eBay Chat: Stamps

Roly Spot-on, chipg was clearly the winner, in my book, for his gorgeous early British initial items,(drool). Unbelievable, even if your initials were not C.G., that showing would be a crown jewel in anyones collection.

Alec, et al Been thinking about what might work best for the next weekly topic. I think going thru the alphabet again but with a topical/name theme. People, places, plants, animals, buildings etc etc. Not specific countries but the theme names of the stamps, A-Z.

P.S. I think there should be an overall winner for the last A-Z showings. Off hand, I'm thinking it would be hard to beat Jaywilds birth date covers or those of chipg, at least for items that have never been showed here before.

Posted by dbenson ( 7808

)

on Feb-04-07 at 23:20:27 PST

Jonathan,

just read your long treatise on the fake fumigation markings and noticed that you state,

" THE BUTLER DID IT "

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7808

)

on Feb-04-07 at 23:19:08 PST

Jonathandean,

a good example to show, a nice contrived cover with genuine markings which you state are uncatalogued. Of course they are uncatalogued but I am sure that they would be listed in a specialised article on the subject. At least they haven't had the usual additions of " damaged by sea water " or " damaged by snow plow " or whatever to enhance them,. I hope you will find a buyer for it but at that price I doubt it very much,

p.s. what was your Ebay name when you listed the fake fumigation markings,

David B.

Posted by jonathandean8 ( 570

) on Feb-04-07 at 22:34:17 PST

dbenson Disinfected Mail Article
Night after night the same people log on to this chat board, don't you have anything better to do with yourselves.
The Disinfeced Mail Article appeared over 3 years ago.
The Royal Mail per K.F. Meyer's "Disinfected Mail", the series of articles he wrote for the APS in the 1950's and Han. T. Sien's book, "Men , Microbes and Medical Microbiologists" never conducted a prologed fumigation campaign for mail from areas affected by the diseases of the time small pox,cholera etc. The few handstamps were all spelt incorrectly a reflection of the level of education of the "medicine men" who sold the aristocrats the fumigation stove under the fallacy and fear that such diseases could be bourne by postal items. These hand stamps were not philatelic but private hand stamps. The obvious is staring you in the face. If you look at the smalls of early 19th century newspapers you will find dozens of "alternative" medicines,"solutions" for mail from disease inflicted areas and adverts for these contraptions. Since their customer base was the rich and the upper class aristocracy and MPs, where basically "the rich", the least they could offer was a hand stamp made by a high quality craftsman who was probably barely literate and simply copied what he was asked to make. A good example how blind philatelists are to the obvious. The Auxiliary Stamp Society estimates there could be as many as 400,000 US to 600,000 uncatalogued philatelic hand stamps (there are 40,000 active post offices today from a high of 80,000 in the US and as there newsletter indicates they make their own auxiliary handstamps as they are required) , world wide millions and millions of uncatalogued hand stamps. But in the above article these clearly were private hand stamps probably applied by the Butler who delivered the mail to the Master of the House.
Lot 150088817756 is a good example of six uncatalogued Dominica Hand Stamps and one Israeli uncatalogued hand stamp. Ebay referred to us to the APS, who have a group who advise eBay on philatelic issues per eBay , the APS staff and elected officers had no knowledge of this APS Group but referred us to 30 to 40 major stamp dealers around the world , many of who had sold by private treaty collections to us. The consensus was overwhelmingly to call uncatalogued hand stamps "*instructional markings* and not philatelic hand stamps". Unfortunately I will be offline for 72 hours so will miss the fun of your yuppie replies if I log on again ever. Seriously though "uncatalogued hand stamps" is an issue for buyer and seller alike and should be tackled seriously.The Ebay Chat Board is unfortunately a very limited chat board with a dozen or so regulars, but nevertheless a mixture of well informed buyers and sellers.

Posted by vinnysf ( 295

) on Feb-04-07 at 22:03:09 PST

thanks paper history...yeah i figured that the one with the cancel is the only real one... i've gonna keep my distance from confederates from now on. lol

Posted by billsey ( 840

) on Feb-04-07 at 21:46:05 PST

Thanks Bill, I've updated the U and V segments of our A-Z web page.

Posted by malolo ( 836

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on Feb-04-07 at 21:33:06 PST

Here’s my contribution to letter “W”.

An 1873 letter from Switzerland to Reverend William Hayes Ward of New York City. The Reverend Ward joined the staff of the “Independent” in 1868 and later was promoted to Editor in Chief from 1893- 1913. It is always interesting to discover information about the addressee on 19th century covers.

The rate on the cover, as far as I can determine is 5 centimes overpaid.

Roger

Posted by csdoctor ( 184

)

on Feb-04-07 at 21:29:33 PST

hello.

Posted by malolo ( 836

)

on Feb-04-07 at 20:25:26 PST

Pro -
Razors are pretty scarce, but it doesn’t surprise me that there are none in 4500 cards. The devices were only used in the 12 major post offices, no small towns, no villages, nowhere except these District Post Offices. It seems only Aarau used its device exclusively on all outgoing mail during the test period, except of course when it was in the shop for repairs.

Saturday I won a lot in Switzerland that was described as 90 covers of razor cancels. My friend there saw the albums and at the end of the pages was an 1889 cover of the deCoppet precursor along with a 1973 note stating only 3 known on cover. I ‘m certain more have been found of this device on cover, but that will be worth every dollar I spent on the lot, making all the other 89 free. )’>) I have seen no scans of the collection but it should be interesting to view when it arrives.

Roger

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-04-07 at 20:23:39 PST

last week I was going to add V is for VICTORIA the State I have called home for these last 26 years... must have forgotten I did the scan, and its such a nice machine cancel too! never mind, better late than never.
And I have a new W too.... maybe post it tomorrow.

Victoria .. a week late!

Linda

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1212

)

on Feb-04-07 at 20:06:21 PST

due2cents
Thanks for relaying that kind remarks are being made. I’d guess you were somewhere near Indiana when you heard them.

Roly (rolyrj)
I’ve not counted them, but I’d guess I’ve around 500 different, plus a few of the letters used in the first years of the club. They are in four bulging binders. I’ve a very few holes in my personal collection and have gotten scans from one of the best collections that was in Kokomo before the owner died and his material was scattered. I’ve recently had a line on getting his primary collection of Kokomo Club Cards, but that’s not all worked out as yet. So far I think the upcoming “X” may be the only letter I don’t have a strong connection from at least one of the club cards. I’ll be looking through them again soon for finishing up the “W” week, so, who knows I may be able to come up with a connection.
Building the Kokomo club card collection has given me a mess of duplicates, but I’ve yet to decide just how & when I want to deal with them.

RE: Tonight’s football game
Again I was more impressed by the character of the coaches and the players (with very few exceptions) on both teams, especially in their remarks about the relationships built among the team after the game.

In keeping with the "W" theme here’s a 71 style Bureau precancel used in Warsaw, Indiana byt the Crippled Children fund click here.

Jim L.

Posted by wrd3 ( 99

) on Feb-04-07 at 19:38:31 PST

billsey I have both the U week and the V week entries. Relative to the "U" week ... you'll have to figure out which of rolyrj's entries to post (or perhaps all of them).

rolyrj I think you meant to refer to the "V" week in your post announcing the winner. : - )

I was glad to see Manning win, but the game was (in my opinion) not well played. Of course all the rain probably had something to do with that .....

Bill D.

Posted by djs127 ( 569

)

on Feb-04-07 at 19:28:54 PST

My US revenue collection just finished and went for $28 which is more than I paid for the original one. Guess it shows US revenues are popular on Ebay.

After many errands this morning was able to finish putting used Swedish stamps into my international albums from a collection i bought on Ebay a while ago. Colts Bears game was fun watching --- my youngest son had wanted the Bears to win so he was disappointed. I had thought the Colts were the better team after I saw they beat New England (who beat the Jets).
David Snyder

Posted by iomoon ( 1041

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on Feb-04-07 at 19:21:24 PST

Good game.

Chicago lost.

Better team won when it was necessary.

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Feb-04-07 at 19:19:20 PST

billsey I have a full capture of the letter "V" if you require it.

Posted by billsey ( 840

) on Feb-04-07 at 19:11:15 PST

Roly, thanks for the remarks, though my Upper Volta is far from remarkable. :-)

I just realized that I didn't put the U winner on on the web page! Bill D, do you still have a capture? I missed a good portion of that week by being out of computer range. :-(

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-04-07 at 19:05:53 PST

W is for Warren, Wellton, Wenden, Whipple, Wickenburg, Wikieup, Willcox, Williams, Window Rock, Winkelman and Winslow Arizona.

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-04-07 at 19:01:46 PST

Knuden… Wremarkable Wrappers!!

Jim

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Feb-04-07 at 18:57:46 PST

Thank you for the nice compliment David.

Posted by bilbo ( 306

) on Feb-04-07 at 18:37:52 PST

IO,

Thanks loads!

Sorry I wasn't back sooner, but I've been busy.

y'all have a great evening!

bilbo

Posted by slugovonpoohbah ( 0 ) on Feb-04-07 at 18:36:13 PST

MVP for the Colts Rex Grossman

Posted by dbenson ( 7808

)

on Feb-04-07 at 18:31:26 PST

roly, well done, you'll make a good judge, picked the best one and gave all the others a critique,

ps. you almost beat us last night,

David B.

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Feb-04-07 at 18:13:27 PST

Results for week "U"
First the disclaimer :) I am in no way setting my self up as an expert and wouldn't have the first clue as to how to judge an exhibit. So my choice for week "U" is simply based on what I liked and what I really liked and what I really really liked.
I counted 51 entries this week which is a real good showing. It facinates me as to what we all collect and our various areas of "expertise", if I can use that word.

So.... right out of the blocks at full steam was a most impressive showing from Antonius-ra with Vietnam (South) followed closely by Venezuela and a great showing of Venezia aka Venice.

Then I was most impressed by Sayasan's Victory series. (where do you unearth all this type of material !!)

Then along comes David B. and hits the emotional strings with superb material from Vavau. But IO is hard in there as well with his lovely pages on Viti Levu. But Sheryll (S2) also hops onto the emotional band wago and presents Vanuatu. Much too much for this boy who loves the Pacific and has spent many months in each of these glorious locations.

However, moving on I was most impressed with Postalhysteria's thinking outside the box with Jules Verne, Voice of America, Volleyball etc. Kind of appealed to my sense of quirkiness :)

Jim L. How many Kokomo Club Cards do you have? :)

bilsey Runner up mate..... You have a great series of Upper Volta and very nicely displayed. I can appreciate the work that goes into presenting this sort of material in web page form having just done (still doing) my Penny Universal's pages.

And so the winner for week "U".
So many people went "wow" when this very short posting was made. I am sure many people appreciated this showing from chipg on Feb 01 -07, 06:19:47 for his magnificent display of his intitials "CG" on Victoria's.
I can appreciate the sheer hard work in collecting these specimens and then presenting them so well. So congratulations from me....... hope all approve :-O

Cheers

Roly

Posted by paperhistory ( 1971

)

on Feb-04-07 at 17:57:07 PST

vinny: the only one that has any chance is the used one in the lower left of your second scan. The others are all fakes or fantasies. (and the one with Washington is a fake of the New York postmasters' provisional, not a confederate).

pro: look forward to hearing about it. thanks! I have a ton of stuff that I need to get through, sort, arrange, mount, etc. Can't stop buying in order to do all of that.

Posted by claghorn1p ( 410

)

on Feb-04-07 at 16:31:59 PST

W is for Western Hungary listed in Michel.

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on Feb-04-07 at 16:31:06 PST

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Posted by due2cents ( 24

) on Feb-04-07 at 15:10:38 PST

K.E. as always great things you share thanks.

Matt Not really on the Doanes I have 800 or so EKU LKU and 26 New ones Where i was once Very interested in these I now just get them to get them.
One day I will have one of Each.
The Ohio I got I Must share with you because I promised a Nice Little Olde Guy from Ohio I would share it with that young att from Cleveland ( he could not remember your name but had the ohio postal history connection) and let me have the card I noticed on top of his 25 cent cards he was buying for the Ohio views. When I told him why I was interested he tried to remember you But I made the connection and he said take it But share the info with you. I will in the AM. (did not get his name sorry)
BTW i picked up one of those 23 teeth ones today.
Looked at 800 of those Dealer thought me crazy counting the points like a crazy man, did pick up 8 more Wesson TOB cancels.

Jim L I overheard a part of a discussion as I was looking thru some cards at a show heard some nice things said about you.

NOIP because I got a few thousand more cards this weekend must go back to playing with my collection.

Got a bunch of nice Perfins on cards this time out
and a big batch of German Inflation uses to America.
Roger I ran into over 4500 used Swiss cards Not one Razor ;-(

Posted by vinnysf ( 295

) on Feb-04-07 at 14:58:02 PST

and also these confederates. are any of them real?

Posted by vinnysf ( 295

) on Feb-04-07 at 14:46:46 PST

i got some suspicious confederates and would anyone be able to help me outare any of these are real?

Posted by lluehhhb ( 238

) on Feb-04-07 at 14:35:07 PST

NOIP

I used to collect Germany empire some time ago, but left and sold it to move on other areas.

Probably my favourite series was the 1933 nothilfe (for the W letter, this is also known as the Wagner issue).

I always had in mind to start a postal history collection of the issue, but never decided to start until I saw this cover. I don't know if the price is right but it looks great.

Can anyone help me with the rate? there is 180 pf in stamps and 395 pf in a meter mark for a total of 575 pf.

does anybody have the german rates for the 1933-1934 period?
thanks!

Posted by dbenson ( 7808

)

on Feb-04-07 at 14:31:15 PST

knud, some nice items, the one's I admire most are the Gabon & of course the French with the DECEDE handstamp, looks like the beginning of a nice one frame exhibit,

David B.

Posted by knuden ( 2198

)

on Feb-04-07 at 14:03:16 PST

W is for wrapper with original contents

As a very small left hand collection, I collect wrappers with original contents. These are rather unusual but can be found.

Here is what I have found so far:

1. Postal wrapper from Denmark 1916 (Declaration of guarantee on sale of footwear)
2. Postal wrapper from Denmark 1927 (Newspaper)
3. Postal wrapper from Denmark 1938 (Poster about draw of bonds)
4. Wrapper from Austria 1909 (Newspaper)
5. Wrapper from Belgium 1965 (Newspaper)
6. Wrapper from France 1893 - back with seal and many interesting cancels (Official letter)
7. Wrapper from France 1909 (Religious writing)
8. Wrapper from Gabon 1891 (Philatelic printed letter).

K.E

I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1212

)

on Feb-04-07 at 13:40:46 PST

FWIW: Whe I tried the Morley-Bright Roll-a-Tector I found it working best on stamps that showed their watermark when held up to a light (ie Irish). I did not find it that helpful on hard to see watermarks (ieyellow Washington/Franklins). I’ve had my best luck with the Washington/Franklins holding them up to direct sunlight through a southern window. For a while I had a cardboard piece where I’d cut out a hole just under the size of the stamp to I could avoid looking directly at the sun. I used a cut out from a showguard mount to hold the alignment of the stamp to the opening. I’d cut off the back down to just above the weld so it would hold the stamp and block minimal sunlight. Once in a while I needed to invert the stamp for a second look. It’s gotten lost in moving, but it’s not that hard to create one when needed.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-04-07 at 13:30:52 PST

JayJim Wimbledon Common and Putney Heath on left, Wimbledon Camp was near the Queens Mere (marked) and the All England Lawn Tennis Club is on the right..:o)

Map for our American Friends

Linda (off to work now, its 8.30am!)

Posted by iomoon ( 1041

)

on Feb-04-07 at 13:26:09 PST

Another one.

W is for William Wordsworth.

Someone who knew how to write in coherent English.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-04-07 at 13:13:18 PST

Jay! they are not on the COMMON!! they are in Wimbledon propper.. down the high street.. It is acutally a beautiful and expensive suburb of London. the houses that are in the streets facing the Common are multi-million pound homes, I love walking around that area, and the pubs!!! loads of them all with lovely english beer, and outside drinking areas. You stroll around for 1/2 an hour, have a beer.. stroll a little further... another pub another beer. Quite a nice way to spend a summers day in Wimbledon

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-04-07 at 13:04:28 PST

Lindy… Where are the tennis courts??

Jim

Posted by iomoon ( 1041

)

on Feb-04-07 at 12:59:40 PST

Bilbo

Chinese catalog indicates sheets of 20 (4 x 5) and perf 12.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-04-07 at 12:48:51 PST

W is for WIMBLEDON Camp on Wimbledon Common / Putney Heath, London. A temporary post office was established for 2 weeks in July each year during the National Rifle Association Championships. These Queen Victoria stamps have been cancelled with the 1873 July 21st first type cds which was introduced in 1867

This postcard shows a view of the Entrance to Camp Wimbledon Common (in winter not in July!)

Linda

Posted by rclwa ( 950

) on Feb-04-07 at 12:39:39 PST

bjorn -- Hawaii was an independent country with its own stamps at that time. The really tough ones, that do exist, are Alaska (figure $3k) and the American consulate in Japan. Also they were used from Victoria BC in Canada (another very pricey one) to facilitate routing through the U.S. They actually kept stocks of US stamps in the Canadian post office, I believe. But many of the western states were still territories then, places like Colorado, Utah, Arizona, etc, and rather sparsely populated. One of these days I'll get all of them together and see which I still need.

Bob in WA

Posted by iomoon ( 1041

)

on Feb-04-07 at 12:21:14 PST

Jim

Wales has a tradition of the male voice choir.
I'm guessing it started with the coal miners of South Wales.
Basically it was free and did not involve the rigorous exertions that they dealt with in their working lives.
However, the anthem brings back haunting memories of the mountains of North Wales which, before the emergence of Plaid Cymru, was the stronghold of the Welsh language.
When heard echoing off the walls of a stadium, sung by thousands of Welshmen, it is quite moving.

Posted by iomoon ( 1041

)

on Feb-04-07 at 12:13:16 PST

Bilbo

Numbers are correct.
Sea Creatures released October 3rd 1990, Litho, perf 12 x 11 1/2
Apollo-Soyuz July 15th 1975, litho, perf 11 1/2
Cranes October 9th, 1994, photo and engraved, perf 11 x 11 1/2.

Posted by peetah ( 460

) on Feb-04-07 at 12:09:25 PST

bilbo Those look like "joint issues", with the USA

Posted by bilbo ( 306

) on Feb-04-07 at 12:01:11 PST

Hi all,

I wonder if some of you nice people might be able to help me out with some info on these sheets

Russian Sea Creatures
I think the Russian Scott numbers are 5933-5936, but I also need the other paticulars like release date, art numbers, Press type, and sheet layout if possible.

Russian Space Sheet
I think the Russian Scott numbers are 4339-4340, but I would like to get the same info as the above sheet if possible.

Two Chinese Birds Sheets
I think the Chinese Scott numbers for these two sheets are 2528-2529, but again, as much of the other information as is possible will be greatly appreciated.

Posted by bjornmu ( 869

) on Feb-04-07 at 11:56:09 PST

Bob in WA (WT), nice find. I suppose Hawaii is impossible?

Posted by rclwa ( 950

) on Feb-04-07 at 11:49:13 PST

W is for WT, which in both address and postmark stands for Washington Territory, one of the more elusive ones in my quest for a #114 (3¢ 1869 series) cover from each state, or whatever it was at the time. This was posted December 13, 1869. The 1870 census reported the population of Seattle, carved out of wilderness less than 20 years earlier, at 1107. The larger Olympia boasted 1203. This is frontier days, before railroads and the Panama Canal made getting here even remotely practical.

One of these days I'll have to explain the connection between this design and my bridge collection.

Bob in WA

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-04-07 at 11:42:59 PST

Io… Oh I agree. Quite stirring.

Jim

Posted by iomoon ( 1041

)

on Feb-04-07 at 11:35:15 PST

peetah

I assume image is of Queen Beatrix.
They are "cinderellas".
Maarten or Paolo would know better than I.

Posted by bjornmu ( 869

) on Feb-04-07 at 11:14:34 PST

Rainer, I've previously seen a letter from you being sold at a Norwegian auction site, but now I'm seeing a letter to you for sale on eBay Germany! I can send you the item number if you're interested.

Posted by peetah ( 460

) on Feb-04-07 at 11:14:33 PST

iomoon Netherlands? Values?

Posted by iomoon ( 1041

)

on Feb-04-07 at 11:11:43 PST

Jim

Yep.
Raises the hair on the back of my neck.

Peetah

They are local and field posts.

Posted by peetah ( 460

) on Feb-04-07 at 10:54:17 PST

jaywild Ok, now I am confused enough, LOL. If I can find an email addy to the Unitrade editor, I'll put the question to them. (Like Scott, one has to hunt to find the editor's email addy).
NOIP Any idea what the Scott numbers are for these
stamps are? Value? I suspect Netherlands, but........?

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-04-07 at 10:47:46 PST

Peetah… Yes, I noticed that phrasing “factor” after my last post on the subject. I’m assuming it means “premium”, because if it just meant factor in the strict sense of the word, a 100% factor of CV would be the CV, and one would think NH would always sell for a premium over hinged.

Jim

Posted by paperhistory ( 1971

)

on Feb-04-07 at 10:47:36 PST

pro: buy the book before you buy too many postal cards on a theory they are varieties. Most of the "teeth" varieties are the result of uneven printing. They all need to be completely missing for the "variety" value - there's also a variety with 23 teeth instead of the normal (21?).

Would welcome any info you have on Ohio Doanes. Do you report new finds to the various state coordinators? Or is that one of those "round tuit" projects that we all have?

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-04-07 at 10:45:18 PST

Io… So it must be this…

Jim

Posted by peetah ( 460

) on Feb-04-07 at 10:37:37 PST

jaywild Would have been easier if they gave the premium as 2X or 3X the MH value.
Hmmmm,Unitrade refers to it as "Pricing Factor" ? Is there some kind of algebraic meaning for factor?

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-04-07 at 10:28:31 PST

Peetah… The wording is a little misleading. 100% of a CV of $5 is, of course, $5, but a premium of 100% means, to me at least, that 100% of the CV should be added to the original CV to get the NH value, in this case $5 + $5 = $10. So $15 is 300% of the original CV of $5, but represents only a premium of 200% over the original CV, i.e. $10.

Confused yet?

Jim

Posted by peetah ( 460

) on Feb-04-07 at 10:18:45 PST

Thanx jaywild Reason I asked is I was looking over my new Unitrade for Canada, and noted the Never Hinged "Pricing Factor" (up to 1948) and it set my mind to wondering. 100% of $5.00 is $5.00 so $5+$5 = $10.00 and 200% of $5.00 is $10.00 and $5+$10 = $15.00 but $15 is 300%
of $5.......isn't it?

Posted by iomoon ( 1041

)

on Feb-04-07 at 10:06:41 PST

Jim

It's not official, but try telling a Welshman.

Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi,
Gwlad beirdd a chantorion, enwogion o fri;
Ei gwrol ryfelwyr, gwladgarwyr tra mad,
Tros ryddid collasant eu gwaed.

Cytgan
Gwlad, gwlad, pleidiol wyf i'm gwlad,
Tra môr yn fur
I'r bur hoffbau,
O bydded i'r heniaith barhau.

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-04-07 at 10:04:52 PST

Peetah… A 100% premium, I would guess, would double the value. 200% would be 3 times the base value.

Just my 2¢ though…

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-04-07 at 10:00:25 PST

Io… Which Welsh National anthem—I found both Bwrd yr Laith and Hen Wlad fy Nhadau using Google.

Jim

Posted by greenwave4u ( 71

) on Feb-04-07 at 09:59:14 PST

Jim Great link thanks for that!
Peter

Posted by prochute ( 65

) on Feb-04-07 at 09:55:22 PST

Where o' where did this chat board go?
Oh where o' where can it be?
It's lost with its tail 'tween its legs
Like a dog who runs from a flea!

To all who come here. Stop wasting your time like some of us who still believe one can learn something new abour stamps.

My advice is FORGET ABOUT IT. with apologies to Tony Montana

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-04-07 at 09:55:16 PST

esmf02… For me, Ronsonol lighter fluid in a black tray is my favorite way of detecting watermarks. Black ceramic is better than black plastic, because the black is richer and darker.

Jim

Posted by iomoon ( 1041

)

on Feb-04-07 at 09:47:27 PST

Peter

I had to google it, Gareth Edwards' last game was in 1978, you can see a movie of "the try" here. Barry John quit in 1972. One of the memorable quotes was that he scored "one of the greatest conversions since that of St. Paul".

The games are almost worth going to just to hear the crowd sing the Welsh National anthem.

Posted by peetah ( 460

) on Feb-04-07 at 09:47:09 PST

Assuming a Mint Hinged stamp has a catalog value of $5.00,
what would the Dollar value be if MINT NEVER HINGED had a pricing factor of 100%? and what if the pricing factor was 200% ?
(Not looking to debate the word "Mint", just looking for the math, using just 2 variables 100% and 200%)

Posted by esmf02 ( 399

) on Feb-04-07 at 09:37:20 PST

Thank you all for your advice. I appreciate it. *Flaming on a stamp board is dangerous....stamps burn, you know*

Posted by greenwave4u ( 71

) on Feb-04-07 at 09:33:08 PST

esmf02 I get good results and can recommend the Morley-Bright Roll-a-Tector provided the back of the stamp is clean, but no experience with the Washington/Franklins.
Peter

Posted by greenwave4u ( 71

) on Feb-04-07 at 09:29:07 PST

W is for William Shakespeare.

cheers

Peter

Posted by wrd3 ( 99

) on Feb-04-07 at 09:22:15 PST

esmf02 I'm probably not the right person to give advice, since I detest Washington/Franklins precisely because I have a very tough time identifying watermarks (so I have glassines of W/Fs set aside for "another time"). From what I've read the non-fluid methods of detecting watermarks are not as good as the fluid methods (with the possible exception of some new expensive, high technology equipment being tried at one of the expertising groups). I use lighter fluid and a black ceramic tray for detecting watermarks. I've read "the best" fluid to detect watermarks is called Clarity, although I've also read it is expensive. I haven't tried it myself.

You've unfortunately stopped by during one of the not-infrequent flame wars. You may want to try asking questions on Richard Frajola's Board. Richard keeps the focus on discussions about stamps, and there are several experts on US stamps who post to that board regularly.

Bill D.

Posted by esmf02 ( 399

) on Feb-04-07 at 09:14:41 PST

Thank you for the answers. As a follow-up to my watermarking question, is fluid and a tray the best answer? Is the Morley-Bright Roll-a-Tector any good? What about Safe Signoscope T2 Watermark Detector? Any value t these things or is the old fashioned way still the best bet?

Posted by greenwave4u ( 71

) on Feb-04-07 at 09:12:48 PST

Apologies for the bold

Posted by greenwave4u ( 71

) on Feb-04-07 at 09:12:28 PST

Jim Now you are showing your age, I can't remember when they last played:-) Come to think of it neither can I.

Paul Seems like one shot was not enough BANG :-))))

Posted by lloydstamps ( 542

)

on Feb-04-07 at 08:26:40 PST

EXHIBITS SOUGHT FOR AMERICOVER 2007
Prospectus Now Available On Web Site Or By Mail

Exhibits are now being sought for Americover 2007, the American First Day Cover Society's annual convention and FDC show, which will be held Aug. 17-19 in Stamford, Conn.

Americover is a World Series of Philately show sanctioned by the American Philatelic Society, and its Grand Award winner is eligible to compete in the Champion of Champions exhibition the following summer.

"Having FDCs exhibits now a part of the C of C has elevated FDC exhibiting to the same level as Postal History or Aerophilately," said Andrew McFarlane, Americover 2005 Grand Award winner and the first exhibitor to represent Americover at Stampshow.

The Americover 2007 prospectus and exhibit application may be downloaded from the AFDCS Web site, www.afdcs.org, or requested by mail from Norman Elrod, 641 Dogwood Trail, McMinnville, TN 37110-3015, or e-mail at nelrod@infoave.net. A business-size self-addressed stamped envelope would be appreciated.

The emphasis at Americover is on First Day Cover exhibits, and about three-fourths of each exhibit should consist of FDCs. All three divisions (Postal, Illustrated Mail and Display) of the General class of exhibits will be accepted, as well as One-Frame and Youth exhibits.

In addition to the standard WSP exhibit awards and the Grand Award, the AFDCS offers special awards for research, foreign FDCs, single-frame, topical FDCs, and novice collectors, among others, and several other philatelic societies will make their awards available to Americover exhibitors, including the APS and the American Association of Philatelic Exhibitors.

A total of 160 frames are available on a first-come first-served basis. AFDCS membership is not required to exhibit. The deadline for entering the Americover 2007 exhibition is June 15, 2007, or whenever the available frames fill up.

"Winning the Grand at Americover was the highlight of my exhibiting experience to date," said McFarlane.

In addition to the exhibition, Americover 2007 features a commercial bourse, a cachetmakers' bourse, a banquet, an informal auction, a tour before the show, a dinner event on Sunday evening, meetings and seminars, and a hospitality suite. A U.S. first-day ceremony is likely, too.

Once again, the AFDCS has held the Americover room-rate under $100 a night at the show hotel, the Stamford Marriott Hotel & Spa in downtown Stamford. The site is convenient to trains and buses, and just 13 miles from the White Plains, NY, airport ("HPN").

For more information on Americover 2007, visit the AFDCS Web site, www.afdcs.org, or write Norman Elrod via e-mail at nelrod@infoave.net.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-04-07 at 08:24:30 PST

went// not ///when

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-04-07 at 08:23:49 PST

he was ///not// we was

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-04-07 at 08:22:37 PST

To those reader who weren't around, we had a guy come on here with a very poor scan and claimed to have a printing error of the U.S. stamp of Dr. Salk ,we was not ford-coming with his answers and details but wanted everyone to get excited about what he had, So i called his bluff and the board when nuts ......but ...later it was determined not to be a great rarity and made a few here more Nuts ... as you can see a few still carry the illness today ....paul

Posted by iomoon ( 1041

)

on Feb-04-07 at 08:16:21 PST

Peter

Correct.
I guess Wales misses the talents of Barry John and Gareth Edwards and the likes.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-04-07 at 08:15:40 PST

JAYWILD ------Your behavior over my statement about interest rate market last June will also always be remembered by all the readers here .Your antics that crossed the line and your scrrilous,insulting behavior was reprensible Nobody who read this board will forget,.....back to stamps

Posted by greenwave4u ( 71

) on Feb-04-07 at 08:04:22 PST

Bang

Posted by greenwave4u ( 71

) on Feb-04-07 at 08:04:06 PST

JIm Wales who are losing 9-12 to Ireland in the rugby at the moment:-)
Peter

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-04-07 at 08:03:26 PST

I GIVE UP ----somebody just shoot me

Posted by iomoon ( 1041

)

on Feb-04-07 at 08:00:11 PST

Good day all.

