on brick and mortar buildings while the rest of the world has gone on line and built a presence on the internet ,something to laugh about .

They as a organization are a john-come-late to the huge success of E-BAY and then try to push their way into some kind of supervisor roll ,again something to laugh about .

E-BAY came along and kill their sales division and when they try to adjust again abunch of mistakes where made and they became irrevelant ,something to laugh about .

Then they tried the on line I.D. service for about six bucks per scan ,but people can come on this site and got it for free ,from me and others here ,again something to laugh about.

WE DON'T BASH THE A.P.S. we are justing laughing and enjoying the show ,but a few are crying that we are bashing them .....let it be....

Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-11-07 at 03:50:54 PDT   Listings
Paul, it has nothing to do with the paper, it is the bluing of the paper. As this particular stamp has a bluish tinge then it is extremely difficult to differentiate between what is the accepted blued paper variety and an appearance of bluing of the paper,

David b.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Apr-11-07 at 03:40:41 PDT   Listings
IO JIm Who says that the USA does not have "illegals". What aboout the stamp commerating the hazing of women at the Citadel college? and what about the US stamp commerating Fidel Castro and Elian's choice to return to his family in Cuba. RCLWA needs to remember the famous withdrawn USA stamp commemerating the the assets of Britney Spears which caused such an uproar. Yes, the USA has it's share of illegals.
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Posted by stamps12345   ( 223 ) on Apr-11-07 at 03:27:16 PDT   Listings
THATS RIDICULOUS

For anybody to say that paper can be judged better in one country than another .Scientific methods are used worldwide and to say someone in England or any place is better qualfity is B.S..The testing and study of paper is not the exclusive province of any one philatelic organization.

All philatelic organizations who issue certificates have made mistakes ,but 99.9% of the time they get it right and for most of us that is good enought.There is and always will be a few researchers who will question the opinions given .

This brings up the subject that maybe there are philatlic organizations that don't want to share or post their research methods and findings so they can claim exculsive rights to being the only ones who can do it right .......paul

Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-11-07 at 02:28:31 PDT   Listings
norvic, while I am on a roll,

Ken mentioned to me who the two expertisers were on the particular item which I stated should not be certified in the US and as I know of them very well and have met and spoken to them since the original discussion I can categorically state that neither of them has any expertise on that particular stamp which is extremely difficult to verify as it is a blued paper variation which needs a certified example to compare with which is not available in the US.

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-11-07 at 02:21:11 PDT   Listings
norvic,

one of the humorous things about the subject of internationality of acceptance of certificates is that Ken has often made disparaging remarks about foreign certificates of US stamps which I think in every case he has cited was correct and that the certificates were wrong.

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-11-07 at 02:04:07 PDT   Listings
norvic,

it would not be sensible for me to go into the lions den, Ken to put it mildly " hates my guts ". He often accuses me of being an APS hater when actually I am pro APS as I think it does a lot of good and believe that all collectors should avail themselves of club membership and attendance. As I once had the temerity to suggest that an APS certificate for a British Commonwealth stamp is not acceptable outside the US and suggested that a particular stamp should be submitted to a British group as there was no one capable in the US to certify it, which there isn't he accused me of stating that I included all APS certificates which I didn't.

The main argument between Ken and myself is not " illegals " or " pirated stamps " as I would prefer to call them but computer reproductions where I have held a view that these were bad for philately since they first came on the market and have been involved in the frontline to stop them. Ken on the other hand has publicly stated many times that the ones against them are only doing it as it stops them selling the genuine article, if that makes any sense to you as it doesn't to me.

David B.
Posted by norvic   ( 905 ) on Apr-11-07 at 01:24:03 PDT   Listings
malolo ( 837 ) on

Roger,
Thanks for your Apr-10-07 at 11:04:11 PDT
It soon became obvious that illegals had been discussed (ad nauseum?) on VSC before. But healthy discussion is always useful and more information did come out in this I believe - not least my personal experience with one of the 'players'.

1. Searching on Delphi forums is quite easy and you do not need to know the title of the thread; using Advanced Search allows you to search for words/phrases within messages. (How do you search for messages on THIS page?)

Search ability depends on Delphi subscription levels; I can go back 6 months some can go back to the beginning of time. Note this is NOT down to VSC, Delphi is the carrier and sets the rules, VSC uses the facility which is why you also get adverts if you don't pay to subscribe.

2. Premature ending occurs very rarely, it just happens to have taken place 2 or 3 times in the last week. As others here have acknowledged, one message was a very repetitive APS-bashing. Nothing wrong with challenging any organisation per se, and if there was no response you are right, it would die naturally. But even when it gets too personal or too repetitive the recipients still feel they have to respond. There are two solutions: end the discussion or - as on any moderated board - suspend the errant contibutor.

Incidentally I think THIS board would be much easier to read if Jim's large-type bold blue links scattered across the screen after his signature were smaller like the rest of the page, but that is a personal preference!
Posted by norvic   ( 905 ) on Apr-11-07 at 01:23:17 PDT   Listings
David
Your - Apr-10-07 at 15:23:30 PDT on deleted VSC messages.

Why don't you ask on the VSC. Many's the time I have posted a message to the board when I meant to send it privately to the individual member, so I have deleted it. If a message is deleted by staff the poster is told privately. If you are not the member who posted the message you will not know unless you ask, and neither will I unless I did it.

I was out from 1730 GMT so I doubt it was me.
Posted by laumpc   ( 2881 ) on Apr-10-07 at 21:54:05 PDT   Listings
Speaking of computer crashes, this site saved my day - http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/

My notebook crashed over the weekend. Hard drive was going and notebook cannot boot. I had most of it backup but it was still nice to be able to create a boot cd using instructions from the site. Used the repair option which took me to the "C" prompt. Ran a chkdsk and magically it fixed the directory structure enough for me to boot up the computer. Mirror everthing off to an external. Hard drive went for good the next day. But one day extra was enough.
Posted by laumpc   ( 2881 ) on Apr-10-07 at 21:49:03 PDT   Listings
Not sure if there have been any discussion of the new postal rates - http://pe.usps.com/RateCase2007/Notice123_PDF/Notice123.pdf, things are going up fast.

Also, USPS implementing a dimensional weight calculation, http://pe.usps.com/RateCase2007/QSG_HTML/Q120.htm

Will be intersting to see how that works out.
Posted by abt1950   ( 224 ) on Apr-10-07 at 19:16:45 PDT   Listings
Good night to all and to all sweet dreams of APS representatives, readable fonts, and a healthy computer for Bob in Wa. Anne
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-10-07 at 16:45:52 PDT   Listings
David get in touch with Matt, unless members feel that a vote is warranted.
Perhaps Mitchell can excercise presidential prerogative!
Posted by stamphick!   ( 336 ) on Apr-10-07 at 16:40:19 PDT   Listings
That reminds me. Are we going forward toward getting an APS rep so the the mailing address and other info can be changed?
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-10-07 at 16:34:39 PDT   Listings
Since I'm not a member of APS except in roundabout ways being a member of eUSC (yes, eUSC is a chapter member of APS, even if ignored by both candidates running for president of APS), so will refrain from putting any comment on the VSC site as to the worthiness of either candidate.
However, even if you disagree with him (which I do all the time), Ken knows his stuff when it comes to stamps.
I decided to leave out last line.
Posted by jaywild   ( 930 ) on Apr-10-07 at 16:24:19 PDT   Listings
kchrist… Wow, thanks for the compliment. I’m glad my links have been useful. I suppose they make up for the myriad times when the text of my posts has nothing to do with stamps…

J

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-10-07 at 15:23:30 PDT   Listings
norvic,

on the subject of APS elections,

I just noticed the latest comment

Societies, Clubs, Organization

APS Election [1 new of 14] 2:39pm

has been deleted, it would be interesting to know if it was deleted by the contributor or " big brother " who did not like the comment.

David B.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 336 ) on Apr-10-07 at 15:20:19 PDT   Listings
malolo...I'd consider that a browser defect. I use firefox and I can change font size by orders of magnitude and it still fits whatever screen size I am using, no horizontal scrolling required. The font I see is whatever font s used on the various sites I visit.
Posted by malolo   ( 837 ) on Apr-10-07 at 15:14:53 PDT   Listings
stamphick -
I guess my browser defaults are for Helvetica 12 point, so nearly all sites show as that. The problems I have are with sites that apparently specify a page width which requires I scroll right and left and up and down. They get wearysome and I often move on. Whenever it's suggested I change to a different screen resolution I find in the long run it's worse and all the type is smaller in proportion to the page size reduction. It's not like I can change my screen size, I'm required to fit more onto my screen, which of course makes everything smaller. If I increase the size of type, I then have to scroll. Waht is a poor guy to do?

Roger
Posted by rclwa   ( 962 ) on Apr-10-07 at 15:10:20 PDT   Listings
I'm posting from the library again! Computer has crashed (starts then instantly freezes) so I don't know when I'll be abke to check the board. Of course at the library I have no access to my bookmarks. I guess there's something to be said for tracking all your lots through eBay's ''watch'' functions!

Hope I'm back on track sooner rather than later, but hard to say.

Bob in WA
Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-10-07 at 14:28:04 PDT   Listings
norvic,

re. VSC,

I agree, there was a lot of repetitive comments but that is normal on VSC whenever the subject of " illegals " or " computer repro's " are mentioned over there as there is a group who opposes them and a particular person who actually promotes them and states they are good for the hobby and even made the outrageous comment that " every serious collector should have the illegals in his collection ".

There are many threads that go off subject but they usually die out or get back on track. The amazing thing that the thread in question was deleted just after a suggestion about getting back on track but that may not have suited some of the regulars who see VSC as a promotional way of advertising their candidature for office and saw continuing discussion may have made certain candidates lose votes with the demeanor of the comments,

Just my point of view but the VSC should be devoid of personal advertising of a candidates attributes and also continually running down other candidates,

David B.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 336 ) on Apr-10-07 at 14:25:26 PDT   Listings
Roger...I'm only talking about the font problem, not all the other problems. There is no default font across all internet sites. Perhaps you have very acute eyesight but I don't and am constantly adjusting font size, it only takes a split second, less time that it would take to whine about it.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-10-07 at 14:25:12 PDT   Listings
Roger

According to eBay, the fourth most popular search criteria in eBay stamps is "stamps".
Fortunately few people live in a place called volc*.
My problem is with the two idiots who put the entire Wikipedia article devoted to Iceland and the Faroe islands in all their auctions.
Posted by malolo   ( 837 ) on Apr-10-07 at 14:07:13 PDT   Listings
stamphick -
I go to so many site a day and have never found a reason to change font size. Maybe that's determined by my browser preferences, but to make a change for every site is not what the internet is all about. It's almost the same as saying, well most states require one to drive on the right side of the road, but there are a few where one drives on the left. Some states even allow one to choose either side between the hours of 9pm and 4 am.