W is for White Island.

Crossword clue:

Sounds like crying in your beer (5)!!!

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-04-07 at 07:59:22 PST

Note to everyone who objects to non-stamp related posts on this board… Regarding my previous post, please ignore in its entirety.

Jim

Posted by saphilatelics ( 402

)

on Feb-04-07 at 07:57:10 PST

NOIP
Before anyone gets excited about the Michel in English that knuden mentioned, it covers only selected areas before 1945. It is missing, among other things, the German States.

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-04-07 at 07:56:35 PST

Paul… Lest the truth become even more mired in obfuscation, I was one of the “few” on this board who “went nuts” in reference to your behavior regarding the Salk error sheet linked on the board by a user named patina. But it was not because you said the sheet had no value, it was because you deliberately and repeatedly called patina a liar on this board, based on no evidence whatever other than the promptings of your insatiable ego. Up until that time I ignored your antics, but for me that crossed the line. You are still operating on the far side of that line when you try to deny your scurrilous, insulting behavior toward patina. If you’re going to continue to bring up that reprehensible incident, don’t sugarcoat it. I will see to it that everyone is reminded of what really happened.

Jim

Posted by knuden ( 2198

)

on Feb-04-07 at 07:43:57 PST

Paul - Fair enough. :O) But for Germany, Scott is useless. As Rainer say, Michel is much better. Even the most simplified Michel catalog is way ahead Scott. My best advise for collectors of Germany is to buy a Michel catalog (there is just issued one in english for the part up to 1945).

K.E

I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!

Posted by 22028 ( 1551

)

on Feb-04-07 at 07:35:11 PST

Paul, sorry, what do you want to know about these stamps? They are listed in German Michel catalogue under Germany, Russian Zone, just to be followed by DDR.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-04-07 at 07:22:52 PST

FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO FOLLOW THE DISCUSSION Here is what we are talking about .I said the thin transparent paper looks gray on the scan . SAXONY....paul

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-04-07 at 07:10:39 PST

KNUDEN ----everybody known the stamps were issued under Russian occupation but the U.S. catlogs list them under DDR ,so trying to help my friend Vinny so he can find it in the catalog .If I said just Saxony that would put him in another part of the Scott catalog ......hope this explains it better

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-04-07 at 07:04:28 PST

KNUDEN-----Why don't we wait for another poster to read what i said ,and he can help out .

I think i said it looks like thin transparent paper because of the gray color in the scan not that its gray ------PLEASE SOMEONE READ THE TWO POSTINGS AGAIN AND HELP .

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-04-07 at 06:52:14 PST

DANA ----Thanks for your posting ,If i remember correctly i did state you did the research and your view point about the Salk sheet was the correct one and was changing my view to the one you posted .I didn't think the sheet had much value and that made a few here go nuts .Overtime my view was correct it wasn't a true error .Some even posted that i was in co-hoots with the owner .....paul

Posted by knuden ( 2198

)

on Feb-04-07 at 06:52:00 PST

Stamps12345 - A small correction to your message. Vinny's stamp is correct from the Saxony Province but not from DDR, as DDR first was formed as a state Oct. 7, 1949. The stamp can't be the one in gray paper, as this was from 1945 and unperfed. It's more like it's from the issue from 1946, which have very thin paper (Zigarettenpapier). *smile*

K.E

I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-04-07 at 06:42:29 PST

esmf02… To elaborate on Dana’s point, here is how an entire W-F pane with single line watermark looks. (The stamps are indicated by the rectangles.) As can be seen, there are some stamps which show very little of the U S P S, notably, among others, the ones denoted with a small red X.

The problem is of such importance that I believe a Scott catalog number, of a supposed 30 cent unwatermarked Franklin stamp, is in the process of being delisted because of the evolving belief that stamps regarded for years as unwatermarked are in reality merely those that occurred in parts of the sheet where the watermark doesn’t show. I will post more details later—if anyone happens to get PSE’s Stamps Quarterly there’s an article in the issue I got the other day on this topic.

Jim

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-04-07 at 06:28:54 PST

VINNY -----There is one stamp the others missed ,the second stamp on the last row is a DDR stamp from the saxony province {scott 13n16}.It looks like the thin transparent paper because of the gray color in your scan ....wanted others to review it first but they are all correct but two other stamps are too small to identify .

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1212

)

on Feb-04-07 at 03:26:27 PST

Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all

In keeping with the "V" theme here’s a cover from the Blitzkrieg New, a stamp newsletter from Wabash, Indiana that used precancels on this cover it’s a Wabash 734.

Jim L.

Posted by vinnysf ( 295

) on Feb-04-07 at 01:06:38 PST

paul is just here to stir everyone up on purpose.. you all shouldn't keep feeding into it. nobody really acts like that

Posted by billsey ( 840

) on Feb-03-07 at 22:59:15 PST

I've got a Morley-Bright watermark detector I picked up as part of a box lot a couple of years ago. Do they work well on the W-Fs? I know the stamp color wouldn't make any difference with them, but I don't know how deep the watermark 'grooves' are in the paper on those.

Someday I'll get back on my US collection and see what I really got back in the '70s. :-)

Posted by dkru ( 354

) on Feb-03-07 at 22:21:38 PST

esmf02...Watermarking the W-F's can be tough, especially in the case of some of the yellow and light blue varieties. If you are using fluid, make sure your tray has a good dark, preferably black, background. For used varieties, water can sometimes bring out the watermark more clearly than fluid. Before deciding that any of them are unwatermarked, be certain that there are no traces of single line letters along the edges. There are some blank spots on the single line sheets which cover almost an entire stamp back.

Dana

Posted by esmf02 ( 399

) on Feb-03-07 at 22:10:54 PST

Even though I have been collecting for years, I feel like I don't know the best way to determine watermarks, especially for the Washingtons and Franklins. I am never really quite sure I have gotten it right. Does anyone think there is a right or foolproof way to go about testing for watermarks? I would be pleased to learn something new. Thanks.

Posted by dkru ( 354

) on Feb-03-07 at 22:07:53 PST

Hello all. I sit down tonight to read the stamp chat board after a few weeks away and what do I find? I find I am one of the featured subjects in the latest food fight! Geez!

stamps12345...Paul, those of my album pages posted on Mitch's site all have my name on them and always have.

antonius ra...Mitch, while never offering a clear apology for his prior remarks regarding that Salk error, he did acknowledge that it was a genuine printing error after on of my posts.

But don't let me interupt, let the fun continue. Best regards, Dana

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-03-07 at 21:50:44 PST

Me too, chaswilly. Productive posts which show links to stamps/postal history are much desired over those which merely bemoan the lack of same.

Posted by chaswilly ( 1593

) on Feb-03-07 at 21:49:11 PST

Ranier pretty much the same stuff, Infla, Österreich and Lombary Venetia classic.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-03-07 at 21:40:41 PST

Yes Chaswilly most of us love stamps and postal history, what are you going to show us that is interesting?

Any linked scans are always welcome, particularly our weekly LETTER OF THE WEEK.. Its V still, W tomorrow... however we are happy to look at any interesting / unusual or even pretty ordinary items.... post away!!

Linda

Posted by 22028 ( 1551

)

on Feb-03-07 at 21:38:39 PST

chaswilly, yes I do care..., what do you collect? For my collecting fields, check my me page.

Posted by chaswilly ( 1593

) on Feb-03-07 at 21:35:35 PST

Been lurking the last week, seems the more things change, the more they stay the same. Does anyody really care about stamps or postal history?

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-03-07 at 21:01:48 PST

Pro… Nice Oct 5 cancel. Yes, those are Wessons.

Jim

Posted by due2cents ( 24

) on Feb-03-07 at 20:39:38 PST

Thanks Matt and Dave S.
Guess I'll go back and get all the errors he had
the fact that they all have Wesson TOB is just a bonus.
There were a few different type errors all involving the teeth. Just little points, just the bottoms,and of course the missing one I picked up.
Matt because I brought home over 1500 new items today(and have plans for the morrow) I do not know which bundle where I put it but monday or tuesday will share a NEW ohio doane. Maybe 2.

Posted by iomoon ( 1041

)

on Feb-03-07 at 19:49:25 PST

sheltonrc27rca

I think you just broke the record with seven spelling and grammatical errors in one of your sentences.

Posted by paperhistory ( 1971

)

on Feb-03-07 at 19:34:45 PST

pro: yes, those are Wessons. Standard postal card reference is the United States Postal Card Catalog, which I think is published by the United Postal Stationery Society ever 5 years (last edition 2005). The missing teeth is a known variety which cataloged $25 in 2000.

Posted by nomad55 ( 863

)

on Feb-03-07 at 19:34:19 PST

Pro - the time on bottom markings are called Wessons, named after the manufacturer.

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1212

)

on Feb-03-07 at 19:29:07 PST

shelton27rca
Welcome to the Stamp Chat Board.
More and more were seeing stamps sold before the first day of issue. I doubt that there would be much premium for your envelope. It’s a nice item that I’d keep rather than sell.

In keeping with the "V" theme here’s a few more Valentine theme cards from the Kokomo Stamps Club:
card 25-2.

card 29-2.

card 20-2.

Jim L.

Posted by rich-in-pa ( 202

) on Feb-03-07 at 19:28:56 PST

stamps12345...Paul,I have tried not to get involved with your crap on this board but since you brought my name into this I will explain it to you.
When Mitch put his collection online he asked for help with some British Commonwealth,since his Dad had that part. I contacted him to offer scans of my collection.
We never talked about him putting my name on the scans.I assumed since he was just trying to put a reference on line so if someone needed to look at a specific stamp it would be there.Quite frankly I never cared.
Mitch, of course,took the high road and credited Dana's and my pages,which they still are.He was not trying to show anyone that he had "The worlds greatest stamp collection".
He also never claimed to own the stamps that Dana and I have on his web site,which you have claimed many times.
I have spoken to Mitch many times via phone calls and can say nothing but good things about him. I am proud to call him a friend,though we have never met in person.I wish I lived closer to him for I have a standing invitation to visit as he does from me.
If you haven't noticed,you are driving people away from this board with this constant one-upmanship thing with David.
If you need constant approval for everything you do,I suggest you go elsewhere because coming here and bragging about everything in your life isn't working.
P.S.
I am happy for you that your daughter is back home.
Rich Degillio

Posted by shelton27rca ( 0 )

on Feb-03-07 at 19:15:20 PST

i have a ronald regan stamp poastmarked the day b4 the offical release it has never benn mailed the envelope is unsealed probally 1 of a kind any ideas on wht is worth

Posted by due2cents ( 24

) on Feb-03-07 at 19:12:46 PST

Jaywild's other link
Oct5
i thought neat because of origin and then of course the Rec'd 5 oct

Posted by due2cents ( 24

) on Feb-03-07 at 19:06:23 PST

Jaywild
Is this an example of the Time on bottom cancels you guys were discusing the other day.
Also is there a reference work for errors on Postal cards
Notice the missing points on the one

Time-on-bottom

I saw a batch of these today from a few different cities,
only got a couple did not know if 4 bucks too much.
Also picked up something I thought you might like

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-03-07 at 17:48:49 PST

Hello blueff welcome to the board. A good starting place is the links provided in the BIG YELLOW BOX, posted on this board every day. scroll back and check it out.

next step would be to give us some idea of the stamps, countries?, dates? mint? used? etc. and maybe link to a scan of some of them (please post links, not actual pics here).

Linda

Posted by blueff102 ( 0 ) on Feb-03-07 at 17:33:35 PST

Looking for someone I can trust, to tell me what i have in stamps? can any one help.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Feb-03-07 at 17:13:18 PST

David Thank you

Posted by stamphick! ( 334

) on Feb-03-07 at 17:12:24 PST

stampoffers is getting to implement a completely new script and the site has been taken down. It will be back up soon, specific time unannounced. You will have to re-register on teh new site and everything will start over from scratch except your feedback (if you re-register with your old ID).

A temporary chat has been set up for further announcements and general chatting during the changeover. temporary chat.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Feb-03-07 at 17:05:51 PST

Anyone have a current link to stampoffers? They were making lots of changes and I cannot get my old link to come up.

Posted by dbenson ( 7808

)

on Feb-03-07 at 16:33:59 PST

Paul and also for your info it has not yet been decided if there will any dealers stalls in St. Petersburg, Russia in the upcoming exhibition as there has been a problem with Russian Customs & Taxation over import, export & sales,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7808

)

on Feb-03-07 at 16:31:22 PST

Paul, you completely lost me with your comment about judging and scanning and sales. Judging has nothing to do with the stamp trade and while we are on a run I checked the budget for Malaga and the major income was for the Post offices sales of surcharged souvenir sheets. The amount raised from dealers stands was minimal as there was very few and the rental charge was low,

David B.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Feb-03-07 at 16:19:57 PST

Jim O.K. on that point.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-03-07 at 16:19:20 PST

DAVID ------YOUR RIGHT ABOUT THE JUDGING .....the stamp trade doesn't like the scanning thing ,guess it hurts sales and the right of ownership can't be proven or is more diffecult .

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-03-07 at 16:15:04 PST

JIM ---Im having a good weekend ,so far i rolled over those CD's that I discussed with Jaywild back in June ,the ones at 5.80% ,to new ones at 5.40% for the next 7 months ,rates are going down.

Also tonight taking the wife to meet up with others that i work out with to watch the UFC fighting matchs on a 50" screen at a sports bar ,should be a good night of fights{ultimate fighting} .

Then tomorrow should be fun two good teams and two excellent coachs ,will be fun which ever way it goes ....paul

Posted by dbenson ( 7808

)

on Feb-03-07 at 16:14:14 PST

Paul, apology accepted for both your comments about the School Tax stamps & the London judging,

David B.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-03-07 at 16:03:27 PST

HEY MITCH ---What ever happen to that guy trying to sell that error ,I thought i said Dana was right when he posted his statement about the Salk stamp,can you check with him . Your thinking abilities have been slipping can you check with him ,im sure he will remember .

Posted by iomoon ( 1041

)

on Feb-03-07 at 16:01:04 PST

Can we please leave this discussion on schools and instruction with an apology from Paul.

We all know Chicago is going to be at the losing end of the superbowl tomorrow. :-) (actually, I really don't care who wins, as long as it's a good game).

Let's not make his weekend totally a misery.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Feb-03-07 at 16:00:36 PST

Paul You are so wrapped up within your own B.S. that you seem to forget that Richard D. and Dana still read this board. I'm sure they will support your comment if correct! LoL

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-03-07 at 15:55:55 PST

mitch----what can i say ,the only thing about the scans you show as your stamp collection is that over time the names of Dana and Richard Degillio have been removed off the title pages of each country collection .

Im also sad to report that the London 2010 show will not judge or have a large showing of ditigal collections as I originally posted here seems there is a big problem with reproduction abduction .This RA factor needs to be address more serious .Would it be ok if i use your websities as a sample in a report to the committee .....paul

Posted by dbenson ( 7808

)

on Feb-03-07 at 15:41:06 PST

Mitch, I think that Paul has just realised that there were 2 more issues after the so called JOINT issue but he never knew about them as they are not listed in his bible, Scott's. It was only after I mentioned them and he saw them listed in his newly acquired references which he got from the APS yesterday that he was up Sxxx Creek without a paddle and the only way out is to try to stifle the discussion.

He can rant and rave all he likes, call people all sorts of names but unless he can explain why they issued 2 more sets for School Revenues he has no option but to go give up.

At the moment he is on the count of 9 and asking the referee for a draw,

David B.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Feb-03-07 at 15:31:42 PST

Sorry to some but this bozo will not go away and I am not Godly enough to ignore the crap he puts on the board.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Feb-03-07 at 15:27:18 PST

D2 You said "no, Paul, it's not over til you admit you are wrong, no need trying to change the subject"

Curious, although I am not your lap dog, I was thinking about saying the same thing!
Of course it would be totally pointless.
You know as well as I (and most here), it is totally "beneath" him to apologize for bustin balls (which he lives for). Probably just a jealous Freudian thing.
He has only apologized once as far as I can recall and that was a couple months ago. His purpose is to raise as much grief as possible (as he has said), he does that well but in a mind nubbing fashion.
I always thought if he was to back down and apologize for anything it would be for this
He called the owner a liar for nearly two months but never apologized for his B.S. even when it came back as a printing error.
What a complete and utter joke.
The only thing I can console myself with (having to live with such a shmuck on this planet) is that I have more better/stamps.

Posted by dbenson ( 7808

)

on Feb-03-07 at 14:29:22 PST

member & Dunc,

here is the full text of the article on Mr. Darori about the fake disinfection handstamps,

G.B. : FAKED DISINFECTION CACHETS
by William A. King et al.

Marks purporting to be disinfection cachets have been created on early British ‘Free Frank’ fronts, offered on eBay. (There are parallel investigations into 20th century covers with “water damaged” marks and various ‘official’ seals : also U.S. ‘patriotic’ covers from 1861 with “Received in Wet Condition” marks.)

The doubtful items were offered using various eBay user ID’s. All led back to sellers Stephen and Netta Darori. At this time we have no proof that they were the actual producers, but their attitude when asked legitimate questions gives cause for concern.

The eBay ‘watchers’ : This report could not have been prepared without the very active assistance of eBay members throughout the world. Many are philatelists who are also members of Royal Philatelic Society London, American Philatelic Society, Scottish Postal History Society etc. We are particularly indebted to the A.P.S. for their help in advising eBay to act, based on their own findings. Our thanks particularly go to President Janet Klug, Frank Sente, Ephraim Day and Mercer Bristow And very special thanks to my colleagues in SPHS : Stephen Parkin, Rex Clark and Ian Cowan. Seeing six examples at the Dunblane meeting convinced us that all were fake.

Summary : It is great credit to the worldwide philatelic community that so many philatelists in so many countries, most of whom never met or even corresponded with the others before, contributed their knowledge, time and arguments for (and against!) these items. None of us know enough about the subject to be certain, but as the contributions came in and the arguments and evidence was collated, it became clear that there was indeed a problem, with genuine items being enhanced with spurious additional marks. The perpetrators knew that collectors all aspire to that ‘special’ item in our collections.. This is unlikely to be a final report, since these people will probably try again, but while they may disguise their names they are unlikely to be able to sell ‘DISINFECTED’ material on eBay.

Mmost of the ‘research’ was of a very elementary nature. These were such obviously bogus marks – AMONIA spelt with one ‘M’, SULFUR instead of the British ‘sulphur’ - that they should have deceived no-one. But as I wrote to our member, Dr. Graham Lowe, who sent me the research, “the sad thing is that more than thirty years after the foundation of a worldwide specialist society on this very topic, no-one concerned (other than Graham) thought fit to ask questions of the Disinfected Mail S.C.. My address and Email - our mailbox - are readily available, and any major postal history dealer or auctioneer in the U.K. would have put an enquirer in touch. We must ask why collectors generally are so restricted in their thinking, that they do not seek out obvious sources of information”

Graham kindly notified the great many collectors and societies who participated in this project of how they might subscribe to Pratique. We have not had a single response. Given the number of collectors gagging to acquire ‘rare disinfection markings’, is this not sad? Even now, they are presumably unaware that Great Britain NEVER used cachets or endorsements of disinfection, and that it is unlikely that domestic British mail was ever treated, let alone with sulphur or ammonia.

Posted by claghorn1p ( 409

)

on Feb-03-07 at 14:23:35 PST

Maarten cool triangles

Posted by dbenson ( 7805

)

on Feb-03-07 at 14:23:26 PST

no, Paul, it's not over til you admit you are wrong, no need trying to change the subject,

I repeat,

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE REASON FOR THE WORD INSTRUCCION on the 1904 & 1911 SCHOOL TAX STAMPS

You have also changed the meaning from Joint meaning joint running of the country by unknown foreign powers to your new description, Joint sale in Europe of the stamps, make up your mind,

David B.

Posted by wrd3 ( 99

) on Feb-03-07 at 14:01:21 PST

paperhistory and jim_lawler thank you for the feedback on the cancels on the 3 cent Washingtons. Jim - if I put them up I'll let you know. I haven't yet sold anything on eBay ... but I was pushed higher than I wanted to go on the lot, so I'm considering getting rid of stuff I don't want to minimize my costs.

Also in the lot were several items I don't recognize. Can anyone tell me what the following are? I assume they are Russian due to the writing.
Item 1: side 1, side 2
Item 2: side 1, side 2
Item 3: side 1, side 2
Item 4:side 1, side 2.

FWIW the "V" entries to date are here.

Bill D.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Feb-03-07 at 13:56:24 PST

Ken I don't think there could be much doubt that the person was wondering what the color of the overprint was on the 10c on 75c.

Thanks for the headsup but I didn't need any of those Venezuelan SCHOOL TAX STAMPS

I'm sorry I brought that subject up.....who woulda thought?

Posted by claghorn1p ( 409

)

on Feb-03-07 at 13:48:43 PST

IO Jim Seller says it has no Watermark so it must be a forgery. I wonder what you think? Queen looks a little sad.

Posted by claghorn1p ( 409

)

on Feb-03-07 at 13:42:04 PST

Maarten Triangles like THIS are impressive. TOo bad.

Posted by bjornmu ( 868

) on Feb-03-07 at 13:40:30 PST

And the Czech s don't belong, perhaps they should have been Montenegrins.

Posted by bjornmu ( 868

) on Feb-03-07 at 13:38:40 PST

Ken C, he wants to see whether the "1894" on the 75c stamp is 14 or 14 1/2 mm wide. He needed the 200c to compare, since that can only be 14mm. Unfortunately for you, the 75c appears to be 14 1/2 mm.

This from my 1993 Scott.

Posted by knuden ( 2198

)

on Feb-03-07 at 13:35:08 PST

jaywild - It's because the guy forgot to tell about the 12 Serbian and 8 Slovenian stamps. :O)

K.E

I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-03-07 at 13:27:52 PST

kchrist... Your guy can't add--12+6+6+6 = 30, not 50!!

Posted by kchrist499 ( 1093

)

on Feb-03-07 at 13:23:39 PST

Let me try that link again: Here!

Posted by kchrist499 ( 1093

)

on Feb-03-07 at 13:19:45 PST

David B & stamps12345 (Paul)

I never thought I'd see the day when you both agreed on something (the Croatian stamp)! The trouble is, I don't know what I'm going to do with them all.

There are 16 souvenir sheets, 12 blocks of 4, 1 block of 10 with the overprint and a bunch of singles and pairs. Reminds me of the Bob in WA story:

A guy goes to a stamp dealer and says "May I sell you 50 Croatian stamps?"

The clerk says, "What denomination?"

The guy says, "I've got 12 Yugoslavs, 6 Bosnians, 6 Czechs and 6 Herzegovinas."

On another peculiar note, I'm auctioning off a bunch of Guatemalia stamps. This morning I got an email request for enlargements of two of the stamps here which made me wonder why those two? He has bid on the lot, but I suspect he must see something in those two that I don't.

Any thoughts?

Ken C.

Posted by stamps54321 ( 6 )

on Feb-03-07 at 12:51:07 PST

stamps12345It's high time you ignored Sydney. He just needs to get the last dig in. Poor soul! Besides, the Gibbon's cataloges are just glorified sales brochures and nothing more and yet he thinks it's gospel!
Your friend,
Luap

Posted by duncan_doenitz ( 109

) on Feb-03-07 at 12:49:58 PST

Jeez. Jeopardy is a word - and the name of the game. Jeapordy is not.

-Dunc

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-03-07 at 12:49:14 PST

KEN ---That stamp also comes in a souvenir sheet Croatia s/s ....paul

Posted by rclwa ( 950

) on Feb-03-07 at 12:45:28 PST

A woman goes to her post office at Christmas time and says to the clerk, ''May I have 50 Christmas stamps?''

The clerk says, ''What denomination?''

The woman says, ''Heaven help us. Has it come to this? Give me 6 Catholic, 12 Presbyterian, 10 Lutheran and 22 Baptists.''

Bob in WA

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-03-07 at 12:37:51 PST

DAVID B. ----WE BEAT THE SUBJECT TO DEATH ....I think we should let it go

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-03-07 at 12:35:56 PST

DUNCAN ---That was a great car ,it was a "medical doctors car" .I would get stopped by the police every weekend ,looking like a young hippie and had to explain to the cops im not a drug dealer but a commodity broker .

Posted by duncan_doenitz ( 109

) on Feb-03-07 at 12:26:47 PST

Thanks for the Young Turks story, Paul! It seemed logical that there would be a connection between you and Milton Friedman, given your financial background.

Oh, and long as we are identifying Cinderellas today, is this a Chicago Local from those "good old days"?

Chicago

Oh, and new poster member9991241, it appears that everyone is being careful what they say in answer to your question - that is, they don't want to say anything bad about recent eBay auctions even if they are of fraudulent merchandise, because eBay frowns on what they call "auction interference". You can probably tell by the silence though that what they might tell you would not be good news. Many of the people who post here are quite active on eBay and don't want to put themselves in jeapordy.

A word of caution - it would be very simple for a seller to obtain rubber stamps and use them fraudulently on postal items to turn common two-bit stamps or covers into something that, if genuine, would be of considerably more value.

I'm just saying...

-Dunc

Posted by dbenson ( 7805

)

on Feb-03-07 at 12:25:32 PST

Paul,

still waiting for an answer on this,

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE REASON FOR THE WORD INSTRUCCION on the 1904 & 1911 SCHOOL TAX STAMPS

David B.

Posted by bjornmu ( 868

) on Feb-03-07 at 12:23:39 PST

Ken C., yes this was issued for a philatelic exhibition in Zagreb in 1943, both with and without red overprint. The overprinted stamp cats for 12 Euros in Michel.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-03-07 at 12:18:15 PST

KNUDEN Thanks for your help ,with that site was able to translate the Spanish from the Venezulea catalog.Here it is with translation. CATALOG with translation. .Thanks again it just shows with your help we can now say TRUTH GOES OUT THE WINDOW IN THIS CHAT ROOM if the Chile poster doesn't like the person .He should of said the catalogs he was looking at only had one sentence on the subject ,but who cares about the truth ......lol....paul

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Feb-03-07 at 11:42:18 PST

Bill C

Looks like the Ionian Isles have returned to Britain!!

Posted by knuden ( 2198

)

on Feb-03-07 at 11:33:47 PST

stamps12345 - I don't know anything about these overprinted stamps in mention but try to use this tool and see what it comes up with. :O)

K.E

I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Feb-03-07 at 11:32:36 PST

Seeing as I now have a lot more storage space, I put the SG color chart back up on my website.
I can also get a V is for Violet out of it (fifth row).

page 2

page 3

page 4

Posted by claghorn1p ( 409

)

on Feb-03-07 at 11:26:55 PST

IO Jim What about THIS

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1209

)

on Feb-03-07 at 11:13:42 PST

Bill D. (wrd3)
While I don’t recognize any of them off the top of my head there are some nice cancels there. Especially the second stamp in the first row and the 5th stamp on the 4th row
I hope I notice them when you list them. (Hint, hint)
Jim L.

Posted by dbenson ( 7805

)

on Feb-03-07 at 11:08:22 PST

kchrist, you will find it listed under Croatia 1943,

David B.

Posted by paperhistory ( 1971

)

on Feb-03-07 at 11:07:15 PST

wrd: The second stamp in the first row and the 5th stamp on the 4th row are pretty ornate for corks. They may be identifiable by town but I'm not sure. But certainly worth putting aside.

Posted by kchrist499 ( 1093

)

on Feb-03-07 at 11:06:05 PST

Greetings all;>/b>
What in the world (or out of it) do I have here?
I'm not sure that its even a stamp... perhaps a cinderella? I found a bunch of these in an old collection of Eastern European material.
Thanks for your past help.
Ken C.

Posted by dbenson ( 7805

)

on Feb-03-07 at 11:03:07 PST

claghorn, thanks, I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that all of the Escuelas & Instruccion stamps are Revenues originally issued to pay a tax to raise funds for schools but the whole philatelic population of the world, past & present(except 1) accepts that the term Escuelas translates to Schools & the word Instruccion translates to Instruction.

David B.

Posted by wrd3 ( 99

) on Feb-03-07 at 10:47:33 PST

This page of 3 cent Washington stamps was in a box lot of perfins I bought at a local auction. Before I put these stamps into my duplicates file I thought I'd ask if any of the cancels are recognizable and/or should be set aside for if/when I decide to start getting rid of duplicates on eBay.

Bill D.

Posted by dbenson ( 7805

)

on Feb-03-07 at 10:43:26 PST

dcderoo,

25 Pounds,

David B.

Posted by dcderoo ( 1648

) on Feb-03-07 at 10:36:10 PST

I need a recent SG catalogue value for Jamaica SB13.
My SG British Commonwealth catalogue is a 1994 which doesn't help much.

Posted by bjornmu ( 868

) on Feb-03-07 at 10:31:35 PST

lluehhb, CYE!

Posted by lluehhhb ( 238

) on Feb-03-07 at 10:29:36 PST

detail of inverted PM

Posted by lluehhhb ( 238

) on Feb-03-07 at 10:28:42 PST

Bjorn,

Some days ago I posted this big cover for you (< a href="http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~mobilino/chatboard/detail.jpg">detail of inverted PM) Since it's somewhat big I don't know if you want it or not. If you like it email me your address and I'll mail it to you.

Posted by claghorn1p ( 409

)

on Feb-03-07 at 10:28:37 PST

Welcome to the eBay Stamps Chat Board!

It would be greatly appreciated if chat board participants
provide LINKS to pictures
rather than posting them directly to this board.
Here's how to post a LINK. Thanks.