That doesn't work, and for companies on the internet to require the public to manipulate their computer each time they visit the company's site seems IMHO to be the kiss of death.

I've only bought 14 items on eBay since Jan 1. That is a significant slow down. Why? Becasue all my searches are getting cluttered by sellers who accept Swiss francs, or will send the item to Switzerland. Gee wizz! Can't eBay fix the most basic problem that it has, the one where seller promotional material is searched within the item description search. I'll reiterate again, my searches are cluttered with items totally unrelated to my search criteria (usually keywords such as Switzerland, or Lausanne, or Schweiz, etc) within the Stamps category. I get every item listed by sellers domiciled in Switzerland who put their name and address in their listings, or those who list their shipping charges to many different countries, including Switzerland. I consider all this keyword spamming, and eBay doesn't appear to be interested in resolving the problem. They can create search criteria such "item within 50 miles, etc but that is based on one's eBay personal information and has nothing to do with its search engine. I'm not going to drive 50 miles to get my stamp and the closest any seller lives to me is 3000 miles (give or take a few).

End of rant. )'>)

Roger
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 74 ) on Apr-10-07 at 13:51:16 PDT   Listings
Whoops sorry about the bold
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 74 ) on Apr-10-07 at 13:50:26 PDT   Listings
Flip/dcderoo I can recommend the Morley Bright for watermarks on covers, I picked mine up for £9 a couple of years ago on Ebay.
Posted by stamphick!   ( 336 ) on Apr-10-07 at 13:36:33 PDT   Listings
malolo..What's the problem with each reader adjusting things to his own preferences? Fonts vary widely across different sites, most media sites can't be read with a magnifying glass and Drudge is even smaller. Different folks have different monitor sizes and screen resolutions. It only takes a second to adapt to each site.

If everyone just posts in the default font for each site the reader should have no problem if he just adjusts things to his own preferences. Seems much ado over nothing to me.
Posted by flip138   ( 375 ) on Apr-10-07 at 13:33:43 PDT   Listings
dcderoo

There is a rather expensive device called the "Morley-Bright Watermark Detector" which is claimed to allow you to see the watermarks of stamps on cover. Never having used one, I don't know how effective it actually is.

Phil
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 74 ) on Apr-10-07 at 13:16:21 PDT   Listings
Bad news the new header has come back at the top of the page:-(
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 74 ) on Apr-10-07 at 13:08:05 PDT   Listings
Another scam 320102049682 amazing this seller survives and hides the real description in the small print
Posted by due2cents   ( 26 ) on Apr-10-07 at 12:51:01 PDT   Listings
anyone else notice the Header Change up top. Guess they could Not fix the update so reverted to the Olde style.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 74 ) on Apr-10-07 at 12:44:27 PDT   Listings
NOIP On the US Stamp category page I notice there is a link to "Join our stamp chat room" under heading Category Community Links. If this is supposed to be a link to this site it doesn't work, if not where is it supposed to go???
Peter
Posted by kchrist499   ( 1103 ) on Apr-10-07 at 12:18:05 PDT   Listings

Jaywild

Many thanks for your links to hard to identify US stamps. I have saved them for future reference.

Yours is one of the few messages on this board with a genuine educational value to those of us in the US who collect US.

Ken C. (Not the other Ken... call me Chris).

Posted by malolo   ( 837 ) on Apr-10-07 at 12:06:46 PDT   Listings
http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID=2000347743&tstart=0&mod=1176176184659

This discusses printer workarounds. May not be necessary now pages appear to have reverted.
Here is maybe th erelevant comment: "Note:
The reason the new pages will not print without loading a special print page, it they are no longer simple html code. Most if it is painted on the screen with ajax. (javascript and xhmtl)"

Whatever that is!!!

So everyone, no need to change font size when posting, the page has been corrected. LOL, until neext time!
Posted by nomad55   ( 880 ) on Apr-10-07 at 12:03:41 PDT   Listings
Jim - so does a visit to the dentist
;)
Posted by jaywild   ( 930 ) on Apr-10-07 at 11:28:56 PDT   Listings
nomad55… Yeah, I know, but the name conjures up a really nasty picture…

J

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by jaywild   ( 930 ) on Apr-10-07 at 11:26:47 PDT   Listings
Roger… Well said! I agree 100%. Since eBay is a de facto monopoly, they tend to act in a cavalier way when it comes to making changes. If they don’t ask us before making these frequently idiotic moves, the only way they will realize their mistakes is if we complain—loudly and often—afterward.

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by malolo   ( 837 ) on Apr-10-07 at 11:12:03 PDT   Listings
BTW -
I find it interesting that there are those who have suggested all sorts of "fixes to the eBay fonts problem, many implying it has to be worked around. I personaly believe that the rukus raised on the different Chats forced eBay to correct its progamming error. I would hate to think that protest of stupid things is dead! If we all rolled over and adjusted every website according ot the individual website code, the internet would cease to function. eBay as a company must not go off majestically reinventing internet standards. If it has that much of an ego, it will eventually fail. I recommend everyone here check out other chat boards once in a while as discussion topics sometimes have very useful generic information.

Roger
Posted by malolo   ( 837 ) on Apr-10-07 at 11:04:11 PDT   Listings
Aloha norvic -

I believe there is a place for both a chat similar to this board and discussion threads. Everything I’ve seen of discussion threads leads me to believe they are just as ephemeral as posts on this chat. Once the threads wind down or result in only a few responses they seem to disappear down the list and are impossible to find. The listings on left side of Virtual Stamp message board topics shows 7882 messages in Administrative Chatter, 10088 in Philately General, 9980 in Postal Services, etc. Don’t you think that after a month or so the thread is dead?. How does one ever search for topic titles in 10,000 threads, especially when the title wasn't thought out well?

One of the most difficult aspects of Virtual is navigating the site. During the recent “illegal discussion” I received emails when someone responded to one of my posts. I really like this feature and when clicking on the email link I was always taken directly to the correct page. A couple of times I went into the site and since I didn’t remember the exact title of the thread, or which category the thread was playing, I couldn't find the thread!

The success of a threaded discussion board is the accuracy and appropriateness of the thread title, much the same as auction titles on eBay. If the poster misstates the topic , or gist, of the thread, there is no reason for me to ever look at the messages.

The most unsatisfactory aspect of VSC message boards is the abrupt ending of threads. I don’t know why they ever need to have an administrator end a discussion. I consider it very arbitrary and opinionated to not let a thread die naturally. Obviously thousands of threads die naturally, so why the need to end any single one prematurely?

It would be a great idea for APS to have both threads and a chat. I think “management” would discover a whole new group of collectors with valid commentary.

I’m looking forward to new member features on the APS website. I usually look for exhibition information, almost never for stamps. I find that ironic, but I ‘ve been into the Stampstore a few times this week and find the quality of “classic” Swiss to be poor with asking prices in the 25 - 75% catalogue value range which is absurd. If these items were offered on eBay they would never find a buyer, nor will anyone buy them from the Stampstore.

Re eBay Discussions:
One can open any stamp discussion on the eBay Collectables Discussion Board. Stamps once had its own board but the plug was pulled by eBay. You can find a couple of threads offering help to collectors, but they have on average 1 post per month.

The most important aspect of this board’s popularity is the free flowing exchange of information and expertise in so many areas. We also include non-philatelic posts, personality counts! I find the interchanges on VSC interesting, but when the discussion gets lively, someone who has never posted to the thread comes on and states, “ this thread seems to have gone off topic, so I’m ending it”. All I can say is, “no thanks!”

Roger
Posted by jaywild   ( 930 ) on Apr-10-07 at 10:55:55 PDT   Listings
NOIP… Interesting new definition of the word unused…

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by nomad55   ( 880 ) on Apr-10-07 at 10:40:25 PDT   Listings
Jim....my Dad had one of those. You use your entire body to provide pressure/stabilization when drilling, thats what the 'saddle' at the right of the picture is for. The bid is inserted into the chuck at the left.
With your left hand, hold the handle that's pointing outwards, and turn the geared wheel with the other handle that's shown in an expanded view.

Quite an effective drill before power tools were invented.

--NIOP
Posted by peterc8888   ( 310 ) on Apr-10-07 at 10:37:51 PDT   Listings
Jim(jaywild)

Emailed you about some covers.


PC
Posted by jaywild   ( 930 ) on Apr-10-07 at 10:31:29 PDT   Listings
NOIP… How’s this for a shudder-inducing lot title ?

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by deh3   ( 1531 ) on Apr-10-07 at 08:56:39 PDT   Listings
dcderoo The moment you mentioned Sandy Point (Newfoundland), the potential value of the cover dropped to almost nil. Sandy Point/St Georges was the home of the Reverend Butler, Newfoundland's most well-known stamp dealer (I don't have to look at the cover).

There are thousands and thousands of covers to and from him, and even for people who collect stamp dealer mail, these covers are a drug on the market. There are numerous articles about Butler (check the BNAPS archives for articles by Ron McGuire). The fact that Sandy Point no longer exists is irrelevant.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-10-07 at 08:52:20 PDT   Listings
norvic

I'm sure you could get away with a picture of your house on a stamp, after all, people put volcanoes on stamps.
However, if you produced it in such a manner that the USPS got no money, you would probably have the USPS Postal Inspection Service knocking on your door the next day.
Posted by norvic   ( 905 ) on Apr-10-07 at 08:31:25 PDT   Listings
iomoon
Thanks - yes, I suppose you are right, but it was the closest I could get at short notice.

If the inscription had been 'United States of America' would that have been any different? If I produced a label with USA 41c and a picture of my house would that be an illegal or a fantasy? (Assuming I marketed it in such a way that the USPS condemned it to the UPU, of course {G} )
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-10-07 at 08:24:24 PDT   Listings
Bill D

The book I was thinking about was Geologic Wonders of West Texas by Donald P. McGookey which you can get at your local library.
Although its title is west Texas, it includes the Llano uplift and the Llano Estacardo.

Norvic

There used to be a threaded stamp chat board, but it became too embarrassing to eBay who promptly killed it.
Your stamp constitutes a fantasy, rather than an illegal.
Posted by norvic   ( 905 ) on Apr-10-07 at 07:59:31 PDT   Listings

mitchdevan - you may find this page of use as well. Good luck
Posted by wrd3   ( 99 ) on Apr-10-07 at 07:56:24 PDT   Listings
mitchdevan welcome to the stamp chat board. If you scroll down several posts below yours you will find the Yellow Boxes with links to help people in situations such as yours. If you post links to images of stamps or pages in the album, the participants of this board can help answer your questions and provide suggestions as to how to proceed. What album is it? If worldwide, if you can describe the contents of the first page of several major countries (US, Great Britain, Canada, France, Germany) that will give a good idea of what you may have.

Bill D.
Posted by norvic   ( 905 ) on Apr-10-07 at 07:53:46 PDT   Listings

iomoon wrote on Apr-09-07:

"Why don't you find "illegals" of US and UK stamps?"