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You're new to stamp trading?
You've acquired a stamp collection you want to sell on eBay?
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Posted by claghorn1p ( 409

)

on Feb-03-07 at 10:28:13 PST

The escuellas and Instruccion were revenue stamps which were also "made available for postage by official decree" mostly for domestic use in the counry but some also for international mail

Posted by vinnysf ( 295

) on Feb-03-07 at 10:22:14 PST

cool thanks for the info iomoon and billsey...mucho appreciated!

Posted by dbenson ( 7805

)

on Feb-03-07 at 09:49:28 PST

Paul, I didn't query the comment about discounts and I am glad you got some info from the article that the APS sent you but you have not or refuse to answer a simple question.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE REASON FOR THE WORD INSTRUCCION on the 1904 & 1911 SCHOOL TAX STAMPS,

No good calling names, such as Catalog experts, Lapdogs, Bottom Feeders, Translators & Clowns and who is this retired carpet cleaner you are raving about now,

Your comments do not make sense & I suggest you should do a lot more research,

David B.

Posted by bjornmu ( 868

) on Feb-03-07 at 09:13:24 PST

Jaywild, thanks for the inverted PM alert but the seller doesn't take Paypal and may or may not ship to Norway so I'm not sure if I'll bother...

Posted by 22028 ( 1551

)

on Feb-03-07 at 09:02:53 PST

iomoon, thanks...

Posted by stamphick! ( 334

) on Feb-03-07 at 08:56:13 PST

pnc5....

e-Bay, Inc.
408-376-7400
Toll Free: 800-322-9266
And another one: 888-749-3229

Posted by keleofa ( 3360

)

on Feb-03-07 at 08:53:22 PST

Jim,

Right! Except the Prexies (the stamp set) were issued in 1938 so I had to come up with Ford and Bush on my own!

Matt in Arizona

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Feb-03-07 at 08:51:39 PST

Rainer

Members have until the end of february to express an opinion.
Application is then presented to the council for approval which I think meets on March 1st.

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-03-07 at 08:49:13 PST

As of 1998, Polk, Pierce, Grant, Hayes, Taft, Ford & Bush.

Posted by 22028 ( 1551

)

on Feb-03-07 at 08:44:20 PST

iomoon, thanks, the names are correct..., do know how long it takes until I am approved?

Posted by billsey ( 840

) on Feb-03-07 at 08:42:03 PST

Vinny, The left stamp on the top row is Turkey, from the late 1890s. You can see a better scan of one here. The left stamp on the second row is also Turkey, from 1913. Here's a better scan. The one at the far right of that row is Yugoslavia, specifically Slovenia newspaper issues of 1919. Here's a couple of examples. Finally, the one just to the left of that gray one is also Yugoslavia, again Slovenia, 1920 regular issues. This is what mine looks like.

The rest are just too small for me to make out, though I think I agree on the Bosnia ID on that gray one next to the Turkey 1913 and the Manchuko issues at the bottom.

Posted by keleofa ( 3360

)

on Feb-03-07 at 08:39:00 PST

Jim,

Prexies

I was at an APS Show in Cleveland (1998?) and was flying from Cleveland to LA when flying was still enjoyable. The pilot had a contest - there were 7 US Presidents with a one syllable last name - name them and win a nice bottle of wine. Well, I had bought Prexies at the Show and was reading it on the plane. Took me about 30 seconds to win the bottle of wine!

The book is an excellent reference and enjoyable reading. Each denomination has its own chapter. 343 pages of non-stop Prexie thrills.

Matt in Arizona

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Feb-03-07 at 08:38:34 PST

Rainer

It is in the Jan/Feb issue of London Phil with Harald as proposer and Michael as seconder.

Posted by 22028 ( 1551

)

on Feb-03-07 at 08:34:15 PST

iomoon, where have you seen it? It took almost 3 month to arrive!!!!

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-03-07 at 08:32:13 PST

Matt in AZ… Wow, thanks. So Rustad’s book is the one to get? I’ve seen one on eBay written by someone named Helbock, specifically for the prexies.

Jim

Posted by keleofa ( 3360

)

on Feb-03-07 at 08:27:29 PST

Jim,

$1.00 Prexie Solo Use - Yes

Airmail to Philippines prior to WWII 50c per 1/2 oz, after Nov 1 1946 there existed airmail rates of 25c per ounce. In Rustad's book he also calculated a domestic rate of 3c 1st class+20c minimum registry+77c surcharge for $7,000 excess value based on 11c per $1000.

Matt in Arizona

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Feb-03-07 at 08:19:17 PST

V is for Victoria Cross.

Rainer

I saw your application arrived at the Royal.

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-03-07 at 08:06:34 PST

This guy needs to read a history book…

Jim

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Feb-03-07 at 07:54:21 PST

Good day all.

From a warming west Texas.

Vinny

The yellow one on the bottom line is also Manchukuo.
The baby stamp is Yugoslavia.

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-03-07 at 07:52:04 PST

NOIP… Are there any legitimate solo uses of the dollar value prexies? I don’t recall seeing any, nor have I come across them in searches on eBay. Seems to me they’d be pretty scarce.

Do “solo use” prexie cover collectors include the $1, $2 and $5 covers in their collections, or do they pretty much stop at the 50¢?

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-03-07 at 07:47:24 PST

Bjorn… Upside-down “PM” and cheap!

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-03-07 at 06:43:54 PST

Bob in WA… Nude alert!! Not an issued postage stamp, but a stamp nonetheless.

Jim

Posted by 85719 ( 2 ) on Feb-03-07 at 06:41:10 PST

IM = I’m
a enjoyment = an enjoyment
a asphalt = an asphalt
DEFINCICION = ?
a explantion = an explanation
a aim = an aim
docuement = document
useage = usage
were = where
describtion = description
I gotten = I got

etc. etc. etc.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-03-07 at 06:10:02 PST

IM really enjoying myself here with the CATALOG QUEENS ,bottom feeders and lap dogs and a few clowns ....time to give it a break ,sorry for the disruption to all those other posters who take the hobby as a enjoyment ....paul

Posted by pnc5 ( 1350

) on Feb-03-07 at 06:05:08 PST

Good morning. Does anyone have a direct telephone number to contact eBay?

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-03-07 at 06:03:45 PST

I like this board and its posters ----the only problem is we got too many catalog experts here ----lookey in catalog and be a expert .

Now if you want research and not be called a liar you have to be able to show proof like this PROOF --we got catalog Queens here .....like that CATALOG QUEENS ....paul

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-03-07 at 05:47:49 PST

MY MY we got a retired carpet cleaner fighting with a asphalt contractor .

First someone needs to research INSTRUCCION on google and they will find a site DEFINCICION.ORG .They have a explantion or definition of INSTRUCCION into English it says----Action and effect to instruct.Extreme of acquired knowledge.Joint rulesor advice for a aim .

There is a failure by some to go past what the catalog states. Research has shown those stamps were printed with the intent to be a means of collecting a docuement tax .They had little useage for that purpose and even less as postage stamps .They were used to pay postal people salary at a greatly reduce level than face . The only place those employee could unload those revenue stamps was to sell to the foreign trading house who ship them off to Europe were they picked up the translation of joint rule .How that was done maybe by a carpet cleaning/philatelist translator who didn't know the story back in Venezuela .

I suspect the describtion i gotten and wrote in my album many years ago came from a describtion someone put on a glassine by a stamp dealer .

Posted by dbenson ( 7805

)

on Feb-03-07 at 05:11:41 PST

Jay, your absolutely right, enough about the Venezuela, it should be finished but someone who has just received some literature on the subject but cannot comprehend what it says won't concede that he is incorrect in his statements.

It is easy to prove the facts as there were two more joint issues in 1904 & 1911 with sets being issued with both inscriptions, one with CORREOS which was of course were the postage stamps and the other sets with the inscription INSTRUCCION which was for the school tax on documents but were allowed to be used for postage.

That should end the discussion unless another piece of fiction can be made up to explain those issues, I gave the story about Nazi Germany having a clearing house for mail in Gibraltar during WWII more credence than a joint issue with a trading house in Europe the reason for the inscription,

David B.

Posted by horadam1 ( 433

)

on Feb-03-07 at 04:40:43 PST

Roger, believe me, no offense was taken by me. I actually sat for a few minutes debating whether or not I should correct it after posting, then decided that no one on this board would detect it, and felt safe. As I said, I should have known. {:0)

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1209

)

on Feb-03-07 at 04:32:43 PST

Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all

In keeping with the "V" theme here’s some Valentine’s Day theme cancels from the Kokomo Club Cards.

card 12-2.

card 20-2.

card 22-2.

card 23-2.

Jim L.

Posted by vinnysf ( 295

) on Feb-03-07 at 03:58:42 PST

omg, i'm sorry. that was supposed to be bigger and now its smaller than the first one..uggghh!

Posted by vinnysf ( 295

) on Feb-03-07 at 03:58:00 PST

this might be a better scan

Posted by bjornmu ( 868

) on Feb-03-07 at 01:22:21 PST

vinnysf, your scan is rather small but I think the green stamp on the bottom line in Manchukuo 1937, and the grey stamp on line 2 would be Bosnia and Herzegovina 1900.

Posted by rclwa ( 950

) on Feb-03-07 at 01:06:05 PST

I love this alphabet project, and am sorry I haven't had much to contribute of late. I have a lot of interesting items for each letter, I think, but just can't lay my hands on anything in a short time, and keep finally locating things too late. I know, I should think ahead and work on future letters, but procrastination prevails, alas.

Anyway, I can squeak in a somewhat contrived V using this item that arrived in the mail today, along with some other eBay lots: V is for VERMONT, from which this cover was mailed. It was looking for a bidder and I thought it rather interesting, regarding rates. It seems to me a rather late date when ANYTHING could still be mailed for a penny. I believe postcards had increased from 1¢ to 2¢ in 1952. The envelope is unsealed with the flap pasted tucked in. I know there was a special unsealed rate, but I thought it was 2¢ instead of 3¢. Can this be a legitimate solo use of a 1¢ Prexie to carry a small envelope coast to coast under some obscure rate, or is it more likely just a favor cancel concoction? If anyone can enlighten me, please do.

OK, V is also for VENUS!

Bob in WA

Posted by 22028 ( 1551

)

on Feb-02-07 at 23:50:53 PST

vinnysf, the miniature sheet is from Albania...

Posted by vinnysf ( 295

) on Feb-02-07 at 23:34:35 PST

mini - i have lots up for sale at the moment..but my personal collection is always in the works. i do have a few stamps that i am having trouble identifying. here they are. i will post a few more of my favorites from my collection as i get them scanned in a few.

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-02-07 at 22:47:44 PST

The School Tax stamps Dead Horse goes on and on. It will continue to be beaten until the last molecule has wafted into the stratosphere…

Jim

Posted by malolo ( 836

)

on Feb-02-07 at 22:16:43 PST

Vic -
All I can say is this. I hope everyone who reads this Board is intelligent enough to catch the errors and then decides whether to make a point, or not. I'm not picking on Bill at all, because often a typo or misthought leads to miscommunication as evidenced during recent days. Actually, I thought Vic was just messing with us. LOL

Roger
NOIP - Please do not read anything into this post other than as a positive comment on the intelligence of stamp collectors. Is it really as low as 50? Maybe that is a good number to start the new weekly topic as a memorial to past philatelists.

Posted by horadam1 ( 433

)

on Feb-02-07 at 21:17:18 PST

(Scene with me kicking myself over and over again....)

Bill, as soon as I reread my post I noticed the error, and just hoped no one would see it. Duh! That was stupid. I should have known better.

Yes, you are correct. I meant to say, "If no one is interested or if someone is offended by this..." Thanks for noticing. I should have known better....actually I thought it was going to be the professor who corrected me instead....

Posted by figmente ( 876

) on Feb-02-07 at 21:01:22 PST

Edging on someone else's topic

V: Volcanic Vents

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 20:35:35 PST

PETER ---The purpose for the printing and issueing the stamp was education but a small amount was used for purpose intented and even a smaller amount was used as postage .The vast amount was made to be sold off and thats why there are tons of these stamps around for the stamp trade

Posted by wrd3 ( 99

) on Feb-02-07 at 20:31:32 PST

horadam1 ..... not to pick on grammar, but I got a kick out of your post earlier. "If no one is interested or offended by this, then my apologies". So you are apologizing if no one is offended by the post. Given the nature of the board the past week or so your post brought a smile to my face.

lluehhhb thank you for researching and posting the information, and thank you for the info on which catalog to look for. I'll search for the catalog locally. If I'm unable to find a copy I may well contact you to see about getting a copy.

Bill D.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 20:30:41 PST

are we still friends ,now that everybody is right

Posted by peterc8888 ( 296

) on Feb-02-07 at 20:27:59 PST

Paul

You're right that the 1st link shows the stamps. But the 2nd link seems to be some kind of information related to what you and others have been discussing.

PC

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 20:20:26 PST

LLUEHHB-----Sorry to hear its your last posting .I was hopeing you would confirm that the "Instruccion " were in fact printed for Education as David B. said earlier .BUT and i mean a big BUT ,that in fact most if not 99% were issued to Venezula postal employee ,they were paid {salaries }with these stamps at a huge discount to face and it was the foriegn trading house that purchase these to ship to collectors in Europe were the translation was detemined that it means "joint issue "because it was the trading house that had the stamps .I was hopeing we could discuss the two kinds of new stamps were created by a Presidental decree of April 14,1882.Those bearing the inscription "Escuelas" were to prepay postage on inland correspondence as well as to collect part of the internal revenue,while those inscribed"Correos De Venezuela" had to be usedexclusively for mail going abroad.The next issue decreed on November 28,1892 by thethen Dictator ,General Joaquin Crespo,likewise consisted of two differentkinda with the same purpose as stated above;mercly the inscriptionon the revenue and inland postage stampswas changed from "Escuelas"{schools} to "Instruccion"[education}. It wason March 28 1895 that General Crespo who meanwhile had assumed the presidence ,reduced the "Escuelas" and "INSTRUCCION" to their original purpose abolishing definitively their postage character to take effect on July 1 1895 .

ALL THIS INFORMATION WAS NOT FROM A CATALOG EXPERT gee what i put up with here ,somtimes it makes me wonder .....paul

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Feb-02-07 at 20:15:49 PST

Thanks for being so obvious! You leave me no reason to even comment.

etal, stamps54321 is not Paul. If you who think he is would have been paying attention you would know this to be true. My guess is another poster who's ID starts Pr......

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-02-07 at 20:01:44 PST

member, welcome to the board. Check back every few hours to see if you have a reply. Some members here only check in once a day, so pls be patient. You will need to read the messages here, or maybe someone will answer you by email thru your ebay account.

Posted by member9991241 ( 388

) on Feb-02-07 at 19:53:47 PST

I am a first time chatter. I am wondering if dbenson or anyone else can tell me info about Mr. and Mrs. Darori .

tHANK YOU
PS
IF YOU REPLY PLEASE TELL ME HOW i RETRIEVE YOUR REPLY i NEVER DID IT B4 AND DONT KNOW HOW

Posted by lluehhhb ( 238

) on Feb-02-07 at 19:53:29 PST

Paul,

Yes, the page 408 is for the "instruccion" stamps, and yes, as I said I'm assuming what they are. The explanation of the usage of the "escuelas" is from the other book.

My last post on the subject.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-02-07 at 19:11:39 PST

groan

can anyone say dog and bone in one sentence?

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-02-07 at 19:09:51 PST

JayJim, its supposed to be Anne keeping everyone in line you know, but I havent seen her for a week or so here, so I stepped in an played Mother even if I am younger than some of the squabblers!

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 19:06:27 PST

PETERC 888 The link doesn't explan the stamps ,it only shows pictures .

ILUEHHHB First i need what page number your looking at ?Page 405 doesn't have a explantion on it ,thats the first page of the INSTRUCCION stamps on it,so your assuming what they mean ,correct ?

YOU ALSO GOT YOUR CATALOGS WRONG ----the publisher ,Aurelio Blanco Quintanilla ,is the successor to Valera who published a Venezuela catalog in previous years,in comparing the listings,they are exactly the same-same notes,same illustrations of stamps .

So now we have a issue .The spanish catalogs don't tell the whole story ,so I will post later what the story of those issues are.Need to eat and do a few things first .

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-02-07 at 19:00:37 PST

stamphick… stamps54321’s name is Luap, as he has stated more than once, not Paul. This suggests somewhat of a light-hearted approach to reality in his posts. It was in that same vein that I responded to him that most psychologists are not MDs, which is true. The smiley face also was meant to convey a sense of humor.

Don’t make me start calling you stampchick…

(That means the previous was a joke.)

And yes, many thanks to Milenko for the final word on the escuela/instruccion stamps. You too Lindy, for trying to keep everyone in line.

Jim

Posted by breffington ( 346

) on Feb-02-07 at 18:44:22 PST

Talking about South American stamps does anyone have information on a tax stamp issued to tax menstruating prostitutes? This is not a joke. Such a stamp exists, was part of an exbibit at a sstamp show in Poland and was reported on in Linn's about 15 years ago.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-02-07 at 18:32:50 PST

thats good Vinny, but how about a few stamps or covers from your colletion too?? we love to see things other people own. Really we do!

Posted by vinnysf ( 295

) on Feb-02-07 at 18:27:16 PST

i know...i was just offering up a little comedy on my behalf :)

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-02-07 at 18:10:35 PST

ummm yeah, nice VINNY but the idea is to post a LINK to an item with that letter, not just the word!

see here is one of mine for V
V is for Vertical Duplex Putney was allocated vertical duplex 32 in oval of bars, the format being 2 bars at top and bottom, 4 each side, in use from 1879-1893. This 1881 cover to Berlin shows 2 strikes of the Vertical Duplex datestamp

Linda

Posted by vinnysf ( 294

) on Feb-02-07 at 17:45:52 PST

or V is for transVaal

Posted by vinnysf ( 294

) on Feb-02-07 at 17:45:11 PST

"V" is for vinny!! :)

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Feb-02-07 at 15:30:09 PST

No "V's" at the moment, but how about some more wing margins.

Here is a folded letter from London.

It is addressed to H.D.Schmidt Esq., Pernau, Russia.
On the front is a 4d wing-margin, vermilion with letters FG and a lilac plate 5 wing-margin 6d with letters TI.
Both stamps are cancelled with the London Inland Board 46 doublet.
It also has a PD for paid to destination.
An Aus England per Aachen transit.
And a Wfr 3 weiterfranco (paid beyond) for 3 silbergrochen.

On the back are handstamps for the sending company which was Armistead & Co at 21 Old Broad (no comments, please).
A London lozenge for December 11th 1865.
Backstamps for Riga, Latvia and Parnu, Estonia (Pernoye in Russian) dated December 5th.
As most of you know, Russia did not adopt modern calendar till 1917 so receiving date would have been December 18th British time.

Posted by slugovonpoohbah ( 0 ) on Feb-02-07 at 15:19:26 PST

Horadam - you probably prefer this punch line:
"What is your IQ? "This time the man drawled out " Uh..... bout 50". The robot clicked then leaned close and very slowly asked, "A-r-e..... y-o-u-r.... p-e-o-p-l-e..........
g-o-i-n-g...........t-o........ n-o-m-i-n-a-t-e..........
H-i-l-l-a-r-y-?????"

Posted by peterc8888 ( 296

) on Feb-02-07 at 15:11:59 PST

Another link:

Venezuela Escuelas and Instruccion stamps

PC

Posted by peterc8888 ( 296

) on Feb-02-07 at 15:05:25 PST

Not sure anyone interested in this link (no images anymore!):

VENEZUELA Escuelas and Instruccion stamps

PC

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-02-07 at 14:48:56 PST

THANK YOU MILENKO

NOW I Sincerely hope that is the end of the 'discussion' and the he said/ I said / you said postings for a while...

Any more V is for...?

Linda

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 14:46:27 PST

lluehhb,

thanks,

that should end the discussion,

David B.

Posted by lluehhhb ( 238

) on Feb-02-07 at 14:41:49 PST

Venezuela flame war:

I went today to the library of our local society and spent two nice hours reading about the escuelas stamps.

Specifically, I read "Estampillas clásicas de Venezuela" (Classic stamps from Venezuela) by Santiago Hernández (1967) and the specialized Venezuela catalogs "Varela" (a 70's edition) and "Aurelio Blanco" (1992). All edited in Venezuela.

What they say is that the escuelas issues are stamps to pay a tax created to fund free basic scolarship for everyone. This tax was applied to business transactions and had nothing to do with the postal system.

Due to several reasons they were authorised to pay postage. The last valid postal usage was in 1895, but due to "tradition" they continued to pay postage: the last catalogued series is from 1914.

Now, to the point in discussion:
It's clear the usage of the stamps inscribed "escuelas". Now, there isn't a explicit reference of the usage of the stamps inscribed "instruccion", but for me it's clear that they're for the same purpose:

1) The Blanco catalog shows the last "escuelas" stamp in 1888 and the first "instruccion" stamp in 1893. These two types didn't ciculate toghether, one is the continuation of the other.
The catalog is detailed enough that I think they would have indicated if there were a change in the stamps purpose.

2) From a language point of view, "escuelas" is "shools", and "instrucción" means "education" or "order"-"instruction". If the stamps were a tax for the second meaning, I think the choice of the word is somewhat unclear. Given the context I't take "education".

Now Paul, on Feb-02-07 at 12:40:19 PST, you posted:
but i didn't get help from anyone who knew Spanish already .....why would they help now ---only if im wrong would they comment

I don't know if you had me in mind, but since I think I'm the only regular here that has spanish as mother language, I waited to read the books before making comments in a matter I'm not expert but have some knowledge. Besides I posted the Yvert pages earlier. So don't say we're not helping.

Finally for Bill D., I borrowed the best catalog available in the library (Aurelio Blanco 1992), it's about 500 pages in spanish. I'll photocopy it for me, so if you don't find a better one I could copy and mail it to you.

Posted by horadam1 ( 433

)

on Feb-02-07 at 14:35:30 PST

slugovonpoohbah: T-h-a-t......n-o-t.......f-u-n-n-y...... M-e....t-a-l-k.....w-i-t....c-h-i-n-g-i-s-k-a-n....

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 14:16:15 PST

Paul, these are your comments,

As i said earlier is the translation of INSTRUCCION is that a school tax as you claim or is it joint rules as i claim ....paul

Please explain what JOINT RULES is, sounds to me to be fairly clear,

David B.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 14:01:41 PST

DAVID B. ---stop dancing around ,i said in my posting it involued a custom house of somekind ,your talking about occupied country . stop it

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 13:56:10 PST

Paul, you want to expand on these comments of yours,

I don't think a catalog from "Imperial"Europe will explain those issues correctly since they were at odds over the control of Venezuela at the time

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 13:54:47 PST

Paul, I know that here was no European powers occupation of Venezuela, you were the one that mentioned it,

David B.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 13:50:20 PST

European powers never occupied Venezuela . There was issues over somekind of custom house .please get the story right, the way it was posted .

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 13:45:49 PST

SLUGO----Thats a good one

Here is one you wouldn't believe

There was a young man who was working in the mailroom of a brokerage firm in 1969 .He was good, knew the mail rates and cost for different overseas mail and knew all the types and restrictions on mail .He finish his job early each day .So the boss brought him out in the office to work .

One day a report came out that the U.S.wheat crop was sick.All a sudden everybody was yelling and making outrageous claims about were the crop prices were going .It was a mad house by all the branch offices on the company open phone line.

Then the mail clerk got on the squarkbox /company line and said hold on .The wheat crops in Argentina and Australia and South Africa are not planted yet and this will keep prices down since they have opposite seasons to us .There was a silence on the line and people started to realize and say that they had a international expert in the company .The first remark was how did he know that .

That was easy all those countries issued cheap stamps showing the crops ,he was a S-T-A-M-P C-O-L-L-E-C-T-O-R.

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 13:25:37 PST

To try to clarify matters regarding,

there are two opposing points of view what the ESCUALAS & INSTRUCCION issues were.

This is Pauls comments,

" As i said earlier is the translation of INSTRUCCION is that a school tax as you claim or is it joint rules as i claim ....paul "

My opinion is that they are stamps that were produced as a receipt for taxes to raise money for schools and are not postage stamps but were allowed to be used as postage stamps if postage stamps were not available.

Paul's claim is that the INSTRUCCION were not School Tax stamps but an issue under joint rule when Venezuela was occupied by European powers,

David B.

Posted by wrd3 ( 99

) on Feb-02-07 at 13:25:05 PST

stamps12345 when you receive the pages could you please either post a link of them to the board or email them to me? I'm very interested in what they have to say. I should be able to muddle along with a translation, and I work with several people fluent in Spanish who would be able to translate. The few web sites I've found with information on these stamps, both in Spanish and English, have consistent information as already posted by dbenson.

NOIP repeating a question I asked earlier, does anyone know of a good Venezuelan catalog? English would be preferrable, but French or Spanish would be OK as well.

Bill D.

Posted by slugovonpoohbah ( 0 ) on Feb-02-07 at 13:21:18 PST

A man walked into a very high-tech bar. As he sat down on a stool he noticed that the bartender was a robot.
The robot clicked to attention and asked, "Sir, what will you have?" The man thought a moment then replied, "A martini please." The robot clicked a couple of times and mixed the best martini the man had ever had.

The robot then asked, "Sir, what is your IQ?" The man answered "Oh, about 164." The robot then proceeded to discuss the theory of relativity, inter-stellar space travel, the latest medical break through, etc.......
The man was most impressed. He left the bar but thought he would try a different tact. He returned and took a seat.

Again the robot clicked and asked what he would have? "A Martini please." Again it was superb! The robot again asked "What is your IQ sir?" This time the man answered, "Oh about 100". So the robot started discussing NASCAR racing, the latest basketball scores, and what to expect the Dodgers to do this week end.

The guy had to try it one more time. So he left, returned and took a stool.... Again a martini, and the question, "What is your IQ?" This time the man drawled out " Uh..... bout 50". The robot clicked then leaned close and very slowly asked, "A-r-e... y-o-u .. a ... s-t-a-m-p ... c-o-l-l-e-c-t-o-r-?"

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 13:17:34 PST

SOGGY333------Here is how to do it .......go to ADVANCE SEARCH on the upper part of this page . The go to the side bar and hit FIND A MEMBER,put in the name you want {soggy333} and up pops CT.UNITED STATES member 8 years 6 months .

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 13:02:30 PST

Paul, you have already mentioned that your Spanish is limited, it may help if the comments were translated correctly,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 12:54:00 PST

soggy, because of the shortages of stamps available the Escualas & Instruccion School Tax stamps were allowed to be used for postage, they are in effect exactly the same as Postal Fiscals, if mint then treated as postage stamps, if used then postal,

They are mainly very common stamps and most are worth only a few cents each if you are lucky enough to find a buyer even at that price.

David B.

Posted by soggy333 ( 54

) on Feb-02-07 at 12:44:16 PST

I always wondered why millions of thos escuelas and instruccion stamps from Venezuela are here. If they were revenues, were they brought over by boatloads? If postal use, then it would explain the large quantities available a little better.

Paul You need to kill off Luap.His cover was blown ages ago,and he never buys a damn thing either. How can you say it isn't you? Is it David? Your Alfred E Neuman picture is in the same mellowits directory on geocities as the picture Luap posted of David. That was funny though I have to admit. Im curious to know how you know Luap registered in New Jersey. It was not obvious to me,but then I do not know all of the features of ebay.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 12:40:19 PST

sure --- but i didn't get help from anyone who knew Spanish already .....why would they help now ---only if im wrong would they comment

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 12:36:58 PST

Paul, looking forward to seeing what the Spanish catalogues have to say. When you get the fax could you link it to the board,

David B.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 12:32:01 PST

DAVID B. -----I just got off the phone with the APS Libary and they are going to fax me pages from the Spanish catalog and what ever else she can find about "INSTRUCCION" in Venezuela ,i gave her a limit on my credit card and she said it was more than enough to get the info. ...paul

Peter ---no harm done

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 12:28:27 PST

Paul, I also think you had better do some history investigation. At the time when the Escuelas were issued there was no odds over control of Venezuela, it was a self governing republic and the only time that any European power was involved was in 1902 when British, German & Italian warships blockaded Venezuelan ports to ensure that the country's external debts were paid after the Civil War in 1899 when the dictator seized control of the treasury & used the funds as his personal property,

David B.

Posted by greenwave4u ( 71

) on Feb-02-07 at 12:26:29 PST

Paul Apologies from a humble clown if I have wronged you:-)

Peter I agree with Alec and D2 it probably is "unused", typical cancels from this era

would be these. Current SG is

actually £1400, they are difficult stamps to find.

cheers

Peter

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 12:20:53 PST

Paul, most colelctors in South America use Yvert, would you accept their description,

Davcid B.

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Feb-02-07 at 12:14:30 PST

I'll happily be the recipient of any OI wing margins. (mint or used)

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 12:13:42 PST

DAVID B. ------Im sort of a third world socialist, I would like to see a Spanish writting piece to explain those stamps .I don't think a catalog from "Imperial"Europe will explain those issues correctly since they were at odds over the control of Venezuela at the time.Let me put a request in to the APS libary for a photo copy of those pages from a South American catalog .

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 12:06:26 PST

Alec, Wing margin stamps are beginning more collectable and there are many collectors who are only collecting them especially if from one of the plates that was rearranged and has corner letters with & without wing margins. They still sell for less than normal examples but the price variance is not that much now. In the past it may have been only about 20% but now would be closer to 75%.

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 12:03:18 PST

Paul, will you accept Michel's or Yvert's comments,

David B.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 11:55:11 PST

TO ALL YOU NEW READERS We go thru this about once a year ,were some third party poster comes on here and incites the group and the same group of clowns and posters think they are too smart to be fooled and thinks it me .....paul

Posted by peterc8888 ( 296

) on Feb-02-07 at 11:54:59 PST

David, Alec

I have just translated the description listed for the GB stamp and the stamp is identified as used by the seller. Well, since the seller is not from UK, I'm not sure whether he has the expertize in GB stamps. May be I should ask him to email me the back scan?

PC

Posted by infla-alec ( 506

)

on Feb-02-07 at 11:49:28 PST

PeterC I'd hate to try and place a value on something I don't know a great deal about. To some that stamp may be perfectly ok as a gap filler and others would reject it out of hand. I know other ZGB collectors who simply won't have wing margin examples in their colection. Bottom line is if you would feel happy trying to get it for your max $ price then go for it. The chances of getting a good copy cheap in mint condition are remote. I believe virtually all QV stamps mint are very difficult to find especially if unmounted.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 11:46:55 PST

DAVID ----Lets start from the beginning ,something i picked up many years ago is what i posted here and said so. ---DID YOU GET THAT -----truth or not i would like to see a specialized catalog or a written piece about the subject -----DID YOU GET THAT -----That means i want to get more information is it right or wrong . ---DID YOU GET THAT ....not that Paul's wrong or Paul say he's right----GET IT THRU YOUR HEAD I WANT MORE INFORMATION. ......GEE WHAT I PUT UP WITH HERE CAN DRIVE A COLLECTOR AWAY FROM THE HOBBBY ........OOOPS many have already left {bad example}

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 11:39:17 PST

Peter, if it has gum it should realise between $100-150, if no gum then around the $50-75 although better GB is very popular on Ebay at the moment with many UK collectors chasing spacefillers as there are a lot of newer collectors who do not worry about condition as much as the oldtimers,

David B.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 11:38:07 PST

PETER / GREENWAVE4U----Can you explain that better ,you lost me on what your trying to say ,be more specfic ....paul

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 11:37:03 PST

Paul, yoiu have refused to acknowledge the comments in Gibbons & Rossiter and other references. Your only reasoning is the comments that you noted years ago which is wrong. As Scott's ignores them why don't you look up other catalogues and see why they say, eventually you will have to renege and say you were wrong but how many references to the facts do you need. I haven't got Michel or Yvert listings for Venezuela but would be interested to read them if anyone here has them,

David B.

Posted by peterc8888 ( 296

) on Feb-02-07 at 11:36:06 PST

Alec

Thanks for the Karl-Heinz thing.

If that GB stamp is not cancelled and is in poor condition, how much is it worth? I wonder whether I should get it for something like US$30 to US$50.

PC

Posted by infla-alec ( 506

)

on Feb-02-07 at 11:25:24 PST

PeterC I agree with David that stamp is not cancelled. Victorian era stamps are usually very heavily postmarked. That stamp I feel is in poor condition and in my opinion not worth anything like what SG state it to be worth., ie £1250 as a mint copy.
On the other matter I am helping you with you'll be pleased to know Karl-Heinz has confirmed he has my e-mail and everything is ok.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 11:21:38 PST

DAVID BENSON You know me better than that ,first the note about the Venezuela stamps came from something i didn't write ,it was written somewhere and i copy it in to my collection and I said that to you already ----GROW-UP and read what i posted not what you want it to say ...

Second to all you CLOWNS When i post here i put my name on it ......if you did a e-bay search on the poster STAMPS 54321 you would see he is registered in New Jersey not Illinois ...please get it right ,that not me ....paul

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 11:11:38 PST

Paul54321,

whats up with you, I have never made any posts I am not 100% sure about and all I was trying to prove regarding Paul's refusal to acknowledge common knowledge regarding the Venezuelan School Tax stamps which of course is a waste of time as he will never admit he has ever made a mistake,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 11:09:06 PST

peter, more likely a stain, when they were used, they were always heavily cancelled with a duplex killer or a SON cds. to make 100% sure they could never be recycled,

David B.

Posted by peterc8888 ( 296

) on Feb-02-07 at 10:59:17 PST

David

I don't have this stamp. But it looks to me that it has a cancellation mark on the upper left.

PC

Posted by dbenson ( 7804

)

on Feb-02-07 at 10:40:34 PST

Peter, it is sg. 125, does the stamp have any gum as it is a very rare stamp unused, either with gum or even without gum. Even with the wing margin & the apparent faults it is still a desirable stamp,

David B.

Posted by stamphick! ( 334

) on Feb-02-07 at 10:17:30 PST

jaywild...That's all well and good and even true, but there is nothing to prevent someone from being both a psychologist and an MD. Being the trusting sort, I'll take Paul's word for it.

Posted by 22028 ( 1551

)

on Feb-02-07 at 10:07:32 PST

stamps54321, I assume, MD stands for MasterDumb

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-02-07 at 09:57:59 PST

stamps54321… Not to stir the pot, but a psychologist is generally not an MD. That’s a psychiatrist, which requires an MD degree as well as one in psychiatry. A psychologist is a very different animal. And your earlier posts, signed “Luap”, identified you as a paving contractor. Do you have an office somewhere with a big sign out front that reads

DOCTOR/SHRINK/ASPHALT PAVING
While-U-Wait

No offense, just wondering…

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-02-07 at 09:51:05 PST

Bjorn… Nice 1907 “leap year” cancel! The seller didn’t even realize 1907 was a non-leap year. Congratulations.

Lindy… Mooooooooo to you too, girl!

Jim

Posted by stamps54321 ( 6 )

on Feb-02-07 at 09:50:57 PST

22028 Get real! You are obviously in some sort of denial here for the kindergarden posts judge has recently submitted would make anyone seem like a fool. BTW, I AM a psychologist MD. Need any meds?

Posted by greenwave4u ( 71

) on Feb-02-07 at 08:56:46 PST

Peter The wing margins are common see here:-

http://imagesoftheworld.org/stamps/sheet-3d-table.htm

As to the colour it does have a tinge of brown on my monitor, but...

Peter

Posted by soggy333 ( 54

) on Feb-02-07 at 08:44:11 PST

Paul
Thos Moroccan locals were a lucky find. They are (mostly) legitimate local posts and are listed, just not in Scott. Get ahold of one of those old Billig handbooks, #17 I think, or borrow it from APS via mail and copy it. They are terrific stamps to collect and many are rare enough to keep you on them all your life.

Posted by peterc8888 ( 296

) on Feb-02-07 at 08:42:44 PST

Jim(iomoon)

I compare the color of the GB stamp with the current ebay listings. That color seems to be the SG125 grey. Is the wing margin (plate #?) copy less common? I see most of the ebay listings are the one from plate 12.

PC

Posted by greenwave4u ( 71

) on Feb-02-07 at 08:10:32 PST

Paul I try hard not get involved in the various slanging matches on this board that seem to take place daily, and not always you involved I know, but each of this type of posting (the one's to a picture) is a complete waste of time and causes possibly another good post to roll of the board. By all means slag each other off if that's what turns you on but do it via email or after you have done it on this board why not report your own post after an hour and get it deleted?
Only trying to retain sanity:-) Thats a friendly well meaning smile BTW.
Peter

Posted by dcderoo ( 1648

) on Feb-02-07 at 07:47:10 PST

saphilatelics, that's pretty much as I thought.
Just hoping as a plus for me that someone can come up with an image of each so that I can compare.

Posted by dcderoo ( 1648

) on Feb-02-07 at 07:43:30 PST

stamps12345, the two stamps under question are NOT large and small shield varieties, they are color varieties (both are small shield.)
Sc# 8 vs. 8a
OR
Mi# 8 vs. 15

Posted by saphilatelics ( 401

)

on Feb-02-07 at 07:41:06 PST

The difference between large and small shield is immaterial, as Michel 8 and 15 are both small shield stamps. It is the color that matters, with Michel 8 being reddish orange or red-orange, Michel 15 being orange. The scan looks to be of Michel 15, with a CV of EUR 50 for MH and EUR 180 for MNH. A Michel 8, by contrast, catalogs for EUR 750 and 6500, respectively.

Posted by nomad55 ( 861

)

on Feb-02-07 at 07:26:09 PST

Sorry Bjorn - at least I had it half right.

Here's an interesting error, the new state of Califorina.
http://i2.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/87/4e/b0fe_1_b.JPG

Actually, the spelling mistake had previously been recorded, but its difficult to find.
Cachet shows the dirigible hangar at Moffett Field in Sunnyvale. The building still stands, although now closed.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 07:23:34 PST

DCDEROO----Here is the catalog showing the difference between the small shield and the large shield .It is the direction of the eagle feathers that is the easies to see on your stamp ,if they are down or surround the eagle .... LARGE SHIELD AND SMALL SHIELD.....hope this helps...paul

Posted by 22028 ( 1551

)

on Feb-02-07 at 07:14:02 PST

stamps54321, give yourself a break... (or visit a psychologist)…

Posted by stamps54321 ( 6 )

on Feb-02-07 at 07:03:26 PST

Ain't this the truth!

http://www.geocities.com/mellowits/judge2.jpg

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Feb-02-07 at 07:00:19 PST

Good day all.

Peter

It is either of the stamps from SG 122 to 124a, depending on color. Probably 122b, pale chestnut. No idea of value, catalog is too old.

It is a wing margin, found on stamps with D, E, H, and I in SE corner on spray of roses watermark.

Local "character" is no more.

Posted by dcderoo ( 1648

) on Feb-02-07 at 06:55:45 PST

Need a bit of help.
This concerns a German stamp I listed and sold.
I listed it as Germany Sc# 8 (Mi# 8).
It appears I should have said "Germany Sc# 8 (Mi# 15)".
I have no reason to believe the buyer is incorrect especially since it cost her less than $50.

I need a sanity check.
Which one is this?

Better yet for my continuing education, if someone could post a side-by-side image of both, that would be great.

Posted by peterc8888 ( 296

) on Feb-02-07 at 06:43:05 PST

I want to know the SG catalogue # for this Great Britain stamp and the CV of it. Is it common to have such a large margin?

Great Britain

Thanks,

PC

Posted by malolo ( 836

)

on Feb-02-07 at 06:36:35 PST

Aloha -
I just read the Board before going to work and discovered I wrote last night that I bid "130SF" for the 200SF lot. I'm not that cheap-!!! My agent bid to 1300SF for me since preliminary emails suggested 800SF might win the lot. It went for 2400SF!

Off to work and see if I can make a few thousand during work hours, which will be tough without getting on the front page. )'>)

Roger

Posted by horadam1 ( 433

)

on Feb-02-07 at 06:16:10 PST

This is not business, and I do not know the seller from squat. If anyone is interested in modern airmail covers from various countries to the US, one seller on ebay has large lots up at auction, ending soon. So as to not promote any business, even that with does not help me, but probably will garner bids against mine, I have posted the link on the alternate chat board. If no one is interested or offended by this, then my apologies and sorry to waste a space on the board.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-02-07 at 05:51:23 PST

FRANK B. -----Actually I like the guy no reason to get mad ,working on Fr.Morocco and made a few nice finds like a type I of the Peace and Commerce issues cats at $29.00 ,all from a old dealer approval book .Also got a three pages of unlisted material like this UNLISTED STAMPS /PRIVATE ISSUES ....paul

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1209

)

on Feb-02-07 at 04:46:40 PST

Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all

In keeping with the "V" theme here’s a Veteran saluting on a Kokomo Club card 50-7.

Jim L.

Posted by greenwave4u ( 71

) on Feb-02-07 at 02:46:54 PST

I think global warming must have finally caught up with the Aussie cricket team:-)

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Feb-02-07 at 01:32:58 PST

Oh my.....of all the words to misspell.....education.

It was a typo....yeah, just a typo. :o)

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Feb-02-07 at 01:28:11 PST

dragonstamps Since I don't think I've "chatted" with you before.....Welcome!

As for the oodles of forgeries surrounding US civil war postal history, you're sadly correct. :o(

Of course, the GOOD news is here you can can get a free eduction! We've got plenty of posters in our ranks who more then just dabble in that realm. Ask away, please, ask away. The detailed answers about those things that trouble you are at your fingertips.......

Posted by bjornmu ( 867

) on Feb-01-07 at 23:41:59 PST

Uh, try again: FEB 29, 1907

Posted by bjornmu ( 867

) on Feb-01-07 at 23:41:28 PST

Nomad, thanks but I don't collect ordinary Leap Day cancels. I am however interested in items like this, cancelled FEB 29, 1907! :-)

Posted by sheryll*net ( 90

)

on Feb-01-07 at 23:08:44 PST

Paolo - Greetings, and no worries! I wonder why the card took so long to arrive?

V is for the Vanuatu Volcano Post, a philatelic first by Vanuatu. I received a postcard posted from there last year. On the front is a photo of Mt Yasur where the Volcano Post box is located, and the Volcano Post handstamp is on the back, dated 12 Oct 06. To see a photo of this postcard being posted, scroll down to the bottom of this webpage.

S2

Posted by dragonstamps ( 444

) on Feb-01-07 at 22:35:49 PST

There is money to be made! That's the sad aspect to any collectible hobby. It draws in a seedy bunch or should I say bunches.

I enjoy reading about the American civil war and I've over 30 books on the subject.
But the stamps from that period have been so heavily forged/manipulated, I can't see spending the time or effort to learn the real ones from the fakes.
So what would be an obvious top 5 category for me goes ignored. I won't collect it.

Posted by malolo ( 836

)

on Feb-01-07 at 22:27:40 PST

oregon-grown -
Could you please rephrase your comment. It's late here and I'm not sure I understand your comment.

Roger

NOIP - Missed on first auction in Switzerland,. Had agent bid up to 130SF on auction with 200SF as start. Lot went for 2400 between two others who wanted it a whole lot more. A one set of books, only 7 sets of the 6 volumes were ever published. More action tomorrow and Saturday!

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-01-07 at 22:06:23 PST

Lindy... I have a COWS IN STORM handstamp...

Posted by oregon-grown ( 387

) on Feb-01-07 at 21:53:45 PST

When I bid on magazines and plan to be there but find out that I won't be able to I place my highest bid. Nothing else enters my mind I understand that there will be other items. So thing or read into it what you will.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-01-07 at 21:22:32 PST

jayJim nice envelope, now with some old ink, and a few handstamps..how about Gone from Gettysburg / Missent to Mississippi / Thunderstorms in Tennesee / Damaged in Delaware
Im sure our friend could make them up for you in a day or 2 !!

L. :o)

Posted by matthew1999 ( 148

)

on Feb-01-07 at 21:18:33 PST

When we all get tired of stamps, here are some other things we can collect...

Mh

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-01-07 at 21:01:31 PST

NOIP… I received this unusual item today, a patriotic Civil War cover, an all-over 34 star flag printed between 1861 and 1863. (Warning! 200k file) How do I know? Kansas was admitted to the Union in January 1861, while West Virginia, the next state, didn’t make it in until June 1863.

Not worth a whole lot surely, but interesting to me, because of a general interest in the US Civil War. Also, it was typographed, so the stars seem to have been carved individually into the blue union.

Jim

Posted by dbenson ( 7801

)

on Feb-01-07 at 20:56:03 PST

breffington, I agree with Paul's comments about that link which he called a beginners board. Pity he hasn't reached that stage yet as he cannot understand it's level.

Lucky he wasn't in the army with all the other 1000 soldiers marching out of step and he was the one that was correct,

David B.

Posted by breffington ( 346

) on Feb-01-07 at 20:26:12 PST

I am appalled I did not spell appalled correctly. F

Posted by peetah ( 460

) on Feb-01-07 at 20:15:18 PST

jim-lawler "....to let their friends know they are interested" makes sense too. Thanx all.

Posted by breffington ( 346

) on Feb-01-07 at 20:04:26 PST

To D. Benson and Paul in alphabetical order: I am apalled at you David for expecting Paul to be a hinge licking lackey to your pronouncements. Even if you are known as the 'Sage of Sydney'. Is there no Socratic exchange to be had here? Now you are out of Paul's will and he is off your drinks list. And, Paul, to impoverish a philatelist when he has to sock away some money for when his daughter marries is poor form. Do consider putting him back in your will. And I thought the Mid-East issues were tough to solve. Frank

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1208

)

on Feb-01-07 at 19:36:11 PST

peetah
To add to what dragonstamps posted, (and I agree with what he's said) it’s possible that the first bid is a “Bookmark” bid so they can find the lot latter and to let their friends know they are interested. The second bid could be due to their expectation of having the bookmark bid out bid.

In keeping with the "V" theme here’s a Veterans Day cancel card 14-5.

Here’s another Veterans Day cancle card 14-11.

Jim L.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-01-07 at 19:03:06 PST

I agree with dragon, and it does intimidate other bidders if they see an item with 2 bids and still at starting price!

Posted by peetah ( 460

) on Feb-01-07 at 18:51:40 PST

dragonstamps reason 1 makes sense.

Posted by dragonstamps ( 444

) on Feb-01-07 at 18:35:23 PST

Peetah:

There are two reasons to do that, that I can think of. One is that the bidder wanted to place a higher maximum bid and might not be able to return to bid again.
And the second reason is to scare away other bidders, which it does in my opinion/experience.

Posted by sneeky37 ( 232

)

on Feb-01-07 at 18:22:13 PST

A VERY GOOD EVENING TO ALL !!!

Posted by peetah ( 460

) on Feb-01-07 at 18:15:41 PST

What is the reason for an only bidder, to come back at some other time and place another bid? Is there some strategic reason for doing so?

Posted by dbenson ( 7801

)

on Feb-01-07 at 17:24:51 PST

Paul, I have been posting on Richard's board but only about exhibitions, I didn't want to get involved with the discussion as I knew it would detiorate when you got angry because you didn't get the answer you wanted,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7801

)

on Feb-01-07 at 17:19:56 PST

Paul, and your not on my invite list for drinks,

David B.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-01-07 at 17:19:11 PST

DAVID B. ----Now i know that was you posting that ,on Richards board ---lol

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-01-07 at 17:14:45 PST

insults insults ,thats all I get from you ......now I got bad news for you ....I did my will today and didn't include you.

Posted by dbenson ( 7801

)

on Feb-01-07 at 17:13:21 PST

This is the so called beginners board,

http://www.iswsc.org/iswsc_ident.html

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7801

)

on Feb-01-07 at 17:04:16 PST

IO, is it a full moon in Chicago,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7801

)

on Feb-01-07 at 17:03:38 PST

Paul, the only person who looks like a halfwit is you, you refused to acknoweldge what Gibbons states, what Rossiter states because they are English and then you refuse to acknowledge what a US site says,

ps. the writer on Richard's board sounds a lot like you even with you calling card " hope this helps ",

David B.

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1208

)

on Feb-01-07 at 16:40:10 PST

In keeping with the "V" theme here’s a flag slogan promoting vacationing in Kokomo, Indiana click here.

Jim L.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-01-07 at 16:34:28 PST

DAVID B. ----You make me laugh ........Your posting about the Venezuela on Richards board is a lame attempt by you .To support your point of view .A unknown poster who writes like a half-wit puts up the attempts at a question .He gets the answer from a expert to look in the catalog and says what the catalog says .That is your supporting arguement --LOL-----Then you link to a beginners pages which offers nothing but a basic explaination as a fiscal .Come on David ,lets wait to a serious piece of research is offered and not something thats a repeat of Gibbons .Im Surprise on your need to refer to basic beginner information as your source to prove a point .

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Feb-01-07 at 15:21:29 PST

Quiet day considering it's a

Posted by nomad55 ( 861

)

on Feb-01-07 at 14:51:47 PST

For somebody (do not remember who, but possibly Bjorn).....

February 29th alert
http://cgi.ebay.com/Imperf-1cent-stamp-on-cover-to-Germany-1920_W0QQitemZ230086385678QQihZ013QQcategoryZ689QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Posted by dbenson ( 7801

)

on Feb-01-07 at 14:18:24 PST

vinny, not at the moment, don't normally have beer at home, although plenty of wine & liqueurs,

David B.

Posted by vinnysf ( 290

) on Feb-01-07 at 14:00:27 PST

david b. you still got any free beer?

Posted by purpleandgold23 ( 99

) on Feb-01-07 at 13:52:27 PST

Pat

Not much in the article other than what I have stated but I don't think that the framed "Missent to Ireland" which I would describe as "rubber-type" is all that uncommon. When you referred to it in your previous post, I knew that I had seen it documented before.

Regards

Dermot

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-01-07 at 13:50:31 PST

Good morning from a sunny Melbourne!

Chip G., wow! thank you that was a joy to look at.

Linda

Posted by dbenson ( 7801

)

on Feb-01-07 at 13:50:07 PST

Purple & Gold, thanks for the confirmation,

David B.

Posted by patcurragh ( 3 ) on Feb-01-07 at 13:38:32 PST

Dermot, does the Irsh Stamp News article refer to the place of origin of the handstamp or to its authenticity? Modern PH not really my cup of tea.

I'm reading an article on penalties applied for the forging of Free Frank signatures to obtain free postage. From 1784 treble charge was applied on discovery and the offender could be fined £50 for the first offence, £100 for the second, a third brought Transportation for 7 years. I wonder if this still applies for "Free Post". Seven years all expenses paid in Oz is somewhat appealing!

Pat

Posted by purpleandgold23 ( 99

) on Feb-01-07 at 13:28:36 PST

David

Yes - the two strikes are completely different.

Regards

Dermot

Posted by infla-alec ( 506

)

on Feb-01-07 at 13:25:50 PST

Chip G Simply excellent V showing. I think the long wait was worthwhile.

Posted by dbenson ( 7801

)

on Feb-01-07 at 13:17:52 PST

purple&gold,

have you compared the marking on the lot that was sold to the markings in the magazine article,

David B.

Posted by purpleandgold23 ( 99

) on Feb-01-07 at 13:09:56 PST

Just to comment on the references to recent "Missent to Ireland" handstamps. In Issue 22 of Irish Stamp News (no longer published) of Summer 1986, three international "missent" covers are shown. The last cover shows a fair strike of a framed "Missent to Ireland" with the following text: "Finally we show a cover to Israel from the USA with the MISSENT TO/IRELAND cachet" and then goes on to explain why countries beginning with "I" are the usual source for such covers.

I believe that the use of such a handstamp in recent times is reasonably well-known. Whether there are six varieties as claimed, however, is a different question.

Regards to all

Dermot

Posted by claghorn1p ( 409

)

on Feb-01-07 at 13:09:20 PST

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Posted by sayasan ( 593

)

on Feb-01-07 at 13:02:56 PST

Agreed. CG amazing. A pleasure to browse.

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-01-07 at 12:32:32 PST

Chip G… Let me also congratulate you on your terrific CG stamps…

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-01-07 at 12:30:43 PST

D2… Congratulations on the 7800! My, that’s a lot of stamp sales…

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 913

)

on Feb-01-07 at 12:29:10 PST

Knud-Erik… Thank you for saving this lot from the unscrupulous You-Know-Who! If you hadn’t won it, this would soon have popped up for sale on eBay, with rare previously unrecorded COWS IN STORM marking.

Jim

Posted by sayasan ( 593

)

on Feb-01-07 at 12:03:41 PST

Yes, last time I took a leak in the basement of the Royal the engraving of the cattle painting was still there. Which is about where it belongs, IMO. Total kitsch.

Posted by dbenson ( 7801

)

on Feb-01-07 at 11:30:38 PST

very strange coincidence,

someone asked on Richard F's board about the Venezuela School Tax Stamps & a new reference reiterating my comments has been posted,

http://www.iswsc.org/iswsc_ident.html

overprint on Escuelas stamps of Venezuela): Venezuela,validation of non-postage school stamps.

what a coincidence, hopefully this will be the end of the subject and all will finally agree what they are, School Tax stamps,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7801

)

on Feb-01-07 at 11:05:53 PST

knud, your welcome to visit here, stay as long as you like and I will give you all the free beer you can drink,

David B.

Posted by knuden ( 2195

)

on Feb-01-07 at 10:52:22 PST

D2 - Congrats David with another round number - is there a free beer??

K.E

I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!

Posted by knuden ( 2195

)

on Feb-01-07 at 10:50:51 PST

David has just said, what I was going to write: Paolo, welcome back, please stay, we need you!

K.E

I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!

Posted by dbenson ( 7801

)

on Feb-01-07 at 10:46:59 PST

Paolo, welcome back, please stay, we need you,

David B.

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3355

)

on Feb-01-07 at 10:45:16 PST

K.E. Congrats!

Posted by knuden ( 2195

)

on Feb-01-07 at 10:39:32 PST

postalhysteria - Re your message on Feb-01-07 at 04:39:45 PST. ;O)

K.E

I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!

Posted by bjornmu ( 867

) on Feb-01-07 at 10:36:04 PST

chipg, that's a very impressive collection of CG! It's the collection that's impressive, not each single stamp.

Posted by dbenson ( 7801

)

on Feb-01-07 at 10:11:44 PST

In case the buyer turns up here,

The cover is perfectly genuine apart from the MISSENT TO ALDERNEY & MISSENT TO IRELAND, neither of those marks have ever been recorded and never will be unless in a reference book of fake handstamps,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7801

)

on Feb-01-07 at 10:08:01 PST

It looks like Johhno found a customer for one of his covers,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3514&item=150086552544

David B.

Posted by vonbag ( 170

)

on Feb-01-07 at 08:33:59 PST

Hi Mitchell (antonius-ra),
Thank You very much for your kind posts (also the one of the other time, when I got pissed with someone and decided not to post anymore, more than a month ago). Those you showed are all wonderful pages!

Greetings, Paolo

Posted by chipg ( 206

) on Feb-01-07 at 08:19:53 PST

I believe that the original painting for the $1 Trans Mississippi was titled "The Vanguard" and I think that it has been lost.

There was an engraving made of the painting, a copy of which (the engraving) is in the mens' room at the Royal. See: this description.

Other copies of the engraving periodically show up at auction (see lot 352)here

Posted by 1covers ( 1276

)

on Feb-01-07 at 07:54:52 PST

Jim - No worries ... the original painting for the Chalon Head stamps resides in a the United States.

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Feb-01-07 at 07:40:41 PST

The painting of "Western Cattle in a storm" resides in the mens bathroom of the RPSL in London.

Posted by knuden ( 2195

)

on Feb-01-07 at 07:34:34 PST

For some time ago I recieved this letter. I was a bit worried if it was a philatelic cover. Thanks to eBay Germany's stamp chat I now know it's a commercial cover. It was sent from a factory in Germany to a bank in Uruguay with no personal names involved. The rate was 2 weightclass (20 - 200gr.) letter rate 0.40 RM. (Reichmark) + Registration fee 0.30 RM + Air Mail fee (1.50 RM pr. 5 gr.) 9.00 RM. All together 9.70 RM., which make the cover overfranked with. 0.30 RM., which are acceptable. :O)

K.E

I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1208

)

on Feb-01-07 at 07:27:46 PST

Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all

Sorry for the delay in posting my morning greetings, but my ISP went down overnight and they’ve just now got it back up and working.

stjohnstamps
All those “AA” types are on my “want, but don’t expect to ever get” list.

Right now as far as I know only Dave Smith and myself have the new Kokomo, IN L-3. It’s a press-printed type that the Kokomo Stamp club used last year with the postcard rate change. Very few extra copies were printed. Less than 25 cards were mailed with that precancel making up the rate.

Roachdale is actually a very nice small town in Indiana.

In keeping with the "V" theme here’s a Kokomo Card from Valley Grove, West Virginia card 22-3.

and here’s a patriotic Kokomo Card cancel with Uncle Sam with a V over his head card 23-7.

Jim L.

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3355

)

on Feb-01-07 at 07:26:12 PST

Re WESTERN CATTLE IN STORM

The $1.00 Trans-Mississippi commemorative. The vignette, taken from a painting by Scotsman John MacWhirter, may be quite inaccurate...for the cattle depicted represent a scene not in America's West, but in the northern reaches of Scotland. And are they Angus cattle, as many have theorized? No one knows for sure. And if they are Angus cattle, was this breed even in existence in America at the time the stamp was issued?

TAKEN FROM:
http://www.georgealevizos.com/www/archives.htm

Posted by knuden ( 2195

)

on Feb-01-07 at 07:09:00 PST

V is for Victory

Here is a cover to Sweden 1941 canceled with a german propaganda cancel - V for Victory. The stamp is overprinted with the V too. The propaganda campaign was a failure for the Germans, as the norwegian resistance movement changed the V for Victory to Vi Vil Vinne (We Wil Win) - More about the history here.

K.E

I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Feb-01-07 at 07:01:11 PST

Good day all.

V is for Vesuvius on postcards.

Posted by stjohnstamps ( 841

)

on Feb-01-07 at 07:00:15 PST

jim-l yes, the new KOKOMO L3 is listed at 5$. The SEVEN AA's are: Attica-L4, Chesterton-704, Glenwood-631, Monroeville-471, NewSalisbury-L1, Reynolds-622, Roachdale-622. I miscounted 6 the first time. How would you like to live in a town named ROACHDALE!

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-01-07 at 06:59:09 PST

PETERC8888 ---Sorry about not answering you sooner ,was distracted .

On answering your question about what sells on e-bay right now {2007} in the stamp section .First i want to say that any answer i give about sales and marketing can easly be disputed and samples can be found to support any arguement . So what I see will differ than what others see ,but i will give it a shot.

First were talking about what can be purchased and sold at a profit not what can be purchased and then get your money back and break even. Junk lots of total worthless stuff can be sold but good marketing and presentation is the key . Good country collections sell well not picked over stuff but collections like Dr. BOB sells are good .Classic stamps are going for a low fraction of catalog unless its a Russian or British Colonies small colony but thats hit and miss. Covers can sell well if you find a unsearch bulk lot ,but too many collectors run to the stamp shows to search the dollar cover boxes for stuff to sell on e-bay .

There is too much better material {stuff that cats at $50.00 to $300.00} out there already from both collectors and dealers thats hit and miss also. Postal History is a area that i have no interest or knownledge so i will leave that alone.

That leaves two area that i watch with interest ,that is mint complete sets of the past 50 years ,these are sets and dealer stocks that you can purchase at auction at 1/5 catalog and they are getting 1/2 catalog to over full catalog amazing .These are sets that catalog $1.00 to $10.00.But research needs to be done on what is selling .Then other area of interest is the area DJS talked about is the cheap low value country lots something like 100 Egyptian stamps for $7.00 or 25 Manchukuo stamps for $5.00 these sell and do well and can be purchased in huge massive mixture lots at end of the auction sales for less than two cent each .

So thats my summary of what can be profitable in selling on e-bay .Iam sure every reader can find faults with my point of view but so far we haven't seen that here .....paul

Posted by knuden ( 2195

)

on Feb-01-07 at 06:47:04 PST

chipg - Drooooool!!!! Beautyful collection. I specially like the way, you have set up the pages with the borders around the stamps.
I still have to find a not too expensive entire with my initials. I have been searching for years but in vain. :O(

K.E

I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-01-07 at 06:27:49 PST

"no cow in a snow storm " =no"cow in a snow storm"------proof read ,proof read and have coffee .