Like this one:
Posted by norvic   ( 905 ) on Apr-10-07 at 07:49:44 PDT   Listings
David,
Commenting on the VSC illegals thread, which as Lloyd pointed out is still there for anyone to read, you wrote:

"Possibly the person who started the thread may start another one asking why it was terminated,"

On the contrary, so hijacked was the discussion, and so re-re-iterative in places, that I seriously considered ending it at least 2 days earlier than it WAS ended. Whilst I accept that most threads wander slightly; this wandered so far away, and got so biting, that discussion of the main point, ie "whether or not sale of the Star Wars stamps by USPS was fighting back against illegals", was lost.

I reckon after about 200 messages it had run its course!
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1658 ) on Apr-10-07 at 07:45:59 PDT   Listings
Thanks to answers to my questions in the past, this cover was easy to figure out.
The bottom word in the address is "City" which means this cover most likely never saw the inside of an airplane.
Posted by norvic   ( 905 ) on Apr-10-07 at 07:43:46 PDT   Listings
Roger,
Sorry to come to the party late... you wrote:
"I do hope that sometime in the future APS will start its own chat board, not threaded discussion board, so members can exchange information and ideas similar to here. "

I would much rather the eBay chat was threaded, as it would be much easier to find and follow discussions. But each to his own. It would also be easier to skip the messages on this STAMPS forum which are not about STAMPS. One advantage of threaded boards (like Delphi but not restricted to VSC) is that there is a separate area for technical questions such as 'where do I find my cookies?' (ans= in the cookie jar) and 'why is the type size so small?' (ans= increase it using the menu option on your browser, or (if you have the right browser) Ctrl+).
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1658 ) on Apr-10-07 at 07:37:59 PDT   Listings
claghorn1p, I gave your suggestion a try and at best the results are inconclusive.
Since there is no significance other than accuracy, I'm just going to let it ride as "C6 or C9".
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1658 ) on Apr-10-07 at 07:29:41 PDT   Listings
Oh, and why is the Sandy Point hand stamp a "Postal Telegraphs" type? Only thing available?
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Apr-10-07 at 07:28:02 PDT   Listings
DC You can always hold a bright light up to the cover and look through the paper. If the watermark is strong, maybe you can see it.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1658 ) on Apr-10-07 at 07:27:52 PDT   Listings
This Newfoundland Air Cover required a bit of research, at least as to the location of the destination.
I don't have it all, but here's what I know so far:
1. Origin: St Johns, Newfoundland

2. Desination(?): [Cape] St Georges, Newfoundland
Without "Cape" in the name I was looking at the St Georges over toward Quebec. Took a bit of time to get that sttraightened out.

3. Transit(?)/Air Field(?): Western Arm, W.B.
Haven't pinpointed Western Arm on the map, but the handstamp on the back identifies it I think.
The "W.B." stands for White Bay, the district where all these places are located in western Newfoundland.

4. Sandy Point, St. George's
To me this is the most interesting part of the cover's history.
Sandy Point has ceased to exist as a place of human habitation! See here:

"Sandy Point, once the largest settlement on the West Coast of Newfoundland. It is also about the ecology and natural resources of the Bay St. George, the stories and folklore of the people of Sandy Point, the struggle to maintain a community on a sand spit subject to periodic flooding and the multicultural and multilingual nature of the population of Sandy Point and the region. It is also about its slow painful death which took a century to complete.

Sandy Point in Bay St. George lost its last two permanent
residents in 1973 -- just over two hundred years after it began as a community of white Europeans around 1780. The only evidence today that people once lived there are concrete foundations and a walkway; scattered pieces of iron, lumber and bricks and, three graveyards."

and

"Sandy Point is a former peninsula on the west coast of the island of Newfoundland which has been recently transformed into an island as a result of sea level rise and ocean storm-induced coastal erosion. Its former connecting isthmus was known to locals as "The Gap".

The point was also home to a now-abandoned community of the same name.

Sandy Point extends 2 km into St. George's Bay on the bay's southern shore and is located approximately 7 km west of the head of the bay at Stephenville Crossing, 12 km south of the town of Stephenville and 2 km north of the community of St. George's."

Is the demise of Sandy Point as a community important in valuing this cover?

Posted by mitchdevan   ( 254 ) on Apr-10-07 at 07:07:44 PDT   Listings
Hello, my grandmother recently passed away and I found an old stamp collection of hers of which I know nothing about. Do you know of any online appraisers or services that would allow me to either fax or email the pages from the stamp book to them in order to give me general estimates as to each stamps value. Obviously I know this is something I will have to pay for. Any thoughts or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much.

Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-10-07 at 06:21:09 PDT   Listings
Good day all.

Bill D

It's a good book with only a few mistakes.
We use a better one for the Trans-Pecos, but I can't think of the author right now.
Posted by dcderoo   ( 1658 ) on Apr-10-07 at 06:16:39 PDT   Listings
I have two covers with a Newfoundland Sc# C6 or C9 (SG# 192 or 195).
One cover also has a Newfoundland Sc# C7 or C10 (SG# 193 or 196).
The difference between the two possibilities is that one is watermarked, the other not.

Is there any reasonable way to positively identify the presence/absence of a watermark of a stamp on cover?

(Bet you could see that question coming.)
In this particular case there is no significant catalogue value difference between the two varieties.
For me this is more of a learning experience.