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Feb-01-07 at 06:25:37 PST

SOGGY /and those outside of the U.S. -----I thought one of the U.S. collectors would post it correctly .

There is "no cow in a Snow Storm" -----its -------"Western Cattle in Storm". It is a famous American painting . Just to set the record straight

Posted by chipg ( 206

) on Feb-01-07 at 06:19:47 PST

Hi all.
Been waiting 20 letters to get to the right point to post this link. Here's my contribution to "V"
Victoria

It is a slightly different take on the "initial" collection that RF showed a few letters ago.

Posted by soggy333 ( 54

) on Feb-01-07 at 06:15:24 PST

Paul
You are not being fair to Apfelbaum. They were only interviewing an average collector who said that he thought the Cow in the Snowstorm was the most beautiful stamp he had ever seen. That reminds me of a scruffy collector (liar as well) that told me at a show that his US collection was complete except for the Inverted Zeffelins.

Posted by lluehhhb ( 238

) on Feb-01-07 at 06:05:26 PST

Yesterday I was looking into a $2 cover box and found some things for people here:

For Jim, maybe this is the time to include postal stationeries to the volcano study:
Front and Back

For Bob in WA, two nice covers with bridges here

Finally, I can't remember who was the collector of errors in postmarks, but some days ago I received this oversized cover where the center circle of the postmark is inverted (compared with the other two) and the time is inverted too (see detail). I know it's highly uncollectable due to the size, but if you want it anyway, email me.

All will be in the mail to you soon.
an to other temathic collectors, please tell what you collect to keep an eye open!

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-01-07 at 04:40:43 PST

now now Rainer you are sounding like a German husband I once had! :o)

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3353

)

on Feb-01-07 at 04:39:45 PST

I wonder how many of these will resurface with remarkable new stories of their travels to tell?

(Hint: see current high bidder)

Posted by 22028 ( 1550

)

on Feb-01-07 at 04:34:55 PST

When I am drunk i need my car because I can not walk anymore...
Carry me to my car and I drive you home ;-)))

Posted by margozim ( 4 ) on Feb-01-07 at 04:25:42 PST

antonius:

You have been told repeatedly not to post after drinking. You might want to find a local AA chapter.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Feb-01-07 at 04:21:08 PST

gosh did the sight of Mitchell's hands scare all posters away??

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Jan-31-07 at 23:58:07 PST

Did Meran have anything to do with that mix?

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Jan-31-07 at 23:56:15 PST

Wow, this internet sheit is really Awesome .......dude!
So awesome I totally forgot what I was trying to say?!?
Actually things are really starting to stink beneath my desk. It is cold outside but the cat had an invite, a couple hours ago, to tour the grounds. (he declined)
Jeez, what amazes me most is that I am still able to type with these grubby old mits Arrgh
I think I might should die now. Anyone with a soft coozy please apply without! All offers considered.
PAUL SUCKS
I ain't a kiddin. I would never do that.

Posted by dbenson ( 7794

)

on Jan-31-07 at 23:51:59 PST

Mitch, according to Gibbons all of those Postage Due T & Taxe handstamps were made in Bolzano (Bozen) were not officially authorised and were made for collectors,

David b.

Posted by malolo ( 836

)

on Jan-31-07 at 23:14:53 PST

Mitchell -
They are TAX stamps. ROTFLMAO

Check here for location and brief history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentino-South_Tyrol

Seems like an area in the Tirol where both Austria and Italy had "occupation" at different times in the early 20th century.

Roger

Posted by malolo ( 836

)

on Jan-31-07 at 23:08:56 PST

I was writing while you posted.

Huggy, kissy all made up! LOL

Roger

Posted by malolo ( 836

)

on Jan-31-07 at 23:06:54 PST

Rebutal please -

Paul wrote -
(It was Milton Friedman's) "writting (sic) that influenced my friend Leo Melamed to organize a group of young guys into a group called by others as "MARKET WIZARDS or YOUNG TURKS " . We started the International Monetary Market ,and the beginning of trading paper....."

I read this clearly to say Leo Melamed organized a group of young guys - the Young Turks. We - Leo Melamed and the Young Turks - started IMM. Obviously Paul was one of the young guys in the group and one of the original group. I don't have a problem with this.

You could certainly claim to be one of the "originals" of Maya Construction. I agree that doesn't make you a founder (your choice of words). Couldn't you say casually 30 years later, "I was living in Tucson when my friend formed a group of quality carpenters, later called the "Pounders". We started Maya Construction which built the best homes in Tucson, and showed the rest of Arizona how to do it."

Remember you are the only person in this discussion who used the word "founder". Paul didn't.

Just another way of looking at a post which didn't have to be debated in the first place. I hope my posts don't get such close scrutiny in the future as I'd probably write "F___ yoous", and get on with my stamps. I don't think that necessary, and wish more people would practice the art of not reading posts by those with whom they already disagree!

Roger

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-31-07 at 22:38:42 PST

Roger… I have to add my 2¢ about your brilliant Razor cancel research and work. In my opinion you are a first rate philatelist.

We do disagree, but in no instance, and for no reason, would I ever lose one ten-millionth of the respect I have for you.

How’s that for nice-nice??

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-31-07 at 22:26:16 PST

Roger... Well...

I was a foreman of a crew of carpenters when Maya Construction Compoany was formed in 1977 in Tucson. I was not a founder of the company--the contractor and his financial partner were. I was there from the very first day, but to say that I started the company, or that we (i.e. the principals and me) started the company would have been frankly ludicrous.

I agree! Back to stamps!

Frank Lloyd Wrong

Posted by bradstonian ( 1132

)

on Jan-31-07 at 22:19:46 PST

Hi Mitchell,

Best laugh of the day so far (21:01)!

It's only 6:20 here, so plenty of time for more............

Martin.

Posted by malolo ( 836

)

on Jan-31-07 at 22:19:39 PST

Alec -

My ISP finally got it together increasing my MB storage. Here are both my 128 page DeCoppet Razor Cancelexhibit which has a link on the top of the first frame to my 64 page Time Line exhibit.

The next three days will be exciting as I wait for news from Switzerland on whether or not I win a few crucial auctions. The future direction of my collecting will be determined by the results!

Roger

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Jan-31-07 at 22:15:51 PST

hiya John I think you well know the sad answer to that.

Posted by magnoliastamps ( 51

) on Jan-31-07 at 21:30:01 PST

Well I see it's still the S.O.S.D.D. when will we grow up and stop insulting each other......J.B.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Jan-31-07 at 21:01:00 PST

Gawg and barf to boot........
paulYou really should give D2 a break. He is so far above pions like me and you (seriously, get that fact)! I dread the day he gives up posting on this board!!!
If you did I would only consider it, a blessing to all.

DJSCongrats on your new position. It was extremely wise of you not to point your future employer to this board.
Otherwise, there is no way, he would be!

Io I've been updating my other website Sugilite Source Was wondering if you had a sample for your collection. Let me know......

Posted by malolo ( 836

)

on Jan-31-07 at 20:44:34 PST

Impartial jurist here;

Paul wrote - "We started the International Monetary Market..."

Jay wrote - "I just sent a message off to Leo Melamed asking if you were one of the founders of IMM, as you stated here..."

Paul wrote - "TRADER not founder ,I was part of the group that generated the volume in the pit..."

Jay wrote - "I say this only because your statements have left me quite puzzled as to your founding role at IMM.

I see no evidence Paul used the word Founder.

He did write "We started.."

My opinion for anyone who cares - another "gotcha" that isn't a "gotcha".

A group who are founders can organize a business yet still must have people to enact the daily operations of the business. If one is enacting at the very beginning, in my opinion, they are entitled to claim "We started the International Monetary Market..." yet not necessarily be a member of the Founders.

Let's get back to philately, please.

Roger

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jan-31-07 at 20:35:26 PST

JAY----This isn't the place to discuss monetary policy and its effect and changes ,you need to get Friedman's book "FREE TO CHOOSE" .

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1208

)

on Jan-31-07 at 19:25:49 PST

jaywild
Nice Sears package tag!

stjohnstamps
I’ve not seen the new 7th ed yet. I’m sure that I don’t have any of the “one only’s.” There is a postal stationary envelope I’ve got the discovery copy of, that as far as I know is a one only. But, I’m sure more will turn up.
Did the new Kokomo Type (L-3) make the catalogue?

22028
Neat pamphlet

In keeping with the "V" theme here’s a group of Vincennes, Indiana 323 doubles
click here .

Here’s a Vincennes, Indiana L-5 Memeo click here .

and here’s a Post Office Business envelope with the wrong state on it. click here .

Jim L.

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-31-07 at 19:24:56 PST

Yep we are talking about the same stamps then. Expensive for sure but as you say not really necessary for a NZ Universal exhibit. Still a nice item to have though. With the first two vertical columns affected I guess it is possible to get a block of four. Ahh well dreams are free :)
Cheers
Roly

Posted by 22028 ( 1550

)

on Jan-31-07 at 19:20:18 PST

Linda, yes, a wonderful pamphlet. These things are getting rarer and rarer..., on the other hands, demand is higher and higher..., well, have to run to office now to make a few bucks to pay for ;-)))

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Jan-31-07 at 19:17:54 PST

Rainer wow!!! thats some price, but a wonderful pamphlet... well done to win it, obviously you were not the only one keen to have it. excellent!.
Linda

Posted by dbenson ( 7794

)

on Jan-31-07 at 19:16:18 PST

roly, there is a cover with the rare color around in a collection, philatelic of course but who cares,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7794

)

on Jan-31-07 at 19:14:46 PST

roly, yes & no,

As you know the ink pad on Niue originally was Violet but they added some Green ink by mistake and the 1st. certical and part of the 2nd. vertical row was struck with a Greenish Violet ink. They then used for the balance of the sheet a Green pad with varying depths of impression which gives a Green or Bluish Green impression.

Vey difficult issue but a neccesity for a Niue collector but can be excused from a NZ Universal exhibit,

David B.

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-31-07 at 19:14:34 PST

David Ahhh I know the ones you are refering to now :)
Geeeshhhh well they are certainly expensive. And, NO, I don't have those in my collection.....
I guess from the description in SG it would be possible to get a corner block of four... Yea God's and little fishes that would go for a King's ransom for sure..
Cheers
Roly

My pair are the less expensive one cv at £300 ea.

Posted by 776 ( 651

)

on Jan-31-07 at 19:12:27 PST

Sign on i75. "Toilet stolen from police station. Police have nothing to go on."

Gawg

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-31-07 at 19:07:27 PST

David B. Yes, I know all about the Niue handstamp and I do have a se-tenant pair here somewhere. I will come to light soon I am sure just as the Aitutaki and Samoa ones did last night...... :)
And, yes they are expensive little takkers as well.....
Cheers
Roly

PS. Ohh so Gibbons describes the colour as greenish violet..... hmmm I seem to remember them being quite bluish but I will wait till I find them !!

Posted by 22028 ( 1550

)

on Jan-31-07 at 19:05:41 PST

My sniper was active last night, a lot of money for an old pamphlet... but I am happy to win it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140077485366

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-31-07 at 18:59:38 PST

peetah Linda is correct. The orientation of the booklet pane depends on which side of the sheet the pane was "cut" from.
cheers
Roly

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-31-07 at 18:57:35 PST

Sorry Paul, but this quote is directly from you, posted on the eBay chatboard Jan 31 at 14:27:57 pm—

“…my friend Leo Melamed to organize a group of young guys into a group called by others as "MARKET WIZARDS or YOUNG TURKS " . We started the International Monetary Market ,and the beginning of trading paper…”

The comments are exactly as you wrote them, punctuated exactly the way they appeared. I added the red and bold to emphasize one remark in particular.

Now I am very interested in all your statements on this subject. Perhaps you can explain what the Bretton Woods agreement was, and how IMM challenged it when it was founded? (Hint: This is what Milton Frieman wrote about, not, as you claim, that Congress could “regulate but not control [currency exchange].)” Even if you were only a floor trader you would need an intimate knowledge of the principles that were being overturned, otherwise you would have no clue what was going on.

I say this only because your statements have left me quite puzzled as to your founding role at IMM.

Jim

Posted by dbenson ( 7794

)

on Jan-31-07 at 18:56:16 PST

Roly, don't forget the Niue handstamp in Greenish Violet, it is only a footnote in Gibbons and should be collected in se-tenant pairs, it will put a dent in your stamp budget,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7794

)

on Jan-31-07 at 18:53:38 PST

D1 & Marius, have either of you noted lot # 618 in Gibbons, Melbourne sale on Saturday, you might have missed it as it is listed under Russia. It will give Marius a few extra points in his Brissy exhibit,

David B.

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-31-07 at 18:44:06 PST

IO Just when you thought it was safe to come out and play :-0
Aitutaki and Samoa for you to add to your catalogue.
And, yep, some of the varieties are expensive little buggers for sure. Some of the perf and watermark variations are scarce (hence the high CV) but it si surprising how often they can be found in bulk lots. Most collectors find this stamp very difficult to sort and so they either keep everything just in case or sell the lot and get what they can for them. OK, off to look for more variants just to make your day :)
Cheers
Roly

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jan-31-07 at 18:32:31 PST

JAY ----TRADER not founder ,I was part of the group that generated the volume in the pit before the customer paper was established ,he pulled me by the neck a few times to make trades .We later got in trouble with the federal government over their claim that i was artifically making volume in the pit .The case was dismissed for lack of evidence .

Posted by djs127 ( 568

)

on Jan-31-07 at 18:26:10 PST

Paul let me know when you come to the next New York city auction and maybe I could take a few hours off from work (I start Feb 12th) and meet you. I am sure you could teach me a lot about live auctions. Off to close my Ebay store now.
David Snyder

Posted by stjohnstamps ( 841

)

on Jan-31-07 at 18:24:21 PST

jim-l - I just finished updating my Indiana precancels into the new 7th PSS town and type catalog. Its a beautiful book and now annotates the one-only precancel types. Do you have any of the six Indiana AA one-only's? (I don't!)

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jan-31-07 at 18:17:23 PST

NOIP----Guess we got knowledgeable readers in the balcony ,thanks to "X" .

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-31-07 at 18:16:57 PST

Paul… I just sent a message off to Leo Melamed asking if you were one of the founders of IMM, as you stated here. Should know by tomorrow.

Jim

Posted by dbenson ( 7794

)

on Jan-31-07 at 18:07:17 PST

Paul, and they are right, it is s.g O27C which cats. at 3.75 Pounds used, it is row 4, position 7, add that to your notes,

David B.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jan-31-07 at 17:57:11 PST

22028 and David B. ---Just got a e-mail from someone who said the second stamp in the scan i posted earlier has a inverted S on the second stamp. Said it was 027c in Gibbons .I don't know the author ...paul

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-31-07 at 17:44:20 PST

NOIP… Here are a couple of items that came today—

This is a very short use slogan cancel from Detroit, know only from Jan 8 through the 20 of 1900.
Here is a very scarce Barr-Fyke usage, a “midget dial” cancel, and what makes this item especially nice is that it beats the current LKU by five days.
And here is the piéce de resistance—a solo use 14 ¢ prexie on a parcel tag from Sears, Roebuck. I am convinced it is genuine solo usage, because the stamp not only bears a precancel but is also dated: SRC FEB 46. (SRC stands for Sears Roebuck & Company.)

Jim

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jan-31-07 at 17:35:18 PST

DJS-----I have a account with Greg Manning ,Shreves,and Cherrystone in New York and Matthew Bennett .All these auctions are public ,you don't have to be a dealer. The amount of money i spent is usually determined by what i like .Lots go from $300.00 to the sky .Usually im buying somethings from the center of the catalog and always holding a few dollars until the bulk lots at the end of the catalog.

Some times the bulk lots will have something interesting or something i never seen .This gives me enought to work on for a year .The bulk lots are sorted during the summer eveings after work ,great way to relax .

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-31-07 at 17:14:47 PST

Guess who (gulp) Bidder 1 is.

Thanks for the tip Roger, but I already had plate 2 on cover.

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-31-07 at 16:59:13 PST

I crave prawn cocktail as well as wine and steak!

Phew, just finished updating catalogue with all of Roly's Mt. Egmont's behind the ship on Universals and Dominions.

Some of those buggers are expensive!
Especially those for Penrhyn Island.

Though I did manage to win some Niuafo'ou today, though I also lost some.

C'est la vie.

Posted by djs127 ( 568

)

on Jan-31-07 at 16:49:56 PST

Paul - Do you ever go to dealer auctions in New York or New Jersey? Which ones? What do the average lots go for?
I would also like to know more about major auctions.

iomoon - I have purchased a number of small revenue collections at stamp shows before so you are correct in your assesment.
If I took all of the good stamps it would not be going for so close to the price I bought it at.

Posted by dbenson ( 7794

)

on Jan-31-07 at 16:38:28 PST

stamps54321, don't tell Paul but I passed my Prawn cocktail to my daughter, she doesn't drink any wine but I had to pay 100 Euros for her to go the dinner so I thought I may as well get my money's worth,

David B.

Posted by vinnysf ( 290

) on Jan-31-07 at 16:22:34 PST

buying album pages, taking what you want from them and selling what you dont want is what everybody on ebay does. am i wrong?

Posted by dbenson ( 7794

)

on Jan-31-07 at 15:50:50 PST

stamps54321, I can't see any steak, must have all been eaten by then,

David B.

Posted by stamps54321 ( 6 )

on Jan-31-07 at 15:47:34 PST

WOW

http://www.geocities.com/mellowits/judge.jpg

Posted by dbenson ( 7794

)

on Jan-31-07 at 15:47:03 PST

Paul, thanks, in the meantime please only state facts not what your opinions are,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7794

)

on Jan-31-07 at 15:45:52 PST

Paul please read carefully, I will type it in large letters so that you may be able to understand,

THE COLLECTORS THAT PLACE THEIR ENTRIES IN EXHIBITIONS PAY FOR THE PRIVILEGE. IT IS ABOUT $50 A FRAME PLUS OTHER COSTS. THAT PAYS FOR THE EXPENSES. THAT IS MUCH MORE THAN WHAT THE JUDGES EXPENSES ARE AND BY THE WAY DIRECTORS DON'T GET PAID, THEY DONATE THEIR TIME AND USUALLY ALL THEIR EXPENSES,

David B.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jan-31-07 at 15:44:07 PST

DAVID B. ----I will have the final audit report for Wash.2006 soon ,we can go over it ...

Posted by peterc8888 ( 295

) on Jan-31-07 at 15:40:39 PST

Paul

I'm interested to know more about how to make money in stamps. Can you elaborate your suggestion to DJS including more detail like initial investment and ROI?

PC

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-31-07 at 15:37:34 PST

DJS

What you are describing is probably done by all of the larger dealers on eBay. Except they take the cream and leave the dregs.
You are only taking what you want and leaving what you dont want.
Fortunately, you found buyers that wanted what you didn't want.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jan-31-07 at 15:36:56 PST

DAVID B. -----Were do you think the money to pay judges and directors expenses come from ,surely not the cheap philatelist who wouldn't even pay to park his car or pay to enter a stamp exhibit.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jan-31-07 at 15:28:17 PST

DJS----You need to back up for a minute ,first your competing against collectors for the material .Second your paying someone who is most likely making a profit from you .

Now if you go with me to one of the major auction firms ,not a regional or local auction house .Then me and you can look over a stock,inventory or a estate that the bigger dealers are trying to buy and we can slap them around and take the material away from them.That is the kind of thinking you need to make money in stamps not buying something in its third generation of ownership ....paul

Posted by dbenson ( 7791

)

on Jan-31-07 at 15:26:44 PST

Paul, the fees the dealers pay are for the costs of ther area and the costs of fitting the stands and various ancillary costs. It has nothing to do with judges expenses, if you want to check have a look at an Exhibition budget. I have been on many Exhibition committees and know how budgets work,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7791

)

on Jan-31-07 at 15:22:27 PST

Paul, I don't eat shrimp and I paid for the resort stay. All I got was a room during the judging time and I had to pay extra for the family.

As I said you know nothing about judging and you are wrong again as the costs of judges are from the fees collected by exhibition exhibitors. For you info I paid almost $800 for my entry to Washington and my entry in St. Petesrburg will cost me about $700, that pays for the judges costs.

Please get some facts right as you look silly every time you rant and rave about things you know nothing about,

David B.

Posted by djs127 ( 568

)

on Jan-31-07 at 15:19:49 PST

I think I found a great way of getting stamps you need on Ebay. Buy a country collection on album pages, take the stamps you need from it - scan in the pages with stamps and write the scott numbers in your description and the total scott value. Then put it back on Ebay. I did that with the Revenue collection I have on Ebay now and with 4 days to go its almost at the price I bought the original collection at.
Of course if you take too many stamps this won't work.
David Snyder

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jan-31-07 at 15:16:53 PST

DAVID B. ----Your statement "Iam not interested in anything about dealers paticipation in shows " is a lot which keeps us at odds .Who do you think paid for that seaside resort your family stayed at in Spain .While you were eating jumbo shirmp by the pool all day and going out in the eveing for wine and steak -----well it was the table fees to the stamp dealers ---duh---

Posted by dbenson ( 7791

)

on Jan-31-07 at 14:58:30 PST

Paul, pps. to show that you haven't got a clue what you are talking about Sandafayre has nothing to do with Rossiters " Stamp Atlas " they are just repeating the comments in the book which is an excellent publication, full of facts none of which are incorrect,

David B.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jan-31-07 at 14:58:27 PST

STAMP COMPANY NEEDS PROOF READER ------Can someone let EARL P.L. APFELBAUM INC. stamp auctions know that there is no stamp called COW IN A SNOW STORM .NEWSPAPER AD ....paul

Posted by dbenson ( 7791

)

on Jan-31-07 at 14:55:37 PST

Paul, ps. I am not interested in anything about dealers participation in shows, they always want more than they are entitled to and then complain when the costs are high and their sales are low because of the price hikes they put on at showtime.

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7791

)

on Jan-31-07 at 14:53:08 PST

Paul, will just add your comments to the data base of your comments that you refuse to acknoweldge you have made mistakes.

What I said is that you know nothing about judging at London 2010, moving to larger premises has been discussed in all the magazines, one day you will get some facts right but I have no idea when that will be,

David B.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jan-31-07 at 14:47:27 PST

DAVID B. -----Your selling but im not buying it. Sandafayre's article is questionable ,because the firm just rewrote the information that is in the Gibbons catalog ,nothing new or different .Im sure you know that firm doesn't employ or hire the sharpes pencils in the box .....

On another subject that i don't know anything about LONDON 2010 or at least you said so six months ago ,we now have the stamp dealers asking the Royal Mail to move the stamp show to a bigger convention hall ------SHOCKING ---They sent a letter Dec 6,2006 and this chat room had information about this 5 months ago .

Posted by peterc8888 ( 295

) on Jan-31-07 at 14:31:13 PST

Alec

Although I don't participate in the ABC show, I really like what have been shown. I think you should repeat the ABC show. At the same time, I think it will be great to see shows of some specific topics such as variations (color, error, ...) of an issue, fancy cancels, and perfins. For the specific topics, it will be invaluable if in-depth information is provided.

PC

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jan-31-07 at 14:27:57 PST

DUNCAN The theories and writting of Milton Friedman about personal and economic freedom is the story of my adult life . It was his wife and his writting that influenced my friend Leo Melamed to organize a group of young guys into a group called by others as "MARKET WIZARDS or YOUNG TURKS " .

We started the International Monetary Market ,and the beginning of trading paper.It didn't matter what you called it Pounds,Yen,Euro-dollar,interest rates or plywood we traded it and made money and money we did make .So much so the government try to control it .But Mr. Friedman went before Congress and told them as a economist ,they could regulate it but not control it .

He influenced much of the free markets in many places .He made many friends and will be missed but his theories and writtings are influencing all nations

Posted by dbenson ( 7791

)

on Jan-31-07 at 13:56:34 PST

Alec, thinking about it, I would think it would be best if it just continued with alphabetical, that way anyone can show whatever they like also I am not in favour of judging, just showing and explaining why the item is being shown,

David B.

Posted by peetah ( 460

) on Jan-31-07 at 13:28:24 PST

Grrrr Linda

Posted by peetah ( 460

) on Jan-31-07 at 13:27:23 PST

Thanks font color=fuchsia> Linda that makes sense. I'll wait to see if roly confirms it, before I repaste them right side up. (just joshing)

Posted by infla-alec ( 506

)

on Jan-31-07 at 13:26:46 PST

After ABC I also quite like the proposed ideas for using the numbers 1-10, Continental showing, Postal history week once a month, a thematic showing, and some sort of beauty contest. How we start any or all of these ideas I will leave to others to decide.
If possible I'd like to see something where everyone can place their vote to decide the winner of any category we may adopt.

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-31-07 at 13:18:05 PST

sayasan… Well then, never mind!!

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-31-07 at 13:16:56 PST

I could go on and on—

Charles II, facing right.
James II, facing left.
William III, facing right.
Anne (minus a little brainpower), facing left.

Jim

Posted by sayasan ( 587

)

on Jan-31-07 at 13:13:57 PST

Except - just found images of an Edward VIII sixpence, shilling, florin and crown, and he's facing left, like George V before him and George VI after him .... So what happened to the alternation there? Maybe that's what happens if you don't follow the tradition. Everything goes pear-shaped and you end up abdicating. Spooky.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Jan-31-07 at 13:12:18 PST

peetah I can't comment on that particular booklet, but from memory NZ booklets in general have the stamps attached by selvedge and were from ordinary sheets, not specially printed sheets and are often 'inverted' to use the right hand selvedge for attaching.
Maybe Roly will look in later and check his CP for you.

Linda

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-31-07 at 13:07:23 PST

sayasan… Oh my—

George I, facing right.
George II, facing left.

Jim

Posted by sayasan ( 587

)

on Jan-31-07 at 13:04:06 PST

jaywild - Yes, of course - I forgot about Ed VIII, which threw me. Not so arcane, after all ...

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-31-07 at 13:02:46 PST

sayasan… And here’s further evidence—

George III, facing right.
George IV, facing left.

Jim

Posted by peetah ( 460

) on Jan-31-07 at 13:00:45 PST

New Zealand booklet I have SG booklet SB 39 (has 10 SG No. 1370 type 460 .25 rosine colored of Queen) Scott 828 Illustration A298. Booklet cover of Tongariro National Park, North Island, New Zealand, which extends from the back of the cover across the front.
Info sought Is it usual for this booklet, to have the 10 stamps inside of the Queen to be upside down in relation to the booklet cover?
I think I have it correct, but not certain of the SG number as I was not able to view a picture with SG online catalog.
Asked this before but missed the answer.

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-31-07 at 12:55:40 PST

sayasan… Well, perhaps the facing of the profile on the coin is simple alternation.

William IV, facing right.
Victoria, facing left.
Edward VII, facing right.
George VI, facing left.
Edward VIII, facing right (were any coins of his struck? Probably not.)
George VI, facing left
Elizabeth II, facing right.

Jim

Posted by sayasan ( 587

)

on Jan-31-07 at 12:43:35 PST

Iomoon - On GB stamps, everyone faces left, from the penny black onwards. Except that in recent decades, GB stamp designers, in the interests of post-modernism or whatever, have felt free to reverse the small profiles used in the corner of commemoratives, purely for the sake of the design, i.e. so that she doesn't face towards the nearer edge of the stamp. But on coins, it's Elizabeth, Ed VII and William IV facing right, everyone else back to George IV inclusive facing left. Before that, I'm not sure offhand. I'm sure there's some arcane ultra-Brit reason for that, but right now, I don't recall what it is ...

Posted by paperhistory ( 1970

)

on Jan-31-07 at 12:39:03 PST

roly: nice. At home I have a wonderful shot of comet Hale-Bopp (probably the most generally visible comet in the US for a long time) over my in-laws house [in rural Ohio southwest of Toledo], done as a time-lapse shot with a brief "painting" of the house with a flashlight so it can be seen.

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3352

)

on Jan-31-07 at 12:37:48 PST

Some observations about this morning's snowdazzle:

Dogs like snow much better than cats.

Cats don't like it at all.

Cows don't care.

Jeff

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-31-07 at 12:31:34 PST

NOIP..... No need to be jealous but THIS is what lights up our night sky at the moment. Very spectacular indeed and has lead to reports of a plne going down somewhere over the horizon.
cheers
Roly

Posted by dbenson ( 7791

)

on Jan-31-07 at 12:23:44 PST

D1,

did " Fletch " get in touch with you about displaying Cape revenues,

David B.

Posted by stamphick! ( 334

) on Jan-31-07 at 11:26:35 PST

duncan_doenitz...It might be more correct to say that Milton Friedman influenced Chicago than vice versa. Chile is one example of where he had influence, you might want to check out Estonia too.

Posted by de66 ( 1034

) on Jan-31-07 at 10:58:51 PST

DB

Many thanks i will forward the link

DE

Posted by dbenson ( 7791

)

on Jan-31-07 at 10:10:47 PST

22028, Gibbons doesn't mention any difference between mnh. & lhm. & I don't think it would make much dfference as collectors of those aren't into mnh. against lhm.

The current cat. value is 40 Pounds if perf. 12 or 180 Pounds if perf. 12 1/2.

The cat. value of watermark type B on native paper is 2.75 Pounds,

David B.

Posted by 22028 ( 1550

)

on Jan-31-07 at 10:03:43 PST

David, Thanks..., do you know the current SG value of that stamp in MNH?

Posted by dbenson ( 7791

)

on Jan-31-07 at 10:00:45 PST

22028, I can make out the shape of the watermark, it is at the base of the stamp and also encroaches onto the margin. It does appear to be the better stamp, type C, s.g. 46d.

David B.

Posted by 22028 ( 1550

)

on Jan-31-07 at 09:50:08 PST

Even if the saying is wise to consider always the cheaper version of a stamp in case a cheap and expensive exists, I believe this is of Watermark 2, Type C of Travancore (SG No. 46d). The stamp discussed today morning. It is a 600 dpi scan of the back, but the watermark is visible..., maybe someone can enhance the image a bit to make the watermark clearer...
http://fuchs-online.com/auction/travancore46d.jpg

Posted by duncan_doenitz ( 109

) on Jan-31-07 at 09:27:46 PST

First, this is NOT A TROLL MESSAGE, but it is a bit off topic.

Did anyone see the recent show on PBS that aired in my region a couple nights ago about Milton Friedman and his economic theories and accomplishments?

As stamp collectors, it relates to us in a lot of ways, for example in the historic economic changes we see reflected in stamps, such as runaway inflation and in prosperity and politics.

Anyway, stamps12345 I especially thought of you as I watched the show, seeing the influence that Chicago had on Milton Friedman, and also wondering how much influence he has had on you!

Anyway, obviously there are a diverse range of economic theories and beliefs but I found the show to be extremely interesting.

After seeing it, I came away with the opinion that no matter whose theories you believe, the bottom line is not necessarily whether the theory is correct, but rather whether, when applied, it achieves the desired goals.

What works best, government intervention or a free market? Well during the Great Depression, for example, the desired goal was to get people back to work, which stimulates the economy. Apply either of two conflicting theories, government intervention such as government work programs, or a free market system where idle garment factories go back into production making clothes for depression victims dressed in rags, and the economy recovers.

Friedman's controversial participation in Chile's economic recovery, where they were facing 1000 percent inflation, was an interesting part of the PBS show.

And today we have a prosperous China, for which he is also given a great deal of credit, although really the growth of China's economy is again the result of the production of a huge population, driven by their entrance into the modern age and probably inevitable anyway.

Just my two pfennigs.

Dunc

Posted by dbenson ( 7791

)

on Jan-31-07 at 09:20:02 PST

Paul, the 3 stamps you showed are from later printings and all would have the watermark type 3.

You forgot to answer my comments from Rossiter's Stamp Atlas about the Venezuela,

" http://www.sandafayre.com/atlas/venez.htm

Stamps inscribed ESCUELAS and INSTRUCCION were revenue stamps showing payment of a tax to finance state primary schools. They were also valid for postage until 1911 and were so used, more especially during the chaos of March 1871-August 1873 and in 1879-80. "

David B.

Posted by richwong ( 426

) on Jan-31-07 at 08:38:11 PST

vinnysf

Your stamp is Scott 618. According to Scott, the stamps in this 1945 set of 7 show green Chinese National Currency surcharges (applied at Shanghai) on black Nanking puppet government currency surcharges.

Rich

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jan-31-07 at 08:04:14 PST

RAINER ----Will post the watermark details later with explanation ,paul

Posted by vinnysf ( 290

) on Jan-31-07 at 07:31:09 PST

thanks jherek! the double overprint has me stumped too. the green overprint that is.

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3352

)

on Jan-31-07 at 07:26:50 PST

We are having a beautiful snowfall this morning, across the pastures it looks like a Frederick Remington painting.

Posted by 22028 ( 1550

)

on Jan-31-07 at 07:05:50 PST

doctor_electronics, try here... http://www.stampsofindia.com/

Posted by 22028 ( 1550

)

on Jan-31-07 at 06:46:48 PST

Paul, thanks for the link, but what description? I only see 3 different stamps which are useless unless described. Furthermore, the question was related to the watermark...

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-31-07 at 06:13:33 PST

Good day all.

V is for Villarrica.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 223

) on Jan-31-07 at 05:59:44 PST

22028----Here is a better describtion of the different types of TRAVANCORE 14 ch ,any catalog has its limits and a reference collection helps out .TRAVANCORE printing variety ......hope this helps ....paul

Posted by doctor_electronics ( 0 ) on Jan-31-07 at 05:54:24 PST

Is there any site showing write ups of Indian stamps?

Posted by doctor_electronics ( 0 ) on Jan-31-07 at 05:50:51 PST

What do the recent Indian stamps on Field post office depict?

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1207

)

on Jan-31-07 at 03:50:26 PST

Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all

In keeping with the "V" theme here’s a nicely centered Classic ear precancel from incennes, Indiana 212.

Here’s the Vincennes, Indiana 549 error where the town name is spelled Vincinnes click here.

Jim L.

Posted by claghorn1p ( 409

)

on Jan-31-07 at 03:23:58 PST

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Posted by cwhutch ( 617

)

on Jan-31-07 at 03:11:14 PST

Good morning.

D2 - Thats a very nice article you linked to I just printed me a copy for my referance.

Hutch

Posted by dbenson ( 7790

)

on Jan-31-07 at 01:49:13 PST

D1,

no prob,

http://www.gibbonsstampmonthly.com/story.asp?storycode=2255&preview=1

next question,

David B.

Posted by 22028 ( 1550

)

on Jan-31-07 at 01:47:04 PST

What I forgot to mention, I had updated my me page, an item is shown which would have fitted into the E, G, K, N, R and T category (and maybe more...) of our alphabet series...

Posted by de66 ( 1034

) on Jan-31-07 at 01:42:24 PST

Aussie Aussie Aussie

Looking for help on this query i have had sent to me, i have no reference books on the APO Base Camps:

Now perhaps you could kindly help me with an Australian cancellation 1952. It is No.8 AUST BASE.P.O. with a C at the bottom. It is address to the OC HQ Coy NZAPO 444, dated 18 DE 52. Are you able to identify your location? My location was Kure, in Japan. That would help my write up.

D1

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-31-07 at 01:17:53 PST

Anybody got a spare 10,000 bones?

Jim

Posted by 22028 ( 1550

)

on Jan-31-07 at 00:20:15 PST

David, thanks for your help. My watermark detector is back home in Germany.., guess it is time fore a business trip back home ;-)
Or, maybe better, will check with some friends here if they have a watermark detector.

Posted by dbenson ( 7790

)

on Jan-30-07 at 23:49:17 PST

22028, found a web page that shows the 3 types of watermark.

http://www.princelystates.com/EarlyWritings/ew-03-01b.shtml

s.g. 20 is type 2 whilst s.g. 46d or 46da are types 3,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7790

)

on Jan-30-07 at 23:25:48 PST

22028, is the watermark easily discernible, if so can you show it and I should be able to tell if it is s.g. 20 or s.g. 46d. which is a much scarcer stamp.

The other way of telling is that s.g. 20 is on thin wove native paper whilst s.g. 46d. is on a thicker machine made paper. Yours appears to be machine made which is perf. 12 but also exists perf. 12 1/2 which is edtremely scarce.

The difference in the watermark is that s.g. 20 has included in the design at the top horizontal lines which s.g. 46d (perf. 12) or 46da (perf. 12 1/2) doesn't.

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7790

)

on Jan-30-07 at 23:19:10 PST

22028,

the online version is only simplified, they most probably list the 14ch. as. s.g. 20. Gibbons list 3 types of the Conch watermark, the 14ch. exists with the 2nd. & 3rd. types.

David B.

Posted by 22028 ( 1550

)

on Jan-30-07 at 23:18:26 PST

Further to my earlier post as follows:
I have a stamp from the Indian State Travancore Anchal, apparently SG-No. 46d (Michel-No. 19y). It is a 14 chuckrams, orange color. But I do not find the No. 46 or even 46d at allworldstamps.com. Who can help?
I have uploded an image on my server, hope that helps.
http://fuchs-online.com/auction/travancore-anchal19y.jpg

Posted by jherek99 ( 368

) on Jan-30-07 at 21:57:35 PST

vinnysf.

The black overprint looks like a 1946-1947 Nationalist issue. Can't help with the green overprint tho'

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-30-07 at 21:47:34 PST

IO Here you go ... knock yourself out :-)
Water Marks for the New Zealand Penny Universal.
ALL inverted, reversed and inverted/reversed examples found MUST be sent to me, no questions asked :0) (please? pretty please?)
Cheers
Roly

Posted by 22028 ( 1550

)

on Jan-30-07 at 21:42:09 PST

Greetings. I have a stamp from the Indian State Travancore Anchal, apparently SG-No. 46d (Michel-No. 19y). It is a 14 chuckrams, orange color. But I do not find the No. 46 or even 46d at allworldstamps.com. Who can help?

Posted by vinnysf ( 290

) on Jan-30-07 at 21:31:53 PST

"v" is for ST. Vincent

Posted by vinnysf ( 290

) on Jan-30-07 at 21:28:43 PST

can anyone help with the overprints on this sun yat-sen ?? much appreciated

Posted by dbenson ( 7790

)

on Jan-30-07 at 21:01:10 PST

Billsey, regarding who's on who and what continent is a country in reminds me of one of your areas. Turkey although most of it is in Asia including the capital most of the philatelic world excluding Ebay) consider it part of Europe. It was even known as the sick man of Europe for the period leading up to WWI,

David B.

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-30-07 at 20:57:26 PST

billsey Do you have a Campbell Patterson catalogue?
You can identify the forgeries very easily from the catalogue. Other than that try and get a copy of The Postage Stamps of New Zealand Volume 1.
cheers
Roly

Posted by billsey ( 840

) on Jan-30-07 at 20:43:36 PST

Roly, I only have one of the Auckland Exhibition, and it's the cheapest and easiest to find, but unfortunately it's not used. :-(

Posted by billsey ( 840

) on Jan-30-07 at 20:42:00 PST

Fun game Roger, though I can see how it's going to be tough to beat about 30 seconds... (I did 49 on my second attempt.)

I really like the thought of continuing the A-Z with various characters from other alphabets, though it might be tough to think of which one should go next (does ? come before ??) Number will be fun as well, unless we go overboard and try 0-64000 or something. I also like the ideas like Knud-Erik's stamp types or David's continents (though then we're liable to fall back to the old which are continents argument).

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-30-07 at 20:36:56 PST

Steph… Welcome back! Don’t be so scarce in the future!!!

Jim

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-30-07 at 20:31:42 PST

billsey Word of caution however... Treat ALL Auckland Exhibition overprints with suspicion. I still prefer VFU examples for the reasons given BUT if the cancel does not cross the overprint then I am immediately on the watch.
Cheers
Roly

Posted by breffington ( 344

) on Jan-30-07 at 20:27:41 PST

1877mickfuna-I prefaced what I said with,"by and large" and yes it is possible that there may be some better airmail covers in the lot. They will be spotted by potential bidders from the scans you include with the lot and they bid accordingly. If you strip them out, assuming you DO have some, then the lot will be next to useless to any but a newbe. When you look in a catalog and see a price it bears almost no relation to what you will realize on ebay. Mostly it will be a small fraction of that figure.Please scroll back to the yellow box for more info on valuations. As to postcards what do you mean by very old? Very old would be around 1900-1910. They could have value mostly in the $1-5 retail range. If they are of common scenes like Niagara Falls, Florida, California, and just general views of big cities probably not. However if they are of specific streets or of locomotives or ships could be worth more. Stamp collectors like them used and postcard collectors like them unused.This is a short course on the market and should not be taken as the last word. Others on the board may add their thoughts. A great deal of knowledge here to be had. Good luck. Off to bed. Frank

Posted by malolo ( 835

)

on Jan-30-07 at 20:25:00 PST

Aloha Stephanie -
Welcome back. I'll bet you have some news for us curmudgeons. Maybe you can suggest a new format for showing philatelic items. In case you haven't ahd a chance, for the past 24 weeks we've been showiung items according to the letters of the alphabet. We are proposing various new ideas to continue the theme.

For those of you who can't think of anyhting constructive to do these next few days, I present this to test your skills:
http://flash.abunawaf.com/2005/12/game33.swf

Get back with us about Saturday. 1, 2, 3 LOL.

Roger

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-30-07 at 20:21:59 PST

billsey There are a few forgeries around and that is why I prefer to collect VFU stamps of this series.
It is vey easy to see if the cancel is above or below the overprint :-)
NHM I treat with suspicion.
cheers
Roly

Posted by redsteph711 ( 125

)

on Jan-30-07 at 20:16:51 PST

Wow, I had a great belly laugh trying to read the longish incomprehensible posts of yesterday eve,
and responses thereto.

Hello to All!

Posted by 1877mickfuna ( 13

)

on Jan-30-07 at 20:13:18 PST

Good Lord - thought I would go blind with the black book looking for values - I just clicked on the bank notes - secret marks section - you gotta love looking for detail to be into this hobby.

Posted by 1877mickfuna ( 13

)

on Jan-30-07 at 20:08:35 PST

Thanks Frank. Okay I also have some post cards - unused and very old. As well as unused stamped envelopes - is there a good resourse to find their value? or are they common as well? Also what about Airmail first day covers - same story?

Posted by horadam1 ( 433

)

on Jan-30-07 at 20:07:48 PST

Da Bears.....

Posted by breffington ( 344

) on Jan-30-07 at 20:05:45 PST

1877mickfuna- By and large your first day covers are VERY common and a drug on the market. Too many issued and too many still floating around that keeps the prices low. Sell them as a group on ebay and start it low with lots of pictures and see where it goes. Or take it to a charity and get a tax deduction for it. Don't spend too much time on it. It ain't worth it. Frank

Posted by breffington ( 344

) on Jan-30-07 at 20:02:19 PST

If someone will email me who has knowledge of USA parcel post rates on incoming foreign mail I would appreciate hearing from you. I will send a scan to see if you can tell me what the story of these two pieces are. I'd put it up on the board except I have not mastered how to upload pictures to this site. Thanks Frank

Posted by 1877mickfuna ( 13

)

on Jan-30-07 at 20:00:46 PST

I have a large (couple of hundred) collection of first day covers - from the forty's to the sixty's - I have bought this silly book to try to discover their value but have almost gone blind and frankly haven't gotten as much figured out as I had hoped. Any suggestions as to where else to look or is it best to just sell them as a lot?

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-30-07 at 19:27:00 PST

Paolo… Very interesting—I too have been ambivalent about Czeslaw Slania. To me some of his engraving is stiff, as if he were working on too small a scale, but on the other hand it can be quite grand.

Jim

Posted by billsey ( 840

) on Jan-30-07 at 19:14:28 PST

Roly, I've just been assuming that those fuzzy versions of the OFFICIAL. overprint were forgeries... Now I'm going to have to go back and try to find them again. :-)

I have examples of the Aitutaki and Samoa overprints, but unfortunately they're packed up with everything else.

Since Mitch used them for the U catagory, here's my (significantly less complete) Upper Volta collection.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Jan-30-07 at 17:53:42 PST

ARRGH.....Lombardy Venetia

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Jan-30-07 at 17:52:12 PST

Hi Paolo ! I think you might agree with me that this would be hard to beat for one of the prettiest pages. Wish I had the other strip.

V might well = Lombardy Venetia

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-30-07 at 17:29:20 PST

Roly

Aitutaki and Samoa are not figments of imagination, they exist.

Dang, just when I think I found them all, you manage to find more for me.

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1207

)

on Jan-30-07 at 17:26:17 PST

I like the idea of 1-10, excluding the denomination. We could also have the first week of each month for Postal History items from that month. By the time we’ve finished up these we could go on to the Non-English “A-B-Cs” and by then someone should have had another brainstorm for postings.

In keeping with the "V" theme here’s an Airmail stamp you don’t see precanceled very often, a 734 from Van Buren, Indiana.

Jim L.

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-30-07 at 17:16:03 PST

Does anyone have any idea as to why the British monarch is most frequently ( about 90% of the time) looking to the left?

Is it a political statement?

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-30-07 at 17:13:29 PST

IO I was sure I had Overprints of Aitutaki and Samoa as well......but...... can't find them or they were a figment of my imagination.
Maybe David B. would have a copy of each (wink wink nudge nudge... mate)
Cheers,
Roly

Posted by dbenson ( 7790

)

on Jan-30-07 at 17:11:37 PST

Just came across a note about banning extended auctions, din't even know they existed,

http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200701.shtml#2007-01-29140119

David B.

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-30-07 at 16:59:41 PST

Roly

I saw the new link and already ~~stole~~ "borrowed" the images.

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-30-07 at 16:51:12 PST

IO Thank you for the helpful suggestion Jim. I will add the watermarks to the appropriate pages. Just goes to show that familiarity can easily led to assumption !!!.
I did add another page last night which can be reached from the home page called Other Uses for the Penny Universal
Cheers,
Roly

Posted by stamphick! ( 334

) on Jan-30-07 at 16:50:04 PST

thebriguy1...AOL is allowing you to keep your email for no charge.

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-30-07 at 16:31:27 PST

Roly

Might I suggest that you possibly add drawings of the W6 and W7 watermarks to your website.
Not everyone owns a Campbell-Paterson.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Jan-30-07 at 16:20:44 PST

alec f.y.i. I like the numbers 1-10 idea, the 'something from the current month' idea, and the continents... over to YOU!
L.

Posted by greenwave4u ( 71

) on Jan-30-07 at 15:33:12 PST

Alec Just a note to say well done for the ABC's and your dedication and efforts for monitoring it. I for one have thoroughly enjoyed the viewings.
I for one would suggest if we did numbers just limit it to the numbers one to ten but exclude the demonination value.

Alternatively we could really stir up a debate and post different colours and shades.............:-)

cheers

Peter

Posted by vonbag ( 170

)

on Jan-30-07 at 15:21:44 PST

P.S. in the contest of which below, you can ONLY participate with pieces of your you OWN, fruits of the swet on your own forehead (or of "bargains" ;-))!
Absolutely not with those taken from auction catalogues or specific philatelic literature -- which We might expect from a someone, for sponsoring reasons, also if you make the rare effort (according to statistics) of mentioning the origin of the "MATERIAL" or the provenance of your potential "IDEOLOGICAL THEFT". We, in the group, do know our stuff, quite well: we may easily come to know what you have and what you do not have. Cheating is barely possible (I for one, am one of the greatest dangers to internet plagiation, which meets my utter DISGUST and DISAPPROVAL).

All the best, Paolo

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-30-07 at 15:18:15 PST

Paolo

has pointed out what is what I think the prettiest stamp, but I don't own one.

Soooo, I'll go with the second prettiest, that I do own, and it fits into the "V" category.

George V

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Jan-30-07 at 15:10:27 PST

Well guys, AOL can hoot and holler all they want. I'm on standard $10 per month dial up with them, no contract. If they play the keep billing me game, I can always block them at my bank with a click or two of the mouse. As for their software, I've been playing with their broadband access today (free), and its running good so far (and oh so fast), with no glitches.

I have A LOT of people (including not so savy internet relatives) that know how to contact me via my AOL e-mail address. I certainly want to keep it if possible. I also have enjoyed some of the other perks AOL offers.

Of course, this perception may change when I call up and say "kill the paid dial up service". I doubt they'll scream too loud as AOL offered broadband of any kind is still not offered in this area. Quite frankly, I suspect they are quite used to people like me terminating their dial up in certain areas.

We'll see........

Posted by dbenson ( 7788

)

on Jan-30-07 at 15:07:36 PST

alec, how about continent divisions,

Africa
Asia
Australia (including Oceania & Antarctica)
Europe
North America
South America

David B.

Posted by wrd3 ( 99

) on Jan-30-07 at 14:55:50 PST

A couple other suggestions for show-and-tell:

1. Pick a country to show off for a week

2 Pick a type of stamp to show off for a week (definitive, commemorative, souvenir sheet, Parcel Post, air mail, semipostal, etc)

3. Show off a topical area for a week (perhaps with the winner selecting the topic for next week).

4. Postal history, where the item was postmarked during the month (or week). Maybe have Postal History once per month, showing off items postmarked for that month.

Bill D.

Posted by vonbag ( 170

)

on Jan-30-07 at 14:48:05 PST

PS, as I have demostrated regarding the "Europe Category" linked on this board, even jury members can participate to the contest. Then, at the end, obviously, what they can't do, is to give their vote in one of those sub- sections where they participated.

Posted by infla-alec ( 506

)

on Jan-30-07 at 14:41:51 PST

So far the only suggestion to follow on from the current ABC show is to try and link up something numerical as suggested by Richard W I believe.
For it to work we need to agree on a method for it to be operated on and so give people time to get their thinking caps on.

Or we start the ABC again but this time the link has to be in a non English speaking term. eg A could be Ägypten which is simply German for Egypt. The language link could be anything except English. Just an idea so feel free to throw in your 2 cents worth. Even post ideas that may seem stupid. My idea of the ABC show at first was something I thought would never work but the board has done itself proud by showing the vast amount of material we all collect.
Things only are ever successful here with the efforts of everyone and not just a few.
Bedtime here so I'll try and read back again tomorrow and hopefully see that Roly has accepted the award and will be jury for the V showings.

Posted by vonbag ( 170

)

on Jan-30-07 at 14:34:12 PST

Err.:
"every member is asked to contribute with an unused stamp, a used one an a postal object": 39 categories, 39 possibilities.

I never liked to work of Slania, redundantly philatelic products, baroc engraved stamps, and all such like.
I am being quite strict (you can read nasty) with my votes. Sometimes I, like everybody else member of jury, may comment the object, publically.

Posted by vonbag ( 170

)

on Jan-30-07 at 14:27:33 PST

Jim (Jaywild),

I am one of the jury members in that (preceding and to come) contest. It extends to all Italian Area, including the more significant -- in my opinion -- sections relative to Italian States: every member is asked to contribute with an unused stamps (eventually never hinged, like the 1 pound of GB showed below).
Every member can participate.
As for me, I cannot vote for mint and used in the "Europe section" in the next voting session.

I admit the used postage stamp you voted is remarckable.
De gustibus...

All the best,
Paolo

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-30-07 at 14:23:57 PST

Thank you Alec, IO, Linda. I really enjoyed presenting "U" for Universals. It is an ongoing project which will take years to complete (if ever).
I will be happy to "judge" this weeks V's. There have been some really nice entries already, so keep them coming :-)
Cheers
Roly

Posted by knuden ( 2191

)

on Jan-30-07 at 14:15:31 PST

The page vonbag showed (thanks Paolo and hi!) gives me an idea to what to do after the A to Z contest.
What about making a beauty contest. Not only the most beautyful philatelic item but split it up in:

The most beautyful....

Unperfed stamp
Perfed stamp
Perfin
Cancel
Precancel
Prestamp cover
Cover wirh stamp(s)
Postal stationery
Etc.

More subject can be added but don't make it so narrow that only few can take part.
As usual the winner of the weeks beauty will be the judge of next weeks beauty and so on.

What about this idea?

K.E

I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-30-07 at 14:14:27 PST

Pat

There is, however, a "missent to Derby" for letters addressed to (London)Derry.

Posted by patcurragh ( 3 ) on Jan-30-07 at 14:06:05 PST

Jim in Indiana, thank you for your note on Ireland PH. Thought there might be a mother loade out there! I have returned to stamp collecting 5 years ago, 3 years collecting Ireland PH, on semi-retirement. Also collect BC and Europe to 1970s. I guess I need to keep looking on eBay and dealing with the usual suspects on this side of the Pond.

All, regarding "Missent to Ireland", if I may be permitted. I have checked "Irish Postmarks Since 1840", James MacKay 1982 and "Irish Philately" journal 1971 to date. There is no record of such a handstamp applied in Ireland, period! If applied abroad, there will also be an Irish PO stamp. This will be "Missent to (City)", generally Dublin for foreign mail up about 1920s. Later various type "Return To...." stamps were used. From late 1970s multi-purpose stamps and recently lables were used in English and French. Anything else is an unrecorded rarity and multiple examples, truly remarkable!

JD, the Icelandic PO might have problems with "Cuirte in Earraid go h'Eireann" or some such, particularly if Gaelic script used. We are reasonably proficient in English, unlike some.

The Irish Jury vote Dud!

Pat

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-30-07 at 14:05:56 PST

dragon... I agree, quite lovely color.

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-30-07 at 14:03:35 PST

Hmmm… I could be wrong, but this looks like the work of Ima Shill.

Jim

Posted by dragonstamps ( 443

) on Jan-30-07 at 13:44:21 PST

I shouldn't have zoomed in so much... but it still looks nice to me.

Posted by dragonstamps ( 443

) on Jan-30-07 at 13:42:58 PST

This one is nice...
Sweden

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Jan-30-07 at 13:40:19 PST

Good morning all from a sunny Melbourne.

JayJim oh my!! yes, what a wonderful stamp, perfectly cancelled.. a delight indeed.

Jeff thanks for your showings, some days the html just does not do as you tell it to!.. thanks for persevering~

Roly Congratulations on a well deserved Win. Thats 2 wins to NZ in one day, as your cricketers did well in Perth too.

alec thanks for stepping in on the 'judging'. I actually spent time yesterday looking thru for my W & X as well as a few Vs
V is for VR / Queen Victoria this 1890 Jubilee envelope is a prime example of the paper shortages in England during the War. Posted in Putney London on 29 May, 1942 with a 2½d KGV stamp added, and addressed to Witney, is was obviously used as the writer had no other paper to hand. During this period many ‘turned’ envelopes can also be found, and make an interesting collection in themselves.

Linda

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-30-07 at 13:25:32 PST

Paolo… I vote for this one in the “beauty contest”, even though my vote doesn’t count. Wow, what lovely engraving…

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-30-07 at 13:20:08 PST

briguy… My advice to you re: AOL is to reiterate to them very firmly that you are terminating your service with them, otherwise I guarantee you will keep getting billed on your credit card. Once you have terminated service, uninstall any of their software you installed, then comb through your hard drive for any file with an AOL in it, and delete it. Their software (and spyware) is designed to gum up a computer if you try to use any other ISP. Trust me, I’ve been there, and it was a nightmare on all fronts.

Jim

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-30-07 at 13:07:29 PST

Unfortunately, Burt, the road grader who took out the fiber-optic cable not only took out the internet and obviously all long distance calls, but also our long-distance learning classes, the 911 system, the ATM machines, credit card payments in stores and particularly gas stations. When you are 30 miles from the next gas station with no cash, the last one can be a big problem.

I think Roly was a great choice for winner of the "U" week.

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Jan-30-07 at 12:52:37 PST

Hiya Hoyt, Welcome back! As far as I can tell, Ebay has not improved one bit in the last 6 years or so.
Corporate monsters do not often increase their humanistic considerations, except of course to their stock holders.
I think one of the fatalistic problems with this world is that corporations have more rights than people. It's really all about the "holy buck".

Posted by infla-alec ( 506

)

on Jan-30-07 at 12:25:20 PST

U Seeing as how the T winner has not responded to the request to judge the U's I would like to step in again and award the U to a very richly deserved Roly simply for the vast amount of effort put in to sharing with us all his wonderful study of the NZ Penny Universal stamps. Very rarely have I ever seen anyone go into such depth on a single stamp issue.
Now remember everyone any multiples found of this stamp you know who will give them a new home !!!
Rainer Sorry I don't have a moneybookers account.

Posted by stamphick! ( 334

) on Jan-30-07 at 12:06:24 PST

Brian...You are in for a real treat when you go to cancel AOL. Unless they have made major changes in their support staff policies you will end up hollering, getting angry and threatening legal action before they finally stop your service.

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Jan-30-07 at 11:59:44 PST

Ahhh OK. The latest MicroSoft offering. Nope, so far XP seems to be working wonderfully. I did use Firefox as the browser though......

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Jan-30-07 at 11:57:32 PST

Bob in WA I haven't even the slightest clue what that is.

Posted by rclwa ( 949

) on Jan-30-07 at 11:56:06 PST

Brian -- Are you going all the way and picking up a copy of (V is for) VISTA, that goes on sale today?

Bob in WA

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Jan-30-07 at 11:35:17 PST

Wheeeee! I'm posting this message via a high speed TCP! Thats right, der Briguy has rejoined the 21st century! Oh man, I almost forgot how wonderful it is. Why now I can watch live streaming VIDEOS......of uhm, well,...stamps. thats my story and I'm sticking to it. LOL!.

Now for the fun. Next task is to call up the AOL people and tell them to go pound sand. However, I'll try to do this nicely as possible, as I'd sort of like to keep e-mail address most of you have.

Life is good again. :o)

Posted by hoytier ( 347

)

on Jan-30-07 at 11:26:28 PST

Greetings to all:)

I took a year off to concentrate on my model building. Nice to see that several of the regulars are still on the board. When I last viewed the board a year ago there was discussion about ebay and listing charge. I have recieved serveral offers to go to new sites for stamp auctions since that discussion. Has things got any better?

Posted by vonbag ( 170

)

on Jan-30-07 at 09:50:12 PST

Oh well, make that "fifth tournament"....

Posted by vonbag ( 170

)

on Jan-30-07 at 09:48:58 PST

Jim (IO),
At the seventh post on this page, a friend posted something that you might like (it's a beauty contest, the page is relative to the fourth tournament in the Europe category).

Greetings, Paolo

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3345

)

on Jan-30-07 at 09:36:44 PST

Jules Verne

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3345

)

on Jan-30-07 at 09:35:50 PST

venda

vocano

volleyball

verne

Posted by vonbag ( 170

)

on Jan-30-07 at 09:35:44 PST

Hello Sheryll,

Many Thanks for your wonderful Greetings card / letter with a present!!!
I received it with a small delay, 't was meant to arrive for Christmas time.
This time I really have no sloth (or due to my atrocious procrastinating mindset :-() excuse, I will try to reply adequately.

All the best,
Paolo

P.S. for something different, still philatelic:
Italy 1924, Genuine and Forgery

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3345

)

on Jan-30-07 at 09:33:56 PST

venezuela

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3345

)

on Jan-30-07 at 09:32:57 PST

vietnam

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3345

)

on Jan-30-07 at 09:32:10 PST

dammmmmmmm

Posted by soggy333 ( 54

) on Jan-30-07 at 09:23:12 PST

If one has 20 copies each of 3 stamps,each with a catalog value of say $20, what possible sense does it make to put all of them up as a single lot?

Posted by soggy333 ( 54

) on Jan-30-07 at 09:17:21 PST

I see a British seller warning not to send coins in the mail as payment because of pilferage. Americans may steal and Germans may stehlen but they will never pilfer. Only Normans do that. One of my American politician buddies was fond of quoting Tweed. "I never steal anything I cannot fold".

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3345

)

on Jan-30-07 at 09:13:01 PST

I apologize for the triple (?) spacing, not intentional

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3345

)

on Jan-30-07 at 09:10:55 PST

1992 Vietnam postage and meter to Voice of America

It has been a while since I participated in the alphabet show so, V is for:

Israel & Czech Republic Volleyball stamps on cover

Zaire volcano stamps on cover

Cameroun Jules Verne stamp on cover

Venezuela revenue stamps permitted for postage 1947

Venda registered business reply envelope

Jeff (hoping all works correctly)

Posted by nomad55 ( 861

)

on Jan-30-07 at 08:10:12 PST

Doofus du jour....

http://cgi.ebay.com/1915-SCOTT-401-WITH-PAN-AM-EXPO-STATION-CANCEL-COVER_W0QQitemZ220076733320QQihZ012QQcategoryZ689QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

There are at least 3 major screw ups in this listing.
How much trouble would it be to consult a Scotts US specialized, and maybe do some proofreading on your wording?