Posted by stjohnstamps   ( 844 ) on Apr-10-07 at 05:04:04 PDT   Listings
wrd3 I have Roadside Geology of NY - extremely informative, but a challenge to comprehend for a 58 y/o amateur. If your 11 y/o can digest it you have a real prodigy on your hands. Its also a useful book to take along on auto excursions (if you have a scientific bent).
Posted by jim_lawler   ( 1286 ) on Apr-10-07 at 03:33:38 PDT   Listings
Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all



Jim L.
Posted by claghorn1p   ( 410 ) on Apr-10-07 at 01:49:40 PDT   Listings
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Posted by jbthree   ( 857 ) on Apr-09-07 at 22:44:04 PDT   Listings
Thanks Jimbo
Posted by abt1950   ( 224 ) on Apr-09-07 at 22:24:45 PDT   Listings
Good night to all and to all sweet dreams of zeppelin covers, FDCs, and eBay changes that make sense. Anne
Posted by jimbo   ( 392 ) on Apr-09-07 at 21:02:35 PDT   Listings
jbthree,
You might look through these 1929 Zeppelin flight covers and see if any match your item. (BTW, the prices are higher than auction yields by maybe 100%.) It also would help if you could post a link to a scan and then someone could give you more information. There is a lot of Zeppelin information available.

You second cover sounds like an 'event cover.' In the early days of airmail (1929 was about the end of the 'early period') quite a few such items exist. Yours doesn't sound like the typical item which would be a 'first flight' commemorating the first airmail fight between two cities. There isn't too much interest in most of those items with only a few of them commanding prices greater than $10. Again, a link to a scan would help.

Don't expect an immediate answer. Someone will come around to help when they have something to work with.

jimbo
Posted by wrd3   ( 99 ) on Apr-09-07 at 20:47:43 PDT   Listings
iomoon do you know anything about the book Roadside Geology of Texas? I'm considering this for my 11 year old son to help feed his interest in geology.

Bill D.
Posted by jbthree   ( 857 ) on Apr-09-07 at 20:14:08 PDT   Listings
The second letter has a 5 cent airmail with , commemorating Lindbergh's first flight.
Posted by jbthree   ( 857 ) on Apr-09-07 at 20:11:11 PDT   Listings
where the best place to do research on old airmail stamps.
I found 2 old post cards with post marks 1929 and it has a big center postmark of zepplin around the world.
On the front it post mark New York with 1 10cent and 1 20 cent airmail stamp. On the back it has 3 5c airmail and 1 10c and 1 20 cents.
All on a 1 cent post card
Posted by jaywild   ( 930 ) on Apr-09-07 at 19:58:08 PDT   Listings
Rainer… I don’t know if you collect modern Tibet postal history…

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by lloydstamps   ( 558 ) on Apr-09-07 at 19:40:30 PDT   Listings
AFDCS To "Celebrate" Debut Of New Stamp At Americover 2007


illustration

The American First Day Cover Society and the U.S. Postal Service will celebrate the debut of the new Celebrate! stamp at Americover 2007, which will be held in Stamford, Conn., August 17-19.



The new stamp, replacing the "Happy Birthday" one, will be released on Friday of the show, which has been described as one big party.



"If there is any group that knows how to celebrate, it is the American First Day Cover Society," said Foster E. Miller III, programs and seminar chairman of Americover 2007, who is also the Society's liaison with the USPS. "The USPS knows this too; they were the ones who offered "Celebrate!" to me. I quickly accepted."



The new stamp, special postmarks, and unserviced cacheted envelopes will be available.



In addition, this year's Legends of Hollywood stamp, James Stewart, is tentatively set for an August 17th release in Burbank, Calif. If so, with the new nationwide release policy, the Stewart stamp should be offered for sale (and postmarking) at Americover 2007 in Stamford.



The following evening, the public will have an opportunity to see and purchase a wide range of cacheted FDCs celebrating the new Celebrate! and possibly James Stewart stamps.



Americover 2007, a three-day World Series of Philately show will be held at the Stamford Marriott Hotel & Spa, and will feature a large mostly-FDC bourse, cachetmakers bourse, top exhibits, a banquet, meetings, seminars, youth booth, pre-show area tour and post-show dinner event.



To obtain the special $99 Americover room rate, call the Marriott reservation line at 888-236-2427 or the hotel directly at 203-357-9555, and specify "Americover."



For more information on Americover 2007 and the AFDCS, contact the AFDCS at P.O. Box 16277, Tucson, Arizona 85732-6277, or A HREF="mailto:Americover2007@afdcs.org">Americover2007@afdcs.org, or visit www.afdcs.org.



(Hope I got this right; I'm still not comfortable with this board's HTML.)
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-09-07 at 18:29:51 PDT   Listings
Why doesn't the idiot paste Gibbon's (not Stanley) Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire to the board.
It's longer and more interesting (to some of us, anyway).
Posted by peterc8888   ( 310 ) on Apr-09-07 at 18:16:01 PDT   Listings
Jim(jaywild)

I believe the changes are designed by people who do not use eBay features extensively. If they have been using the features few hours daily for a long period of time, they will know what they have done are not practical and are wasting our time. Developers love those designers since it will mean job security for them since they are needed to clean up the mess created by those non-sense enhancements.


PC


PC
Posted by peterc8888   ( 310 ) on Apr-09-07 at 18:04:45 PDT   Listings
Roger(malolo)

I use the Advanced Search in everywhere. With the current change, you cannot even open new search window from a listing. When I'm in a listing, I want to do a search on the same items. My search result also sets to 200 listings and my watch list usually has 100 listings too.


PC
Posted by jaywild   ( 930 ) on Apr-09-07 at 16:23:22 PDT   Listings
I see now that in eBay’s “New Chatboard Look” every paragraph will default to the tiny font unless forced to display otherwise. So obviously someone is spending time d*cking with the way the font looks, so why don’t they spend even less time and return things to the way they were? Too much to ask I guess.

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by jaywild   ( 930 ) on Apr-09-07 at 16:19:02 PDT   Listings
Using the link Io provided I was curious about Zimbabwean stamps, and what they might reflect of the country’s recent miserable history. Expecting to find Robert Mugabe’s face plastered on every stamp I was surprised not to see him at all (although I didn’t search every page). But I did find evidence of a prodigious, ruinous inflation. In 2002 this was a high value stamp, and four years later people were paying this for the same service. Ouch!!

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-09-07 at 16:07:39 PDT   Listings
IO, at the moment it is 2 individuals (who shall be nameless) with one doing the correspondence and the otehr doing the hackwork). I don't think they make much money out of it and if it was worked out by hour it may only by a couple of dollars although the original idea sounded well with 1000's of stamps issued each year multiplied by SFR50. By coincidence I had a discussion a couple of years ago who knew all about the deal and he stated then that it would only last a few years before the UPU took in over and did it inhouse instead of farming the work out.

If philatelic organisations did the work instead of the UPU then it would reach philatelists much quicker.

David B.



David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-09-07 at 15:42:24 PDT   Listings
D2

You are right in that it seemed, and still does seem like a good idea. Though I had no idea that individuals were receiving an income for the appearance of stamps on the listing.

It does, however, take more than a pittance to replicate the pages on the internet and even to pay for the web space on a continuing basis.

It would seem, to avoid such payments, the individual countries could set up their own web sites with listings of stamps that have been legally issued.

But again, most of the richer countries have already done so, and yet again it is those countries with fragile economies that do no have the ability to do so, nor fight the criminals that are making money at their behest.

Often it is left to corporations such as Walt Disney to sue for copyright violations as to the images on the stamps rather than countries like Malagasy Republic suing for use of their name
Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-09-07 at 15:25:36 PDT   Listings
IO, the idea of the WADP is doomed to failure and sometime in the future it will be a freebie on the UPU website. The idea that a stamp issuing entity pays SFR.50 for the right to have a stamp on the list seemed a good idea at the time it was suggested to the UPU by two individuals who thought that would be a good idea for their retirement backfired when one of the two died. They mananged to talk UPU officials into the plan and it would have worked if it has been say SFR. 10 per stamp but the SFR. 50 meant that only the rich nations sent their cash & stamp issuing details to the individuals (not the UPU) for listing. The poorer countries sent for a year or two then defaulted in paying. That is why I said it is doomed to fail and I presume that some plans will be taken by concerned members of the UPU who are worried about the problem. Most of the UPU work involves the delivery of mail throughout the world and stamp issuing policy is not high on their level of importance.

These facts are not well known but as I was involved with some of the original discussions over lunch with one of the planners of the scheme (who has since passed away) I think I know more than most about it. Actually his demise may be a cause of his involvement as he was ill at the time yet went to conferences in Windhoek, Namibia & Tunis when he should have been in hospital, shortly after he arrived home he died.

(yes Sheryll, you have figured it out who it was),

David B.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-09-07 at 15:08:11 PDT   Listings
Peter

I think chopping off heads of foreign nationals is frowned upon by the international community.
Even if it does replicate the image on machin stamps!!
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 74 ) on Apr-09-07 at 14:53:11 PDT   Listings
Jim One presumes that making an illegal UK stamp would include the Monarch's head, which would then lead to being locked up in the Tower and subsequently beheaded:-)
Peter
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-09-07 at 14:44:07 PDT   Listings
Simple question.

Why don't you find "illegals" of US and UK stamps?
I don't mean cinderellas, locals, charity stamps etc.
Posted by abt1950   ( 224 ) on Apr-09-07 at 14:39:17 PDT   Listings
David: Thank you for making that last point. There's a big difference between wallpaper authorized by a country that makes some money off their sale and labels with country-names attached but issued by private individuals with no connection to or authorization from the country. That's fraudulent on both ends of the deal. That fact, and the unsavory ethical aspects of buying those kinds of "stamps," got lost in much of the discussion.

Anne
Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-09-07 at 14:27:50 PDT   Listings
paper,

One of the problems is the term "illegals " which has been used to describe these modern concoctions which does not convey what they are. A better term which may be more understood in the 21st. Century is " pirated stamps " which has an evil connotation but that is what they are " pirated ", similar to pirated DVD's or books or whatever, produced without any royalty or payment to the country that they purport to be from, if they are from a genuine country. Genuine stamps even those that are aimed for the mass uninformed market, which Ken delights in comparing to the " illegals " has some portion of the wholesale price paid to the issuing country and payment of royalty fees if copyright is involved. With the illegals all the wholesale price goes to the wholesaler.

David B.
Posted by greenwave4u   ( 74 ) on Apr-09-07 at 14:25:21 PDT   Listings
NOIP Another large COGH triangle collection here 270107969257; out of 86 triangles I have counted 10 fakes (and 10 maybe worth having). Shows the problems of mass listings with not enough attention to detail. Having said that this seller is good and will usually respond with corrections, I have sent them a message.
Posted by iomoon   ( 1049 ) on Apr-09-07 at 14:18:02 PDT   Listings
I think the main problem is that although WADP provide a listing of legal stamps, nobody provides a complete listing of illegal stamps.

Though even a listing of the legals can be helpful.
For example, are the stamps of the Republic of Srpska real?