Posted by 22028 ( 1549

)

on Jan-30-07 at 07:40:16 PST

May I repeat my question. Is someone here having a moneybookers account and could transfer a few US-$ (22,16) for me? Prompt settlement (paypal etc...) is ensured.

Posted by 22028 ( 1549

)

on Jan-30-07 at 07:33:04 PST

And congratulation to the Football National Team of the United Arab Emirates for their victory of the Gulf cup. It will be a noisy night here in the UAE...

Posted by oggilby ( 1179

)

on Jan-30-07 at 07:23:44 PST

This is a liitle late for the P listing, but today I'm investigating a survey mark named POSTAGE STAMP USFS, located on Postage Stamp Butte in Oregon.

Posted by oggilby ( 1179

)

on Jan-30-07 at 06:59:16 PST

Greetings to all from a cold (26 F), clear, Central Maryland!

Congrats Knuden--Now you'll have a realy nice retirement! Plus, money money to buy more of those interesting WWII covers.

Io/Jim--Local constructors severed a cable line around here, repaired it with electricans tape and re-buried the cable as if nothing had happened.

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-30-07 at 06:41:47 PST

Good day all.

V is for Vitu Levu.

Posted by knuden ( 2191

)

on Jan-30-07 at 06:30:44 PST

I'm rich - free beers to all on the balcony!!

"THE COCA COLA COMPANY PROMOTION/PRIZE AWARD
DEPT COCA COLA AVENUE
STANFORD BRIDGE SW1V 3DW
LONDON, UNITED KINGDOM

COCA COLA COMPANY OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION
We are pleased to inform you of the result of the just concluded annual draws held by The Coca-Cola Company Worldwide Promotions, your email was among the 20 Lucky winners who won a the sum of one Million British Pounds
(1,000,000.00 GBP) in THE COCA-COLA COMPANY PROMOTIONS. However, your email was attached to ticket number (CC/7PWYZ2006) and ballot number (CC/BT:12052006/20)
The online draws was conducted by a random selection of email addresses from an exclusive list of 29,031 E-mail
addresses of individuals and coorporate bodies world wide This promo.is approved by the British Gaming Board and also
Licensed by the International Association of Gaming Regulators (IAGR).
In other to claim your prize winnings which is presently deposited with CLYDESDALE BANK PLC here in the United
kingdom, You will be required to fill out the Claims Verification form below and send it to the Fiduciary Agent Of THE COCA COLA COMPANY for verification and processing
1.Name............................
2.Address.........................
3.Age...............................
4.Sex...............................
5.Occupation....................
6.Country Of Resident.......
7.Nationality......................
8.Tel/Fax...........................
Mr. Charles Destiny
(Processing Manager)
Tel +447011140293
Email: agentdept_dcharles54@yahoo.co.uk
COCA-COLA COMPANY UNITED KINGDOM
Please you are adviced to complete the form and send it immediately to ourFudiciary Agent via email for verification and remittance of your winnings. Congratulations
Sir Wilford Adams
ADMINISTRATIVE HEAD"
br>Not - just another useless scam.
Who in the h... do they think they fool??

Why don't we get this by snail mail in a cover with nice faked stamps on? (Or better - missent to Mongolia in a censored elephant mail cover damaged by seewater and with burn marks on the correct side)! :O)

K.E

I'm a silly little man - whoopee!!

Posted by claghorn1p ( 409

)

on Jan-30-07 at 06:24:42 PST

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Posted by jim_lawler ( 1207

)

on Jan-30-07 at 03:20:05 PST

Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all

dragonstamps
Most of my posts cost less than the $5.00 you suggest, but your suggestion would eliminate most all of the stampless Roman Numeral “X”s. There’s enough towns that used them for multiple posts. There are cancels that use the “X” to identify the machine or handstamp. There’s that town from Ohio, plus the “X” manuscript cancels often made with a permanent marker, US #2 and the CIPEX sheet reprint, and I’m sure that many others here will be able to come up with some “X” postings. Knowing “X” would not be easy I’ve done a bit of looking ahead, and I’ve already got a dozen scans.
I thought the “Q” was going to be a big challenge, but then realized that with Queens ruling in a couple of countries it would not be near the problem. “X” may be the difficult letter, but someone with a creative mind like yours should be able to come up with a number of entries. (Hopefully we can avoid the “X”-rated illustrations.)

In keeping with the "V" theme here’s another classic era precancel from Valparaiso, Indiana click here.

Jim L.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Jan-30-07 at 02:41:13 PST

dragon displaying our favorites is what the A-Z is all about, just items from our collections, not necessarily rare, or expensive, just things we love, starting with the letter....A-B-C it has been great fun and I have a few ideas for X already... Many of our posters A-Z items have had a value below $5.
what we do after Z is our next challenge....perhaps numbers 1 to 100... maybe!
Linda

Posted by vinnysf ( 289

) on Jan-30-07 at 00:35:46 PST

"V" is for "Vinnysf"

Posted by dragonstamps ( 443

) on Jan-30-07 at 00:11:03 PST

In other words, it would be *your* favorite item, perhaps not the most expensive?

Posted by dragonstamps ( 443

) on Jan-30-07 at 00:06:18 PST

I've got an idea what to display for X if it hasn't been decided... I would limit the X category to anything philatelic, but costing under $5 American, or close to it.
No wars over currency please...
Anything and everything philatelic allowed, and it would give more people a chance to display their favorite stamp, cover, item. It might add something to the X category.

Posted by bjornmu ( 866

) on Jan-29-07 at 23:44:37 PST

Linda, thanks for the alert. My collection doesn't "officially" include misspelling but I have included some, nonetheless. May consider this one.

Posted by dbenson ( 7788

)

on Jan-29-07 at 22:02:05 PST

V is for Vavau, an island in the north of the Tongan group. In the mid 19th. Century the main industry was run by German Copra plantations and most of the non native population was German. It was even proposed that Germany annex itr for a colony but British gunboat diplomacy put an end to that idea.

http://www.mapsouthpacific.com/tonga/vavau-map.html

1887 cover to the Deutsche Handels & Plantagen Gesellschaft du Sudsee Inseln which was usually called the " Long Handled Company " for obvious reasons.

Vavau was issued with a numeral 3 duplex in late 1886 which was recalled in late 1887 and as far as I know this is the only cover known with the numeral 3 cancel and was replaced with a cancel inscribed Neiafu, Vavau.

Even though it is noted by the sender to be sent via San Francisco across US to NY thence to Europe it presumably went via Apia and westarrds via the Suez Canal. if it had gone the other way it would have needed a US stamp to cover the US portion as Tonga was not a member of the UPU and there was no agreement to accept Tongan stamps at that time. There are no backstamps except the German receipt, if it had gone via US it would havce received at least San Francisco & NY markings.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r256/deebee444/Vavau.jpg

The next cover is 1895 after a postal treaty had been signed with the US and went to Germany via Apia, Samoa and received the emergency Apia cancel after the PO fire. Only 23 covers have been recorded with that marking on Tongan transit mail.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r256/deebee444/vavau2.jpg

David B.
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r256/deebee444/vavau2.jpg

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-29-07 at 21:53:33 PST

Ant-Ra… Very qul, as usul…

Jim

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-29-07 at 21:48:44 PST

Matt in AZ… Many of the cancels that were unidentified in Hanmer have now been IDed, as indicated in the Machine Cancel Society’s 2005 Primer. For example, under Hanmer’s Unknown category, #4 is indeed Pearson Hill; #5 is Anthony C. Pacquet, a unique copy; #6 is Pearson Hill again; #7 is John Sigwalt, possibly unique; #12 is typographed by New Windsor, MD Postmaster Dielman; #13 and #14 are very early Universals, of all things!

Jim

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Jan-29-07 at 21:39:33 PST

saphilatelics Relax. We all seem to have too much fun when one of the scuzzy forgers appears to defend their own laughable creations.

Besides, have you read the OTHER posts? A vast knowledge for all to gleen, concerning a range of things from BC Commonwealth flyspecking, to obscure US machine cancels!

This place remains a pit of knowledge! Its wonderful, ignore it at your own peril. :o)

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Jan-29-07 at 21:35:44 PST

1
2
3
1

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Jan-29-07 at 21:34:07 PST

V is for Venezia aka Venice
1
2 3 4

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Jan-29-07 at 21:09:50 PST

V is for Vertical Duplex Putney (SW London) was allocated vertical duplex 32 in oval of bars, the format being 2 bars at top and bottom, 4 each side, in use from 1879-1893. This 1881 cover to Berlin shows 2 strikes of the Vertical Duplex datestamp.

There also exists a Single Vertical Oval. similar format of 2 bars at top and bottom and 4 each side, but without the Circular Date & Place stamp. This had very limited use (or survival) as it was intended to only cancel parcels and circulars. Recorded in use during 1879 and 1883 only. This 1879 Circular (dated inside) addressed to Vintners Hall, is an acknowledgement of receipt of Circular and Copy of the Bye-Law of 12th March, and franked with a ½d Queen Victoria, printed matter rate.

Linda

Posted by dbenson ( 7788

)

on Jan-29-07 at 21:05:12 PST

I think we can close the subject about the Venezuelan Postal Fiscals,

http://www.sandafayre.com/atlas/venez.htm

Stamps inscribed ESCUELAS and INSTRUCCION were revenue stamps showing payment of a tax to finance state primary schools. They were also valid for postage until 1911 and were so used, more especially during the chaos of March 1871-August 1873 and in 1879-80.

next subject,

David B.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Jan-29-07 at 20:26:11 PST

POSTMARK Error alert (180079122845) but it is a misspelling on a meter, not cds.

Posted by wrd3 ( 99

) on Jan-29-07 at 19:49:02 PST

lluehhhb thank you for posting those pages from the Y&T catalog! I've downloaded for my reference.

Bill D.

Posted by saphilatelics ( 399

)

on Jan-29-07 at 19:23:30 PST

This board is going to hell in a handbasket. Reading over the last 2 days worth of posts, I find myself skipping over 90% of entries. What's the point anymore really? I am with infla-alec, it will likely be a while before I check back in.

Posted by keleofa ( 3352

)

on Jan-29-07 at 19:16:57 PST

Jim,

Very nice cancels. I thought the Pseudo was a Perfection but the dial is wrong. Wonder how many machines were tested with actual mail that today has the postal historians baffled?

Matt in Arizona

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1207

)

on Jan-29-07 at 19:15:53 PST

Iomoon
Thanks much!
I'm at the 4786 address with zip code 46173.
Jim L.

Posted by wrd3 ( 99

) on Jan-29-07 at 19:11:43 PST

rolyrj I do not believe the "U" winner was announced. In fact, the past 2 letters haven't had winners announced by the winners of the previous letters. FYI, here are the T entries (with winner declared by infla-alec after the first three "S" winners didn't announce a winner of T), and the U entries, for which there hasn't been a winner announced.

Bill D.

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-29-07 at 18:06:02 PST

NOIP… Some new acquisitions that came in today—at top left a scarce early Barry wavy-line cancel from Oswego NY, below it a scarce so-called “pseudo-machine” cancel from Wellsville NY, and at right a pre-1870 NYFM cancel, #S-E 6x-8.

The Barry and pseudo-machine cancels are on full covers, I just cropped them to save space.

Jim

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-29-07 at 17:55:36 PST

Anyone know who won the letter "U" from last week, or have I missed it?
Cheers
Roly

Posted by paperhistory ( 1970

)

on Jan-29-07 at 17:54:49 PST

Jim L: covers received, thanks! The signatures are very interesting (even include the rural carriers!)

jonestamps: I'm no expert, but many of those items are "fantasy" locals that are fabrications (i.e., made for the collector market). The one that is probably genuine is at the upper left; it was remaindered and is an inexpensive mint stamp. The Hussey stamp at upper right may also be OK but I don't know Hussey well.

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-29-07 at 17:25:52 PST

Jim Lawler

I've lost track, which is your current address, the 1044 or the 4786?
Stained glass envelope will be on its way.

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1207

)

on Jan-29-07 at 17:15:28 PST

Jim
You should have gotten a picture with the cover one fire. :8^ )

In keeping with the "V" theme here’s a classic era Valparaiso precancel. click here .

Jim L.

Posted by jonestamps ( 0 ) on Jan-29-07 at 16:50:45 PST

Any US Local experts out there?

I'm trying to find out if any of these are real or fake.

Any opinion appreciated!

thanks

Jones.

Posted by dbenson ( 7783

)

on Jan-29-07 at 16:41:11 PST

IO, if you paid for it, you got burnt,

David B.

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-29-07 at 16:37:41 PST

Shucks Roly,

I was convinced it was real.
I have another one which states "Return to Australia", addressee unknown.
I guess the postal employee misread the senders' address as Sydney OZ.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Jan-29-07 at 16:37:08 PST

roly you missed the point.. Jim has the rare INVERTED BURN MARKS cover!

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-29-07 at 16:26:11 PST

....~~they~~ that....

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-29-07 at 16:23:48 PST

IO obvious fake I am sorry Jim.... Burn marks on the wrong side of the envelope is the give away. They should be burnt only on the left hand side unless they that cover was on its way rm the Cooks to NZ.
Cheers
Roly

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-29-07 at 16:21:00 PST

stamps12345 Paul, check your email please :)

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-29-07 at 16:20:10 PST

D2

I'll pass, I already have one of those.

Posted by dbenson ( 7783

)

on Jan-29-07 at 16:08:47 PST

OK, Paul ignore Gibbons comments which are 100% correct,

David B.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 222

) on Jan-29-07 at 16:01:49 PST

DAVID B. ---I wrote that information 25 to 35 years ago onto my album page were it came from ,i didn't put a source on the page ,maybe from a news article or a speciality journal ,or a stamp exhibit I don't remember ,i hope i didn't take it out of someoneselse collection notes.But until a clear answer is offered I'll stay with what i wrote .

Posted by dbenson ( 7783

)

on Jan-29-07 at 15:46:55 PST

Paul, please read what Gibbons state, it is not what I claim, it is a fact, they were School Tax fiscals authorised for postal use, it has nothing to do with joint rule,

David B.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 222

) on Jan-29-07 at 15:41:45 PST

DAVID ----Were just going to beating each other around between the words postal-fiscal and provisionals.Why don't we wait until someone has a report or study on those issues .That way were not pulling others into a "war".

As i said earlier is the translation of INSTRUCCION is that a school tax as you claim or is it joint rules as i claim ....paul

Posted by dbenson ( 7783

)

on Jan-29-07 at 15:37:26 PST

IO,

what, no MISSENT to Hekla,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7783

)

on Jan-29-07 at 15:35:49 PST

Io, Johnno also had his facts wrong with his ravings about Paypal. It is not Paypal that is refusing to operate in some countries, it is the exact opposite, it is some countries refusing Paypal to operate in case in contravenes their banking & taxation systems.

David B.

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-29-07 at 15:35:22 PST

NOIP… Wow! All the fireworks on the board today, and Paul wasn’t involved, only tangentially.

I always sleep through the best things…

Jim

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-29-07 at 15:31:55 PST

Paul

I hope you have a separate page for Hekla Island. :-Þ

V is for Vesuvius.

Posted by dbenson ( 7783

)

on Jan-29-07 at 15:28:43 PST

Paul, as I suggested, get a copy of Gibbons Part 20,

here are their comments,

" Escuelas & Instruccion, stamps with these inscriptions are revenue stamps intended for collecting a tax to defray the cost of state primary schools. Until 1911 they were also valid for postal use in the absence of ordinary stamps, which often happened in the more remote Post Offices, moreover from March 1871 to August 1873 there were no postage stamps available as an aftermath of the chaotic civil war conditions during 1863-1870. Again in 1879 & 1880 there was a general shortage of postage stamps.

The prices in the used columns of the 1871-1878 are for pen cancelled copies as few post offices had cancelling machines at that time and stamps with postal cancels are worth very much more. From 1879 postal cancellations were in greater use and our priced are for postally used copies ".

As I said on about 3 occasions yesterday the later issues of the 1890's1900 period which were the ones that were shown by Mitch are properly classified as postal fiscals if they are mint or postally used but if they are pen canclelled they should be classified as fiscal use.

David B.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 222

) on Jan-29-07 at 15:20:08 PST

MITCH Here are my VENEZUELA INSTRUCCION'S issues From my collection ....paul

Posted by stamps12345 ( 222

) on Jan-29-07 at 14:55:33 PST

LLUEHHHB----Thanks for info . Yvert et Tellier doesn't clearify the discussion .

Posted by lluehhhb ( 235

) on Jan-29-07 at 14:43:58 PST

More on Venezuela,

This is what Yvert et Tellier has to say about Venezuela postal fiscals:
Page 1 and Page 2.

You can see there the "instruccion" series. Prices are in french francs.
Sorry about the quality of the image, but this is a scan of a photocopy of an old catalogue (1997 or 1998 I think).

Posted by stamps12345 ( 222

) on Jan-29-07 at 14:38:30 PST

NEW COUNTRY For those who are interested ,there is a new country being added to my world wide collection .

The new country is CABINDA it is or was part on Angola ,many of you know it as Portuguese Congo .The stamps are overprinted stamps of Angola .

Just for the sake of bragging ,i have more stamp issueing countries in my collection than any stamp collector in history ,odd but its true maybe that will earn me a gold medal or maybe a cup of coffee from someone .

Posted by stamps12345 ( 222

) on Jan-29-07 at 14:26:11 PST

DJS Good luck on your exam and its always nice to spent a afternoon working on stamps ,good for you .

KCHRIST good to see you posting again,don't stay away so long . Hope to see you in St. Louis at the stamp show next month .As always lets get something to eat together.

MITCH----sure i can show that set of Venezuela, was out the door early due to a job at Best Buy parking lot ,a sewer collapsed and spent the day repairing it and cleaning out the bottom of stone,gravel and muck.No fun in knee deep water shoveling cold muck while it was snowing in a small confined space ,my employee is to big in size and not right to ask him to get cold, soaked and dirty.While i was making 10 times what he was getting .But done and finish .

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-29-07 at 14:25:33 PST

Brian

It would seem that if you do not want to bid on the same item as your good friends, as was related by sayasan recently, you will have to be able to memorize their feedback in order to make use of the view option.

jordan_white

read the red writing at the top of the page

Posted by dbenson ( 7783

)

on Jan-29-07 at 14:25:00 PST

lluehhb,

I agree, thanks for checking the lists,

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/co-bolmo.html

David B.

Posted by rclwa ( 949

) on Jan-29-07 at 14:23:33 PST

Brian -- I noticed that type of bidder history the other day while looking at a car auction that was in 5 figures. I hoped maybe it was only for cars. Is all of eBay going to this system? Most lots still seem to be the old way--what determines which ones use this?

I finally received an invoice from the guy with the mystery address. It was to a different city! I still say, if you don't use PayPal, put the full remit address in the proper spot when posting a lot, otherwise you will be getting payments delayed as they are returned to sender for deficient addresses.

Bob in WA

Posted by lluehhhb ( 235

) on Jan-29-07 at 14:20:29 PST

Bolivar Stamp
From the list linked by David, it seem that the cancel is from MOMPOS

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Jan-29-07 at 13:52:53 PST

That reminds me, here is another one that is at INSANE levels. Howerever the thing here isn't the bidding that boggles me (3X cat and utterly stupid), its the bid history!

Looks like EBay did away with private auctions so they could impliment the same stupidity themselves! Check out the bid history and the official explanationn found there. One more DUMB EBay idea designed to aid the nefarious in fleecing the retarded.

Sigh. :o(

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-29-07 at 13:50:46 PST

No internet for the last five and a half hours.
Road grader broke the major fiber-optic cable serving west Texas and then reburied it just to help out the AT&T guys.

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Jan-29-07 at 13:44:07 PST

oggilby It boggles the mind! Stuff I give away to kids because of its quality issues, is going for top $$. I have no clue why there is a sudden influx of goofy bidders. EBay magic I guess.

Here's one I was watching with some pretty serious quality issues. I was going to chuck $50 or so at it anyway, as it languished around $3 until the final few hours. Alas, other bidders woke up first. :o(

Sort of refreshing to see one the seller ID's as a forgery.....but its not! For some strange reason it usually happens the other way around..... ;oP

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Jan-29-07 at 13:44:00 PST

Posted by infla-alec ( 505

)

on Jan-29-07 at 13:31:00 PST

Saket You need to show your collection as a link for anyone to really give an opinion on as to how your exhibit appears.

Posted by oggilby ( 1178

)

on Jan-29-07 at 13:10:59 PST

Greetings from a still damn cold (26 F), windy, Central Maryland (hope this weather update doesn'toffend anyone)!

Hey briguy1!--there are some pretty chewed up, used CSA's going for some nasty prices today. Is this typical of these CSA items? They don't have very clear postmarks either. I'm baffled!

Posted by rclwa ( 949

) on Jan-29-07 at 13:10:29 PST

pet peeve dept -- When I win a lot from a seller who does not use PayPal, and have to send a check, I wish it wasn't like pulling teeth to get a remit address. Back when I did a bit of selling about 5 years ago, there was a place to put that address when listing the lot. Seems to me it should be required for any non-PayPal listed lots. The ''you won'' announcement from eBay says ''seller information'' yet only gives a town and seller name. but no address! Ditto the separately requested contact information. So I have to email the seller to ask for his remit address! Or is it hiding somewhere I missed? I spent a lot of time looking, no luck. eBay is so good at fixing things that AREN'T broken, I wish they could pay attention to things like this that could actually be improved!

Bob in WA

Posted by dbenson ( 7783

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:59:34 PST

kchrist,

use this as a start,

http://www.maplandia.com/colombia/bolivar/

it has a list of districts, you will have to look at each district to get the town names and then use some imagination to ID the actual name written on the stamp,

David B.

Posted by dbenson ( 7783

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:54:22 PST

kchrist, can't help you with the town name, they were all cancelled in mss. by the postmasters who often used abbreviations, possibly 22028 might help if he has a good map of Bolivar,

David B.

Posted by saketb ( 10

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:50:36 PST

Hey guys,
Remember this is Saket Bajaj from India. I had asked a few tips on a exhibit on Flowers which I am putting up in a Distrist Level Compitition.

The below is the plan of the exhibit... Can anybody tell me whether its okay or.....? This is 3 frames exhibit.

The Plan

Content Pages

Title, Introduction and Plan 1 – 2

1. The Basics 3 – 4

2. History of Flowers 5

3. Uses by Humans 6 – 20

4. Botanical Names 21

5. Facts and Figures – Flowers 22 – 31

6. Classification of flowers – Family Wise 32 – 47

7. Conclusion 48

if anyone will say put up a link for the complete exhibit pages I shall do the same.

Any sugessstions welcome.

Thanks,

Posted by kchrist499 ( 1092

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:49:13 PST

David B.Thanks, the cancel is what interests me; I know it is a district or something like that, but I can't make it out. Its clear enough, but I know bupkus about these.

Ken C.

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1207

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:46:49 PST

Did I miss who won the “U” week postings?

In keeping with the "V" theme here’s a bi-directional block of 20 from the 193os Parks series with the plate number precanceled in Valparaiso, Indiana 704.

Jim L.

Posted by dbenson ( 7783

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:46:31 PST

Knuden, does the letter inside have a town dateline the same name as the cancel although of course it may be different spelling.

David B.

Posted by kchrist499 ( 1092

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:46:18 PST

Here are two links to the Venezuelans: one and two

Posted by dbenson ( 7783

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:43:03 PST

kchrist,

nice stamp, 1872 20c. Green, they are much scarcer than the catalogue value suggests,

David B.

Posted by kchrist499 ( 1092

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:40:13 PST

Antonius-ra

I have a group of early Venezuelan stamps I was planning to auction; you might find something of interest, although after browsing your collection, it looks like you have everything I do (and then some!)

I'll post a link to the board after I've loaded them.

Ken C

Posted by kchrist499 ( 1092

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:34:56 PST

Greetings, all.

I could use some help identifying the cancel on thisBolivar stamp from Colombia.

Thanks in advance.

Ken C.

Posted by greenwave4u ( 71

) on Jan-29-07 at 12:34:20 PST

V What better for V than a virtual stamp for a virtual stamp board where reality is often far away:-) Apologies in advance if there are any royalists watching or you have seen this one before, its been around for about 2 years. I like the subtle change from 1st class to 2nd class.

cheers

Peter

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:31:51 PST

Bill I thought that might be taken the wrong way.
I just meant if anyone else had a bunch of them they would probably not be scarce. I was also wondering what other ones exsist that I don't have (you have several). I asked someone else to show theirs but I guess it was to much trouble.

Posted by wrd3 ( 99

) on Jan-29-07 at 12:21:09 PST

infla-alec congratulations on winning the cover you showed earlier! I don't have any trouble hiding / finding the right time to tell my wife about philatelic purchases .... since she manages our finances I know she will find out about all purchases within a month. So I might as well be open up front.

Bill D.

Posted by malolo ( 835

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:20:28 PST

Linda -
I've sialed a lot and read many stories of how to maintain the cruising lifestyle. Tin Can mail is another. One puts a letter in a tin can and drags it behind the sailboat for 100 nautical miles (to qualify) then rretrieves the can, and exchanges the enclosed letters. This can sometimes lead to a "Damaged by Seawater" informational stamp, or "Stamp Missing Due To Accidental Submergence in Pacific Ocecan". All well equipped cruisers have an array of instructional markers for the simple reason they never know what will be in demand when they arrive at their next port of call. One marking rarely used these days is "Via Suez" for obviously reasons. Well, maybe not so obvious - they were surplanted by "Rocket Mail" circa 1967, but I've got 4 researchers attempting to identify the cause.

Glad you liked the story.

Roger

Posted by wrd3 ( 99

) on Jan-29-07 at 12:16:50 PST

antonius-ra if there's one thing you can be sure of, if I have stuff in my collection you can be sure it isn't rare or expensive! : - )

prochute not taking sides in this recent exchange, but I haven't a clue what you mean when you said you reported Ed's post to the anti-defamation league. His post "Just as the board is getting interesting with crackpots from the Middle East and Middle America popping up" has nothing that should be construed as defamatory. The reference to the Middle East must be to jonathandean8, who posts that he's in Israel (which is in the Middle East), and the reference to Middle America I assume is to Paul, who is in Chicago in (roughly) Middle America. Nothing defamatory at all there, at least not something theh Anti-defamation league would be interested in.

Posted by infla-alec ( 505

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:16:24 PST

LindaI knew I forgot to tell my wife, (Diane) something important. I think I'll wait until a more opportune moment arrives before I say anything. Do you think, "but darling I saved 66%" or, " I invested in your future" will do me any good ? :-)

What's the best excuse others here have given or heard about with regards to an expensive philatelic purchase ?

Until the board settles down again I'll be off doing something philatelic. It maybe some time before I come back !!

Posted by dbenson ( 7783

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:15:22 PST

Prochute,

I really shouldn't reply but I will,

The reason I said 10th. rate because I was comparing it to you, fit for flushing,

Singapore is well known for being highly organised and the postal system is a good example,

I don't understand why anyone who has passed Philately Kindergarten is even querying my comments on the French Stamps and the Venezuelan Primary School Tax, it looks like your one of them,

David B.

Posted by malolo ( 835

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:04:21 PST

Ed -
I see you are a man of your word.
You wrote - "Nothing right! and that's why I will say no more to you. You are not worthy."

I guess I am worthy. LOL

Not in my bullying mood right now, but you really take the cake for making unseemly direct comments to others.

"What can you say to a fool"
"Silly little man."
"The board attracts all the deadbeats including myself."

I'm still asking for a philatelic post, I don't interpret this as a bullyning tactic, seems you have asked Paul many times to show his collection. I think he is showing items, you aren't! End of converation. End of bullying. Can't wqait for the quiet response. No need to reply here, I can mind read, and guess what you will write within ±4%.

ROGER ( I wrote in caps to prove I'm a bigger bully than you.)

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Jan-29-07 at 12:01:23 PST

now now children.....

where's Anne, she's supposed to keep the boys in line!!

alec congratulations on the international transaction to win your cover. Hope Mrs.alec is impressed too!

Roger.. nice letter,hehehe ~~thanks you really brightened up my morning!!

someone should tell johnnydean its EBAY's site, THEY MAKE THE RULES, if you dont agree, you dont list!

Linda

Posted by antonius-ra ( 615

)

on Jan-29-07 at 11:59:17 PST

Bill D. Thanks for showing those. It helps me in
knowing that they are not scarce. I suppose I will just keep those in the BOB part of my collection.

Soggy I don't think you were around when the forger Addie was posting on the board. I would not doubt that he and J.D. are one and the same. There are to many similarites to ignore. Addie was always getting his due here and promising not to come back, but always did. I believe the reason they do is that their ego cannot help thinking that they can fool us. To do so, would of course impower them.

Posted by ed845 ( 4307

) on Jan-29-07 at 11:57:27 PST

prochute:

What a prune you are, with apologies to all the fruits.

Posted by prochute ( 65

) on Jan-29-07 at 11:55:00 PST

ED. I have just sent your post of Jan-29-07 at 08:18:01 PST to the Anti-Defamation League who will get in touch with Scotland Yard. You have simply gone too far. I wonder when the Bobbies will ring you up.

For the sake of others, I suggest you shut up while the shutting is good.
Phil

Posted by ed845 ( 4307

) on Jan-29-07 at 11:52:23 PST

rioroyal:

No I can't can I?

Posted by ed845 ( 4307

) on Jan-29-07 at 11:51:48 PST

prochute:
Making Racist remarks at Jan-29-07 at 11:44:48 PST does not become you.

I wonder how ebay will view them.

Posted by rioroyal ( 389

) on Jan-29-07 at 11:49:18 PST

ed845-- Just couldn't help yourself, could you? You are beyond stupid and a moron too boot. Why do I say that? Because I can.

Posted by prochute ( 65

) on Jan-29-07 at 11:48:00 PST

Ed. I will be in the UK this spring. I would really love to meat you and rearrange your balloon.

Don't worry. I'll find you. That's a promise.

Posted by ed845 ( 4307

) on Jan-29-07 at 11:47:32 PST

malolo:

Like I have said to you before. I am not intimidated by bullying tactics either from you or anyone else. I, like anyone else can post to this board.