As it turns out, yes they are, if your know where to look for them in Scott (Under Bosnia-Herzegovina (Serbian Administration)).
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1976 ) on Apr-09-07 at 14:07:47 PDT   Listings
d2: as to the "stamp police", I thought it was rather provacative. I also found it highly amusing. But that's just me.
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1976 ) on Apr-09-07 at 14:03:14 PDT   Listings
actually, I don't agree with that either. To be sure, the instigator of that thread seemed more interested in picking fights than anything else, but threads don't generally exist to please a single poster -- and I think there were some other comments in that thread that had merit. If nothing else, the thread did allow for some discussion of recent improvements and developments at the APS, which is in and of itself not a bad thing.

I do recall Ken saying such a thing during that long "poll" thread on illegals. But I suspect there is some context to that. My own take on the poll (which was tampered with, to a degree and in what direction is unknown) is that it shows that there is indeed strong interest in illegals and what to do with them, at least in the philatelic internet community...
Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-09-07 at 13:56:57 PDT   Listings
paper,

what was your opinion on Ken's comment on the other thread,

" Watch out for the Anarchist Stamp Police, Dave. You're not allowed to enjoy those illegals. ".

My opinion why he said it was to gloat and to deride anyone that has anything to say against " illegals "

I don't want to get involved with discussions about illegals as I also believe that a person can collect what he wants including illegals but when illegals are sold without being stated what they are by retailers at shows or in ads. then the buying public has a right to know that they are not postage stamps but just pretty printed labels.

David B.

David B.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-09-07 at 13:49:31 PDT   Listings
paper,

OK, I mentioned blown away on that one, but you will have to agree that it deserved to be blown away, terminated, discontinued, cancelled or whatever term you would deem relevant. The thread on the illegals was very interesting and many new facts were being stated.

You should have also noted that Ken stated he wasn't interested in the outcome of the voting,

David B.
Posted by paperhistory   ( 1976 ) on Apr-09-07 at 13:40:29 PDT   Listings
d2: not to pick a fight, but you most certainly did (emphasis added) (April 8, 23:21:20):

"p.s. another thread of the APS has just got blown away but that one deserved it, it was one member just mentioning his opinion of the APS and it should have got the bullet after a few postings."


on another note...Lloyd, I think the decision to terminate those two threads was rather heavy-handed. Since your forum is threaded, it's a very simple process for readers to skip threads that are not of interest to them. They were two of the most active threads I've seen on VSC since I became a regular reader two years ago or so.
Posted by jaywild   ( 930 ) on Apr-09-07 at 13:36:46 PDT   Listings
knuden… Yes, a deplorable anniversary. However, as a side note, but by the time Denmark and Norway were subjugated not just Poland had fallen, but Austria and Czechoslovakia as well.

Thanks all for the advice on deleting cookies. I was finally able to find out myself how to murder them selectively in Internet Explorer. I use IE 7, so the setup is slightly different from earlier versions.

Jim

? How to do a “flip-comparison” test on perforations
? US Stamp Identifiers: | 10c Issue of 1855-57 | First 3¢ Stamped Envelopes | Grilled Stamps | Large “Banknotes” | First Bureau Issues | Abe Lincoln’s “tiny eye”
                                    | Washington-Franklin stamps of 1908-22 | 2nd & 3rd Issue Revenue Designs | Colors, Scott 70/78, 24¢ Washington

Posted by greenwave4u   ( 74 ) on Apr-09-07 at 12:51:54 PDT   Listings
Roger Got it, I thought it was in alphabetical order and didn't look beyond P!
Posted by malolo   ( 837 ) on Apr-09-07 at 12:41:46 PDT   Listings
Peter "greenwave" -
At the top of this page right below "Hello, greenwave! (Sign out)" is a search window. To the right of that is a drop down menu, then scroll down that to the very bottom - "Partner"

Peter 8888 -
I never though of going to an advanced search from an individual listing . I'm in and out of auction so fast, all I do is open it from my search, click the scroll down bar if I wish to see the card or cover in more detail for the cancel, then close the window. Just for the record, I use my mouse in my right hand and "hover my left fingers over the "apple key (I think "alt" key on PC's)" and letter "W". Hitting these closes the open window. I always open auctions in new windows so nothing on my search page has to refresh (which has 200 items per page) . I rarely look at the category, or any other information at the top of the page, except the item number when I need to copy and paste it into eSnipe.
Posted by dbenson   ( 8091 ) on Apr-09-07 at 12:30:39 PDT   Listings
Lloyd,

I never said " blown away ", I said " terminated ",

" Well, I see democracy & free speech is in action at the Virtual Stamp Club,

the thread on the illegals has been terminated, "

Definitions of terminated on the Web:

complete: having come or been brought to a conclusion;

David B.


Posted by greenwave4u   ( 74 ) on Apr-09-07 at 12:25:34 PDT   Listings
PeterC UK listings still showing advanced search.
Roger No partners listed on mine. Also still small font are you saying it has been fixed???
Peter
Posted by peterc8888   ( 310 ) on Apr-09-07 at 12:08:24 PDT   Listings
Roger(malolo)

I mean the Advanced Search link is not available anymore when you're viewing a listing. When you're viewing a listing, you will only see the Search but no Advanced Search next to it. For example, when you click this, you will not find Advanced Search link anywhere.


PC
Posted by bjornmu   ( 910 ) on Apr-09-07 at 12:02:39 PDT   Listings
Knuden, I have two Norwegian covers postmarked that day, both addressed to my grandmother whose birthday was April 10. BTW Quisling had been defense minister, not foreign.