Name calling? I don't see you posting comments to a certain poster when he refers to 'lapdogs'.

When you can show a modicum of fairness on this board I might have something to say to you philaelic or otherwise..

Posted by prochute ( 65

) on Jan-29-07 at 11:44:48 PST

Gotta love some of the blind statments that come from who knows where in the mind!

BENSON"there are some in certain countries (which shall be nameless) who don't realise that Singapore has one of the most reliable Postal services in the world and would be worried to purchase items from there especially if they are of higher value."

what a cryptic bunch of crap solely based on assumption!

"no need for the scan, it is 1849 40c. Vermilion, perfectly genuine but in 10th. rate condition"

Now we have a condition that is 10th. rate. Hey, is that the way you judge, Judge? Whatever happened to unmounted, lightly mounted, superb, very fine, fine, average poor or spacefiller?

"The French stamp is perfectly genuine 100% kosher"

I guess you blessed it. Did you use kosher salt?

Posted by malolo ( 835

)

on Jan-29-07 at 11:34:36 PST

Ed -
Can you please include "no commentary" about deadbeats David S, Paul, Knud-Erik, and other fools who make a habit of discussing stamp collecting on this Chat. It is disturbing you always resort to name calling and have no interest in adapting to the reality that this Board is made up of people with differing points of view and have different cultural backgrounds than Yorkshire. Seem you can't meet the challange of making a philatelic post and until you do I'll ignore your posts and consider they are most likely an insult to someone, anyone!

Roger

Posted by knuden ( 2191

)

on Jan-29-07 at 11:26:58 PST

infla-alec - Congratulation with this fantastic cover. I really understand why you are so happy about it. :O) I guess you feel the same, as I did when I found and bought the item, I mentioned on Jan-28-07 at 13:44:24 PST. :O)

K.E

Posted by ed845 ( 4307

) on Jan-29-07 at 11:23:59 PST

malolo:

Correct. You didn't have to wait long.

What can you say to a fool. Nothing right! and that's why I will say no more to you. You are not worthy.

Posted by ed845 ( 4307

) on Jan-29-07 at 11:21:53 PST

duncan_doenitz

Yes you are correct. The board attracts all the deadbeats including myself. Maybe that's why you have reappeared here.

Posted by ed845 ( 4307

) on Jan-29-07 at 11:19:48 PST

knuden:
At least I don't go whinging when no one answers my post. If you don't like what you read then don't read it.

Silly little man.

Posted by infla-alec ( 505

)

on Jan-29-07 at 11:19:01 PST

Knuden Re the Austrian cancel,I nearly missed it having to read through so many messages posted in the last 12 hours or so. Anyway to me it looks like a Lombardy Venetia type of cancel.I'm not saying it is one as I don't know much about Austria or Lombardy.I also can't read the address.But maybe that gives you a starting point.

The board itself may have various international disputes but I'm glad to say that a longed for item I showed last week is now finally mine. I won at less than 1/3 my maximum bid. To show what a small world the Philatelic one actually is, I'm in the UK, a friend in Austria gave me the tip off as to where it was being offered, the cover is German, the auction was in Denmark and payment was made on my behalf by a friend in Sweden.
Now if only the rest of the board could show some compatability.Wishful thinking I know but one can dream.

Posted by knuden ( 2191

)

on Jan-29-07 at 11:16:02 PST

I finely made it:

"Congratulation !
Dear eBay Member ,
Due to your continued activity on eBay we are delighted to invite you to join or Titanium PowerSeller Program.
This icon next to a member`s user ID means that the seller meets the criteria for ing PowerSeller. Next rank in our PowerSeller program is Titanium PowerSeller and after your user ID will appear this icon
With this mark, you can be confident that you are transacting with an experienced eBay user who has proven that they`re committed to customer satisfaction.
Join this group is a simple two- step process.
All you need to do is to click here:
Again, congratulations and best wishes for your continued success!
Regards,
eBay PowerSeller Team
Copyright © 1995-2007 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners.
eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc."

Pfew - just another scam. :O)

K.E

Posted by malolo ( 835

)

on Jan-29-07 at 10:55:28 PST

BTW - If Paul and David quit posting Ed will have nothing to rebut.

Posted by malolo ( 835

)

on Jan-29-07 at 10:52:36 PST

Knud-Erik -
I don't belive Ed has a collection or anything to show the Board. I don't recall a single instance where he has linked to something on topic here, or made a philatelic reference to a discussion. On looking at his auctions one would think he take some of the advice given to David S concerning titles and descriptions, but maybe he isn't interested in higher realizations. Whoa, I can't wait for the reply to this post!

Roger

Posted by duncan_doenitz ( 108

) on Jan-29-07 at 10:37:36 PST

"Just goes to show who this board attracts."

Hi ed845. Grab a chair.

I love the smell of irony in the morning.

-Dunc

Posted by knuden ( 2191

)

on Jan-29-07 at 10:06:18 PST

Sorry - possite=positive

K.E

Posted by knuden ( 2191

)

on Jan-29-07 at 10:00:05 PST

ed845 - If you don't have anything possite to say, will you please refrain in silence. I'm sure there is many (or even more) who are utterly tired of your negative rants on this and that on the board.
What about, for a change, to talk about stamps or philately in general. You could for a start tell us what you collect and show some interesting items from your collections. :O)

K.E

Posted by philaweb ( 191

)

on Jan-29-07 at 09:53:59 PST

"zZzZzZzZzZ..."

Posted by malolo ( 835

)

on Jan-29-07 at 09:39:49 PST

jonathon '

Explanation here for burnt left side. The burner was left handed. He-she held envelope in right hand and held Bic lighter in left hand. Was careful not to deface the damaged by sea water instructional marking. If you had ever been to sea in a small sailing boat in the mid-Pacific, you would know that writing long letters and then burning them slightly is a scource of income enabling the sailor to continue to other Icelands. All the covers burned on one single trip can be sold to the grocer on the small island of Rapa Nui. He in turn gives the sailor food (Kosher of course) in exchange for the burned covers. These are then compiled and missent to Israel, instead of Italy, which is just across the border from Geneva where a research group at CERN is studying and classifying the effects of salt water on burned cellulose. They have published the results in a scientific journal that concludes, the paper tasted better when dowsed with salt water. Fresh water came in way behind Scotch or red wine. This information is provided to you in the interest of philatelic research saving time for your listers who seem to be very rushed creating all the links within th eextensive descriptions you provide. It should be noted the cost of research is included within your start prices which is admirable as many sellers would have included the research fees in their shipping and handling. I think you sshould make a concious effort to contact your employees and get them all on the same page. Use the same email address you posted here: Jonathandean8@gmail.com

You should direct them to look at the Official eBay Yuppy Page and please tell them they can ask questions in any language. We can "google translate". I'm afraid I "google translated" your posts and they still don't make sense. Please try you native indigenous language.

Roger

Posted by soggy333 ( 54

) on Jan-29-07 at 08:32:10 PST

What is that jonathan guy carrying on about and why does he keep saying he won't come back? I wonder if he is a good source for my collection. I am looking for burnt covers carried on the African Queen?

Posted by wrd3 ( 99

) on Jan-29-07 at 08:31:56 PST

Stamp Issuing Entities last week NPR had an article about Kiribati. There are many stamp issuing entities for which I do not know how to pronounce the name ..... I always thought I knew how Kiribati should be pronounced. I was surprised to find it is pronounced as if it were spelled Kiribas. Not earth shattering, but I found it interesting and learned something new.

Super Bowl I'm hoping for a close, well-played game, but I would like to see Manning and the Colts win (more because I'd like Manning to win than because I'd like the Colts to win). (Note to Paul: in case you have trouble differentiating, this is an expression of desire, not a prediction. There have been very, very few predictions as to football outcomes over the past month - I think you are mis-remembering expressions of desire as predictions)

Bill D.

Posted by ed845 ( 4307

) on Jan-29-07 at 08:18:01 PST

Just as the board is getting interesting with crackpots from the Middle East and Middle America popping up, up pops dsj with his daily diary.

Just goes to show who this board attracts.

Posted by djs127 ( 566

)

on Jan-29-07 at 07:12:01 PST

Spent a nice Sunday afternoon taking stamps I needed from a US revenue collection I won last week on Ebay. Although I needed a bunch there are still over $70 Catalog value left so I put the rest up on Ebay last night. Have to go study for a mid-term for the project management course I am taking in the city.
Wish me luck!
David Snyder

Posted by due2cents ( 23

) on Jan-29-07 at 07:05:55 PST

D.F.T.T.

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-29-07 at 06:47:26 PST

While I'm correcting geography, Rarotonga is one of the Cook Islands, Avarua is the capital.

Posted by thebriguy1 ( 64

) on Jan-29-07 at 06:22:01 PST

Io
Had to read it four times, eh?
I gave up after I found out I have to be a dealer in
silver & gold medals to Hebrew tourists.
What the heck do you know about volcanos anyway?
If you were truely a yuppified expert, you'd have the ability,
to deliver a load of poorly written utter crap like Johnathan the forger.

Posted by jaywild ( 912

)

on Jan-29-07 at 06:12:13 PST

jonathan dean (or whatever your name really is)… I’m guessing it is not possible for you to formulate a post that anyone can make sense of. You tend to ramble, and throw in words and phrases willy-nilly into your sentences, so that what you write is entirely incomprehensible. True, the position you have staked out is damn near impossible to defend, but rather than subject the board to more of your opaque claptrap, perhaps you can take your own advice and refrain from any more postings here.

Just a suggestion…

Jim

Posted by iomoon ( 1040

)

on Jan-29-07 at 06:03:00 PST

Good day all from west Texas.

JD I had to reread your post devoted to Hekla four times to appreciate its stupidity.

Island is the Icelandic spelling of Iceland.
It does not mean island.
Hekla is a large volcano about 20 miles from the coast which did indeed erupt in 1947 and had a whole series of stamps devoted to the eruption in 1948.

Posted by jonathandean8 ( 567

) on Jan-29-07 at 05:47:17 PST

cwhutch

I really must get out of this site -it is no benefic to Me

My email is Jonathan dean8@gmail.

If you would like to elaborate do so and send me a copy to my email.Otherwise I want hear about. WlHen I exit that it and it is going to happen right now.

Posted by jonathandean8 ( 567

) on Jan-29-07 at 05:42:03 PST

dbenson ( 7779 ) on Jan-27-07 at 17:04:05 PST Listings
Here is how to ruin a cover by applying a fake handstamp,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=689&item=150074510085

What is the issue with both these covers. We now have the Israeli Surcharged covered by a letter from the 1980's from signed 3 dealers in gold and silver medals and stamps to tourist who were wholesalers but one shared a shop on the Netany a Tourist Square. My Aunt it would appear had the insight as a major client of their to seek there opinion and got it. It still had not been catalogued so what use is a letter in hebrew signed by 3 dealers in stamps and silver and gold medallions who are dead.

Posted by stamps12345 ( 222

) on Jan-29-07 at 05:37:45 PST

BOY OL BOY ----Do we have a few cranky people here last night .......the French stamp is a A-1 type .But to determine if its a reprint is too diffucult the scan is not the way .

ON the subject of the Venezuela lets see what the Spanish catalog has .......we don't need all the side comments from the lapdogs ,but again they need something to bark about .......

Looks like the predictions on the past football games posted here were all wrong especially against the DA BEARS ....laughing about it ......paul

Posted by wrd3 ( 99

) on Jan-29-07 at 05:37:43 PST

antonius-ra I cannot find the information I've gleaned over the years on the non-Scott listed Venezuelan stamps you showed, but from my memory the Instruccion stamps are not high catalog items. Because I lived in Venezuela for 18 months in middle school it is one of my favorite countries to collect. Here is a page with several of the stamps you linked (this is a page of non-Scott listed stuff I've accumulated).

NOIP does anyone have a suggestion for a good catalog for Venezuela? I assume the best would be in Spanish, which is OK since I'm able to muddle through.

jonathandean8 I don't have a dog in this fight, but for your consideration I've skipped every one of your long posts after the first few because they are very, very difficult to read. Break them into paragraphs, use fewer words rather than more if you want anyone to get through them and get the point you want to make.

Bill D.

Posted by jonathandean8 ( 567

) on Jan-29-07 at 05:31:00 PST

rolyrj

Sorry I did not finish reading your email. It has a PACKET HAND Stamp on it same as Paquebot -
The French word for packet boat

I don't believe there was a regular direct air service from the Cook Islands in late 1940's early 50's correct me if I am wrong.It has a clear date stamp on a New Zealand stamp and went by boat. Not by air.

Posted by jonathandean8 ( 567

) on Jan-29-07 at 05:23:02 PST

rolyrj

Absoluely and what a trip it must have been.Can you suggest an alternative explaination.Was there a country with a regular airmail service to the UK.There is no idication that the trip was to New Zealand other than it has on it a New Zealamd stamp date stamped Ratotonga the capital of the Cook Isralnds.

Posted by jonathandean8 ( 567

) on Jan-29-07 at 05:18:15 PST

mini*lindy

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/fundraising.html

read and be amazed

I sent there policy statement to the foremost law firm in Israel.What a seller does with the proceeds of his sellers account is entirely his business. If the reciprient was a charity who received the proceeds the benefits directly this clause may apply.But it is typical of eBay policy -neither here nor there. We are full aware of US Charity regulations.Thank you.

Posted by jonathandean8 ( 567

) on Jan-29-07 at 05:10:49 PST

A lot to sink your teeth into have been left for you to sink your teeth into. I don'y have time for the Yuppy Club eually it is a huge time difference when most of its memnbrs log on night after night.Would be curious to get an answer to What A.B. Motherton & Co provided that it received so much correspondence from all parts of the world . Never heard of Helka Island that had its own postage stamps HELKA1947 in small letters ISland in large. Google suggests it was an Icelandic Volcanic Acive Island with one stamp showing an eruption. In 1947 the volcano did errupt.

My email again is Jonathandean8@gmail.com
I well come correspomdene but don't have time for this Ebay Chat Board.Unlikely to look at it again.

Posted by jim_lawler ( 1207

)

on Jan-29-07 at 05:03:51 PST

Greetings
and an Indiana "Good Morning"
to you all

In keeping with the "V" theme here’s a last day cover from Veterans Administration Hospital. click here . What happens here is that they close the fourth class post office inside this facility and the adjacent town, Marion, Indiana, takes over the mail service.

Jim L.

Posted by jonathandean8 ( 567

) on Jan-29-07 at 04:57:31 PST

dbenson

I am sure we have other Cook Island material but as I have said before the 8 listers located in different contries do the listing and I take the hammering from people like you and try and co-ordinate the international operation. We have added 3 researches in Geneva and over there have one of the finest philatelic libraries in the world. This particular cover was unsual in that it had a New Zealand ztamp with a date cancellation in Ratotonga? something like that -the capital of the cook Islands and a Packet MaIL boxed hand stamp and I think an A>B.Brotherton & Co Ltd private RECEIVED hand stamp and was just a cover and burned on the left side. It was one of the first covers offered from Profesor Ethel Drus's collection which also has a large box of burnt covers and cash mail and postcards of every time of cash and disaster.She never married and sent letters with difficulty to every known dealer which she got from the APS and Royal Society and PTA if it existed in the 40 and 50. She bought much of her collection for a couple of pence or what ever the currency was at the time. The Cook Islands were regard while part of the Commonwealth as a New Zealand Dependency and some books still classify it as such. So the New Zealand stamp was not outrageous and it was going be posted from New Zealand. So if the agent had a New Zealand stamp why not use. The fact that it was not surcharged. Well has anyone seen a Cook Island Surcharge Stamp. We have Solomon Island surcharge stamp but don't recall a Cook Island surcharge. I don't think this cover was surcharged but that would have been in New Zealand. Even today if you niggle them enough you will get a variety of New Zealamd surcharges depending what city you post ynderfranked coevers from and a host of different auxiliary nmarkings. Like the US each postmaster seems to have copied a US example and we have at least a dozen or more different figure pointing RTS hand stamp from down in New Zealand and at least 4 different MISSENT Hand stamps.Has anybody got any comments about the new UK MISS SENT TO UK light blue OVAl Hand Stamp.After2 centuries plus and perhaps 250 of there own examples the Lord of the English language have determind that MISSENT is actuallly two words MISS SENT.I don't know if everything has been centralised in the LONDON sorting station which when I last asked was a close second with an estimated 75 million p[ostal articles a day. Flushing maintains that it sorts 12 million. The numbers are betond comprehension. But Israel with a 7 million population of which only 2/5 are adults sorts between 200,000 to 500,000 depending on the time of the month , backlogs due to Jewish Holidays when the sorting station closes. In a letter received from the Public Relations of the Royal Mail, we are told that a number of hand stamps are in use but including Mailbag Missent to UK, an increasing occurance -pure careless - and a small black boxed MISENT TO LONDON REDIRECTED and a place to write to where naturally insuffient. However the best you can hope for in London is the new MISS SENT hand stamp and the worst is having the envelope put in a sealed plastic evelope with an apology on the back. In Some countries they open the sealed envelope and try and deliver the envelope and you then get aixiliary marking, a date receiving stamp if you are lucky. The worst scenario is if really underfrank a whole batch of RTS torn letters they will put blue or red stickers over the address and return them to sender (the sticker says insufficient postage was paid bla bla etc etc). What happens to the balance is a mistrery. On two ocasions they were RTS in an official Royal Mail Envelope. Not sure about the balance, but a doubt if they have the right under the UPU to trash them.

My email is Jonathandean8@gmail. I made time to day to see if any body had comment on the left side only of burnt A.A.Brotherton cover. I told by a researcher in Geneva that the earliest example we have is 1946 and latest 1961 and that there also are examples from the Caribbean, West Indies and British Guiana, Hekla Island 1947 60 AUR where ever that is, New Zealand, overprint cook Isralnds canceled Ratotonga, Fiji, Trinidad and Tobago, Sudan , Mauritius, Mozambique, Saudi Arabia, Reunion with 2 CFA overprinted stamp, Barhraine with a 1 anna block of 6 blue 1D King George Hand stamp, Malta, India, Tahiti, St Vincent, Hong Kong, Liberiaand Grenada . They seem to have has a world monopoly. If I said Llondon firm. They may have had a London office but most are addressed to 40 Dickerson Street , Manchester. Perhaps someone in Manchester cabn go nad see what there is there now. I also said all were burnt on the left side , I have been corrected. If the stamps were on the left and un burnt there are examples of burnt on the right side and in the surplus box of material some unburnt exaples exist. They are however all fronts.

Posted by postalhysteria ( 3342

)

on Jan-29-07 at 04:27:15 PST

jonathandean

You are full of more crap than a Christmas goose.

Ay vey!

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)

on Jan-29-07 at 04:22:17 PST

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Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Jan-29-07 at 04:01:53 PST

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/fundraising.html

read and be amazed!

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Jan-29-07 at 03:36:51 PST

bravo roly!

Posted by dbenson ( 7783

)

on Jan-29-07 at 03:24:34 PST

Dear Mr. Darori,

Funny you should mention Cook Islands & Airmail. I prsume you know that there is a well known philatelist named Joel S. in Tel Aviv who collects Cook Islands & also early airmails. He has entered many international exhibitions and is considered an expert on both subjects. I suggest you contact him for any details you would like as I am sure he could put you on the right track as you appear to be lacking in knowledge.

David B.

Posted by lluehhhb ( 235

) on Jan-29-07 at 03:07:06 PST

Today I'll borrow a specialized Venezuela catalog from our society library. Let's see if it gives more info on the subject.

Posted by rolyrj ( 2 ) on Jan-29-07 at 03:04:55 PST

jonathondean
Do you know how ridiclous you sound to those of us who know the history of our own countries?
A few posts ago you wrote:
"The company insisted that mail be sent by airmail. This in the case of the Cook Islands meant a long boat trip to New Zealand . An example of a burmt Cook Island cover with a New Zealand stamp date cancelled in the capital of the Cook Islands Ratotongo was one of the first she acquired. This cover was also has a PACKET MAIL cancellation. It was carried by an indigenous inhabitant to New Zealand in a reed/wooden boat typical of the Islands with a home made stove for cooking on and keeping warm. ashes from these indigenous boats were largely responsible for fires. The date from the 1950s to the late 60;s.
What a lot of crap !!! Do you know how far it is from the Cook Islands to New Zealand? Are you seriuosly asking me to accept that some local delivered mail from some sort of reed/wood made boat? And this in 1950 -1960's when we had a perfectly good Air service between the two countries?
Come on, you must be joking. Any credibility you may have had has certainly been shot to pieces now.
If you are going to make up stories at least make them plausable.
Cheers

Roly Yuppy from New Zealand

Posted by jonathandean8 ( 567

) on Jan-29-07 at 02:46:14 PST

mini*lindy

I could show you a 100 covers with a dated Official Real and both NOT KNOWN and MISENT to that Town or more contemporary COUNTRY. Some of the Not Knowns are still the French version.What spoild these covers is they are sent to your godforsakken country where any one of 6 different MISSENT TO IRELAND is added.It seems now automatic that the sorter in Ireland assumes with a quick glance at the address (and some the addesses are a large hand stamp) that it was meant for Iceland and sent to and picks up another MISENT TO ICELAND which is similar to one of the Irish Missent stamps. Why do both countries use English when they both have "native " languages. It is obvious French is no longer taught as a second language in school butas an option and English is now the international language of not just the world postal systems but the business world as well I discovered recently on a trip to the Asia Pacific Rim Area. All spoke reasonable english to excellent English. All the countries by the way in the Asia Pacific Rim Area have Engish Missent hand stamps. Thailand and Vietnam included. If they had produced a missent had stamp in there own language and uniques letters, it would be for most of the "Yuppy Club" , gobbbly gook. I am sure that in the "Yuppy Club" there are members whose first language is not English. Why aren't you using you native tongue. There is no prerequisite that all messages must be in English.On the contary Ebay has a number of foreign language sites for people , like myself whose home language is not English. I am giving the Yuppy Club a lot to respond to. You probably will be all asleep when you read and I ceratinly will be.
My email is Jonathandean8@gmail.com

Posted by cwhutch ( 617

)

on Jan-29-07 at 02:32:44 PST

Good morning, Wow great bunch of posts lately.

Jondean8- You sure your not the Rev. from Utah, You write the same style dribble as he did and like most liars you only dig yourself deeper the more you talk.

I can't believe my Saints lost to Chitown. At leat now I can root for Payton and the Colts.

Hutch

Posted by jonathandean8 ( 567

) on Jan-29-07 at 02:24:51 PST

malolo
Your comment about Polish names been so complicated is equally applicable to all Eastern European and ex-Soviet Union States surnames. This one reason why the Interior Ministry in Israel makes it so easy to change your surname.
Some of the 1.3 million Russian immigrants to Israel have real tongue twister surnames and so many letters they don't fit into the allocated space on there ID card if they claim citizenship as "Jews" under the clause in the declaration of Independence "Right of Return". Israel does not have a constitution and many of the clauses and issues in the US Constition have been determined by a very active Supreme Court.Perhaps the central reason why not and attempts have been made through the the 58 years Israel has existed as a State is exactly that no agreement has ever been reached on the touchy issue of "Who is a Jew". Most of the 6 million Jews in the Us -the latest suggest sugest a much higher figure belong to the Conservative Movement stream of Judaism, prayers are also in English and Hebrew, men and women sit next to each other etc which the two tier Rabbinate in Israel does not recognise but to accept their definition would exclude 40% perhaps of the Worldwide Jewish population. Equally, siting security considerations, Israel does not have a Bill of Right but again the Supreme Court has sep in and filled the gap with landmarking decisions that are both left and right in nature.
To get back to the Russian immigrant who finds a couple of letters at the end of his name have been omitte, he soon adopts a Hebrew name normally a hebrew word. Darori, pronounced completely differently in hebrew means freedom,liberation it is also the word for sparrow which some Hebrew poets regard as a symbol of freedom. I think it was Bialik who wrote put a sparrow in a cage it will kill him.
Back to sanayan comment.
I turned 50 a few days ago. In our family even older members that are distant relations are courteously called Aunt and Uncle. Even the few livings friends of my late parents are given that courteous title with no family contentions. Yes I once had many Aunts and Uncles.But time goes by.

Posted by mini*lindy ( 312

)

on Jan-29-07 at 02:20:05 PST

ahhhmmmm.... I think Mitch just won another beer! :o)

Posted by vinnysf ( 289

) on Jan-29-07 at 02:10:41 PST

thanks david B.! so its an A1 -ceres ?

Posted by jonathandean8 ( 567

) on Jan-29-07 at 01:57:48 PST

sayasan
I am pleased that you did some research. The surmane Daroriis relatively common in Israel and when spelt in English it is either spelt DRORI or DARORI.Just as Stefan, per the list of the Interior Ministry and ironically the Rabbinate also has a list as well if you need to prove you are Jewish and when they they transate until recently when the forms we changed and you are asked for the "loazit" (English spelling of your name) they rigidly stuck to the the spelling in there lists. There are dozens of Stephen Darori in Israel with Stephen either in its rigid form being Seven, Stefan, Stevan, Stefani, Stefana you name it.Israel actively encourages immigrants to adopt a Hebrew Surname. In 1948 and probably again again during the 1950's , there is a famous slogan in Hebrew " Soldiers change your name to a Hebrew a hebrew one". All the early leaders and many of the current have Hebrew surnames changed by their fathers aare grandfathers if they born in Israel. Ben Girion, Peres, Rabin,Sharon,Eshkol,Sharett (allex Prime Ministers) changed their surname and often their first name. In fact any body in Israel with surnames thatare Hebrew words or short have changed there surname. Unlike in other contries it is a short form that changes your ID No and no other legal interference is necessary other than the document you get from the Interior Ministry. Your comment about all British Commonwealth documents being housed in the UK is nonsense. Most documents relating to white settlement on these and other European and Brishh colonies and those still in the British Colony have Deeds Offices and Archives. I am told the Deed Offices in the well, who knows how many Provences there now are in South Africa , but lets still go back to 1991 and four each have a Deeds Office and Archive and I am told the Archive in Cape Town goes back to the VOC period and is used extensively for research. I have no idea what the UK holds but the vast majority of documents are wheere hey were issued.Since a lot of irrelevant documents accumulated in these Archives often also holding earlier Deeds . Professor Drus as a post doctoral student was asked by he Foreign Office to reorganise them and winning the Alexander Prize and the need to corespondend with the French European equivalent brought consignments to do the same on the French Islands. In most cases it did not take long on each Island.

But that is in passing. I was curious to know if you yuppies would asked the retorical question why the agents received back the burned envelopes of A.B. Brotherton and kept only the ones that we bought on the left side. I see that this chat bought is a Yuppie Club and the same ebayers with nothing better to do with there evenings use it to pass the time. The answer should be obvious. The company needed another arder is it it was burnt beyond use from the Agent and the Agent only kept those with undamaged stamps.In order to assist the Agent they returned the burnt letter to him and no doubt were not assumed but it equally was suposed to refresh his memory and unse a different indiginous native to transport the order to the nearest regular Airmail surface to the UK. Per the company each order for a comodity was ro be sent seperately for their own administration.

I recently received an email from a very leading member of the Auxilary Postal Society of the US on what he estimates are the number of un catalogued hand stamps. He puts the number of post offices in the US at above 40,000 and suggests that there were once over 80,000. Each mades there own auxiliary hand stamps which changed often over the years especially during the era or iron and even wood handstamps that quickly wore out,even in the last century the RTS figure pointing hand stamp has changed in many post US offices. That with a little extrapolation put uncatalogued US hand stamps atover 500,000 and he admits in the last 4 years the Auxiliary Handstamp Societ now with 150 members haven't even touch the surface of uncatalogued hand stamps. Extrapolate that world wide and you get something like 10 million uncatalogued hand stamps if not 20 million. I also beg to differ on your point about postal authorities not adding MISSENT hand stamps to undelivered or to addresses that did not exist. In most cases today the Frech hand stamp that was readily copied in the 50's and 60's by other contries is not used and in any event has been replaced by a RTS frequently accompanied by a Missent hand stamp.Official Seal too are frequently accompanied by auxiliary hand stamps and since it could not be delivered. I doubt have time to spend leisure evenings chatting and adding yuppie comments. I see that the comment not aimed at me.

But you may given the above want to discuss amonst yourselve given that large volume of handstamps that are not catalogued including that one Missent to Athens, Ga how uncatalogued handstamps should be catalogued.
And the second question is whether a date stamp is sufficient to call a cover philatelic, given that the Official Seal and other auxiliary markings may not be catalogued yet and here I refer to the case of the gentlemen who bought the cover with the uncatalogued Jersey Seal on POSeal.com (there may be other and better web sites) but with a date stamp. The issue of Official Seals which is specially printed tape in most cases, a rarity to day when covers simply are aften put in sealed plastic envelopes with an apology at the back. There is an excellent newletter on Official Seals.Scot Specialized Catalogue of the United States Stamp & Covers. Part of the Annual 7 Volume catalogues lists most if not all and Jim Kotanchick, Post Office Seals of the United States and Possessions published last year covers most US ones up to about a decade ago with an alternative price listing to Scott.He may be surprised to learn that in the last decade which he does not cover different States have different Postal Seals and the USPS a number of different ones.
I am afraid I don't have time to spend my evenings making Yuppy comments. But if anyone wants to contact me with some positive feedback. My email is Jonathandean8@gmail. I normally reply to all email I get but My 8 to 7.30pm job gets preference. I can't really join the Yuppy Club as there is a significant time difference even if I wanted to. Logged on just out of curiousity if the Yuppy Club would ask the rethorical question why only left side fronts were found. An the cat that they were fronts is equallyan indication thatProfessor Drus was not and never ever considered she was a philatist.

Posted by knuden ( 2191

)

on Jan-29-07 at 01:27:19 PST

Any Austrian expert out there?

Does anyone know of precancled Austrian stamps. This cover has aparently a precanceled stamp, as it was sent Jan 28, (1867). It has the original letter inside and here I can see the date and it has a reciever from Vienna Jan. 29 on the back.
Can anyone read the adress, especially the underlined part?
On the back there is a seal - can anyone reconize this?

K.E

Posted by knuden ( 2191

)

on Jan-29-07 at 01:03:52 PST